I'll Tell You What 'Horseshit' Is

In a recent Times interview Obama dismissed the notion of arming the moderate Syrian rebels as "a fantasy". Reportedly his language was more colorful in a meeting with senior lawmakers:

President Obama got angry at lawmakers who suggested in a private meeting that he should have armed the Syrian rebels, calling the criticism “horseshit.”

Let's flash back to the Times for more:

With “respect to Syria,” said the president, the notion that arming the rebels would have made a difference has “always been a fantasy. This idea that we could provide some light arms or even more sophisticated arms to what was essentially an opposition made up of former doctors, farmers, pharmacists and so forth, and that they were going to be able to battle not only a well-armed state but also a well-armed state backed by Russia, backed by Iran, a battle-hardened Hezbollah, that was never in the cards.”

Farmers and pharmacists? From this 2007 paper I see that that all Syrian males (other than Jews) were subject to mandatory military service. And the rebels were buttressed by what CJ Chiver of the Times described as "a cadre of army defectors".

But maybe leaving them unarmed, despite Obama's bold words that Assad must "step aside", was meant to provide a salutory lesson in the importance of non-violent confrontation. Too bad Assad didn't play along.

What's horseshit is that a failed community organizer with no discernible resume would have the last word on important questions emerging from the real world.

Comments

[Marlene]

Morning! Per Drudge,Obama says the water is cold in the Atlantic Ocean. He's just not that smart. Is that phrase trademarked? :) The media is already 24/7 with Robin Williams, so the real world will have to wait. Ugh,maybe I need more coffee!

[Marlene]

Actually,the media began to wallow in Robin William's death the minute the news broke. Enough.

[NKinLimbo]

TomM--

I like the passion in your observation of Obummer. Nixon was a paranoid, Obummer is a clinical narcissist, but I bet Obummer has already begun wanderinbg the WH corridors (choomed up of course) raging at the portraits of dead white guys. Obummer is deranged and delusional, he's a dangerous man, except to the Muslim Brotherhood, the Mullahs and Putin of course.

[Jeff Dobbs]

"There are those who say providing a few guns to Syrian rebels would have ushered in an era of total world peace, and there are those who say it would have ended with full scale nuclear war with Iran and Russia. I reject this false choice as horseshit. Instead, I am proposing we deliver unicorn shit to those who would be our allies in the middle east."

[NKinLimbo]

Robin Williams-- I liked his standup, his madcap comedy movies were fun (especially Garp), his dramatic roles were pretty mediocre for me. I learned from comments here that he was a Yalie and Julliard guy. I guess that explains why I saw him several times outside the Met Museum in the mid-70s doing street schtick, like the 'failed mime' act-- his street stuff was hysterical (and clean for the tourists.) RIP, just terrible that depression and addictions killed him. Just terrible.

[narciso]

Fred Hof agrees with you, TM

http://www.businessinsider.com/fred-hof-counters-obamas-famers-syria-argument-2014-8

the Saudis, Qataris, and the Turks, handpicked these rebels, which was hispolicy, I'll link my own blog post, which belied how moderate the opposition really was

[Captain Hate]

If Facebook is an accurate barometer, which it probably isn't, he's wrecked the donk party unlike any other. The party of stoopid will have to try extra hard to squander this advantage.

[Captain Hate]

Jane and clarice linked this on Facebook. When did Horowitz become part of NRO?

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/384963/obamas-treachery-and-republican-silence-david-horowitz

[Extraneus]

What's horseshit is that a failed community organizer with no discernible resume would have the last word on important questions emerging from the real world.

In other words, the American electorate is horseshit.

[Ignatz]

--Obummer is deranged and delusional....--

I don't think so. Mostly he's just dishonest, is a profoundly wrong ideologue and is without honor.
He has insecurities and flaws of character. If he was truly nuts and suffered from delusions he'd deserve a lot more sympathy and have a lot more of an excuse.

[Jack is Back (An I-95 Warrior)]

That Spanish priest with Ebola that they tried the vaccine on has died.

I'm sort of shocked that Sharpton has taken this long to fly out to St. Louis.

[narciso]

they will find a way, Captain,

http://narcisoscorner.blogspot.com/2014/01/the-syrian-imbroglio-by-narciso-old.html?view=sidebar

after all, Garfield nd his refield, saw it in their hearts to back the degenerate weasel from
Tennessee, DesJarlais

[Ignatz]

Life and death in the Iraqi mountains with the Yazidi.
At least the Syrian Kurds have provided an escape route and thousands are being saved.

