Gun Madness, Jersey Boys Version

Radley Balko has more on the absurd case of Shaneen Allen, a Pennsylvania mom facing three years in a Jersey jail for bringing her Pennsylvania-legal handgun into the Garden State.

But just to elevate the old blood pressure let's hear from Bryan Miller of Heeding God's Call, who apparently thinks that God wants this 27 year old mother of two in prison:

Recent reporting in the Courier-Post and elsewhere has made much of the plight of a South Philadelphia woman, Shaneen Allen, reportedly charged in New Jersey with transporting and concealing a handgun loaded with armor-piercing bullets — three transgressions of long-standing state law.

Heeding God’s Call, the faith-based and grass-roots movement to prevent gun violence headquartered in Philadelphia and operating in New Jersey and other states, applauds the fact of the coverage, if not all of its tone.

The good news is that, by working to promote attention to this case, pro-gun zealots, such as Allen’s lawyer, have inadvertently done an important public education service, as the case’s notoriety may make it less likely Pennsylvanians holding permits to carry concealed and loaded handguns in public will bring them across Delaware River bridges, thereby making themselves and New Jersey safer from gun violence.

Yeah, it's those rampaging moms I worry about when I hit the mean streets of Jersey. And far be it from me to suggest that this guy has no idea what he is talking about, but... every other report I have seen (e.g., here) describes her bullets as "hollow point". Although I would consider myself a very casual observer of the gun scene, (as family members will attest, and they know who they are), I am highly confident that "armor piercing" is essentially the opposite of "hollow point".

Maybe the next time Bryan hears from God he can clear that up.

Comments

[FTL]

Here's something I read a few years back that may help with understanding the police mindset about robbers. It's possibly NSFW for language and for the fact that it's posted on a gun discussion board:

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1285487_Street_robberies_and_you___The_Basics.html

While the post there is specifically about armed robbery, the size difference between Brown and the clerk apparent in the surveillance video makes me wonder how much of a difference there really is between armed robbery and this particular strong-arm robbery.

[centralcal]

OL: I just asked Martha McCallum on Twitter about her "murder" statement. Had there been a ruling of "murder?" Will see if she replies.

[DebinNC]

So the video show MB entering/leaving the scene of the robbery with 2 compadres, one presumably Dorian Johnson. IBT quoted Johnson extensively yesterday:
..............................................
"It was around 1:40, two o'clock [no, it wasn't]. We were walking down the street, empty street. We were just walking down, minding our business. We're both headed home, and the officer's approaching us, and as he pulled up on the side of us, he didn't say 'freeze,' 'halt,' or nothing like we were committing a crime. He said, 'Get the f--- on the sidewalk!' I told the officer we were not but a minute away from the destination,” Johnson said.

Johnson said the officer then opened his car door, grabbed Brown’s neck and attempted to pull him through the window of the police car. He added that Brown “never once attempted to grab for the officer's weapon."

"The second time he says, 'I'll shoot,' a second later the gun went off and he let go. That's how we were able to run at the same time," Johnson said. He said he ran behind a car while the officer fired at them, shooting Brown in the back [oops].

Johnson continued, "[Brown’s] hands immediately went into the air and he turned around to the officer. My friend started to tell the officer that he was unarmed and that he could stop shooting. Before he could get his second sentence out, the officer fired several more shots into his head and chest area. He fell dramatically into the fatal position. I did not hear once he yell 'freeze,' 'stop' or 'halt.' It was just horrible to watch."
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Sorry for the long quotes, but isn't Johnson's manner of speaking/word choice very unexpected?

[Ignatz]

--Ig, my understanding was hollow points for urban environments to reduce ricochets. Or do FMJ with fragmenting bullets do that?--

Henry,
Given the proper angle any bullet will ricochet, even off of water.
Ricochets are somewhat reduced with hollow points but the main purpose is what FTL stated in that they expend their energy in the target
more so than FMJ.

