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October 03, 2014

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Ignatz

Very funny story, Steph.
The comments however are stupefying.

rich@gmu

afternoon everyone.

TC (from the other thread)-

Think I did post a few links from the FRB of Atlanta. They were historical studies of the state default crisis in the 1830's and 1840's. I found a case, Perry v. US 1935 (part of the gold clause cases) which might be relevant to the separation of powers argument and there appears to be a rich vein of other cases (dealing with the reformed bankruptcy code which is a federal power) around that time as well. My guess is that when it gets bad enough states will just default (Rogoff etal would term it an internal default), reprioritize, then drag out settlement terms until the issue could be settled by Congress and the Federal Reserve. Think it would wreck federalism and be more destructive long term, but don't see much else could be done.

Too bad I couldn't be paid as a researcher on the topic.

Good jobs number. Bahhumbug.

hit-

prayers for your sister and your family.

Ignatz

Top Gear guys in trouble again as crowd in Argentina stones them over license plate appearing to refer to the 1982 Falklands war.

rich@gmu

the idiots abroad. didn't they do something stupid here in the US that almost got them shot?

Eric in Boise

I guess the moral of that story is that you shouldn't put a tuber in your tube.

Stephanie accidentally OnT?

T Irwin on Facebook

Matthew Continetti makes a good point, but here's the thing: we're seeing a failure of leadership en masse. Is it time for panic?

NO:

It's time to make sure you can take care of yourself and your loved ones, and to have a plan if things get ugly. Can you feed yourself? Clothe yourself? Do you have shelter? Medications? Can you defend yourself?
That's not panic. That's following the Boy Scout motto.

Stephanie accidentally OnT?

Ack forgot the link:

http://freebeacon.com/columns/the-case-for-panic/

Stephanie accidentally OnT?

Prayers for hit and his family.

Pagar a bacon, ham and sausage supporter

Sweden recognizes ?


http://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/statistics/sweden-rape-statistics/

There are articles that say 90% of the rapes go unreported.

Stephanie accidentally OnT?

Initial Ebola tests have come back NEGATIVE for a Cobb County Jail inmate, according to the Sheriff's Office.

Stephanie accidentally OnT?

From FB:

BTW, here's an excerpt from the Ebola info being disseminated to the medical staff at one of the hospitals I work at. If both criteria are met, "then the patient should have airborne and contact precautions instituted":

[begin quote]

1. Fever, headache, joint and muscle aches, weakness, fatigue, diarrhea, vomiting, stomach pain and lack of appetite, and in some cases bleeding,

AND

2. Travel (or intimate contact with someone who has traveled) to West Africa (Guinea, Liberia, Nigeria, Senegal, Sierra Leone or other countries where EVD transmission has been reported by the World Health Organization (WHO)) within 21 days (three weeks) of symptom onset.

If both criteria are met, then the patient should have airborne and contact precautions instituted.

[end quote]


Hmmmm.

Stephanie accidentally OnT?

Is the header: Racist AND Sexist a play on

'We have both kinds "Country AND Western"' from the Blues Brothers?

Well Played, sir.

rich@gmu

thanks for that link Stephanie.

>>>The imperatives of the caste, the desire to make actual whatever is rattling around Tom Friedman’s brain at a given moment, take precedence over reality.<<<

The whole thing is worth reading twice.

Steyn had a similar take in America Alone ... this bizarre lack of a sense of self preservation in the political class (and I would also extend it to a bizarre faith in consultancy gibberish like "data driven" and a childlike fascination with vaporware v2.0)

rich@gmu

LTUC.

TCFAB.

but I want to start knocking 'em back like a Travis County DA (KEBLATCDA ...)

Porchlight

Funny comment at NRO on the ValJar article:

The Gimlet Eye • 22 minutes ago

The Iranian Shari Lewis has a lot to pay for; inflicting us with the Kenyan Lambchop.

narciso

it can't be fracking incompetence, through and through, can it:

http://hotair.com/headlines/archives/2014/10/03/in-secret-service-some-blacks-see-a-flawed-shield-for-obama/

untergang, ruina, and whatever the Russian cognate is.

Jane

Another beheading

Porchlight

Beheading is the new normal, evidently. Thanks Barry.

Porchlight

Here's the PDF of the instructions Stephanie mentions in her 3:45.

http://www.iaemsc.org/Documents/IAEMSC/lAEMSC%20Recommendations%20for%20Patients%20with%20Confirmed%20or%20Suspected%20Ebola%20Virus%20Infection%209-30-2014%201735%20hrs.pdf

It is dated September 30th and is titled Ebola Outbreak in Western Africa - EMS Responses. It comes from the International Association of Emergency Medical Services Chiefs.