[NKinLimbo]

Clinical, or just deliberately and constantly dishonest... where is the line? I don't care frankly; he's the frikkin' POTUS and he is incapable of representing American interests, even if you define 'American' as his sad sack OFA parasite constituency. He's dangerous.

[peter]

I think it is insulting to equine manure to call Obama horseshit. As an organic gardener, I have purchased equine manure in the past and found it very useful. Obama, not so much

[Porchlight]

What is Obama's policy in Syria? Anybody know? I sure don't.

I find it sad the extent to which purported adults immerse themselves in celebrity culture including celebrity mourning. We are not talking about a Nelson or a Washington here.

[Pagar]

This has to be a joke.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/08/11/dea-paid-amtrak-854460-for-passenger-lists-it-could-have-gotten-for-free/

Is there a contest in the federal government to see who can waste the most money?

[Old Lurker]

Well (welp to CH), NOW I can sleep better.

Weekly Std:

"John Brennan, who was then a senior adviser to the president and is currently the CIA director, explained the Obama administration’s counterterrorism strategy. “Our strategy is…shaped by a deeper understanding of al Qaeda’s goals, strategy, and tactics,” Brennan claimed. “I’m not talking about al Qaeda’s grandiose vision of global domination through a violent Islamic caliphate. That vision is absurd, and we are not going to organize our counterterrorism policies against a feckless delusion that is never going to happen. We are not going to elevate these thugs and their murderous aspirations into something larger than they are.”

[Ignatz]

$
4
7
1
7
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That's the average wage now for jobs which paid $61,637 in 2008, a decline of ~23%.

If Barry had one more term we'd be shipping our kids (and WeeDavey) to Honduras.

[Extraneus]

What is Obama's policy in Syria?

I never did understand our Syria policy, even under Bush. Clearly there were thousands of insurgents coming across the border into Iraq, and many American deaths resulted, yet did we ever even threaten Assad over it? I guess we figured it was ok when we had forces in Iraq, since our guys probably used them for target practice, but we obviously didn't kill enough of them while we had the chance.

[Cecil Turner]

Clinical, or just deliberately and constantly dishonest... where is the line?

You mean like that disappearing red one?

Back when we had an army in Iraq, we could've done lots of stuff . . . and should have. Even afterward, we could have supplied arms and enforced a no-fly zone over Syria, which almost certainly would've enabled a win by the opposition (back when there was one).

In short, practically anything we could've done would've been better than what we did do. (In particular, the on-and-off red line drill, followed by negotiations through Russia and implicit support for Assad was the worst of all worlds.)

The President would've been far better served by following Sarah Palin's facebook recommendations, rather than the poll-driven incoherence that he seems to've settled on. Even a bad strategy is better than none at all.

[DebinNC]

John Kerry in Australia: “There will be no reintroduction of American combat forces into Iraq,” he said. [The Guardian]

IOW, "Christians, prepare to die, because the U.S. will not impede the jihadi head-loppers approaching your door."

[NKinLimbo]

Brennan-- I was picking up my daughter at Fordham and waiting in the car listening to the Fordham graduation on the college radio station. Brennan's graduation speech was insipid, except when he talked AQ, then it was scary. The radio station replay of Cardinal Dolan speaking after the Bacc. Mass the night before was far more interesting, insightful and entertaining.

[Ignatz]

Memorandum says Iran backs the new Iraqi PM.
Meet the new boss......

[Jeff Dobbs]

The Party of Neighhhhhhhh

[NKinLimbo]

Obummer and the Mullahs back the same guy?... SHOCKER.

[GMax]

Just for Double Douchebag, I will provide the insight of Marist/McClachey on their latest poll. The poll appears to be an Adult poll, and if you don't just skip over my posts you know that the electorate in a midterm is SIGNIFICANTLY more Republican than the general population of adults.

Nevertheless get a load of this :

By 42-32 percent, voters say their opinions of Obama make them more likely to vote this fall for a Republican than for a Democrat.

And for the first time this election cycle, more people said they’d vote for a Republican than a Democrat for Congress, by 43 percent to 38 percent.