For that reason they are banned by the Hague convention for use in warfare which we never signed but do abide by. The use of expanding bullets is authorized for anti terrorist shooting.

Handgun bullets travel at such reduced speeds and are so blunt compared to center fire rifles the chances of them passing through a wall or two and doing much harm is pretty low, even for FMJ. It can and does happen but how many times have we read of someone getting a 45 or 38 slug through a wall or two? Usually it's some drive by with a rifle out the window of a car or through a window of a home.

Fragmentation type rounds like the Glasers he linked are quite effective and I do use them in my 9MMKurtz but they're pretty darned expensive. You don't practice with em. They have a thin copper full metal jacket with buckshot type pellets in them to deliver maximum knockdown but little penetration. If you shoot somebody with one they may be getting back up after the initial shock.

[Old Lurker]

Good for you, CC.

It makes me livid and gives blond wimmin a bad name the world over.

But where was the Fox producer and the reporter she was featuring not to realize how bad that was?

Who needs Shep we they have good backup like this?

Grrr.

[Appalled]

A good Ukraine story here:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28810622

Putin seems to be trying to invade without having to invade, and it keeps not working for him. Question is whether he will just do the full villain act, and overrun Ukraine, or keep losing at the game he is playing,.

[Ignatz]

--but isn't Johnson's manner of speaking/word choice very unexpected--

Not at all. Some of the most polite, respectful and grammatically correct speech I've ever heard was from punk crooks addressing the court like Little Lord Fauntleroy.

[Old Lurker]

Wiki "Murder is the unlawful killing, with malice aforethought, of another human, and generally this premeditated state of mind distinguishes murder from other forms of unlawful homicide..."

Seems to be a lot of presumin' going on at Fox.

[narciso]

those are the hallmarks of Special Warfare, and provokatz, he tried a similar dance with Georgia, all through the Spring of 2008

[NKinLimbo]

The kid's story might be quite accurate... except for the misleading characterizations. His description of the cop rolling up to stop, frisk, question guys who matched the description of a just completed robbery suspects sounds about right. The kids trying to avoid detention and frisking (that would discover the robbery loot-- cigars and get their asses arrested) also sounds right... why did the cop shoot? TBD

[Dave (in MA)]

After a week of jumping to conclusions, now that it's fairly evident that Brown was the thug robbing the liquor store 10 minutes prior, all of a sudden we shouldn't jump to conclusions about this murder.

[Exasperated]

Good points, Exasperated. We can't have them niggers gettin' all uppity and shit...

Posted by: Beasts of England | August 15, 2014 at 12:57 PM

Watch your mouth. You're way out of line.

BTW, with their Pigford II ploys, Redistribution Of The Wealth ploys and Obama's distain for the law, I would say that they have already gone far beyond an uppity attempt to take over the country ..... or haven't you noticed?

[narciso]

well they are already 'dialing to 12'

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/ken-shepherd/2014/08/14/shorter-msnbc-ferguson-city-elections-held-april-are-racist

[Danube on iPad]

SEC Network on DirecTv is channel 611.

I'm not yet sure what Officer Wilson's reputation should be. I don't know (maybe someone can tell me) how many shots were fired, how many struck Brown and where, how Wilson's injuries were incurred, when and where they were inflicted relative to the shooting, and much more.

[Stephanie tortoise not the hare]

NK, sorry but big damn deal? IDTS. It's a BDD when you can field a team from a county of 25 thousand and make it that far than a city of whatever million and pick and choose your all stars from a large league. And the county kids don't have the big name star providing for them.

The county kids built that, the city kids took a village.

And the reportage has mostly been the racial aspect of the Jackie! Robinson! League! Fielding an all BLACK team.

[DebinNC]

Johnson said the officer then opened his car door, grabbed Brown’s neck and attempted to pull him through the window of the police car.

How huge would Officer Wilson have to be for that scenario to be remotely true?

[daddy]

Here's the photos of the Ferguson robber strong-arming the store clerk:

[daddy]

Rick B,

Thanks for the upbeat link to Joe Miller saying he will support whoever wins the Republican Senate Primary in Alaska. I was worried about him going rogue.

