I'm just back from a big fundraiser so sober-blogging is out of the question, but drunk-blogging is not my thing either. Obama is speaking, so take your fingers our of your ears (I have!) and listen up! [LINK to text of speech.]
JUST SAYIN': Don't knock those golf outings - Obama managed to appear forceful and confident. By way of contrast, many commentators reviewing Bush's January 2007 "Surge" speech thought Bush appeared, hmm, uncertain. OK, here is Howard Fineman by way of James Joyner:
George W. Bush spoke with all the confidence of a perp in a police lineup. I first interviewed the guy in 1987 and began covering his political rise in 1993, and I have never seen him, in public or private, look less convincing, less sure of himself, less cocky. With his knitted brow and stricken features, he looked, well, scared. Not surprising since what he was doing in the White House library was announcing the escalation of an unpopular war.
MEANWHILE, BACK IN YEMEN: When [Sen. Ted Cruz on Fox] and I are on the same page as Think Progress you know the White House has a problem; from TP:
In arguing that the fight against ISIS will be different than the large-scale wars of the last decade in Iraq and Afghanistan, according to excerpts released by the White House ahead of the address, the president will dismiss the potential for any sort of massive ground force. Instead, he’ll say, the U.S. will depend on using air power and supporting Iraqi, Kurdish, and Syrian rebel forces on the ground through arming and training them as the way to ultimately defeat the militants that have taken over large parts of Iraq and Syria. “This strategy of taking out terrorists who threaten us, while supporting partners on the front lines, is one that we have successfully pursued in Yemen and Somalia for years,” the excerpt reads.
Except this is probably among the least encouraging thing that Obama could possibly say. Yemen and Somalia have been the target of hundreds of U.S. strikes, from not just armed drones, but also Special Forces raids and missiles launched from nearby ships. After nearly 13 years of using the authority granted to President George W. Bush to destroy al Qaeda in 2001, the United States is still trying to prevent the spread of terror in those countries, making the odds that the fight against ISIS will be a short one extremely low.
Well, Obama needs a victory lap after whacking out the leader in Somalia.
NOT THAT YOU DIDN'T GUESS... Obama's speech is getting murdered on Fox News and buried on MSNBC. Maybe both CNN viewers are supportive...
NOT BEING A CONSTITUTIONAL AUTHORITY LIKE OBAMA: From the speech:
So ISIL poses a threat to the people of Iraq and Syria, and the broader Middle East – including American citizens, personnel and facilities. If left unchecked, these terrorists could pose a growing threat beyond that region – including to the United States. While we have not yet detected specific plotting against our homeland, ISIL leaders have threatened America and our allies.
Obama can take us to war under his CinC authority despite the absence of an imminent threat?
core principal of his presidency. If you threaten American you will find no safe haven.
Posted by: peter | September 10, 2014 at 09:07 PM
Principle, I meant to type
Posted by: peter | September 10, 2014 at 09:07 PM
WOW! First.
Posted by: MaryD | September 10, 2014 at 09:08 PM
Well. so far this is a big nothing-burger of a speech.
Now asking for MORE MONEY.
Posted by: Miss Marple | September 10, 2014 at 09:08 PM
We'll finally get that security ...
Posted by: The Ghost of Chris Stevens | September 10, 2014 at 09:08 PM
chairing a meeting of the UN security council.
Posted by: peter | September 10, 2014 at 09:09 PM
but, but Islam is a religion of peace ...
Posted by: The last thing Chris Stevens was thinking | September 10, 2014 at 09:10 PM
This speech is not going to make Americans feel safer.
Posted by: glasater | September 10, 2014 at 09:10 PM
Yeah, that Security Council meeting will be a real scarey thing for ISIS.
Posted by: Miss Marple | September 10, 2014 at 09:10 PM
1st--airstrikes. We will hunt down terrorists wherever they are, Syria too
2nd--we will support ground forces, with troops, who will have to have permission slips to go to the bathroom.
Give me money Congress.
3rd--we will continue to draw on our substantial counter intelligent resources. The one that made me think ISIL was a JV team.
4th--we will support the refugees with humanitarian efforts
NOT ONE WORD ABOUT CLIMATE CHANGE! How can he leave out our number one problem???
Posted by: anonamom | September 10, 2014 at 09:11 PM
Michelle Malkin makes a good point.. LUN
Posted by: peter | September 10, 2014 at 09:11 PM
Jane is doing some excellent liveblogging on the old thread.
