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September 05, 2014


Jim Eagle


Jim Eagle

Turkey is part of the coalition so its already an unserious approach with a spy in its mist. Where are the Arabs? Erdogan himself is close to wanting to run for the top position in the caliphate.

Thomas Collins

Was it Obama hearing from Cameron, Abbott et al, or from Axelrod and Plouffe, that was the key. I'm guessing Axelrod and Plouffe. In any event, I hope Imam Khameinei's folks have informed Val Jarrett that this is approved, because if not, it'll be walked back as well.

Of course, any approval by Imam Khameinei's folks will be subject to Jarrett having ongoing compliance consultations with said folks to make sure Obama stays within Iranian approved boundaries.

Jim Rhoads f/k/a vnjagvet

Although I know past performance is no assurance of future results, I have my bets that not much will come of this "coalition" will not materialize. I will only believe it when I see it.


OK, since this comment from the last thread was sandwiched between, inter alia, DoT and TK's endless sparring and Beasts getting sexted by Not Stepanie, I'll repost:

OK, a gruesome parlor game:

Say we get hit hard by jihadis here sometime between now and Nov. '16. Say the GOPe holds both houses of Congress. Who is to blame? Or rather who will the public rally around? What will be more important, income inequality, the "war on women," climate change, gay marriage, or closing the border, stopping illegal immigration, and taking the war to the Islamists?

Who is more vulnerable, the big urban blue areas or the remote--armed--red areas re electricity, food, water, and basic necessities?

Who will show steely resolve and leadership, assuming DC is still operable?

Who will start to blame us first and demand that we examine our hegemony, lack of cultural nuance, and/or overt jingoism? Who will proclaim the evils of rallying around our nation?

How will the public respond to such accusations?

Who will level with the country that we are actually at war?

Feel free to tell me to lay off the vino at lunch.

Danube on iPad

Destruct and destroy.

miss Marple


If we see boots on the ground from Canada, Australia, and Britain but NOT the US, we will know Obama basically was threatened or blackmailed into going along.

If we get hit it will go against Obama. The UK has raised their threat level; we have not.

Red areas, if they are hit, are still better able to cope than blue areas. Red areas are full of people who are armed, who help their neighbors, who already have food stored. Blue areas are full of potential looters and people unable to cope.

If we are hit, the blame goes to Obama. There has been too much publicity of his failings, too many golf outings and parties, too many statements HE has made that ISIS is not a serious threat.

Jim Eagle

Marie Harfism of the day: "Wait not Stand Down".

Danube on iPad

"who will the public rally around?"

Hillary. She alone has the experience, and besides it's time for a woman.


Erdogan himself is close to wanting to run for the top position in the caliphate.


How long would Erdogan last if he made that move.

If he did it could be a way to create new leadership in Turkey…

Captain Hate

Camille's tribute to Joan Rivers:


Add Camille to the list of people I'd like to have a conversation with.

miss Marple

Every time I see Marie Harf I have the following reactions:

1. Is this Saturday Night Live?
2. Who gives her wardrobe advice?
3. What must our allies ( or for that matter our enemies) think when they see her on TV?

Jim Eagle

Not TC on a threadmill in a 3 piece suit but even better: Man is this guy agile.



MissM-- disagree with your overgeneralization about 'Red and Blue areas' dealing with calamity. I was in Midtown Manhattan on 9/11, 9/12 so on and so on. Five miles from 'the pile' but it might have been 1,000 miles (except for the smoke plume and the smell... the smell was awful.) Those days saw acts of heroism, leadership and love that any 'Red' area would be rightly proud of. It also saw acts of monumental stupidity, like 2 twenty somethings taking a selfie in an empty Third Avenue with the smoke plume in the background using a disposable camera they bought in the Korean deli. I asked them if they wanted me to take one for them, they giggled sure, I took the disposable and smashed it on the pavement and advised them the smoke was a funeral pyre. Overgeneralization can be misleading.