The AP reports that at last night's debate Miller finally promised to support the Republican nominee in order to defeat Democratic senator Mark Begich:

But near the end of a televised debate Thursday night, the last debate before the primary, Miller said he believed he will win and would do everything he could to see that incumbent Democratic Sen. Mark Begich is defeated come November.

"But if one of you two guys, I've never said this before, I'll support you guys. I will," he said. "We've got to get rid of Begich. There's no question about it."

Good job, Joe Miller.

[Jane]

Current TV co-founders Al Gore and Joel Hyatt have launched a fraud and breach-of-contract lawsuit claiming that Al Jazeera is withholding money from its $500 million purchase of the cable news network.

LOLOLOLOL!

Sue I saw your daughter's pix. She's a gorgeous young woman!

[Stephanie tortoise not the hare]

I haven't seen any photos showing where the cardinals cap ended up. If they struggled in the car, the cap is probably there, no? If it's in the passenger side floorboard, it's probable it landed there as Brown lunged for the officer through the open car door v his squeezing his fat torso through an opened window that the cop supposedly extended his Mr Fantastic arms through to pull him into the car which due to Brown's size would deposit the cap in the driver's floorboards or on the street.

[jimmyk on iPhone]

"Seems to be a lot of presumin' going on at Fox."

I had posted that video on the previous thread, with my view that it wa probably inadvertent.

[Ignatz]

I couldn't care less what color MLB is. And I couldn't care less whether they would like to put more black butts in MLB seats and more black eyeballs on the TV by recruiting more black players, which is what it's about to them, not some historic, altruistic urban triumph of put upon, underdog yutes.

[Danube on iPad]

It's come to this:

"The announcement was met with immediate disbelief and anger by community members who insisted Brown wasn't the man seen in a security camera video of the robbery."

[NKinLimbo]

That I agree with Ignatz-- I don't watch the 'human interest' stuff so I miss the ESPN propaganda. I also admit, back in the day growing up, most of my baseball heroes were AA, except for the NY Mets pitchers and catchers, so I really want the AA ballplayer back in MLB.

[jimmyk on iPhone]

"How huge would Officer Wilson have to be for that scenario to be remotely true?"

And how large that window?!

[Threadkiller]

Is it a multi-layer video?

[Sue]

Jane,

Thank you.

[lyle]

If you haven't seen Jersey Boys, I highly recommend it and I've never particularly liked Frankie Valee.

[Sue]

The police chief is now saying the officer was unaware of the robbery. He was trying to get them out of the street blocking traffic.

[NKinLimbo]

Not aware of the robbery report? well, that's not good for Officer Wilson.

[daddy]

It makes me livid and gives blond wimmin a bad name the world over.

ISIS hates blondes. 'ISIS want to impregnate Yazidi women and smash our blond bloodline': Fears grow for the 300 women kidnapped from Sinjar

The minority group is originally Aryan and has retained a fairer complexion, blonde hair and blue eyes by only marrying within the community.
But in a furious bid to convert all non-Muslims, ISIS jihadists have vowed to impregnate the hostages.

'The Kurds and Yazidis are originally Aryans. But because the Yazidis are such a closed community they have retained a fairer complexion, blonder hair and bluer eyes. They don't marry non-Yazidis.

[Stephanie tortoise not the hare]

In what quotient, nk? That's where this is headed.

There are many, many black players...They just don't come from Chicago or Oakland just from Dominica or Negril so they really aren't black black, right?

Why force kids to play something they aren't passionate about just so the roster is PC?

[Threadkiller]

It depends, NK. If Wilson was unaware and Fat Dead-Perp thought the cop was on to him and bum rushed the surprised officer, I think it lends credibility to the story that a tussle led to a shooting.

[daddy]

"The announcement was met with immediate disbelief and anger by community members who insisted Brown wasn't the man seen in a security camera video of the robbery."

