Richard Perez-Pena of the Times is given space to explore the public mistrust of experts. As is so often the case with the Times, I am left marveling at the mental acuity of liberals.
Alarmed by Ebola, Public Isn’t Calmed by ‘Experts Say’
When public health leaders and government officials make the case against isolating more people returning from the Ebola hot zones in West Africa, or against imposing more travel restrictions from that region, time and again they cite science and experts. It isn’t working very well.
So far, so good. However...
Polls show the overwhelming majority of Americans favor quarantine in cases like that of Kaci Hickox, the nurse who was held against her will in a Newark hospital on the orders of one governor and has fended off the efforts of another governor to sharply restrict her movements. Some prominent conservative commentators dismiss the assurances of scientists, Obama administration officials and the news media as unreliable, elitist blather.
So we immediately jump to a left-right divide, even though if an "overwhelming majority" of Americans favor quarantines the phrase "bipartisan support" springs to mind.
The prize bit of analysis is this pretense of providing some background:
This comes on top of a broader mistrust of elites. “Skepticism about science and expertise and authority has a pretty big constituency out there,” said Ross K. Baker, a professor of political science at Rutgers University. It is not enough for policy makers to be right on the science, he said; they must also find a way to reassure “people who are all too ready to interpret expert opinion as elitist and condescending.”
That sort of view runs across the political spectrum, he said, on issues like the safety of vaccinations, prescription drugs or fluoridated water, and studies have shown that attempts to correct misinformation often end up reinforcing it, instead. But in recent years, that mistrust has been most visible on the right, where many people dismiss scientific consensus on global warming and evolution.
Evolution? Clarence Darrow called and he wants his monkey back. And I'll see "global warming" and raise him one fracking and one GMOs. Oh, wait - the science is not yet settled on those last two, and never will be until libs get the answer they want. Let's see, this is from last week on fracking:
Gov. Cuomo is promising to release the longest-awaited study of his administration — an analysis of the health impacts of fracking — but only after the election.
This is from last year:
Still Undecided on Fracking, Cuomo Won’t Press for Health Study’s Release
...
Almost 15 months after his administration began a study to evaluate the health risks of the hydraulic fracturing process of drilling for natural gas, Mr. Cuomo said he did not have a timeline for the report’s release. In May, he anticipated that it would be done “in the next several weeks,” and last month he said he expected it to be done before the 2014 general election, when he will be running for a second term.
And on GMOs I would say there is little trust for the CDC or the rest of Washington, known as they are to be tools of Big Food.
And utterly missing from this "background" are examples of Big Government fails where mistrust would have been warranted. Leaded gasoline and the War On Dietary Fat come to mind, and I welcome other examples.
Let me note this last bit of clowning around by Mr. Perez-Pena:
On Ebola, Republican politicians have found new lines of attack against the Obama administration, stoking fears of the disease. But even if, as Democrats claim, those attacks are politically motivated, the Republicans making them have often made the case in the more appealing way.
Gov. Paul R. LePage of Maine, a Republican, said of his attempts to isolate Ms. Hickox, “I’m just asking her to be reasonable,” and it seems that many in Maine agree with him.
When Senator Elizabeth Warren, Democrat of Massachusetts, challenged Gov. Chris Christie of New Jersey, a Republican, to “bring out his scientists who are advising him,” he did not take the bait, depicting his quarantine policy as common-sense prudence.
In fact, some Democratic governors, and most of the public, have taken stances similar to Mr. Christie’s and Mr. LePage’s. But some commentary in support of the administration’s position has cast things in partisan — and, yes, condescending — terms.
Maybe Mr. Perez-Pena has a respect for his readers that I do not fully share, but left unmentioned is New York State Governor Andrew Cuomo, who kinda sorta backed a quarantine and then got waffley:
Under Pressure, Cuomo Says Ebola Quarantines Can Be Spent at Home
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It was the second striking shift in Mr. Cuomo’s public posture on the Ebola crisis in 72 hours; after urging calm on Thursday night, then joining Mr. Christie to highlight the risks of lax policy on Friday, Mr. Cuomo on Sunday night appeared to try to dial back his rhetoric and stake out a middle ground.
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For Mr. Cuomo, though, embracing the policy proved somewhat complicated. Earlier this month, he cast decisions on screening procedures as “a federal issue.” In a news conference on Thursday announcing that Dr. Spencer had tested positive for Ebola, Mr. Cuomo appeared beside Mr. de Blasio and health officials to urge calm. (The city said Sunday that Dr. Spencer “looks better than he looked yesterday.” He remained in serious but stable condition.)