I don't know if it's proof that ebola is now airborne, but it appears no one wants to take any chances.

Jack is Back!

Whew! Finally Obama and his JV are on the case. They are using the Whole Goverment Approach and rallying the iternational community

1. Control
2. Mitigate
3. Lead Internationally
4. Obfuscate

jimmyk

I guess those air strikes have been very effective. As I said, enough to provoke, but not to defeat. Kind of like shooting a grizzly with a BB gun.

Sue

Those sons of bitches have beheaded the aid worker.

Threadkiller

http://www.naturalnews.com/046290_Ebola_patent_vaccines_profit_motive.html#ixzz3F3wQwCSr

It has a patent?

Threadkiller

http://www.Newsmax.com/Newsfront/Ebola-airborne-transmission-cold-flu/2014/10/03/id/598495/#ixzz3F7Gi5MaH

daddy

Just starting catch-up, but great point in this comment by Anonomom on the prior thread:

Anonomom said: I'll tell you how we all didn't get HIV back in the day--because if someone was HIV positive, ore even suspected, we wrote that in CAPS, out to the side of the note, starred it, and circled it--you can be darn sure whoever took care of hte patient in the OR saw that!

IMPOSSIBLE to do that with our Obmacare mandated Electronic Medical Record---I mean billing sheet.

I notice that truth so much in my work. We are all totally electronic now, so not having paperwork that is highlighted and really stands out to me, I now miss tons of changes in the updates because it is all masses of electronic data (that fits the FAA requirements) but that I would have to scroll thru for hours to find out what has been changed or if anything has been changed. Nothing stands out anymore from anything else, and it all gets buried in the clutter.

I still carry around my highlighted last paper copies from now 4 or 5 years ago, and have added pencil whippings and highlights to it, and it is still how I study, because my brain needs to have the important stuff visually stand out for me to emphasize it and enable me to visualize it in my head.


I'll put it this way. If I write Kate Upton traveled to Liberia, the average reader is going to process it pretty much like normal.

But If instead I post it this way:

Kate Upton
just traveled to Liberia, it is going to stand out and make us notice, because it's big and visual, and highlighted just like Anonmom's talking about in the old days.

And when I come home from training in 6 hours after my dreaded Sim check today, I'll easily be able to find out where I left off, simply by scrolling quick and looking for Kate in Liberia, instead of reading hundreds of comments.

(Unless of course those stinkers Iggy and Beasts clobber the thread with Upton pics to throw me off:)

daddy

And Wretchard's latest (which has probably already been posted today) is excellent:

The Trouble With Armor

Stephanie riding a streetcar named Desire

Thanks porch. All I had was the excerpt and no link.

I'm betting it's "suspected" airborne but they don't want to cause a panic, so they'll kill more by staying quiet about it. They don't trust us peons to shop for groceries why should we think they'd trust us with this. I somewhat don't blame them after Ferguson. A person can be smart - people are dumb and panicky.


Btw the Big Break Invitational now airing on Golf Channel is taking place where that house is located that I found for a possible JOM meet up.

Miss Marple

I have to tell you, I am not feeling confident listening to these people from NIH and CDC, although they are better at this than Friedman.

Jack is Back!

Fauci standing by Ebola not being transmitted airborne but only by bodily fluid transfer or touching something contaminated.

Political danger there and everything Obama and ValJar do is political.

Threadkiller

http://www.cbc.ca/m/news/canada/manitoba/could-ebola-vaccine-delay-be-due-to-an-intellectual-property-spat-1.2786214

Beasts of England

Who, me?

narciso

wasn't that the line from K in 'Men in Black'

Jack is Back!

I feel sorry for General Rodriquez that he has to stand up there and talk aboit soldiers on a medical mission instead of finding and killing Muzzie headchoppers. By his body language he agrees with me,

Miss Marple

Can't tell you how comforted I am that one of their highlights is the formation of safe burial teams.

Miss Marple

I want someone to ask how the NBC cameraman got it.

Stephanie riding a streetcar named Desire

Not named but challenge accepted, daddy. For later.

Funny story:

When the hubs and I were dating I used to point out the hotties where ever we were. When we got married he complained that he no longer noticed them much unless they were ones I pointed out. Sly, very sly. :)

Porchlight

I just cannot imagine what is going to happen on our troops over in Africa. And then they're going to come back (if they come back at all) on SHIPS.