Responding to a question a few minutes back the Police Chief said that they had found some of the merchandise stolen from the store on the dead guy.

I suppose they will say it was planted on him.

[jimmyk on iPhone]

"Not aware of the robbery report? well, that's not good for Officer Wilson."

Maybe, but the robbery still explains the aggressive response of Mr Brown and companion. Someone on his way from visiting sick people to go see grandma doesn't struggle with a cop.

[NKinLimbo]

TK-- I understand and agree that's a possibility. I would add, the kids would have assumed they were being stopped as suspects in the robbery, and that gave them motive to resist, and to bum rush the cop, and his lack of knowledge of the robbery would explain his surprise. But the lack of knowledge of the robbery complicates Wilson's stop or detention of the kids. They weren't suspects, he was 'moving them along' out of traffic? at what time in the night? his lack of knowledge makes things more sketchy IMO.

[Stephanie tortoise not the hare]

Looks like ND has four players being investigated for "honor code" violations involving academic fraud.

Btw this girl pitcher has really good mechanics. Really good.

[NKinLimbo]

I've never had a case with him, but Judge Sullivan sounds serious: http://hotair.com/archives/2014/08/15/judge-orders-irs-to-come-up-with-better-explanation-of-missing-lerner-e-mails/

[daddy]

If Wilson was unaware and Fat Dead-Perp thought the cop was on to him and bum rushed the surprised officer, I think it lends credibility to the story that a tussle led to a shooting.

That sounds sensible, TK.

If Fat Dead and his buddy did the crime and roughed up the clerk, then they were probably thinking that Apu from the Quicky Mart had or would have called the cops. Thus their state of mind would have been a bit different than just 2 innocent guys walking down the street when a cop car pulls up and starts talking to them.

[Captain Hate]

Why force kids to play something they aren't passionate about just so the roster is PC?

Let's get Wilbon on this; he'll bring some much needed sanity ::rolleyes;;

[GMax]

NO NO NO

The teenager was on a gentle stroll, actually was a gentle giant and was on his way to visit with his aging grandmother. Stop trying to bring reality into this feel good story gone horribly wrong due to a racist officer...

[daddy]

Just bits and pieces:

The Police Chief said that the cop did not know about the robbery but was in the vicinity and that an ambulance was nearby because of some Medical Emergency. I could not tell from the Police Chief if the cop was in the vicinity as a result of that Medical Emergency, so don't know if he was trying to keep the street clear as a consequence of the Ambulance.
The Police Chief said that the cop questioned the guys because they were walking down the middle of the street.

As usual, a lot of things we don't know at such an early stage.

[Danube on iPad]

Interesting. I believe cops can use deadly force to stop a fleeing felon, but otherwise only when in fear of great bodily harm.

[GMax]

From a poster at National Review we get this snippet:

Via the New York Daily News:

Freeman Bosley, a former St. Louis mayor and the lawyer for Brown’s pal, 22-year-old Dorian Johnson, said he has not seen the tape but confirmed that the slain teen took the cigars.

“My client did tell us — and told the FBI — that they went into the store,” Bosley said on MSNBC. “He told the FBI that he did take cigarillos. He told that to the DOJ and the St. Louis County Police.”

Dorian Johnson gave his eyewitness testimony to many, many media outlets. Not once did he mention that Michael Brown had committed a crime prior to the shooting.

[GMax]

So much for the doctored tape and planted evidence memes!

[daddy]

Uh Oh:(

FEDEX Indicted for Money Laundering

The government has said that FedEx and its co-conspirators could face a fine of twice the gains from the conduct, alleged to be at least $820 million.

the world’s largest cargo airline, last month pleaded not guilty

I'm innocent!

[Threadkiller]

It was probably his first crime, though.

[DebinNC]

A driver may have called 911 to report "males walking in middle of street" and Ofc. Wilson was sent specifically to deal with that. That's the kind of passive aggressive activity some yoots might find fun.