“The Democrats are sputtering,” said Lee Miringoff, the director of the Marist Institute for Public Opinion in New York, which conducted the national survey.

Sputtering. hahahahahaha

[PD]

It's primary day in Wisconsin. I went to the polling place this morning, where I had to prevent the nice ladies from causing me to commit voter fraud.

They asked my last name. I said it.
They found the last name on the lists (there are two of them, each with a list).

They asked my first name. I said it.
They looked for the first name, and the first one, evidently not hearing me correctly, asked me to sign ... next to *my son's name*.

I pointed out the problem.

And said, smiling, "Voter ID would easily have prevented this." (The ID law has not yet gone into implementation.)

The lady chuckled and said, "Yes. We're not supposed to talk about that."

I said, "But I can."

This is not the first time this has happened to me.

[selfanalyst]

to Jack is Back.

My guess is Sharpton was waiting to see if the officer in question was black or white. They are keeping a pretty tight lid on that info, so now he can't wait any longer.

[PD]

If Barry had one more term

Am I a conspiracy nut to wonder whether he might?

[DebinNC]

BOzo, Inc. hindering Inspectors General from investigating top gov agencies, including State, EPA, DOJ, DOE.

[Old Lurker]

Why did you stop typing, Deb, the list goes on.

[Ignatz]

Don't know if this Daily Beast story has been linked, but it describes how those dirty political parties pay their minority campaign workers less than their white ones;

On both sides of the aisle, there is a racial pay gap in campaign politics. Asian, Black and Latino staffers are paid less than their white counterparts, according to an analysis by the New Organizing Institute.

What the doofus doesn't mention is that the study shows Reps pay all their staffers much more than Dems do and there is a much smaller disparity between what whites make vs black and Hispanics in the GOP than with the supposedly enlightened, purportedly minority loving Dems.

With Dems, much less pay and it's much more unequal;
Shucks massa, dat ol plantation mentality is pretty hard to shake, I reckon.

[Captain Hate]

Ok this is a sad story:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/08/12/california-police-chief-says-bank-robbery-hostage-was-killed-by-officers/?intcmp=latestnews

[NKinLimbo]

The Dem Gangster Organization -- they do run it like a plantation, literally.

[GMax]

More from McClatchy. This is what is known as speaking truth to power:

In December, voters’ opinions split evenly between the major parties. In February, they favored the Democrats by 2 percentage points, 46-44. In April, they favored the Democrats by 6 points, 48-42. Now they lean toward the Republicans by 5 points, 43-38.

Independents are driving the change.

The number of Americans who consider themselves independents has risen since Obama took office in 2009, Miringoff said, and now more of them are supporting Republicans.

Independents break for Republicans over Democrats by 40-26, with 12 percent picking neither party and 22 percent undecided.

“More people see themselves as independents, and those people seem to have bailed on Obama,” Miringoff said.

Independents disapprove of Obama’s job performance by 53-35 percent. They turn thumbs down on his handling of the economy by 58-39 percent, the same as the national result. They disapprove of his work on foreign policy by 64-31.

Republicans have the edge overall heading into the elections in all parts of the country ( emphasis added by me ), the poll found. One surprising source of support: Latino voters give only the edge to Democrats by 40-38 percent. Whites support Republicans by 48-34 percent; African-Americans support Democrats by 64-19 percent.

[GMax]

as sherbet here is also an We Ask America poll of Illinois Govenor race. I would say this one is over:

Bruce Rauner (R) 51%
Pat Quinn (D-inc) 38%

[Miss Marple]

This is worth reading. HT to Jim Geraughty of NRO who linked it.

http://www.cracked.com/quick-fixes/robin-williams-why-funny-people-kill-themselves/

[Extraneus]

America's most conservative cities

[AliceH]

Extraneus@10:15

That is one weird scale they used: From a "least conservative" value of -1.0 (represented by SFO) to a "most conservative" value of +0.41 (Mesa, AZ).... And "conservative leaning" is determined by falling in the range of -0.01 to -.19

[Comanche Voter]

Outlaw Ned told Rooster Cogburn (in True Grit) "I'd call those bold words for a one eyed fat man."

Now when President Obama uses the term "horseshit", I'd call those bold words for a skinny little (and not too bright) narcissist. He couldn't tell a horse turd from a buffalo chip--but he's got the lying weasel part down cold.