Nightmare visions of US Navy plague ships sailing into harbors that won't accept them.

Rob Crawford

I don't know if it's proof that ebola is now airborne, but it appears no one wants to take any chances.

I don't think it's airborne in the same way as flu, but rather being carried by spray -- coughing, sneezing, etc. That's why particle filter masks have a chance of helping.

Old Lurker

Daddy, I so agree with you.

I tried to make my office as paperless as possible, thinking it would facilitate my spending more time on Nantucket. So I created GB after GB of important documents and sure enough, right here they are.

The trouble is that my trusty paper copies of my most important documents, my tenant leases, organized in exactly the way I like them and with my notes and post-its on the sections that come up from time to time are still the very most efficient way for me to work.

So I scanned PDF's of the "working copies" and that made this summer easier than before. That said, when I am home I can find the paper page in the lease I need MUCH faster than loading and searching through the PDF.

Stephanie riding a streetcar named Desire

Which, narc?

You'd think saliva in a sneeze or drooled would be considered bodily fluids, no?

Anyone in Dallas or DC want to visit the dentist? Or be a dentist or hygienist?

Miss Marple

Well, I don't know about you guys, but I am not feeling like these people have anything under control.

You will be happy to know, however, thet the White House is tweeting out a moronic Ebola graphic:

Porchlight

Rob Crawford, I think you are right:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/top-doctors-ebola-may-become-airborne-and-may-already-be-transmissible-via-aerosols/5405907

If it is already transmissible via aerosol (sneezes and coughs) it would explain how this outbreak got so bad so quickly.

A 2012 Canadian study documented ebola transmission between pigs and monkeys without direct contact. However, the monkeys were housed close enough to the pigs to have been affected by aerosolized fluids.

jimmyk

If the claims in that White House tweet were really true, it would hardly be so urgent to quarantine people, unless "body fluids" is taken to mean from sneezing or coughing. But that's not what that term normally suggests. In other words, the tweet is BS.

jimmyk

Maybe they just recycled an old graphic for HIV and inserted "Ebola."

Jack is Back!

Sneeze and cough to me is airborne versus touchiing, So, WTF is Fauci talking about?

Stephanie riding a streetcar named Desire

What about sneezing into your hand then handling a shopping cart? Or produce? Or sneezing on a sweater you are trying on at Macy's?

Once the sneezelets dry are they still a problem if you then touched your mouth or eye?

Rob Crawford

Has anyone sent the White House those quotes from the Spanish Flu epidemic?

And Porch, that's one reason the pressure washer crew has me so utterly enraged. Someone posted the recommended procedure for dealing with ebola infectious material yesterday -- basically, pour bleach over it, let it soak for 10 minutes. I've seen multiple people declaring that the power washer was OK, if there was bleach in the washer. But that doesn't give 10 minutes of exposure. It doesn't even give a 10th of a second of exposure.

And it sprays the infected material into the air.

Ever fired a pressure washer into, say, a pile of mud that's near a wall? The wall gets coated with mud, not water. Not even muddy water.

So that pressure washer was, at least initially, flinging ebola-heavy vomitus into the air.

Maybe no one will get sick as a result. Maybe the risk is low. But what it tells me is that no one involved is taking it seriously.

And that latest White House twit tells me they still aren't. That last paragraph reeks of hubris.

Porchlight

Here's a better link to the aerosol analysis from the researchers at the University of Minnesota:

http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2014/09/commentary-health-workers-need-optimal-respiratory-protection-ebola

The studies done so far involve animal variants of the virus. No one is sure if human ebola virus is or can be aerosolized. But if it has become aerosol transmissible, it would explain why this outbreak is so bad compared to past outbreaks.

Rick B

"So, WTF is Fauci talking about?"

Engendering a false sense of security. The virus survives in saliva and mucus even after drying. Sneeze or cough into hand, hand to X, X to to next to touch.

But it's not airborne, thank goodness. It just kills by touch.

Rob Crawford

Sneeze and cough to me is airborne versus touchiing, So, WTF is Fauci talking about?

Flu virus, for example, has a tougher protein coat and can survive exposed for longer. It can survive in particles small enough to "float", for example.

Ebola *IS* more fragile. But, yeah, the difference between "airborne" and "aerosol" transmission is academic for practical matters.

