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September 12, 2014



I know you were AF, man and boy, Jack and in an international engineering outfit but somehow it seems like no matter what country, you've been there.

I'm tempted to start naming random ones:

Jeff Dobbs

embracing Gov. Bobby Jindal’s proposal

Yeah, but there's something about some 100% that really needs to be said here.

Jim Eagle

He could be talking about of Yogakarta instead, but doutful.

The only representation there is in the puppet shows.


1960s parental discipline.. ah that brings me back.

My dad's slipper was size 9, but he tremendous slipperhead speed with his popeye like carpenter forearms, so the pain was sharp and lingering. The sound of the slipper hitting flesh was far worse than the pain though. if he was in work shoes, he let me off easy using his 30inch waist belt.

My dad only took a switch to me once. We lived in a queens garden apartment and on one of our trips to lake george, coming back down the NYS thruway, he dug up s new msple tree sappling and transplanted it into the yard in front of the apartment. He loved tha little maple and cared for it until it grew into a 10 ft healthy young tree. One summer night when I was 12 or so I pissed him off enough by not coming inside at bed time despite repeated whistles, he ran out in his boxers, ripped a small branch off the maple, took off the leaves and swung away like one of the 3 musketeers. Ouch.



When was he mentioned??

Thanks for covering while I was gone, hit.


--If my grandmother couldn't get to a switch, the fly swatter worked just as well.

Posted by: Sue | September 12, 2014 at 06:12 PM --

OMG, I forgot all about that til you said it. Now that I think about it I got more swats than switchins.

Thanks for the memories.... :)

Danube on iPad

Lemme get this straight. We're at war with ISIS, but we can only attack them in Iraq. Did FDR have to get further authority to attack the Japanese on Gudalcanal? To attack Germans in France?

War sure ain't what it used to be.

Captain Hate

I am likewise impressed by the breadth of JiB's travels.

Jim Eagle

Nope. Only African countries were Egypt and SA for long visiits. Never been to China, Oz or NZ either, Most of SA an Europe and lots of time in the sand box. Caribbean. Never been to Alaska but lived in Canada, Greenland and Icelamd as a kid.

Spent lots of time in Guam and Thailand but not VN:)


My pop was 6'4", who but for WW2 and the depression probably would have been at least a college level pitcher, so his slipper slider was Goose Gossage caliber, although I could outrun him and his wrath was extremely short lived so I did avoid no small number of deserved corrections.
Perhaps if I had been slower I'd be a better citizen today.


I was lucky. My dad was a Texas Golden Gloves (heavyweight), his first spank put me off his lap into the wall. No more spanking or switches for us after that.

Captain Hate

I likewise deserved every spanking or switching that I got and then some. Mother Hate was easy to deal with but Father Hate put the immediate fear of God in me.


Ignatz-- I was slow, dad could catch me every time, and the longer I evaded, the more .... ehr... rigorous his parenting. I was mostly a good boy...mostly.


We lived next to a dairy barn. Lots of flies. And lots of fly swatters. There was always one within her reach. We lived next door to my grandparents and we were at her house as much as we were at ours. She spanked us. Gleefully, I might add. ::grin::

Rick B

Pew plays hide the ball but still makes the rationale for Operation Polling Thunder painfully obvious. Some noticed the President's interjection of happy clappy economic fantasy in a FoPo speech and Pew provides the reason for that as well.

The hidden ball lies in Pew highlighting the RV generic rather than the LV generic and somehow neglecting to provide any insight into the leanings of the Independents who made up the plurality of the respondents. It is very likely the reason for failing to include the Independents is that they track the Republicans this time around.

Pew doesn't want to make the Searchlight Pederast and Queen Botox cry.


My daddy only spanked me 2x. Both times with his belt. Neither one really hurt me but both broke my heart. I was a daddy's girl. He never spanked any of us when he was angry. And he never threatened. You got one warning. Period.

Jim Eagle

Being brought up in a military household is a little differnt.

You learn to make your bed and fold you clothes and keep everything tight.

You also learn manners (heh, what are those?) and say Yes Sir amd Yes Ma'am and Thank you and Please.

You were a gig line when dressed (CT and DoT can explain:)

You are an oathkeeper at 8.