[maryrose]

I feel really sad about Robin Williams. depression is a misunderstood disease. In this case Williams was not really himself and couldn't a way to cope with it.Having a family history of this disease I empathize with his family members.I loved "Dead Poets Society" which launched the careers of Ethan Hawke, Robert Sean Leonard and Josh {Will} from the "Good Wife".
As to this thread's topic- Obama in lame excuse mode is nothing new. Hillary trying to grab a toe-hold on the back of Obama's failures is business as usual. Is there a more craven creature than Hil Clinton? She almost makes Bill look likeable by comparison.-almost...

[NKinLimbo]

Clintons-- good observations. The Clintons have no real positions (of course they are Leftists, but they are Grifters first) they only 'position' themselves. Cankles dumping on Obummer is a reflection of how despised Obummer is by the voters needed to win elections. The Prog/Clintonista war is on... I don't fancy the chances of the old white Libs.

[NKinLimbo]

BTW-- the Dead Poets Society is one of the worst pieces of drek... evah.

[NKinLimbo]

INSTY is so right when he says:

"They’ve been wrong about a lot of things, and we’ve paid — and will pay — for that. But the sheer “I won” in-your-face immaturity of the Obamaites — remember the “Hey, Hey, Goodbye” chant to Bush at the inauguration — ensured that people would be angrier than normal. And they did that on purpose because a sharply divided nation suited them politically. Now Ron Fournier wonders if Americans would rally behind Obama after another 9/11 the way we rallied behind Bush, and I think the answer is no — because Obama has spent his entire time in office flicking boogers at half the country.

As I’ve said before, the reason why presidents traditionally act “presidential” isn’t because they’re stiffly formal, it’s because acting presidential, rather than purely political, lets you appeal to the whole country in ways that a pure partisan can’t. Obama doesn’t care, and we may very well pay for that, too. But elections have consequences, and when you elect a guy like Obama, the consequences are bad ones."

[clarice]

Yes he is, NK.

[Danube on iPad]

"In other words, the American electorate is horseshit."

Bingo.

[James D.]

That's a great article that MM posted at 10:11.

This really hits home for me, because it's pretty much how I've felt for most of my life, too:

Every time they make a joke around you, they're doing it because they instinctively and reflexively think that's what they need to do to make you like them. They're afraid that the moment the laughter stops, all that's left is that gross, awkward kid everyone hated on the playground, the one they've been hiding behind bricks all their adult life.

If you don't have a strong belief in yourself, and on top of that if there's a family history (say, your father, and his brother, and his father, all succumbed to alcoholism), and if your faith in God is shaky at times, it's very easy to go to a really bad place.

The place where you just KNOW that if friends and family saw who you really are deep inside, they'd turn their backs on you in a heartbeat, as they ought to, and then you'd be completely alone, just as you know you deserve to be.

And as the article notes, once you're in that place, it's almost impossible to reach out for help, because you KNOW nobody wants to hear it.

(Even though that isn't true, of course. But when you're in that place, how can you possibly imagine that anybody else likes or loves you enough to help you, when even you don't like, let alone love, yourself?)

If you're lucky, you can find your way out of that place. Sometimes it's just a matter of keeping yourself busy until you can summon up enough strength or faith or SOMETHING that isn't self-destructive, to climb out for a while.

But if you're not lucky, you end up turning to alcohol, or drugs, or something else self-destructive, and it makes you forget that place for a little while, but of course when you sober up, you're even further away from anything good or healthy. Until, sooner or later, you're gone for good.

[Dave (in MA)]

Dead Poet's Society was OK, though it was just another installment of the inspirational teacher bucking the system narrative that Hollywood keeps remaking.

[Extraneus]

Under Oath: IRS officials detail Lerner computer crash in declarations to court

In the declarations, agency technology officials insisted they did everything they could to fix and recover data from the hard drive of Lerner, who is a central figure in the investigation into the agency’s targeting of conservative groups. However, they said their efforts were fruitless, and some of Lerner's emails were lost.

Did they say that there were any emails stored on her hard drive?

The IRS says it lost the emails in 2011 when Lerner's computer crashed.

The implication is that the IRS has claimed that Ms. Lerner archived emails to her hard drive, yet the author doesn't provide a citation. Did they claim that? How would they know? They've also claimed that they haven't been able to ask Ms. Lerner any questions.