Posted by: Porchlight | September 10, 2014 at 09:12 PM
As the Boston Globe said of the only other president who comes close:
More mush from the wimp.
Posted by: anonamom | September 10, 2014 at 09:13 PM
How many Americans will listen to this dreck? Cops reruns are more likely to stop ISIS.
Posted by: henry | September 10, 2014 at 09:14 PM
Dear God, I'm glad I'm listening to music.
Posted by: Captain Hate on the iPad | September 10, 2014 at 09:15 PM
I think he is insane.
Posted by: Centralcal on iPad | September 10, 2014 at 09:15 PM
transcript ...
http://heavy.com/news/2014/09/obama-isis-speech-transcript-video-september-10-2014/
Posted by: rich@gmu | September 10, 2014 at 09:15 PM
Ooops wrong thread. Oh well.
Posted by: Jane | September 10, 2014 at 09:17 PM
Tkuuuuu for the live blogging! Jane, Anonamom, and anyone else from the last thread, your add-ons are hilarious!
Posted by: BR | September 10, 2014 at 09:17 PM
Hey, Cantralcal, did you like the part at the end when he starts emoting like he's been coached by Alec Baldwin?
I despise him.
Ed Henry reporting aides said he only decided to get tough the last couple of days. Well, that certainly makes me feel better.
Henry also says this is a mulligan.
Posted by: Miss Marple | September 10, 2014 at 09:17 PM
Garbo Laughs :)

Posted by: BR | September 10, 2014 at 09:17 PM
He sucks.
Posted by: Jane | September 10, 2014 at 09:17 PM
Jane,
Succinct and astute observation at 9:17.
Posted by: Miss Marple | September 10, 2014 at 09:18 PM
Is it over already?
Posted by: BR | September 10, 2014 at 09:18 PM
BR,
Yes, it is over, because God is a merciful God.
Posted by: Miss Marple | September 10, 2014 at 09:19 PM
August 8th--JEF says the Syrian opposition guys area bunch of doctors, dentists, lawyers.
Now he's telling us that they will be the ground troops.
I'm going to sleep so much better tonight, knowing he's got the big picture and is on top of it all.
Posted by: anonamom | September 10, 2014 at 09:21 PM
Go the dreck is ended.
Thanks be to God
Posted by: Captain Hate on the iPad | September 10, 2014 at 09:21 PM
Well, we'll have the last laugh, then :)
Garbo Laughs with sound :)
Posted by: BR | September 10, 2014 at 09:21 PM
The evil eye should just STFU.
It is painful to listen to him, because you know everything he says is a lie...
Posted by: Sandy Daze | September 10, 2014 at 09:23 PM
We don't care for Megyn's hair either. I think she's got extensions.
Posted by: anonamom | September 10, 2014 at 09:23 PM
>>>Now let’s make two things clear: ISIL is not “Islamic.” No religion condones the killing of innocents, and the vast majority of ISIL’s victims have been Muslim. And ISIL is certainly not a state.<<<
can't believe he actually said that ... was joking early that he would say something like that ... so there you go.
(and isn't this a classic example of the No True Scotsman fallacy).
Posted by: rich@gmu | September 10, 2014 at 09:24 PM
anonamom, I got extensions once, to make my hair look thicker.
AWFUL. Uncomfortable and after a while I was creeped out by having someone else's hair on my head, so I had my beautician take them out.
Posted by: Miss Marple | September 10, 2014 at 09:25 PM
Is he having a meltdown and everybody's pretending he's not? Because that's how it seems to me judging from the disconnect his words have with reality.
Posted by: Captain Hate on the iPad | September 10, 2014 at 09:25 PM
He sounds like a 4th rate wanna be actor auditioning for the role of President.
And bombing, miserably. Great orator?
HA HA HA HA snort choke gag
Posted by: Centralcal on iPad | September 10, 2014 at 09:26 PM
or he's channeling Voltaire (had to look that up)
odd my other comments have vanished.
Posted by: rich@gmu | September 10, 2014 at 09:26 PM
Well, I stand by my prediction. This was a big flop.
And the pundits are trying to pull a lot of theorizing from a few phrases that weren't ridiculous, like most of the speech.
Posted by: Miss Marple | September 10, 2014 at 09:29 PM
>>>Posted by: Captain Hate on the iPad | September 10, 2014 at 09:25 PM<<<
It looks to me that he is in month 2 of a 3 month coke binge.