Nothing more needs to be said.


Brett Baire: On a scale of 1 to 10, how important is Immigration to voters in this November Election?

George Will: 2

The WaPo's Charles lane: 5 to 6

Dr K: Chucks right. 5.5

Jeff Dobbs

Well, if mrs hit and run is being especially naughty...

Wait. What? Oh shoot. Note to self: read for context, read for context, read for context.

Forget I said it. Never happened.


My father was a golden gloves boxer, too, and a fearsome person, but I only remember him hitting me once, and my mother got in the way before he was able to get two shots in.

My mother was a master with the slippers, but by the time she ever got mad enough to try them on me I was like Bruce Lee at blocking and she wasn't ever able to land a direct hit. I remember her biting her thumb in frustration.

My brother wasn't as smart.


We found the JV we were looking for. Bunch of jihadis in a new unit AQ in the Indian Subcontinent attacked an aircraft carrier oops, a Pakistani Frigate in port in Karachi. 3 dead, seven captured, interrogation led to more still on the loose.

Jim Eagle

My mom or dad never touched me they did semd me to a Jesiut school,


War sure ain't what it used to be.

Hence the removal of Congress from the decisions that lead to war.


Jimmy Carter: The Moral Equivalent Of War

John Kerry: The Moral equivalent of an unbelievably small but very significant long-term counterterrorism operation not dissimilar to what we've been doing in Afghanistan and Pakistan and in Yemen and elsewhere...


Pictures of his son's injuries have been released. Fox4 Dallas has them. I don't remember blood being drawn from my switchings.


OMG-- my mom bit her hand in frustration a few times trying to discipline us kids. So it wasn't just her!


Insty lnked to this: advice to conservatives about the Lackwitz Sister voters: http://thefederalist.com/2014/09/12/stop-perpetually-flogging-the-bridget-jones-voter/



why is the dude in the dress wearing Florsheims? Were those the go to shoe for the Greek about town?


I still check my gig line every time I cinch the ol' belt.


--I don't remember blood being drawn from my switchings.--

A mistake is one thing, but I wonder if this is a first incident.


My mother once hit me with a cast iron frying pan. She was pissed.


--Well, if mrs hit and run is being especially naughty...--

Sometimes even supermodels need spanking.

Jeff Dobbs

"When my mother sat me down one day to tell me that Lolo had wanted to spank me for misbehavior, I wasn't surprised and expressed no objections. I did ask her if violence ever solved anything. She didn't immediately grasp my brilliance, but there never were any spankings."
--stuff Obama (could have said he) said, at age 6

Jim Eagle

WOW. we are now discovering NFL players are suspect of drugs and other shit like abuise.


I joke that Mother lined us up in the mornings and went ahead and whipped us to get that chore out of the way. The 3 older ones. Not her baby. She never spanked him. We still tease him about being her favorite. He was.

Beasts of England

So, what does the NFL do re: this incident? Slug your fiancé, you're gone; thrash your kid, _____ ?


It was the wooden spoon--she called it a vazecka-- at my grandma's.
I think my brother got my dad's belt once or twice.

I don't recall ever being hit by an adult, though my mother repeatedly asks if I remember being spanked by her when I allowed my brother to get dirty when we were dressed for church. He was two, I was four.
She certainly ought to feel guilty about that!


Leave for a while and return to tales of parental martial discipline. How does this top sushi on a naked chick? Well, huh?

Danube on iPad

I was never struck by either parent.

Beasts of England

@lyle: I'm sure you realize how difficult it is for me to resist combining the nekkid sushi chick and spankings into a single ribald comment? ;)

Jeff Dobbs

It took a second grand jury to secure the indictment.

Local 2 Investigates has learned the case was taken to one grand jury and the panel decided to taken no action. The prosecutor recently took the case to a second grand jury which handed down the indictment.


That article says his son is 4. Others have said 11. The picture looks like a 4 year old's underwear. Who released the pictures?


Maybe on Sunday the players can walk on the field holding their asses and their cheekbones to show solidarity with the victims.

"Hands up, don't punch!"


From the marks he left on his son it looks like abuse to me. All my switchings did was sting.