In their declarations, the two IT officials insisted they did everything they could to recover Lerner’s lost files. Aaron G. Signor, an information technology specialist, recounted how he ran multiple tests on the hard drive and attempted to recover the data, but it was to no avail.

I have yet to see an actual claim by the IRS that there were emails stored on that hard drive. Has anyone here seen documentation of such a claim?

[DebinNC]

Amen, James D.

Re BOzo's "horseshit" utterance, imo that was the focus-grouped winning response his handlers produced, hoping it would evoke a macho, Pattonesque POTUS rather than the indecisive wimp BOzo has always been.

[maryrose]

TK:
So sorry that you had to experience such tragedy in your life. It helps me understand your willingness to help others on this blog.
Bori:
An unimaginable loss of family life. for you. You are a strong person and an inspiration to others.
NK;
I have to disagree. "Carpe Diem" is how I live my life. Loyalty shown by the students in the 'Captain, My Captain" scene is a classic. Shy boy brought out of his shell by comaraderie and understanding of fellow students is inspiring. Maybe you have to be a teacher to be moved by it.

[NKinLimbo]

Carpe Diem and loyalty are wonderful virtues and personal values. They were abused by the rubbish that was DPS... a story filled with Lefty sterotypes. To each their own.

[Extraneus]

UK Daily Mail (of course):

U.S. taxpayers spent $55,000 on travel expenses for Hillary Clinton's BOOK TOUR in Paris and Berlin – including a her $3,668-a-night hotel suite

Hillary Clinton left her post at the top of the U.S. State Department on Feb. 1, 2013, but the federal government spent more than $55,000 on travel expenses related to her book tour just last month, procurement documents show.

• $3,668 hotel suite at the posh Four Seasons George V hotel in Paris
• $5,100 to rent three Mercedes-Benz VIP vans in Berlin, curiously billed to the Homeland Security Department's Office of Inspector General
• State Department paid for nearly $50,000 of the costs even though Mrs. Clinton no longer heads the cabinet agency
• Anti-Hillary PAC calls it a 'double-whammy' considering Hillary's well-publicized six-figure speaking fees

[Jeff Dobbs]

Deb:
Re BOzo's "horseshit" utterance, imo that was the focus-grouped winning response his handlers produced, hoping it would evoke a macho, Pattonesque POTUS rather than the indecisive wimp BOzo has always been.

BP pipeline spill flashback...

A variety of critics have accused Obama of being too cerebral in his reaction to the undersea gusher now fouling the Gulf of Mexico, of failing to put the full force of the administration and of putting too much trust in oil company BP. NBC's Matt Lauer asked Obama about the criticism that he should spend more time in the Gulf instead of with experts and "kick some butt."

Obama told NBC his deliberations have been more than academic.

"I don't sit around talking to experts because this is a college seminar," Obama continued. "We talk to these folks because they potentially have the best answers, so I know whose ass to kick."

And just wait until daddy shows up to remind us the media's role in pumping up the macho image of Obama surrounding the al Megrahi release from Scotland...

[Beasts of England]

I'm gonna check out for a few days until the depression, death, and suicide threads end. While I'm oddly grateful to learn that these things are not uncommon, it's still too close to home for me...

Love y'all.

[jimmyk]

"acting presidential, rather than purely political, lets you appeal to the whole country in ways that a pure partisan can’t. Obama doesn’t care, and we may very well pay for that, too."

The lesson is that when someone campaigns as being post-partisan, and says stuff like "we need a leader who can finally move beyond the divisive politics of Washington and bring Democrats, independents and Republicans together to get things done," it's a good bet that he will be exactly the opposite. Just like someone here was saying the other day about people who say how honest they are.

Of course most politicians pay lip service to that, but when it's almost the entire campaign, then you know it's phony. Give me a candidate who really says what he believes and wants to accomplish in concrete terms.

[jimmyk]

Re BOzo's "horseshit" utterance, imo that was the focus-grouped winning response his handlers produced, hoping it would evoke a macho, Pattonesque POTUS.

Ha, ha, ha! Fail. Can you say "Dukakis riding in a tank"?