By Friday, appearing with Mr. Christie, the tone had changed starkly.
“In a region like this,” Mr. Cuomo said, “you go out one, two or three times, you ride the subway, you ride a bus, you could affect hundreds and hundreds of people.”
Extraordinary that we don't trust that kind of leader. As to the notion that Obama, too, is careening between pandering to his base (i.e., citizens of the world), listening to experts, ands listening to pollsters describing the concerns of the Great Unwashed, well, don't ask.
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Posted by: daddy | November 01, 2014 at 03:01 PM
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Posted by: daddy | November 01, 2014 at 03:05 PM
L'il Sumerian cuneiform to start off the thread.
No biggy...
Posted by: daddy | November 01, 2014 at 03:06 PM
Looked like this NYT story clogged up your toilet and you had to use increasingly powerful plungers.
Posted by: henry | November 01, 2014 at 03:09 PM
I'm "unwashed" at the moment myself, so using that as my excuse hope you won't mind me pasting a bit of a Taiwanese Soap Opera reviewer commenting on the recent Soaps that made Barmaid Peggy nuttier than usual.
During these past two years, SETTV has been inundated with a really bad Sunday-night drama line-up. All dramas after the popular Miss Rose went down as crazy and illogical. King Flower was actually quite decent and one that I enjoyed but not only was there a ludicrous makeover but also down the track there was a male lead switcheroo and well, that doesn’t quite fit your typical drama format (well, IMO anyways). Then came Love Around which was sane, but oh-so-bland and boring! After that came the trainwreck that was Déjà Vu and then we had the half-way-second-male-lead-switheroo-plus-psychologically-impaired-mess of Fall in Love with Me. These dramas were mess after mess, wreckage after wreckage and crazy after crazy. I’m just hoping that the follow-up drama Say Again Yes I Do (AKA I Do²) does not follow this horrible, horrible fate of its predecessors. Dearest Drama Gods, Can we just have one decent drama that does not head down this atrocious trajectory, pretty please?
Sounds logical to me!
Posted by: daddy | November 01, 2014 at 03:20 PM
TM,
If you need my permission to just go in and nuke the NYTimes, you've got it!
Posted by: daddy | November 01, 2014 at 03:33 PM
Friendly Reminder: The economy was better in 2006 (GOP Control) than in 2014 (Democrat Control):
http://commoncts.blogspot.com/2014/11/friendly-reminder-economy-was-better-in.html
Posted by: Steve | November 01, 2014 at 03:35 PM
Local newspaper's print edition headline last night:
"Gourds Light up Night"
This one's for you, Porch.
Posted by: matt | November 01, 2014 at 03:36 PM
henry@3:09--
comment of the day so far.
Posted by: rse | November 01, 2014 at 03:43 PM
Gov.LePage said he didn't trust Kaci,he isn't going to keep quiet,he is worried about her safety. The state troopers and the media cameras are gone,so she got her 15 minutes. She assured the police chief in Fort Kent that she doesn't plan on going into town. He escorts the Maine CDC person to the house,so this is costing the town money.
Posted by: Marlene | November 01, 2014 at 03:46 PM
For the uninitiated, the Haka and its translation:
Ka mate, ka mate! ka ora! ka ora! Will I die, Will I die
Ka mate! ka mate! ka ora! ka ora! Will I live, Will I live
Tēnei te tangata pūhuruhuru This is the hairy man
Nāna nei i tiki mai whakawhiti te rā Who brought the sun and caused it to shine
Ā, upane! ka upane! A step upward, another step upward!
Ā, upane, ka upane, whiti te ra A step upward, another... the Sun shines!
Coming up in a few minutes on NBC. All Blacks v. USA Eagles
One of my greatest sports moments was to watch New Zealand V. England at Twickenham in 1997 where they drew 26 all. It was a Johah Lumu game and he started the trend to monster wings and backs. You'll see some 300 pound guys running today but not for 5 seconds but for 80 minutes.
Posted by: Jack is Back! | November 01, 2014 at 03:53 PM
TM:
And utterly missing from this "background" are examples of Big Government fails where mistrust would have been warranted. Leaded gasoline and the War On Dietary Fat come to mind, and I welcome other examples.