Janet - the districts lie fallow, while the Capitol gorges itself

"There was an old woman who lived in a shoe."
By Mother Goose

There was an old woman who lived in a shoe.
She had so many children, she didn't know what to do.
She gave them some broth without any bread;
And whipped them all soundly and put them to bed.


well, I could only get into trouble with buns talk in the context of discussing Knightly and Upton.

Posted by: Thomas Collins

Shoot TC. My discussion of the Platonic Ideal of the Perfect Breast was partly to see if I could rope in the Plato Scholar in you and get you in trouble that way.

Can't wait till we see the Fibonacci sequence on those Caryatids and find out whether Plato was a Pippa,

or a

Kim Kardashian style fan.

Beasts of England

The photos and the description in the police report (or some other official report I saw) are awful. 'Defensive wounds'. I'll stop there. Good grief.



I bet my mother felt like the old woman in the shoe. We were a handful.



Dave (in MA)

Howie Carr, mentioning that Adrian Peterson was indicted in Texas, asked "What'd he do, threaten to veto some legislation?".


well the symmetry seems to be more in the Pippa direction, I would bring up Aspasia, who was certainly more in the Upton pattern to Knightley, then again the character that the Dutchess was based on, was not like Kiera either,

Dave (in MA)

We lived for three months in a paper bag in a septic tank. We used to have to get up at six in the morning, clean the paper bag, eat a crust of stale bread, go to work down the mill, fourteen hours a day, week-in week-out, for sixpence a week, and when we got home our Dad would thrash us to sleep with his belt.

Dave (in MA)

Luxury. We used to have to get out of the lake at six o'clock in the morning, clean the lake, eat a handful of the gravel, work twenty hour day at mill for tuppence a month, come home, and Dad would thrash us to sleep with a broken bottle, if we were lucky!

Dave (in MA)

Well, of course, we had it tough. We used to have to get up out of shoebox at twelve o'clock at night and lick the road clean wi' tongue. We had two bits of cold gravel, worked twenty-four hours a day at mill for sixpence every four years, and when we got home our Dad would slice us in two with the bread knife.


News to me:

Commander Charles Kerchner reports: Breaking News: Obama’s “Dreams” Book U.S. Copyright Form Retroactively Altered/Forged. Paul Irey Presented Evidence on 11 Sep 2014 to a NY Supreme Court Judge in Brooklyn NY re Obama “Dreams” Book U.S. Copyright Document Replaced with a Retroactively Altered and Forged U.S. Copyright Document with Changes Made in it as to Place of Birth for the Author … Obama.

..." will attach half of the pages [Editor's note: Will try to upload copies later] they have at the court so far.  The other half involve proof of who the forger of Obama’s bc was … including proof of her involvement in the forgery of her own bc and the forgery of the US copyright form for Barack Obama’s book … Dreams From My Father … where I believe that the “Citizen of Kenya” part on that form was changed to “Citizen of USA” … that being the purpose of the forgery.  I have a certified copy of this form that Orly Taitz provided … that actually was copied from a fax at the Copyright office.

No fax can be accepted from a publisher as proof of the author of a book.  The “Out of Paper” symbol is on it … that black line with the descending width that only appears on a fax.  I believe a fax was used for the forger to send from Hawaii to someone at the US Copyright office in Wash. DC to be used as a replacement for the original form.  I will also attach the front and back of that form.  You may also be able … as I was … to determine that this is just another document pretending to have been typed on an original form with an old manual typewriter using the same “Elite” typewriter face that is used on the other 2 forged documents … the usurpers bc and the forgers own bc.  Such typewriters were out of use by 1995.  Especially at a NYC publishing form that most likely had even abandoned the IBM electric typewriter by 1995...


Dreams from my Forger...

Dave (in MA)


I had to get up in the morning at ten o'clock at night half an hour before I went to bed, drink a cup of sulphuric acid, work twenty-nine hours a day down the mill, and pay the mill owner for permission to come to work, and when we got home, our Dad and our mother would kill us and dance about on our graves singing Hallelujah.

Dave (in MA)

And you try and tell the young people of today that , they won't believe you.

Miss Marple

Eric Boehler is terrible about catching errors in interviewees. Tom Fowler (black radio talk show host) insisted that Bush went into Iraq before he got approval from Congress. That is simply not true.