[Ignatz]

--They're afraid that the moment the laughter stops, all that's left is that gross, awkward kid everyone hated on the playground, the one they've been hiding behind bricks all their adult life.--

One of my best friends is a very pretty, sweet, single mom with the funniest personality of just about anyone I've ever met.
She was so hurt by her father and ex that she acknowledges she uses her humor as a wall to keep people from getting too close.

She's lovely and would fit in anywhere just as she is without the humor, so you don't have to be a pencil necked geek to have someone take away your security and turn you into the class clown.

[clarice]

jimmyk, exactly --on both counts.

[Extraneus]

Braley Caught Again Making Elitist Comments About Iowans

“Rep. Bruce Braley (D., Iowa) has once again been caught making elitist comments about Iowans, according to audio released by Republicans on Monday. The audio comes from a 2011 radio interview with Braley on Ring of Fire, a liberal radio program based in Florida. The Democratic Senate candidate says he addresses the ‘impression that there is an elitism among progressive policies’ by talking with voters in ‘terms they can understand’… The Iowa GOP blasted Braley in a statement: ‘Bruce Braley thinks he has to talk down to us Iowans so we can understand him. We understand him perfectly. He is a liberal elitist who thinks Iowans are helpless unless Washington tells us what to do…’’’

[maryrose]

Humor can be a defense mechanism to keep people at bay.I understand Beasts point of view. It is uncomfortable to talk about it even among family members and some display more empathy than others. Mostly you want to ignore it and hope it goes away. Unfortunately , you can run but you can't hide. Sometimes stating the truth about the heredity factor can really offend people. Of course being the one who does not suffer from the disease can also be a challenge. Having God or a higher being in your life is a blessing. It helps to put your situation in perspective. I didn't let some of my closest friends know about my childhood for years. I don't know all of you well enough to share anymore at this time.

[PD]

I guess I am in the minority here. I think I have never once watched Robin Williams in anything, other than a few seconds accidentally while flicking the TV clicker.

/me thinks some more...

Okay, that's not true. He was the voice of the genie in Disney's Aladdin, right? I saw that.

[Old Lurker]

When you come back Beasts I will update you on my golf outing and the use of your advice last night. Thanks to you and everyone else for the tips.

[Rick B]

"Give me a candidate who really says what he believes and wants to accomplish in concrete terms."

I'd tag "and has demonstrated at least minimal competence in some aspect of adult life" onto that.

President Ad Hoc Horseshit was at his best eating paste in the closet in Professor Tribe's office.

[Cecil Turner]

McArdle is out to lunch. Obama as a failure is far better than Shrillary as a success.

When every idea (from the Russian "reset" to redistributionist "stimulus," disengagement from the Mideast to national socialized health care, transitory "red lines" to minimum wage hikes . . .) is a bad one, getting less done is a feature, not a bug.

Democrats seem to confuse success of the presidency with success of the nation. And hence, if you're rooting for Obama to fail, you must be unpatriotic. It's a false equivalence fallacy.

[MarkO]

Who but a pampered, jejune, effete mental homunculus would think using the term "horseshit" would seem manly?

Obama’s just not that smart©

[James D.]

McArdle voted for Obama. And she's at a minimum an honorary juiceboxer.

Every so often, she writes something that's at least tangentially related to reality, but that's about the best I can say for her.

[glasater]

A short trenchant video re 0:

Obama Can't Hide From This Video

[Extraneus]

Obama says criticism of his "don’t do stupid shit" foreign policy is horseshit.

Nerds think it sounds cool.

[jimmyk]

It's a false equivalence fallacy.

Yes, remember all the outrage at Rush over that? It goes hand-in-hand with Obama's hyper-partisanship and divisiveness. A President with whom you disagree, but who sees himself as leader of the entire nation, might inspire more benevolent feelings even from those who voted against him. But one who seizes every opportunity to belittle anyone who disagrees with him, rams through unpopular legislation just because he can, and is generally clueless about virtually everything while thinking he's brilliant, begets his opposition's hostility and wishing him to fall on his face.

[Extraneus]

Bush did none of those things and the other side wanted to push his face into the ground.

[NKinLimbo]

McArdle is bright enough, and understands basic economic proinciples well enough, but she's a prisoner in the JuiceBox kingdom, she cannot step out of line too much or she will be excommunicated by the bigshot JuiceBoxers. pathetic.