[Threadkiller]

Now would be a great time to keep your garage door closed, daddy.

[daddy]

Off to speak to my Lawyer:) Later.

[NKinLimbo]

Daddy-- I advise you to cut a quick deal, turn Fed evidence, go into witness protection as a Malaysia Air left seater... wait, hold off on that new identity part.

[FTL]

NK,

The IRS is lying about the whereabouts of those missing emails.

The IRS's song and dance about property control, degaussing, and recovering data from hard drives and crackberries is blatant obfuscation for the peanut gallery MSM to grasp at in defense of Obama.

Here's hoping that the courts are paying out enough rope for these bastards to hang themselves many times over because [multiple copies of] those emails should be hiding in plain sight at the Federal Archives or in one of Treasury's multi-billion-dollar datacenters. If those emails are not there, then somebody willfully destroyed records in violation of both federal law and the House oversight committee's subpoena.

[Sue]

Mediate has a screen shot of someone on twitter who witnessed the shooting. Says it was 2x in the back 5 after he turned around. He also says "homie on the ground" and "stole rellos". Weird how this person tweeting knew that but the cop didn't.

[Old Lurker]

"opened his car door then tried to pull the guy in through the window?" Why pull him though the window if the door is open? Who ever heard of a cop wanting a suspect on his lap in the front seat of a patrol car?

Jimmy, that use of "murder" might have been inadvertent, but golly a news service reporting on an explosive environment has a duty to take care in its use of words, particularly when using an inflammatory word that is at the root of the mess. Also if speaks ill of our educational system that she would even accidentally equated "killed" and "murdered".

[Ignatz]

The tactical and strategic mastermind in the White House on the links strikes again as IS tyrants move back to Syria after Barry Von Clauswitz tells them we're going to bomb them in Iraq but not Syria.

[PD]

Btw this girl pitcher has really good mechanics. Really good.

Yep, she's doing really well.

[glasater]

Back to the subject of illegal kids being mainstreamed into the public school systems throughout the country this coming year which is rapidly approaching...

I know a few progressives in my community and from that small knowledge I do know they get pretty cringy when it comes to having their own children getting sick from any illnesses attending school.

If these illegals start bringing in lice, scabies or worse into the schools starting in September I predict there will be a huge backlash coming down the pike.

[NKinLimbo]

there will be a loud backlash

[Stephanie]

Also if speaks ill of our educational system that she would even accidentally equated "killed" and "murdered".

Why? fetus = a clump of cells

[PD]

Relief pitchers for the other team, on the other hand, seem to be struggling mightily to find the plate.

[DebinNC]

Saw yesterday that homeschooling in NC has grown rapidly the last several yrs., so that for the first time there are more homeschooled kids than private schooled kids, iirc ~100,000.

[Rob Crawford]

Hollow points in a pistol are practical only at close range. The higher costs of both of which exceed theit values.

What?!

[Beasts of England]

Where da white women Skittles™ at?

[Danube on iPad]

Got this via e-mail. If true it's wonderful, and I've been waiting for a governor to do this:

"Governor of Iowa announced: Iowa will not take any illegal children.    Yesterday Obama overruled him and sent him 124 teens 13-19, landed the plane in Des Moines.    Airport manager called the office of the Governor - Bransted, he drove to the airport and chartered a United plane from Chicago.    Within 8 hours all the teens were loaded on, got food and drink.  The plane left Iowa 8 o'clock Des Moines.   Next stop was Honduras.   Plane was unloaded.   4 social workers from Iowa made sure they got to the terminal, told the Honduras officials, here are your teens, they have no papers, you let them come illegally to America.   Iowa refuses to take them.  Iowa has its own laws.    No minors who are not with adults.   Iowa has not heard one thing from Washington. "

[PD]

Whoa. Mo'ne Davis, complete game shutout.

[Jane]

You are not allowed to take the robbery by an 18 year old "child" into account. Michael was just like all the other kids, and that looks like him, but ignore it.The only relevant factor is he was on his knees exhibiting "the universal sign of surrender" when he was murdered in cold blood. We didn't do that to Charles Manson or Saddam Hussein. Oh and if some other bad stuff comes out, ignore it.