Stephanie -- I know Kroger providers sanitizing wipes for carts. Wipe down the handle.

jimmyk

Still on this: If the WH tweet were true, and yet it is necessary to quarantine people who might have the virus, then it should have been necessary to quarantine people with HIV or AIDS.

centralcal

David Burge ‏@iowahawkblog 3m3 minutes ago

Anybody have good cocktail recipes for Clorox?

Porchlight

I don't really get the distinction between "airborne" and "aerosol transmissible," if there is one.

If you read that link I just posted from cidrap.umn.edu it explains how vomit, blood, diarrhea etc. can also become aerosolized when present in large quantities (remember a couple of years back the outbreak of the gastrointestinal virus that was spread via reusable grocery bags that were next to a toilet where someone was throwing up).

No one so far has adequately explained why this outbreak is spreading so fast (demographics and health care in West Africa haven't changed significantly). I'm going to at minimum assume it's transmissible via aerosol particles.

Stephanie riding a streetcar named Desire

Why did they claim last week that mooch was being sent out on the campaign trail and now this week there are stories that she balked because of a perceived dis about her foody caRp?

Maybe she balked at being in crowds of potential walking around sneezing infected dumb asses er democrat voters. IOW she knows her target audience a bit too well.

narciso

the line about people being dumb and panicky,

well you're not supposed to infer that, we're only supposed to be worried about the Skydragon,

Stephanie riding a streetcar named Desire

I keep an ample supply of medical latex gloves, Rob. For painting, mulch, making messy cheeseballs and stuff where I don't want to ruin a good manicure or get goo hung under my nails.

Never thought I'd need to take em to Kroger.

Porchlight

Still on this: If the WH tweet were true, and yet it is necessary to quarantine people who might have the virus, then it should have been necessary to quarantine people with HIV or AIDS.

Since yesterday I have been on a long FB conversation with a friend who is kind of an amateur epidemiology enthusiast (meaning she reads a ton of books about epidemiology) about just this subject. She said Ebola was transmissible like HIV, but that's not really true. Ebola can enter through eyes, mouth and nose; that's extremely rare for HIV.

She says Ebola is more transmissible because there is a lot more bodily fluids present; true, but do you really think everyone in that taxi in Monrovia (except the driver) would have contracted the disease if it had been an HIV patient and all else was equal? She agreed that they probably wouldn't.

Look at the hazmat suits people wear to deal with Ebola. Obviously, they don't wear those to care for HIV-positive people. It just ain't the same.

Rick B

Porchlight,

The rate at which it is killing health care providers strongly suggests a shift to an airborne transmission vector. The health care providers know the "don't touch" rules and there is no reason to believe a herd of them turned stupid all of a sudden. It may be that the concentration of a number of infected individuals is necessary to really poison the atmosphere but I don't see how the hypothesis could be tested.

FTL

Because of some of the chemicals I handle, I prefer the nitrile gloves.

"Two by two. Hands of blue."

henry

Mooch is scheduled for Madison on Tuesday -- although the press got upset at restrictions earlier this week in Milwaukee. (Note, Madison resident, beloved prog activist, pothead, non-working Segway Boy just got put in the Dane County slammer for felony stalking and domestic abuse. Roughly when DuDa went silent. Coincidence?)

Stephanie riding a streetcar named Desire

Ah, that one yes it was. You got me.

Like you, movie quotes stick and I use them frequently. Still play name that movie with the kids.

Have a conversation and realize appropriate spot to casually insert movie quote. Other party then responds Men In Black or whatever and continues the conversation. Game but not a game. More of a gotcha.

I scrolled up but not far enough to jog my brain.

Jack is Back!

Publix has wipedowns for their carts for years. Also purell dispensers at the doors, Always use them. Florida is flu country.

I wonder when we will see the Chinese equivalent of mobs of Americans walking around with respirator masks and surgical gloves in the shopping malls or the village high streets?

Porchlight

The rate at which it is killing health care providers strongly suggests a shift to an airborne transmission vector.

That's exactly what I think, Rick B. Many of them are Western or Western-trained. They're not suddenly getting stupid.

Porchlight

Although, there is a severe shortage of PPE (personal protective equipment). But that would have been the case in the last outbreaks, too.

What is different this time? No one is talking about it.

Threadkiller

They're not suddenly getting stupid.