[jimmyk]

From Daniel Greenfield:

In an attempt to protect their secrets from being revealed to the Israeli security forces, Hamas has executed tens of Gazan tunnel diggers in the last few weeks. The mass execution is said to have taken place after attempts from Hamas to make sure that the excavators knew nothing of the locations in which they were digging.

But we wouldn't want Hamas "vanquished," or Israel to be "victors."

http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/dgreenfield/hamas-killed-its-own-diggers-to-keep-tunnels-secret/

[Captain Hate]

"In other words, the American electorate is horseshit."

Bingo.

Stated like somebody who never intends on winning another election again. Seriously, what is a person supposed to take away from this but "woe is me and I'm so glad I'm so much smarter than those dolts who elected 404"? What positive takeaways come out of that?

Meanwhile Repuke Motors keeps coming up with a bunch of Edsels that all the Top Men say were "electable" until the public said "are you kidding me?" It's not the consumers' fault that they're given a bunch of beaters to choose from. They're waiting for another Reagan from a party that's determined not to give them one. I don't know why that's so difficult to grasp.

[Neo]

Paul Mirengoff over at Powerline defines:

For the record, and trust me on this, “horseshit” means bad; “bullshit” means wrong.

[jimmyk]

Bush did none of those things

True, ext, hence the "might." And our justified indignation at the left's behavior.

[NKinLimbo]

jimmyk/extraneous-- IMO you are both right. Obummer is a hatefuly little man, and the Left are a hateful, vindictive group. Obummer merits the pushback we give on a political and personal basis. He works hard to earn that from us. GWB worked to be a POTUS of every american and the nation first... The Left hated him even more for that, because they hate america.

[jimmyk]

They're waiting for another Reagan from a party that's determined not to give them one.

And let me try to preempt DoT's response by saying that I don't think CH meant "another Reagan" literally. We know Reagan is dead, and there may be no one quite like him. But there are good, strong candidates who have a chance to sway and inspire the electorate.

[Ignatz]

--Who but a pampered, jejune, effete mental homunculus would think using the term "horseshit" would seem manly?--

A candyass could write a letter to the Roman Senate stating "veni, vedi, vici" and it's still gonna sound like a candyass impersonating a man.

He's not that athletic and he's a pansy.™®

[Jane]

What bothers me more than anything about Obama supporters is their lack of integrity. It's rampant.

[sbw]

So many consider suicide at one time or another. I certainly wouldn’t want to be a 20-30 year-old again, buffeted about by the world and an unharnessed mind.

But if one is corralled into considering premature termination, two revelations help: First, it’s hubris to think you can know what the future will bring, and, second, if you would end it all, make the action metaphorical and change previously "unchangeable" premises you were working under.

Walk in the park, play with rescued animals, weed a community garden, or take the time to listen, enjoy, and support someone else.

If you no longer matter to yourself, make yourself matter in other ways. You'll discover eventually that you matter to yourself after all.

You alone own your consciousness at your place in the universe and moment in time. Joy comes from deciding to do something with it.

[NKinLimbo]

"He's not that athletic and he's a pansy.™®"

I would use a more feline based noun for the last word of that sentence.

[Captain Hate]

Thanks jimmyk; and I really have no basic disagreement with DoT on everything he wishes for the country. In fact I respect him a great deal. I just don't see things the same as he does on this.

[sbw]

Pardon repetition from threads gone by, but a leader doesn’t go to the front to point a new direction; a leader leads from within the crowd, a scribe who puts words to what ordinary people understand in their hearts but have yet to express clearly.

[Ignatz]

--"In other words, the American electorate is horseshit."--

The 19th century had some real clankers as President and someone as disastrous and transformative as Woody Wilson was elected twice 100 years ago so I don't know if the electorate is any worse than it's ever been.

Perhaps we're merely closer to our contemporary idiots so they seem more asslike than those distant idiots dimmed by the mists of time.

[Extraneus]

It's not the consumers' fault that they're given a bunch of beaters to choose from.

Fair enough. Still, the modern American electorate elevated a singularly unprepared, unqualified and unpatriotic man to the presidency. McCain ran a pathetic campaign, and I can hardly stand him, but he was none of those things.

People somehow thought Obama should be president. That was clearly horseshit.