Asbestos removal was sooooooo important to Obama that he left Altgeld before it was completed.
A mistrust of the science may have been less well-placed than a mistrust of the greatest man who
ever livednever accomplished anything more than getting elected.Posted by: Jeff Dobbs | November 01, 2014 at 04:02 PM
Let me suggest the myths that hormone replacement pills protected the heart and that the first birth control pills were perfectly safe.
Posted by: clarice | November 01, 2014 at 04:04 PM
Well, DDT might oughta be mentioned too.
Posted by: Jeff Dobbs | November 01, 2014 at 04:06 PM
Has 404 said anything about the released Marine?
Posted by: Captain Hate | November 01, 2014 at 04:07 PM
Ted Roof sux... that is all.
Posted by: Stephanie accidentally OnT? | November 01, 2014 at 04:07 PM
Damn straight, hit; Rachel Carson was about as sciency as ManBearPig, but probably not as fat.
Posted by: Captain Hate | November 01, 2014 at 04:08 PM
Speaking of Cunieform, current very interesting and so far enjoyable read is The Ark Before Noah: Decoding the Story of the Flood
It's about quite recent discoveries revealed from digging up the old cuneiform clay tablets from ancient Mesopotamia and reading their accounts of ancient Noah-type Flood stories.
But what I thought of interest tonight was this bit from the author/curator in the Brit Museum overseeing their collection of over 130,000 clay cuneiform tablets:
Cunieform absolutely cannot be written with the left hand, and any school candidate who manifested that sinister tendency in antiquity would, no doubt, have it beaten out of him, as has often happened since in human history.
Apparently the wedged symbols would come out incorrectly if done by Southpaws!
Wedge shape and calligraphic proportion did not remain static over three thousand years of use. Teachers of sign-writing in cuneiform school always promoted the accepted shapes with vigor, and personal style in handwriting had no place at all. Early cuneiform around 2900 BC has long, slim wedges,; the first-millenium Assyrian Librarians perfected a canon of proportions to such an extent that one library scribe can hardly be distinguished from another without micro-photography, while under the Seleucids in the fourth century BC cuneiform signs leaned so backwards that they look like dominoes on the verge of collapse.
Cunieform absolutely cannot be written with the left hand
This got me wondering if this was the possible large scale social origin of the discrimination of Left Handedness. If Cunieform Writing (believed to be a gift from the gods) had banned Lefties from writing for the 3,000 plus years during which Cunieform was the only extant writing system in most of the world, I imagine that would certainly have made a social impact upon society.
All that said, it got me to thinking, "What, if anything, is of obvious benefit in normal society from being Left Handed, and if there is such an obvious benefit, is it big enough to overcome 5,000 years of anti-left stigma in human history. Off the top, all I can think of beneficially is Hendrix, or SouthPaw pitchers in Baseball, and lefty hitters like Ichiro padding his Batting Average by beating out infield dribblers to first base.
Leaving "wiping our behinds" out of the equation, is there anything Lefties have done for us lately to make us not hate 'em?
Posted by: daddy | November 01, 2014 at 04:09 PM
daddy:
Leaving "wiping our behinds" out of the equation, is there anything Lefties have done for us lately to make us not hate 'em?
Whether or not I have done anything to assuage your bigoted hate - I am compelled to put it on record that I have never wiped your behind.
Posted by: Jeff Dobbs | November 01, 2014 at 04:21 PM
Gators! Fake FG. TD.
Posted by: Jack is Back! | November 01, 2014 at 04:34 PM
Hey Daddy, do the cruise boats come in near you?
Posted by: Jane | November 01, 2014 at 04:37 PM
I don't have a Dawg in this SEC fight.
Posted by: Captain Hate | November 01, 2014 at 04:42 PM
CH,
Good because Gators just scored to go up 14-7.
Posted by: Jack is Back! | November 01, 2014 at 04:48 PM
hahahahahaha ... Florida up on the dawgs.
Posted by: rich@gmu | November 01, 2014 at 04:49 PM
florida and georgia are both wearing home jerseys ... don't UCLA and USC do that when they play?
Posted by: rich@gmu | November 01, 2014 at 05:00 PM
everyone must getting in their half time bathroom break.
to recap todays action
The Turtles beat Ped U 20-19
The Gators up 14-7 at the half
and
WVU is up 13-7 against the Horned Frogs at the half.