Maybe we should check their voter registration cards...

narciso

I was reminded of MiB, when I saw the pressure
cleaning fustercluck, at the beginning of the film, they use flamethrowers, to get rid of any alien residue, out in the desert, that may be extreme, could they stop copying chapters out of the Stand, please,

Stephanie riding a streetcar named Desire

Due to the ease of long distance travel, it really is difficult to not assume 80% or higher exposure big city wise just based on those plane itineraries I posted last night. Particularly Atlanta even though the planes didn't make it here themselves. With the "busiest airport in the world" claim what is the likelihood none of their passengers didn't wander through here.

And BTW, if the guy was sick in flight what are the chances he didn't visit the loo and either shit or vomit possibly explosively or at least have bad "aim" while peeing in either the plane or the terminal? 20+ hours of travel and no potty time?

Pagar a bacon, ham and sausage supporter

No respirator masks needed.

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/10/03/world/meast/isis-airstrikes/index.html

ISIS very close to taking another major town Kobani.
Wonder how much of what they use to take these towns is former US military equipment?

centralcal

There is a major fire near the Flight 93 Memorial site in PA. Supposedly in 3 admin buildings, though some claim "artifacts" being store for the memorial were in one of the buildings that is burning.

Porchlight

This article in the New England Journal of Medicine from late August is interesting and very sad. The author says there are many, many deaths not yet counted because lab specimens haven't come back to confirm. Also, there is no way to find all the possible contacts of any given infected person.

http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmp1410179

Stephanie riding a streetcar named Desire

Don't worry about transmission at Kroger or Publix. I'm sure by the end of next week, Muslims will have wet wipes banned there, too.

Google KFC and wet wipe for the reason.

I'm on the kindle and if I move off tab to find it, it will reload this page and wipe this comment when I return to this tab.

Rob Crawford

That's exactly what I think, Rick B. Many of them are Western or Western-trained. They're not suddenly getting stupid.

Watching their behavior HERE, are you sure about that?

Ignatz

Short interesting overview of the Rubio-Mike Lee tax plan.

Rick B

"What is different this time?"

Caseload. Previous outbreaks were relatively small. There isn't really that much of a system and they made it to overload status very quickly. I don't believe that would increase the willingness of health care providers to forgo security measures though.

Rob Crawford

20+ hours of travel and no potty time?

Mild dehydration. It's how I got from Istanbul to Cincinnati.

Miss Marple

http://ricochet.com/uninvited-guest/

Rick Wilson: The Uninvited Guest

anonamom

So, you wipe off the cart--how about the touch screen you use to pay on, if you have to enter produce? Or the electronic pen to sign for your credit purchase?
No wipes there.

I am no germaphobe--actually, pretty much the opposite--but when you start thinking about all place we share the germs, it creeps you out.

Porchlight

Rick B,

I know the caseload is bigger, but why is this outbreak so much more serious than past outbreaks? I haven't seen an explanation yet, though maybe I'm not looking in the right places.

Rob Crawford

It's OK if it gets on your hands. But clean your hands before you eat, touch your eyes, etc.

Porchlight

I am no germaphobe--actually, pretty much the opposite--but when you start thinking about all place we share the germs, it creeps you out.

I'm a germophile, anonamom. I never think twice about touching things in public places and I never use wipes or hand sanitizer. But I'm a hell of a lot more scared of Ebola than I am of a cold or the flu.

Ignatz

Kirsten Powers, who is herself a frequent huge disappointment, declares Barry not only a huge disappointment, but not even in the same "universe" as Bill Clinton.
I find Clinton quicker on his feet than either Carter or Barry but the fact is his vaunted "competence" consisted almost entirely of taking office at a fortuitous moment in history.
Had he faced conditions remotely as difficult as Jimmy and Barry I have no fear he would have proven himself and his policies just as incompetent as the other two stooges.
The only difference is he would have made himself look better while failing.

anonamom

The difference this time is that this didn't start in remote villages deep in Congo.
I don't think there were too many health workers involved in the other outbreaks--which may have been a good thing. Their families took care of them, they got sick, died, then people got the picture and started leaving the sick alone.
Brutal to think about, but that how it stops spreading. Quit exposing healthy people to sick ones.

Jane

I trust no one in this government. Jeh Johnson on special report not answering questions.

Ignatz

I know ebola is already a bad deal in Africa and will undoubtedly get much worse before it gets better, but we have one confirmed case in the US so far and we don't even know if there's going to be another one and even if there is it could still be a tiny number of people in a tiny place.

Until then I think I'm going to worry about things that are about ten million times more likely to kill me, like getting out of bed or driving five minutes to mail a letter, more than what kind of rubber gloves to wear and breaking out my paint respirator to go shopping.