[maryrose]

sbw:
Excellent advice. It is the process of looking inward that traps the suffering person. You have to get out of yourself and work or be with others that gives you an increased positive sense of self.
My dad gave me great advice that I used throughout my careeras a counselor. "People like to talk about themselves. become a good listener and learn their story.
"

[maryrose]

EXT:
The first time Obama won I thought ok maybe we can survive this. The second time he won I was in shock that so many people failed to see through him and his lies. Then I discovered by his strong-armed tactics wrt the IRS and using data-mining and voter fraud he stole the next election. I don't consider him the President. He just a guy who screws up and gives the presidency a bad name.He is useful comiserate with the harm he inflicts on the dem brand.

[Captain Hate]

I'm also sorry that I have to come down hard on Romney, who is a good man and I believe shared a lot of Reagan's optimism about the country. In fact around the first debate he made the best defense of the free market system since Reagan. He just didn't convince enough people and deserves to be judged accordingly.

[BB Key]

Ex, Didn't Pelosi visit Assad while W was in office?

[jimmyk]

You have to get out of yourself

Agreed, sbw and maryrose. I just don't know the cause and effect. People who have the ability to respond to depression by turning outward and helping others may have a residue of strength that others who just suffer lack. I've had a sibling who is stuck, and I've tried to suggest doing things--find a soup kitchen to help at, etc.--but she is too overwhelmed to pull herself out. Fortunately I don't think she is suicidal, though she is wasting her life away.

[Captain Hate]

Fair enough. Still, the modern American electorate elevated a singularly unprepared, unqualified and unpatriotic man to the presidency. McCain ran a pathetic campaign, and I can hardly stand him, but he was none of those things.

People somehow thought Obama should be president. That was clearly horseshit.

McCain ran an absolutely horrible campaign and his dimwitted staff squandered the opportunity that selecting Sarah Palin gained them by torpedoing her at every opportunity. At the beginning of 2008 I couldn't understand why Rush and others disliked McCain so much; by the time the election was over I was surprised anybody could stand the sight of him.

Plus the electorate was still enamored with 404's convention speech from 2004. I recently went back and read the text and saw what a complete pack of opportunistic lies it was.

[Ignatz]

Why yes, yes she did;

[Exasperated]

Appropriately so, we called Bill Clinton a pussy, too.

[Extraneus]

I still blame the electorate, but mostly the women in the electorate. It's not like men are falling for these lying frauds.

In 1996 Bill Clinton raked in 11 percentage points more women than men, 54% of all women and 43% of all men voted for Clinton. The only other president to get a higher women vote was Barack Obama with 56%.[4] This gap has serious significance. Bill Clinton won with 49.2% of the popular vote or 47 million votes. Fifty-four percent of all women voters voted for Bill Clinton. While men were split 43% Clinton, 44% Dole and 10% Perot. The Clinton – Dole divide was insignificant among men, only 1 percentage point. However among women that gap is 54% of women voting for Clinton to 38% of women voting for Dole. In terms of votes that is 11 million votes. Bill Clinton defeated Bob Dole with just over 8 million votes.[1][5]

[Captain Hate]

Yes I remember seeing shots of the dhimmi witch and thinking "what an embarrassment". Contrast that to when Oriana Fallaci, whom the left hated, interviewed Khomeini:

OF- I still have to ask you a lot of things. About the "chador," for example, which I was obliged to wear to come and interview you, and which you impose on Iranian women. [...] I am not only referring to the dress but to what it represents, I mean the apartheid Iranian women have been forced into after the revolution. They cannot study at the university with men, they cannot work with men, they cannot swim in the sea or in a swimming-pool with men. They have to do everything separately, wearing their "chador." By the way, how can you swim wearing a "chador"?

AK- None of this concerns you, our customs do not concern you. If you don't like the islamic dress you are not obliged to wear it, since it is for young women and respectable ladies.

OF- This is very kind of you, Imam, since you tell me that, I'm going to immediately rid myself of this stupid medieval rag. There

It's called self-respect, Pelosi.

[jimmyk]

Any male who behaves toward women the way Clinton did (sexual assault, taking advantage of power over a 22-year-old intern, etc.) is not a 'man' in any real sense, just a loathsome predator.

[Danube on iPad]

I've seen deranged, delusional, dishonest, dishonorable and others. How about "cowardly?"

[Extraneus]

Here's Kerry and the little woman dining with the Assads in 2009. No chadors.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/10283045/John-Kerry-and-Bashar-al-Assad-dined-in-Damascus.html