From the videos I've seen of 404 flapping his jaws with various leaders on this trip - he looks like an absolute fool…as usual but now more so.


Obummer in Wales-- does he look constantly stoned?

miss Marple


I also saw acts of heroism that day, no slight intended.

I was asked about disruption of food supplies and such. On that question, I direct you to the results of the Los Angeles earthquake back in the 90's, when the citizens didn't know what to do without disposable diapers or where to get their welfare checks, or New Orleans during Hurricane Katrina's aftermath.


We will follow ISIS to the Gates of Hell Stonehenge.


Plan A:

"...I want to kill people. I want to rip their stomachs out and eat their children."

- Iron Mike

Danube on iPad

In addition to NK's point, I don't think there's a material difference in the character of the people in a state that hoes 48-46 Dem and one that goes 48-46 GOP.

Thomas Collins

I'm with DOT on this one, lyle. The Hill is going to market herself as the kind but stern Grandma. Kind on entitlement program issues, stern to the enemies.

I hope that doesn't push your vino imbibing to the imprudent zone!

Thomas Collins

You've given me something to train for, JiB!


If you're right, TC, I'll be drinking every lunch rather than two or three times a year. Imprudently.


Report: NFL Officials Asked Teams To Consider Signing Michael Sam To Practice Squad

According to NBC’s Peter King and ESPN’s Stephen A. Smith, NFL officials called teams around the league to gauge interest in signing Michael Sam to their practice squad.

Yesterday, the Dallas Cowboys signed Sam, who is trying to become the first openly gay player in NFL history.

King reported this during the pre-game show on NBC prior to the Seahawks/Packers season opener Thursday night.

“The Rams waived Michael Sam, the first openly gay player trying to make an NFL roster, he was unemployed for two days,” King said. “During that time a league official contacted multiple teams asking if they had evaluated Sam as a probable practice squad player.”

“Now Sam and the NFL avoided a nightmare situation when he signed with the practice squad of the Dallas Cowboys.”

This report, that is surely to upset other players vying for NFL practice squads around the league, was initially reported by ESPN’s Stephen A. Smith on yesterday’s edition of “First Take.”

Jim Eagle

I take exception: Hillary Clinton will never be POTUS. Never.

I heard Neal Boortz for a year and a half back in 06 and 07 rant how she was the biggest shoe in since FDR's 3rd term because of the vote of single women. Who won?

That voting block is overblown and today makes even less sense.

But then I always thought the first black POTUS would be a republican. So what do I know?


Truck loaded with undocumented immigrants chased into Bexar County

SAN ANTONIO -- Five people are on the run and 11 people are in custody after a high-speed chase, that stretched over 100 miles, ended in San Antonio early Friday morning. Once stopped, officers found a underage girl behind the wheel.

Hey, ho, we won't go.


Want some butter with that?

Round two: Team Clinton book ratchets up attack on Obama's 'feckless' policies

Less than a month after former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton distanced herself from President Obama by ridiculing his foreign policy, a key member of the Clinton kitchen cabinet is out with a new book that slams U.S. policy as “muddled, irresolute, and even feckless.”

Doug Schoen’s double-barreled blast at Obama in the new book, The Russia-China Axis: The New Cold War and America’s Crisis of Leadership, is the latest sign that Clinton’s team will throw Obama under the bus if that’s what it takes to get her into the White House.

“President Obama’s America is a passive, confused and ineffective superpower,” opens the book.

In the searing critique, Schoen, a polling giant who aided Bill Clinton’s reelection, and co-author and journalist Melik Kaylan argue that Obama hasn’t just been one of the weakest presidents in decades, but is putting the United States in danger.

Jim Eagle

Uh oh!

I see a big payday for this offering: A 1953 Pontiac Sky Chief Woodie Wagon - on of the super ultimate surfer mobiles. I might have to check the bucket list and portfolio:)


Danube on iPad

Calling Holder and Sharpton:



Epic beclowning of itself as GQ names Kim Kardassian Woman of the Year.
What are the criteria?
Most cubic liters of gluteal fat?
Husband with the biggest head in the world?
Highest number of embarrassing selfies in history?