It looked like his make up artists caked on the concealer on the right side of his face to hide a bruise. Maybe The Klingon Warrior Princess slugged him because he is screwing up so badly.
Posted by: rich@gmu | September 10, 2014 at 09:30 PM
Britt Hume is on a tear. You have to love him.
Posted by: Jane | September 10, 2014 at 09:32 PM
http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2014/09/what-do-they-know-what-we-dont.html
Pictures are interesting.
Posted by: Miss Marple | September 10, 2014 at 09:32 PM
CH, what's on the victrola tonight?
Posted by: Dave (in MA) | September 10, 2014 at 09:32 PM
Surgical incisions to cure a metastasized cancer.
Sounds like that will work just fine.
Posted by: Eric in Boise | September 10, 2014 at 09:34 PM
Yes, that look doesn't work for Megyn, comeon did we expect him to get a clue?
Posted by: narciso | September 10, 2014 at 09:34 PM
from Rich's link -
This strategy of taking out terrorists who threaten us, while supporting partners on the front lines, is one that we have successfully pursued in Yemen and Somalia for years.
Did he end up really saying that?
I missed listening because I figured it would start 20 minutes late.
Posted by: Janet - the districts lie fallow, while the Capitol gorges itself | September 10, 2014 at 09:36 PM
"ISIL is not Islamic".
The 'I' stands for "Pro-Life Tea Party Lutherans" or something.
Posted by: Dave (in MA) | September 10, 2014 at 09:37 PM
Oh, and Mr Maguire:
sober-blogging is out of the question
Pro tip: you're not really drunk if you can lie on the floor without holding on.
Posted by: Eric in Boise | September 10, 2014 at 09:38 PM
more from the speech:
>>>Our objective is clear: we will degrade, and ultimately destroy, ISIL through a comprehensive and sustained counter-terrorism strategy.<<<
clear objective -> degrade ... not unlike the Clinton Administration degrading Saddam's capabilities with the NFZs and degrading bin Laden's capabilities with cruise missile strikes.
wouldn't a "clear object" be like a strong, simple declarative sentence.
"We will destroy them."
clear, to the point ...
another thing I was thinking about ... wasn't one of the anti-war criticisms during the Bush Administration was that eliminating Saddam would deliver Iraq to Iranian hands. Now that we are gone and Obama is in charge isn't that what Obama himself is doing ... delivering Iraq to Iranian hands (which I think will fail ultimately). anyway, don't think I have that thought out all the way.
Posted by: rich@gmu | September 10, 2014 at 09:39 PM
20 minutes late? Don't be silly, there's no golf at night.
Posted by: Dave (in MA) | September 10, 2014 at 09:40 PM
It was probably pre-recorded, canned, that's the only way he could be on time.
Posted by: BR | September 10, 2014 at 09:43 PM
Dave, I was listening to disc 3 of the Barry Guy New Orchestra Small Groups "Mad Dogs" and now I'm listening to an old Keith Tippett Group "Dedicated to You But You Weren't Listening".
Posted by: Captain Hate on the iPad | September 10, 2014 at 09:43 PM
I want the American people to understand how this effort will be different from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. It will not involve American combat troops fighting on foreign soil. This counterterrorism campaign will be waged through a steady, relentless effort to take out ISIL wherever they exist, using our air power and our support for partners’ forces on the ground."
Posted by: Dave (in MA) | September 10, 2014 at 09:43 PM
Janet-
He did say that towards the end of the speech. The definition of winning when the strategy consists of Yemen and Somalia (or we might as well go home). It was also part of the early release of the text.
YIKES!!!
Posted by: rich@gmu | September 10, 2014 at 09:44 PM
I suspect that this incredibly inspiring speech by the President will rally scores of social workers to his aid.
Posted by: Neo | September 10, 2014 at 09:44 PM
Why did Obummer have to lead off this speech with getting out of Afghanistan.
That's going to be another statement he'll have to walk back.
Posted by: glasater | September 10, 2014 at 09:45 PM
A falseness was inherent in almost every word that came out of his mouth. I don't believe what he says and I don't believe he believes what he says.
Posted by: daddy | September 10, 2014 at 09:46 PM
rich, he has looked out of it for a long time. First Preznit to OD in office?