Stephanie riding a streetcar named Desire

That ricochet piece was excellent. But I'll add a reason it missed that is needed. It almost got there but missed it by this much ::

Prog bureaucracy works much as Vogon bureaucracy and bad programming does. It doesn't have the ability to realize or flow chart the creativity or capacity of humans to find a work around that will crash the system. It is used to designing rules for expected behaviors and designing based on that. It has no creativity itself which is why it's default is "zero tolerance" when confronted with something that occurs outside the lines it has designated you should color within.

The reactions and responses in Dallas show that. As if a request to shelter in place was gonna be followed by the family or that a "restraining order" is gonna restrain or that a gun free zone is gonna be gun free. Theese are people designing processes and steeped in processes and who have been trained by unions to follow processes. They expect viruses (and people) to conform.

The final exposure of a collective hive is the invasion of an item that doesn't conform.

Porchlight

Brutal to think about, but that how it stops spreading. Quit exposing healthy people to sick ones.

I thought about that while reading the NEJM article. It is sad and awful, but sending healthy people to fight it only helps it spread.

Iggy, I admit I didn't pay much attention until it landed in Texas.

Rick B

Porchlight,

From the Science paper I linked yesterday.

On 25 May, KGH scientists confirmed the first case of EVD in Sierra Leone. Investigation by the Ministry of Health and Sanitation (MoHS) uncovered an epidemiological link between this case and the burial of a traditional healer who had treated EVD patients from Guinea. Tracing led to 13 additional cases—all females who attended the burial.

If the 13 women attending the witch doctor's funeral were also witch doctors, then the cause of the "explosion" is very understandable. How many patients with immune systems already under challenge did the witch doctors infect?

FTL

Ignatz@1801,

I have thought about this quite a bit, and I despise Clinton much more than I despise Obama. Perhaps it's the soft bigotry of low expectations [of the mentally retarded], but I view Obama as nothing more than a hollow reflection of an equally hollow electorate. Clinton, on the other hand, seems at least sentient to me.

The two are similar in that they exploit other people and the entire country in pursuit of feeding their insatiable appetites for worldly pleasures, but Clinton appears to have at least an inkling of the whys and hows whereas Obama strikes me as an entity without even a soul.

Frau Medizinmann
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Frau Medizinmann

Got bleach?

miss Marple

Jane, I am with you. Watching Jehovah Johnson, I am pretty sure he has told a couple of whoppers and evaded a bunch of other questions.

No confidence in him is my vote.

Isn't it interesting that all of a sudden these Obama people are on Fox.? Besides Johnson, we have had Josh Earnest, Marie Harf, and Jen Psaki.

miss Marple

I see my auto-correct refuses to recognize Mr. Johnson's stupid first name.

Pagar a bacon, ham and sausage supporter

Hard to fake one of these.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-10-03/bogus-congressman-said-to-get-backstage-at-obama-event.html

FTL

Isn't it interesting that all of a sudden these Obama people are on Fox.?

I had that same thought sometime earlier today. Something is afoot.

narciso

call him heh johnson, he was all squirrel about those 4 detainees.

FTL

As I see it, it's one of these two possibilities:

1. Go into the wingnuts' living rooms and calm them using superior lefty powers of persuasion.

2. Inflame those wingnuts into firing the first shots of the next American Civil War by being obnoxious lying a-holes broadcast into their living rooms.

Something is afoot.

Bori

"Isn't it interesting that all of a sudden these Obama people are on Fox.?"

If one thing the administration is good at is reading polls or in this case ratings. You have to go to Fox because they have the audience, if you want to get your message across.

BTW, prayers for Hit and sister.

henry

Look at the ratings... independents watch Fox (nobody watches the other two except drooling leftards), and they need to have calm independents vote for stability.

Ignatz

Looks like the great California Plastic Bag War is only beginning as the plastics industry gears up for a referendum on the ballot next year or the year after.
Interesting that while Moonbeam thought making life less convenient and more expensive for everyone was fine, the issues below were far too restrictive for career scum pols like him;

Brown also vetoed a package of ethics reforms that would have prevented lawmakers from accepting free tickets to sporting events and drastically lowered the monetary value of gifts lawmakers were allowed to accept. He nixed another bill that would have prohibited lawmakers from donating their left-over campaign funds to nonprofit groups owned or operated by family members, or using the extra cash to pay for everything from clothing to vacations, tuition to gifts for family members.

Sue

Dang. I thought MM was explaining the name Jeh. Short for Jehovah. Now I'm back to what a stupid name.

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