I just want to say that I'm thrilled that Janet is back, and to remind everyone of the Benghazi special tonite.

Oh and how much is a model T worth today?


Does anyone have any confidence this WH and the Euroweenies won't screw this up?

What moderates are we going to support in Syria? The Free Syrian Army which apparently ran its own torture chamber and slaughterhouse for Christians just as IS did?

Secondly what are we telling the world with our no boots on the ground policy apparently anywhere?
1. Little brown people's lives are much cheaper than ours.
2. And even worse; there isn't much we're willing to die for. Please attack us.


GQ beclowned themselves years ago.


Secondly what are we telling the world with our no boots on the ground policy apparently anywhere?

Our military men would kick your asses if we unleashed them, but Democrats don't do that. Please contribute to Hillary's credit-card based donation website.


Model Ts aren't worth too much Jane, usually under $20,000.
There were millions of them made and they are almost impossibly hard to drive; if one were to actually take one out on the road where they can't get out of their own way.


I have to side with MM on the blue hell v red states situations if the shit hits the fan--not based on the character of the inhabitants, but on what they have access to.

When Hurricane Hugo took away our power for fourteen days, I had no hot water, no heat (didn't need it--could have used AC/fans most days), no way to cook except our grill.

This "civilized" life we lead in cities and suburbia--a very thin veneer. We decided then and there we'd be getting a nuclear reactor for our crawl space just as soon as one becomes available. (And they almost are--mainly for Alaskan towns, I believe, being developed by Japanese.)

Because of that, when all the hoopla arose re: Y-2K, we headed north to the lake for New Years--where we have a wood stove and plenty of downed wood nearby, a lake full of water, and a gas stove. Plus the nearby stores have far more food per person in the county for the winter population.
Would have been far better off there than waiting for FEMA to save us here.


Thanks Iggy. My cousin had one in her garage in Maine - and she said the same thing. She also had a car from 1953 that she said was worth much more. I thought that was odd.


Re: blue hell v red states

Obama is toast. His supporters are left either reveling in free stuff or talking about global warming. There is no coming back. If we survive - it will be the red guys who make it - just look at what we've been thru the last 5 years.

The thought of Jeb (who I respect) makes me want to throw up. I don't want Mitt either, but I think he would be a good president and keep us safe (if that is ever possible again).


Cars from the fifties and sixties are bringing large premiums these days as aging baby boomers try to recapture their youth before coming to a halt, tipping over and dying. :)

Old Lurker

Jeb makes me want to, too, Jane.


That trillion $ treasure trove under Afghanistan will only bring peace and prosperity with "strong public institutions, equitable redistribution of revenues, environmental planning and investment in education, scientific institutions and human resources" according to Marcia McNutt, current big cheese at Science magazine and Barry's former chief of the USGS.
Why with those goals Afghanistan will be as prosperous as Tanzania in a matter of months.
I'm sure the Chinese and Indians will give the Afghanis all the peace and prosperity they can stand.



I was born in the 50's and I do not remember a car that looked like this. Then again by the time I would notice it was probably old news.


Mitt would be a pleasant, well-managed place-holder for the next radical Dem to build upon once he'd given us a kinder and gentler Leviathan.

We might as well elect Hillary and just get it over with as another good natured Republican with a "kick me and BTW, have you been served" sign on his back.

If the GOP can't nominate a counterbalance to the left wing creep currently wrecking the country then of what use is it?


Do you happen to know the make and model Jane?


I don't Iggy. I did, but I can't remember.


count the category errors here:


Danube on iPad

"of what use is it? "

Think federal judiciary. Think Hillary replacing Scalia, Thomas and Kennedy.


poor timing, the Indian Mujadeen are in this company.