The only thing I can think of that explains this is that Fowler equates placing troops in adjacent countries in preparation for invasion "war."

It is not or we would have been at war countless times over the last 50 years.

Boehler didn't even challenge him, either.

Terrible interviewer.

Dave (in MA)
My mom or dad never touched me they did semd me to a Jesiut school,
Where you majored in typing. ;^)

I may have told this story before but who cares I'm waiting for my spaghetti sauce to cook down.
When I was about 11 or 12 it was autumn after the first frost and we had pulled up the tomato plants and there was the usual scattering of green tomatoes that we'd usually just toss on the compost heap.
The county road was about fifty yards distant and about thirty feet below the garden elevation and there was a screen of trees until just before our place.
I thought it would be great sport to begin launching green tomatoes mortar like, timing my round only by the sound of the approaching unseen vehicles. I mean what are the odds of hitting one?
Somewhere about round number six, a particularly large specimen, the odds increased to one as I had the right lane perfectly bracketed and a pickup and my projectile decided to vector to the very same point at the very same time with an appreciable thud.
I know there were at least two barbed wire fences between me and the temporary safe haven on the top of yonder hill I was instantly in flight for but I have no memory of going either through or over them. I suspect like our lunar explorers my feet were only touching down periodically just to keep me floating, only slightly subsonic, to the distant ridgeline.
I found a good low spot in the long golden grass to ponder my fate, assuming the worst; that it had gone through the driver's window or even worse the windshield. It didn't dawn on me that the absence of sirens indicated no one was suffering a sucking tomato chest wound. I shivered in the grass about a half hour or maybe a full one until my brother who hadn't yet achieved his present supernatural evil tracked me down and led me home.
Turned out the parabola of my trajectory was such that I had somehow hit the guys mirror on the far passenger door and he just wanted a new mirror. Just kids being kids or something.

So like Ralphie in A Christmas Story waiting to be massacred by his father after his epic bloodletting with Scut Farkas it slowly dawned on me my parents figured I had scared myself so badly they didn't need to punish me for me to learn my lesson. I just had to pay for the mirror out of my meager allowance.

And so deeply did this effect my moral compass it was more than a week before I walked a quarter mile up our property where a 30 foot bank hung right over the road and I began trying to drop oak balls on to passing cars.
The only thing kids teach themselves is how to get away with it next time.

Dave (in MA)

Under water grottos, caverns
Filled with apes
That eat figs.
Stepping on the figs
That the apes
Eat, they crunch.

The apes howl, bare
Their fangs, dance,
Tumble in the
Rushing water,
Musty, wet pelts
Glistening in the blue.

Beasts of England

Lighten up, Dave! You think you had it hard - I had to wait until the Friday of my 16th birthday week to get my first new car! Not even on my actual birthday! I'll never recover...


I think I'll read those over again Dave. Hilarious.

Miss Marple

Hmph, Beasts.

I didn't have a car in high school because I couldn't take drivers' ed, as I was too young. (I graduated at 17 and the summer before I had to work.)

So then I married and went to live in West Berlin, and the came back when I was 20. I had to pay to take driving lessons when I was 22.

So I didn't have a car until then.

Danube on iPad

I see Orly Taitz is involved....

Beasts of England

Great story, Ig! Why am I not the least bit surprised? ;)

Dave (in MA)

Ignatz: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe1a1wHxTyo You don't need to read.

Beasts of England

I might be kidding, Miss Marple!

I graduated at 17, as well. My Mom said the biggest mistake she ever made was not holding me back in first grade. But, I had straight As, so she couldn't justify it. I'd have been just as immature headed to college at eighteen as I was at seventeen, though. My Dad wanted to put me in the army. Or West Point. Yikes!

Miss Marple

Beasts, When I was a kid the cut-off for your 6th birthday was the first day of school, which that year happened to be my birthday.

So I was the youngest in my class except for a couple of girls who came from the Lutheran grade school.

It really bothered me when I was in high school, but now, when I go to reunions, it is much nicer to be a year younger than almost everyone there!


“There standing astride the road was a towering giant at least ten stories tall with the body of a man and the face of an ape. That’s Hanuman, Lolo said as we circled the statue, the monkey-god. I turned around in my seat, mesmerized by the solitary figure, so dark against the sun, poised to leap into the sky as puny traffic swirled around its feet.