So says his lawyer.

Isn't his co-robber the only person who says he was surrendering?

[DebinNC]

Wow! Yay, Iowa!

[Rob Crawford]

I suspect Angel Michael was fueled with crack or meth and it may have affected his judgement just a tad.

A sense of entitlement and idiocy do more to promote a "bad attitude" and poor judgement than anything else.

[Rob Crawford]

ter a week of jumping to conclusions, now that it's fairly evident that Brown was the thug robbing the liquor store 10 minutes prior, all of a sudden we shouldn't jump to conclusions about this murder.

Dunno. Arguably Brown's accomplices committed felony murder.

[Beasts of England]

That sounds too good to be true, DoT, but I certainly endorse that approach!

[Danube on iPad]

I can't confirm it, and don't believe it happened. Too bad.

[Jack is Back!]

DebinNC.

Don't know about NC but here in FL we have both Virtual classrooms and Home Schools (ex-teachers running Home School in their homes for more than just ome student).

IOW's - Capitalism and private enterprise at work:)

[Danube on iPad]

I don't think felony murder could stick. The killing didn't occur during the commission of the felony.

[Stephanie]

Complete game shut out with 2 hits and no walks. She's the real deal.

I'd have loved to see her pitch against the Illinois team, but she's out of the pitching rotation for the next game due to pitch count. Either Monday or Tuesday depending on how you define 3 days rest.

[Stephanie]

It was just reported on Fox News by Pentagon reporter Jennifer Griffin, that 90 Yazidi men have been executed by ISIS in a village vicinity of Mt. Sinjar. The women and children have been carted off, surely to be sold in Syria as that seems the modus operandi. Hey Barack Hussein Obama, way to go fella, now we once again see that your so called "breaking of the siege" at Mt. Sinjar was more of your lies and propaganda -- and this time more people had to unfortunately die as ISIS made their point in mocking you. You Sir, Mr. President are a piece of work and as I previously stated, an inhumane coward. Enjoy your vacation, dance the night away, play more golf but just know that you are an abject failure and just like Bill Clinton enabled the Taliban and al-Qaida to rise -- so it goes on your watch. We are going to need a true American mensch in the White House after you.

- Allen West

[Jack is Back!]

Another reason for police to wear video cams. It would probably make all this unecessary.

[Beasts of England]

Doesn't Mt. Sinjar have a nice golf course or a beach or something?

[DebinNC]

I think our Moses will have to come from the pool of governors. Walker for sure. Bransted makes my list now. MO Gov. Nixon is coming across as an opportunistic weasel.

[Danube on iPad]

USLegal:

"The fleeing felon rule under common law permits the use of deadly force against a felon who is clearly in flight from apprehension."

Not relevant here....

[Eric in Boise]

that 90 Yazidi men have been executed by ISIS in a village vicinity of Mt. Sinjar.

So Barry's mission wasn't quite as accomplished as he made it sound? Unpossible!

[Beasts of England]

Don't be picky, Eric - the narrative must be obeyed!! ;)

[Rob Crawford]

I don't think felony murder could stick. The killing didn't occur during the commission of the felony.

Sure it did. They were still trying to make their escape.

[Porchlight]

If completely separate from the robbery and as alleged, Brown assaulted Wilson in the patrol car and tried unsuccessfully to seize Wilson's weapon, and then tried to run, would that trigger the fleeing felon rule?

[Ignatz]

I believe a felon is generally one who has been convicted of a crime.

[Stephanie]

Friend of the cop just called into the Dana Loesch show with what the cop has said about it to him/her/xher:

“He pulled up ahead of them. And then he got a call-in that there was a strong-arm robbery. And, they gave a description. And, he’s looking at them and they got something in their hands and it looks like it could be what, you know those cigars or whatever. So he goes in reverse back to them. Tries to get out of his car. They slam his door shut violently. I think he said Michael did. And, then he opened the car again. He tried to get out. He stands up.