This is an interesting tweet and I believe it:

Christiane Amanpour @camanpour · 12h

BBC reports Iran Supreme Leader approved cooperation w US against ISIS. Iraq Pres told me yday it’s already happening http://cnn.it/1uCfGHt


The slow painful death by David Souter and John Roberts or the quick merciful one by Ginsburg and Kagan.
Quite a choice.

Jim Eagle


Jim Eagle

Left a post about all the pessimism here and the God's of pessimism deleted it. Have heart people the best is yet to come.

If you think you're right then you should all be doing something about finding and buying Jan's island.


I believe it too Ann. In fact I believe that was always part of the plan. And I also think, in return, we will allow or even help Iran get a nuke.

miss Marple

Well, I am of the opinion that almost any candidate we put up would be a better president than Hillary.

As Danube said, it does make a difference in the court. It also makes a difference in who gets appointed to the cabinet, and most of all, it matters a great deal to me who is leading the military and who is executing foreign policy.

I just due not subscribe to the "no difference" theory in politics.

Comanche Voter

Well Obama is a dumb bastard. When is he willing to step off the golf course and die for his country--or cause somebody else to die for their country?

Oh wait, he's got his finger on the drone killing trigger and he occasionally offs someone.

But he's still a dumb bastard.

Danube on iPad

"Quite a choice."

Souter was a grave (and very predictable) mistake, Roberts somewhat less so. Replace Scalia and Thomas with the likes of Ginsburg and Kagan and you'll find out what a calamity really is.

A great tragedy of the past century was that Republican presidents gave us Warren, Burger, Blackmun, Brennan, Stevens and Souter. We can at least hope that a Jeb or Mitt will make no such mistakes. It is a certainty that Hillary will do so, but she won't consider them mistakes at all.

Jim Eagle

Slaap Lekjker all.

Danube on iPad

RIP left-wing "journalist":

"Bruce Morton, a news correspondent for CBS and then CNN who covered Washington politics with a low-key but authoritative style for more than four decades and who co-hosted a droll morning show and reported on overseas massacres with equal skill, died Sept. 5 at his home in Washington. He was 83."


Mark Levin was talking about how Harry Reid has packed the D.C. court with radicals. What can we do about that?

Anyways, I had to turn it off last night. Doom!


well they certainly don't act like it's a stark choice, they act like a game of lacrosse,


I'll reiterate once more.
The difference between the current GOP and the Dems is a trip over the cliff now in fifth gear with the throttle open or one next week in second with our friend at the wheel smiling as his foot hovers indecisively between the brake and the gas.

I'd rather go over the cliff now with my fingers around Hillary's throat than with Mitt patting my shoulder indulgently.

The best choice of course is a GOP that has actual principles that they do stuff like, I don't know, fight like hell for and fight dirty doing it, but as long as we keep telling them we'll settle for Mitt or Jeb as the less bad alternative, that's what they'll keep serving up.

Either a party emerges very soon that is committed to reversing the course of death we're on or the country is only saved through an insurrection.
Continuing to vote for tax collectors for the welfare state has approximately zero chance of long term success and so seems the least sensible path to me.

And spare me the stuff about an electorate gets what it wants. It gets what the committed passionate leaders lead it into wanting. Those are on the left. The ones on the right either get shouted down or ignored by their own team because they're so embarrassing and refuse to play the game by the left's rules or they get actively hamstrung and sabotaged by the Thadeus Cochrans and other old, sclerotic, senile bulls.


There's not a chance I'll be able to find, much less buy, Jane's island, but I slowly am shoring up what I can to improve my "shelter in place" comforts and capabilities. Does that count? That, and check out expat sites every 5 or 6 weeks. Doesn't mean I think I'm right - it means I think things still can go very very wrong.


Right On, Ig!!!

I love the way you write.


say what?


btw, I read an interview with Del Toro, back in July, he predicted there will probably be 3-5 seasons of the strain,


Iggy, I think you are en fuego tonight.

Old Lurker

Iggy is dead on.