Janet or anyone,

Was this sighting of the 10 story tall Hanuman statue standing astride the road supposed to have taken place in Indonesia?

I don't know the auto-bio's of Obama that well, but currently I am unable to find a 10 story tall Hanuman statue in Indonesia, if that's where this took place. It may exist, but I just can't find it.

There are many tall Hanuman statues in India and and I believe Nepal and probably Sri lanka. Anybody ever located the particular statue that so impressed our little president?


Of course it isn't a war. We don't have thousands of guys leaping out of trenches, running toward machine-gun emplacements.


Joiner, is his name, he is an idiot, Bolling is generally sharper than BillO, Ingraham is better, Bruce slices through them neatly,


I wanted her name front and center, Danube.


Miss Marple

Bolling, not Boehner.

Thanks narciso.

Time for me to go to bed, I think.


--You don't need to read.--

Yeah but when I read it I could understand it.

Yorkshiremen are almost as unintelligible as the No True Scotsman Intends Anyone to Understand Him fallacy.


Howie Kurtz responding to a question on the O'Reilly Show:

The substitute Host Eric from the 5: So Howard do you think, boy how do I put this, does the Media want to see us at War?

Kurtz: I think that's a really unfair charge, as came up on our program and I know Lauren Ashburn has a different view, but I think it is almost accusing journalists of being unpatriotic to say that they are pushing and promoting war because it's in their financial self interest and people like to watch war. It almost make it sound like they care more about themselves than they do about their country and I don't buy that.

That comment could lead to all sorts of discussions, for interest, from Hershe's Yellow Journalism in Cuba, to Walter Duranty, to "If I have lost Walter Cronkite...", to The New York Times ran 47 front page stories on Abu Ghraib - including 32 days in a row on the front page, to etc.

By why does Howard Kurtz think the Media is somehow immune from sentiments of "caring more about themselves than they do about their country" when that is a standard charge that the Media has been accusatorially tossing around now for generations at the motivations of anyone involved in the Military or the Military Industrial Complex or Haliburton or politics or whomever else they have wanted to smear and damn?

Why does Howie Hurtz believe the Media are somehow different, more noble specimens of humanity than anyone else? Why are they and only they always able to put country first over personal gain? I'd personally love to meet one of these marvelous specimens but the last one I really admired was Ernie Pyle.

Miss Marple

Krauthammer on Kelly.

Megyn asks at the end if Obama could, after all of this, pull a reverse like he did in Syria.

Krauthammer replies he cannot. It would cause a complete collapse in confidence both here and abroad, chaos, his presidency would be over, no one would ever trust the US, etc.

Amd I, Miss Marple, say that a NORMAL person would be held back by such reasons. I don't know that Obama would care.


Excellent, excellent points put out by Charles Krauthammer on Megyn's Show.

Miss Marple

I agree, daddy.

I stayed up because I saw he was on.

Now he has Buck Sexton on talking about lone wolf jihadists being created by the internet.

Miss Marple

She (Megyn) not he.


Miss Marple


Let's hum a few bars of Appalachian Spring.

Janet - the districts lie fallow, while the Capitol gorges itself

Yes, daddy. It is when he first moved to Indonesia.

Janet - the districts lie fallow, while the Capitol gorges itself

AliceH linked it at 5:45

Okay -I think I've got pieced it together.

The statue is of Hanuman, the monkey god, but is named Dirgantara, which means either "Space" or "Father of the Heavens", but the locals generally call it "The 7-up Man".

One of the better photos I found is in the LUN



well it would be a tango piece, no?

Miss Marple


More Ward Churchill on Megyn's show.

I can't take it. I am going to bed.


Laura White

Bill Mauldin was another worthy of Ernie Pyle.


Here's part of the transcript if you missed it from Megyn's Show:

Megyn: Which of those many problems is the biggest one in pursuing this strategy?

Dr K: I think the entire Strategy which stands on these 3 legs is really in trouble. He can't get Congressional support. I suspect in the end if he makes sort of an ultimatum Congress is not going to want to deny the President, but you can se how eat his sip[port is. The fact that he isn't asking for authorization is because Democrats in Congress, especially those who are running for Re-election are begging him not to make them cast a vote in favor of war. That's how tepid is his support there.