Posted by: Captain Hate on the iPad | September 10, 2014 at 09:46 PM
Yikes, that's my line, Rich, as the interlocutor in this new Iraqi govt, we have Jaafari as foreign minister, the one that put the Shia militias in the cabinet.
Posted by: narciso | September 10, 2014 at 09:48 PM
I've been listening to a lot of King Crimson in anticipation of seeing the latest incarnation (a 7-piece with a 3 drummer front line) when they hit Boston next week. They are revisiting repertoire that they've not played for 40 years, including some stuff from the album that Keith Tippett played on.
Posted by: Dave (in MA) | September 10, 2014 at 09:48 PM
The Black Hawk Down strategy.... :(
Posted by: Janet - the districts lie fallow, while the Capitol gorges itself | September 10, 2014 at 09:48 PM
The comparison to Yeman and Somalia blew my mind. As did the reference to Isis not being Islamic.
Gimme a break.
Posted by: Jane | September 10, 2014 at 09:48 PM
Good: started on time, only 15 minutes long.
Bad: just about everything else.
Look, you can't run a war on opinion polls. Either you're willing to do what it takes . . . or not. If you start with "no boots on the ground," what your enemy hears is: "not." I don't have any idea what he's actually going to do, but the goal here was to impress, and he didn't.
Posted by: Cecil Turner | September 10, 2014 at 09:48 PM
sober-blogging is out of the question
On a whim, I went to the archives to see what Tom posted on this date last year. It's surprisingly apropos:
September 10, 2013
Live From DC...
Live from DC, it's Tuesday night! I can't wait to hear Obama's latest brainwave at 9 Eastern. The NY Times attempts to annotate the laughtrack and includes this:
Yeah, its up to Congress to keep up the pressure. While Team Obama pretends the Russians and Syrians are serious.
Posted by: AliceH | September 10, 2014 at 09:49 PM
"ISIL is not Islamic".
The 'I' stands for "Pro-Life Tea Party Lutherans" or something.
Too funny, Dave!
Posted by: Janet - the districts lie fallow, while the Capitol gorges itself | September 10, 2014 at 09:50 PM
And what was that crap about job creation? It just underscored that this President views national security as a (domestic) political issue, not as an end in itself.
Posted by: Cecil Turner | September 10, 2014 at 09:51 PM
Interesting that he would allude to the "success" of our air campaigns in Yemen and Somalia, and not a peep about the air campaign that ousted the Taliban from power in 90 days.
Complimentary words toward George W. Bush simply cannot pass his lips.
I think this speech is going to get panned.
Posted by: Danube on iPad | September 10, 2014 at 09:51 PM
I've never knowingly listened to a note King Crimson has played but I'll bet a lot of musicians I like were in the group.
Posted by: Captain Hate on the iPad | September 10, 2014 at 09:51 PM
anonamom:

Posted by: Dave (in MA) | September 10, 2014 at 09:53 PM
TM's update is pretty funny.
Posted by: Captain Hate on the iPad | September 10, 2014 at 09:56 PM
Cecil, it'll be fun-like another video game. Yeah, let's call it ISIL Missile.
Posted by: clarice | September 10, 2014 at 09:58 PM
Posted by: Cecil Turner | September 10, 2014 at 09:51 PM-
hadn't seen your comment before I made mine ... I should just pipe down and let everyone else here talk.
Posted by: rich@gmu | September 10, 2014 at 09:58 PM
this is funny...
from the speech - "This strategy of taking out terrorists who threaten us, while supporting partners on the front lines, is one that we have successfully pursued in Yemen and Somalia for years."
Mark W. on FB wrote - "You keep using that word ["successfully"]. I do not think it means what you think it means." (HT - The Princess Bride)
Posted by: Janet - the districts lie fallow, while the Capitol gorges itself | September 10, 2014 at 10:00 PM
Jay Carney who works for CNN says that "Obama has been Relentlessly Aggressive" and "his words were very strong and very aggressive."
Now Donna Bazille says that the Prez laid out a very clear strategy and Congress should be able to have a vote on this.
Anderson Cooper is saying a lot of words but I can't figure out what he thinks.
Newt says that Radical Islam is a worldwide problem equivalent to Ebola.
Jake Tapper is saying that thousands of young men are flocking to ISIL to join up. Says it will be hard to stop the funding of Madrassa's by the Saudi's.
Posted by: daddy | September 10, 2014 at 10:00 PM
Thanks Dave. We lived there then, and my husband deeply regrets not saving the paper from that day.