And then Michael just bum-rushes him and shoves him back into his car. Punches him in the face and them Darren grabs for his gun. Michael grabbed for the gun. At one point he got the gun entirely turned against his hip. And he shoves it away. And the gun goes off.

Well, then Michael takes off and gets to be about 35 feet away. And, Darren’s first protocol is to pursue. So, he stands up and yells, “Freeze!” Michael and his friend turn around. And Michael taunts him… And then all the sudden he just started bumrushing him. He just started coming at him full speed. And, so he just started shooting. And, he just kept coming. And, so he really thinks he was on something.”

[Porchlight]

I believe a felon is generally one who has been convicted of a crime.

But if that's the case how can you have such a thing as a fleeing felon rule? You can only shoot fleeing people who have been convicted of a felony in a court of law?

[Porchlight]

"And then all the sudden he just started bumrushing him. He just started coming at him full speed. And, so he just started shooting. And, he just kept coming. And, so he really thinks he was on something.”

Just as suspected. Toxicology reports will be interesting.

[clarice]

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/08/exclusive-friend-of-officer-darren-wilson-speaks-out-on-shooting-of-mike-brown-audio/

[Threadkiller]

Dana Leech went full coward off of a doctored video of Bundy.

Her call screener probably shares her instincts when it comes to a scam.

[Extraneus]

Seems relevant and suspicious that the friend thought to claim that the cop never said "halt" or "freeze." Did he have legal advice?

[clarice]

DoT, if the Gateway version is correct, this was a fleeing felon case.

[NKinLimbo]

what is the 'fleeing felon rule'?

[Beasts of England]

Trayvon got him some blunts. Michael got (stole) him some blunts. Clearly if we had some kinda blunt redistribution scheme, a lot of these needless killings of sweet little boys would stop.

[clarice]

Of course, the admission by the lawyer means that Crump's star witness is now hopelessly discredited.

[Extraneus]

At Common law, the Fleeing Felon Rule permits the use of force, including deadly force, against an individual who is suspected of a felony and is in clear flight.[citation needed] Force may be used by the victim, bystanders, or police officers.[citation needed] In some jurisprudence failure to use such force was a misdemeanor which could result in a fine or imprisonment.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fleeing_felon_rule

[Extraneus]

I didn't realize I could shoot a fleeing felon, even as a bystander. Cool!

[Jane]

Over at Gateway Pundit:

“Josie,” a friend of Ferguson Officer Darren Wilson, called into The Dana Loesch Radio Show today. Josie gave Officer Wilson’s side of the story.

Here’s the transcript:

“He pulled up ahead of them. And then he got a call-in that there was a strong-arm robbery. And, they gave a description. And, he’s looking at them and they got something in their hands and it looks like it could be what, you know those cigars or whatever. So he goes in reverse back to them. Tries to get out of his car. They slam his door shut violently. I think he said Michael did. And, then he opened the car again. He tried to get out. He stands up.

And then Michael just bum-rushes him and shoves him back into his car. Punches him in the face and them Darren grabs for his gun. Michael grabbed for the gun. At one point he got the gun entirely turned against his hip. And he shoves it away. And the gun goes off.

Well, then Michael takes off and gets to be about 35 feet away. And, Darren’s first protocol is to pursue. So, he stands up and yells, “Freeze!” Michael and his friend turn around. And Michael taunts him… And then all the sudden he just started bumrushing him. He just started coming at him full speed. And, so he just started shooting. And, he just kept coming. And, so he really thinks he was on something.”

[Jane]

Sorry, should have caught up first.

[NKinLimbo]

Very nice... what do the applicable Mo statutes and judicial application of same provide with regard to police use of deadly force?

[Porchlight]

I initially thought Brown was fleeing. But if the friend of Wilson is legit and correct, Brown was initially leaving the scene, then turned around and charged Wilson.