The real issue among the allies, the so called "Broad Coalition," which is a complete farce and fiction, is Turkey. Turkey is right next door to Syria. If you had an Air Campaign you want to have it come out of Turkish Air Bases and in fact Turkey is a part of NATO. Turkey has said "No". No to our Air Bases, and that was our probably the most important element in this whole thing.

The last element you mentioned I think is perhaps the most important. Obama said we have to imitate what we did in Somalia and Yemen, which is quite ridiculous. Somalia we've had 2 Air Strikes all year. He's going to defeat ISIS which his own Administration is calling a threat unlike any we've ever seen, with 2 Air Strikes? That doesn't apply. The only thing that applies is the initial campaign against Afghanistan 13 years ago. And that was a small contingent, special ops on the ground who guided in the Bombers, the planes above that was us, and worked in coordination with local troops, the Northern Alliance. Within 100 days the Taliban Govt had been destroyed and defeated. That's the only thing that's going to work with ISIS. and if Obama turned down the plan you mentioned, the one that most imitates Afghanistan, boots on the ground, American planes in the Air, local infantry, if he turned it down that does not bode well.

The second part was better but I'm running out of tape.


Megyn: So how are we going to get this done?

Dr K: We can't...

Strawman Cometh

So Robert Duvall wins for The Trail Walker?


Yes, daddy. It is when he first moved to Indonesia.

Well it's probably me Janet, but I can't locate a 10 story tall statue of the Hindu God Hanuman bestriding a road in Indonesia. It may be there. It wouldn't surprise me that it had been there, as the country was Hindu before the Islamic conversion process, and I know there is such a statue in Malaysia, a somewhat kinder gentler Muslim country, but I can't find one in Indonesia.

No big deal. I'll keep looking tonight. As I understand the mythology, Hanuman had the ability to enlarge his size enormously, so there are many huge statues of him remaining in India. I've seen a decent size one in Bangalore.



Just got to your Diringata mention. I will look it up after the dog walk. Thanks.

Janet - the districts lie fallow, while the Capitol gorges itself

Dave's 8:24
How was THAT not a huge story?
After all the mocking of Americans that asked questions....how in the world was THAT not on the front pages of newspapers?

For 16 years that was used. 16 years.

"According to archive.org, a website that caches websites on a regular basis, the Dystel.com website – the official website for Dystel & Goderich, Obama’s literary agents – was using the Barack Obama “born in Kenya” language until April 2007, just two months after then-Senator Obama declared his campaign for the presidency."

Breitbart posted that story in May 2012.

In May 2011 at the White House Correspondents Dinner, President Obama & the press laughed & laughed at Trump & all the Americans that had been asking questions about Obama's past.

Nobody in the MFM asked about the book bio though. No laughing or questions about that.

Rick B

How long before Krauthammer issues an expert opinion in the field in which he holds certification?

A simple "He's nutz!" would suffice. A President who announces the existence of a fantasy coalition which is immediately denounced by countries which don't want to ride in the President's unicorn drawn carriage is sufficient evidence.

Danube on iPad

I was 17 years 4 months when I graduated from HS, and I entered the Naval Academy. I was one of the youngest in my class and the only 17y.o. to make the freshman football team (most guys had 1-2 years of college, prep school or service). The varsity showed little interest in me, although I took on board quite a bit of hurt before getting that message.

I have wondered all my life whether I could have played for Navy - my greatest goal in childhood - if I'd gone in a year later. I believe the answer is no. In any case I don't regret what I did.


Great to see my friend @SenJohnMcCain today. I told him he missed his calling as a contributor for CNN.

Read my lips, no new Bushes.

Janet - the districts lie fallow, while the Capitol gorges itself

Boy...that press audience ADORED Obama.

It is sickening. Sick-en-ing.


the Turks were junior partners, to the Kingdom and the Emirates, in creating and shaping the Islamic State, so unlike the major in the Python sketch they won't allow something to go wrong,




Thanks for digging up the Indonesian Hanuman Statue. I want what we say here to be correct, so thanks for the facts.

Captain Hate

I graduated at 17 also.

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