Danube on iPad

"I'd rather go over the cliff now with my fingers around Hillary's throat"

Bravely spoken. Nice sentiment, but you won't. And there won't be an insurrection in my lifetime, and probably not in yours.


A coalition ofUnited States, Britain, France, Australia, Canada, Germany, Turkey, Italy, Poland and Denmark. Ok, let's see;

US, Britain, maybe Poland and Denmark provide fighter jets.

Turkey allows to use their bases.

Australia and Italy ground support troops.

Germany provides spare parts and munitions and intelligence.

Canada will bring fuel. And the French

well they can cook. It seems we got all our bases together.

miss Marple

Let's see. We have a huge terrorist movement which beheads people and crucifixes Christians, which has lots of money, is heavily armed, and is hooking up with the Mexican Drug cartels.

Our southern border cannot even stop children, and we have a wave of people coming through daily, a fair portion of whom are possible terrorists or spies from various enemy countries.

We have a government which has wrecked our economy, destroyed many people's prospects for a happy life, wrecked the health care system, and wants us all to sit in the dark and freeze.

The two other major powers, Russia and China, are actively moving against the US. Israelmis in danger. Iran might get a nuke.

So, all of this is happening in the real world. What should we do?

I do not consider attacking people on our own side to be a helpful strategy. Maybe instead we should figure out ways to instill some courage in the timid members of the GOP.

Eric in Boise

Bori, the French can also provide the white flags to cover the worst-case scenario, as well as supplying some rifles that have only been dropped once.

yeah I know…old joke...

Danube on iPad

"The ones on the right either get shouted down or ignored by their own team because they're so embarrassing and refuse to play the game by the left's rules or they get actively hamstrung"

Can you name a few of those who have been shouted down or ignored who would otherwise be viable presidential candidates?

Jane on Ipad

Bush had a coalition of 38 countries and constantly accused of going it alone.

Eric in Boise

And spare me the stuff about an electorate gets what it wants.

Sorry, but I've always believed in the old saw that the people get the government they deserve, and it troubles me to no end that we (as a nation) don't seem to deserve adult leadership any longer.

Laura White

Dark night evidently. If the fatuous but well-meaning Sean Hannity had not cheapened the sentiment, I would urge you to of be good cheer. 1) God always wins; 2) (closer to our time-frame), in a discernible emergency, the American public will do the right thing, even many of the fabled 47 per cent.


While we wait to find out the particulars of our plane from Afghanistan being forced to land in Iran, here's the UK Mail providing a handy map which shows what countries in the region aircraft are not currently flying over: Qantas refuses to reroute flights to London away from Iraqi airspace in wake of MH17 missile strike

If we add in Iran, and if Putin gets stingy with Russian Airspace, it will get a lot tougher to get to or transit areas of the Middle East that aren't on fire.

Perhaps that's a good thing.

Danube on iPad

"I do not consider attacking people on our own side to be a helpful strategy."

Maybe so. But it happens viciously and with regularity on this very site,


Nothing outstanding to report, but some nice new photos of the Tomb Excavation in Greece:
Amphipolis Greek Tomb Discovery: New Photos of Mosaic Floor and Excavation Released

Obviously well constructed.



Just finished reading your posted link on the HuffPo post. What a load of doody. Short the White man is responsible for the Brown acting barbaric.

Because before the White Man everyone acted in a civilized manner. Is this guy for real?

Laura White

Also, MM, your analogy at (I think) 2:11 yesterday (and last thread) was really acute and astute.

Strawman Cometh

own side

Yes, but DoT. Yours are out their as well. the argument here it is all tactics. I have no question we are on the same side.


this was the piece I mentioned earlier


Strawman Cometh

very site.

Captain Hate

But it happens viciously and with regularity on this very site,

Maybe they're not on our side. Just because somebody has an R associated with his/her name doesn't mean that person is the right candidate. Maybe because of judicial appointments the right thing to do is suck it up and vote for them anyway. But that doesn't mean any of us have to STFU and act happy about it.

miss Marple

Been thinking a lot about this, due to my unfortunate marriage dissolution approaching.