We could have recycled it tomorrow morning.
Posted by: anonamom | September 10, 2014 at 10:00 PM
lets see if I can rewrite that comment that vanished ...
Posted by: Captain Hate on the iPad | September 10, 2014 at 09:46 PM-
scary thought.
Janet-
Good example and another scary thought.
narciso-
I just borrowed YIKES!!!, you can take it back whenever you need.
[insert something here about the economy part of the speech ... non sequester, offkey ...]
Posted by: rich@gmu | September 10, 2014 at 10:01 PM
I should just pipe down and let everyone else here talk.
I was thinking the same thing.
Posted by: Cecil Turner | September 10, 2014 at 10:01 PM
About me, not you.
Posted by: Cecil Turner | September 10, 2014 at 10:02 PM
My record remains intact, I have not listened to word this partisan lying bastard has said in at least two years. I take I missed not a thing other than avoiding raising my blood pressure?
Posted by: GMax | September 10, 2014 at 10:02 PM
CNN says that people really liked the speech by over 50%.
Said the Dems liked the speech but the Independents and the Repubs were closely matched dislike of the speech.
Posted by: daddy | September 10, 2014 at 10:02 PM
Don't pipe down, rich; an explanation of the Voltaire comment would be appreciated.
Posted by: Captain Hate on the iPad | September 10, 2014 at 10:03 PM
McCain is now on Fox making the point about Obama not leaving a force behind in Iraq.
Posted by: Miss Marple | September 10, 2014 at 10:06 PM
Prayers for the safety of all my fellow JOMers tomorrow, and for the families of those lost 13 years ago. Never forget.
Posted by: peter | September 10, 2014 at 10:06 PM
Just saw a brief clip of the speech. I never watch him on tv because I can't stomach it. I'm pretty shocked at how bad he looked physically.
Posted by: CR | September 10, 2014 at 10:07 PM
Same here Gmax; although reading Jane's
drunklive blogging I can affix his annoying voice and cadence to her script.Posted by: Captain Hate on the iPad | September 10, 2014 at 10:07 PM
CH-
"This agglomeration which was called and which still calls itself the Holy Roman Empire was neither holy, nor Roman, nor an empire."
Posted by: rich@gmu | September 10, 2014 at 10:08 PM
Nytol.
Posted by: Miss Marple | September 10, 2014 at 10:08 PM
Ah thanks rich.
Posted by: Captain Hate on the iPad | September 10, 2014 at 10:09 PM
Wait aren't the Saudis our BFF's (sarc) they wouldn't be funding the madrassas would they,
Somalia's a bad example for another reason, they blame the rise of Al Shabaab on the proxy Ethiopian invasion, that was advised by some Special Forces,
Posted by: narciso | September 10, 2014 at 10:09 PM
CNN says that people really liked the speech by over 50%
I suspect most of those people who say they like it do so because they think it is what we racist warmongers want, which puts us in a bind: either we clamor to support Obama and his new sort-of-like-war footing, or we're hypocrites/racists/clingers. That's wrong all around, of course - but they don't consider that possibility.
Posted by: AliceH | September 10, 2014 at 10:09 PM
Wolf Blitzer on now with "CNN's Team Of Experts."
Jim somebody: The prez was really aggressive tonight.Up until tonite it was just protect US interests and Humanitarian stuff, but now he is going to ramp it up to really go after ISIS, but no US guys--only locals on the ground. It'll be a big Coalition hosted partly by the Saudi's.
Wolf: Did the Prez make his case?
Dem Congressman Schiff: This was just an opening statement, noir a closing argument. The Saudi role will be significant.
Repub Congresswoman Blackburn: He left out a lot that my constituents need to know.
Wolf: Do you buy his argument that he does not need Congress approval?
Repub gal. We would rather see more. The prez currently has all the money he needs. he does not at this time need the extra 500 Million he is asking for. This should not be down quickly.
Dem guy? I have been skeptical to vote for arming the rebels previously so I am still undecided. I want to see what happens with the Saudi's and the Coalition.
Wolf Blitzer: Sounds like neither one of you are yet ready to vote for the funding.
Posted by: daddy | September 10, 2014 at 10:10 PM
Yep AliceH, Bobby Fischer 404 has checkmated us again. Welp he's got the jooooo hating down pat...