People who can seem to be on our side, who say all the right things, who seem to agree with you on everything, perhaps are not what they seem.

Conversely, those who seem to be boring and wishy-washy may actually be doing courageous things behind the scenes.

I cringe when I see so many people trashed, because it does not encourage them to do what we desire, but rather drives them farther to the left. It seems to me rather like when a child brings home a report card with all A's and one B, and instead of getting praised he hears"what happened that you got that B?

Maybe this is a failing on my part, but I do remember Donald Rumsfeld saying, "You go to war with the army you've got, not the one you wish you had."

We have these people in DC. Some are good, some are bad, and some are just sort of average. We don't know what goes on in closed meetings. We don't know if they or their families are being threatened. We don't know who is corrupt or who is a saint. We only know what we see on TV or on the internet.

Given that we are looking through a glass darkly, I prefer to encourage those who do what seems to be helpful.

And I never believe anything I read about conservatives in the NYT, WaPo, or Politico.


"But it happens viciously and with regularity on this very site."

Internecine bloodletting, pat. pend.

The causes and uses of such self-defeating behavior can be found in "Anti-intellectualism in American Life."

In brief, when one's political position is grounded in high moral principal, there can be no compromise. Just as there is no compromise with the devil.

Thus, conservatives will sit out an election as children might hold their breath.

And now, for something not completely different: DOOM™®


What did Dela Ware?

Precious Little.

She's Estonian.


IRS Scandal Update: IRS says it has lost emails from 5 more employees


Danube on iPad

"Yours are out their as well."

So stipulated. I viciously attacked the Witch lady in Jersey, Claude Kin and Sharron Angle on the grounds that they were so stupid they could not win, and should never have run. They all lost. They're not bad people at all. They were just too stupid to win.


Is that what has been going on, the last four years, not the IRS and OSHA and the DOJ, stepping on the neck of the tea party, there was a little slapping of Crossroads, but not much,

Captain Hate

If DoT is going to point out how candidates on "our side" are trashed here, it's only fair to point out that he did so with Christine O'Donnell, Todd Akin, Richard Mourdoch and Sharron Angle. And maybe more.

That's fine with me because I'm not complaining about it; what we talk about here doesn't mean a damn thing come election day. They lost because they weren't good candidates, just like McCain and Romney.


Posted by: Danube on iPad | September 05, 2014 at 09:43 PM-

Ted Cruz comes to mind. He was knifed in the back over the government shutdown, and true to form, the Obama Administration tinkered with Ocare some more, including in some of the ways Cruz wanted.

How about Scott Walker? Even after the 7th Circuit guts the John Doe lawsuits, he'll probably lose his seat.

Gov. Palin comes to mind as well. I never get tired of pointing out she was probably one of the most popular elected officials in the US at the time she was selected as VP. Her approval ratings bounced around the high 50s to high 70s during her term, in which she had significant support of both Reps and Dems to push through her agenda-reform of the severance tax (further reformed by referendum); the natural gas pipeline (AGIA, now Alaska LNG Project), which will be at completion the biggest construction project in Alaskan history (and at an est of 26 billion quite possibly one of the biggest in the US).

Captain Hate

Missed it by 3 minutes.


How do stupid Democrats win?


It is not Self-defeating behavior for Republicans to woo the 100%, especially when the Wal-Mart EBT bandits are part of that 100%.

Strawman Cometh

Apologies if you mentioned this MarkO. Fed finished amazinglny last night. Two match points saved. then 6-2? Mac's commentary would have gotten him arrested if any AA's were tuned in with the sound on.

Eric in Boise

Daddy, I'm old enough to remember when she wore her New Jersey.



Mitt Romney did not win so he must be too stupid to win.


Arpaio won so he must be smart.

Strawman Cometh

Atleast one could have won if not knifed.

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