Posted by: Captain Hate on the iPad | September 10, 2014 at 10:12 PM
Posted by: Cecil Turner | September 10, 2014 at 10:02 PM-
I found that econ part of the speech really weird. The intro was about a statement about the 9/11 attacks, then he launched into this:
>>>Next week marks 6 years since our economy suffered its worst setback since the Great Depression. Yet despite these shocks; through the pain we have felt and the grueling work required to bounce back – America is better positioned today to seize the future than any other nation on Earth.
Our technology companies and universities are unmatched; our manufacturing and auto industries are thriving. Energy independence is closer than it’s been in decades. For all the work that remains, our businesses are in the longest uninterrupted stretch of job creation in our history.<<<
Forgetting that most of those statements are false, I don't see how it has anything to do with a national security crisis (and one of mostly his making ... didn't he draw then undraw red lines all over Syria, now to prop up Assad he is going to start bombing ISIS ... good grief).
Posted by: rich@gmu | September 10, 2014 at 10:13 PM
Thanks CH for asking and thanks Rich for answering re: Voltaire allusion. I wrongly assumed it was a reference to Candide and "Best of all possible worlds". Woops!
Posted by: AliceH | September 10, 2014 at 10:15 PM
Wolf: Did the Prez convince the American people?
Tapper. The American people were already there, so they are in support of calling for strikes and no boots on the ground. The question is the details of the plan that we did not hear. That's the work in progress that we ned to know hear.
Gloria Borger: lets step back. The Prez did not want to give this speech tonite. he then came in and said that this might go on for years so this was a difficult speech for the Prez to give. He was in a difficult position.
Wolf: Did the Armed Fiorces get the clarity they needed and wanted.
General Herting: You want us to expand into a country that is having a Civil war, to train rebels for that, to bomb pin point targets. I think it was a clear mission given to the Generals tonite.
Posted by: daddy | September 10, 2014 at 10:16 PM
Posted by: narciso | September 10, 2014 at 10:09 PM-
iirc The Pentagon's New Map, Barnett predicted that Islamic terrorism over the course of the war on terror would migrate to Africa as domestic and international pressure built to shut down terror networks. Can't say the administration wasn't warned.
Posted by: rich@gmu | September 10, 2014 at 10:17 PM
He's just asking for the funding so that when we get hit, he can blame it on that evil congress that wouldn't give him the money...
Posted by: Stephanie accidentally OnT? | September 10, 2014 at 10:17 PM
AliceH-
oddly it is a formulation that my dad sometimes makes as a joke and a verbal tick I picked up ...
Posted by: rich@gmu | September 10, 2014 at 10:20 PM
Jay Cost goes through the NBC/WSJ poll in some detail. No real surprises, but his insight is always good and worth the read:
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/poll-offers-brutal-news-obama-democrats_804700.html?nopager=1
Posted by: GMax | September 10, 2014 at 10:23 PM
So, Libya redux. We arm the Ali Babas again but with much bigger prizes for those who prevail. I thought we worked a bit on "training" the Iraqi Army whose performance is surpassed only by the French when facing the Wehrmacht? Will the militia training focus on wind sprints or are we going for marathon type endurance?
Posted by: Rick B | September 10, 2014 at 10:23 PM
"...America is safer."
safer?...than when?...or because of what?
America is safer...than when Bush was President?
America is safer...now that we have open borders?
America is safer...now that Libya is in chaos?
America is safer...because I released 5 terrorist leaders from Gitmo?
Posted by: Janet - the districts lie fallow, while the Capitol gorges itself | September 10, 2014 at 10:23 PM
Stephanie-
Or he figures that with the policy being debated in Congress he won't have to do much of anything. His existing authorities (resolution on AQ and the AUMF regarding Iraq {which he was trying to get Congress to revoke, weird}) probably give him enough latitude to bomb whatever ISIS targets present themselves anywhere in the world where rubble makes no trouble.
Posted by: rich@gmu | September 10, 2014 at 10:23 PM
Wolf played a clip of McCain earlier tonite going after Jay Carney and the conversation getting a bit heated.
Carney obviously now trying (with McCain gone) to support the President. Has brought up Bush a bit and blamed the drawdown on Bush all over again. Wolf asks him if it would have made a difference if the US troops in Iraq had not been drawn down. I feel stupider for listening to Carney and Wolf. That's all I can take. What a mess of a network.
Posted by: daddy | September 10, 2014 at 10:24 PM