Posted by: rich@gmu | November 01, 2014 at 05:19 PM
Experts? Experts? I know and love experts. During one antitrust case I had, as experts, nearly the entire faculty of the Harvard Business School.
You have no idea the persuasive power of a suite at the Huntington Hotel. It amazed me how they seemed to opine exactly as further lodging seemed to require.
Posted by: MarkO | November 01, 2014 at 05:19 PM
Daddy, lefties have and advantage in some of her sports, thought mainly because they are a small minority. Like tennis, and maybe boxing. They face righties all the time, but righties aren't used to facing them.
Posted by: jimmyk on iPad | November 01, 2014 at 05:21 PM
so glad that the Times to the time to Voxsplain ebola to us losers.
Didn't Coulter have the response to this a few days ago?
another thing the experts missed ... The War on Salt.
Posted by: rich@gmu | November 01, 2014 at 05:22 PM
Auto correct: Lefties have AN advantage in SOME OTHER sports
Posted by: jimmyk on iPad | November 01, 2014 at 05:22 PM
And on experts: The history of economics policy over the last 100 years, from central planning to the geniuses at the Fed who were so sure that mortgages weren't going to be a big problem, is replete with experts getting it wrong.
Posted by: jimmyk on iPad | November 01, 2014 at 05:25 PM
jimmyk,
Like basebal?
Holy Moly. Florida is provig you can run all day on Georgia. Gators 21 - 7 over the Dawgs.
Posted by: Jack is Back! | November 01, 2014 at 05:31 PM
ha ... TD Florida!!!!
Orange Blue Orange Blue.
Posted by: rich@gmu | November 01, 2014 at 05:31 PM
so I think this falls into the category, of 'known unknowns'
Posted by: narciso | November 01, 2014 at 05:35 PM
So give a cheer for the Orange and Blue, Waving forever,
Forever pride of old Florida, May she droop never
We'll sing a song for the flag to-day, Cheer for the team at play!
On to the goal we'll fight our way for Florida
Posted by: rich@gmu | November 01, 2014 at 05:35 PM
so who is helming Georgia, right on to the rocks?
Posted by: narciso | November 01, 2014 at 05:38 PM
Richt is the coach at Georgia. Don't think he is in jeopardy. They look off, probably too hung over for an afternoon start.
Florida has only thrown the ball 6 times for 3 completions. this has been all on the ground.
Posted by: rich@gmu | November 01, 2014 at 05:45 PM
probably too hung over for an afternoon start.
If I had a nickel for every time mrs hit and run said that.......
Posted by: Jeff Dobbs | November 01, 2014 at 05:47 PM
Steph has to be loving this. The Dawgs are always capable of dropping a hot steaming game like this no matter what the circumstances.
Posted by: Captain Hate | November 01, 2014 at 05:49 PM
FG Florida ... I should drink 3 beers in their honor. 24-7
Posted by: rich@gmu | November 01, 2014 at 05:50 PM
Daddy, not buying the cuniform.
Thems is stacked Martini glasses and I don’t advise you to drive anymore tonight.
Posted by: sbw | November 01, 2014 at 05:51 PM
ha Georgia fumble.
Posted by: rich@gmu | November 01, 2014 at 05:55 PM
I believe that Obama refused to help the marine because Fox News was all over the story. I doubt any other network spent much, if any, time on it. And Obola wanted to make sure everyone knows who is boss. He's a vindictive and petty little man.
Posted by: Jane | November 01, 2014 at 05:56 PM
A nasty homunculus.
Posted by: MarkO | November 01, 2014 at 05:58 PM
Posted by: Captain Hate | November 01, 2014 at 05:49 PM -
this could go on and on and on. a shame it has to end.
Posted by: rich@gmu | November 01, 2014 at 05:58 PM
WVU up 27-14 on TCU. Perfect time for an onside kick ...
Posted by: rich@gmu | November 01, 2014 at 06:01 PM
Just asking for a friend:
What form of cuni does daddy have?
Posted by: MarkO | November 01, 2014 at 06:01 PM
Please, let's not forget the food pyramid, with the eight servings a day of grains as the foundation of good health.
Or make that as the foundation of the massive obesity/diabetes/ hypertension costs we are dealing with today.
Posted by: anonamom | November 01, 2014 at 06:10 PM
Woot! Dawgs losing, Tech winning. It's A Good Day!
On the way out to dinner.
Go Gators!
Posted by: Stephanie accidentally OnT? | November 01, 2014 at 06:10 PM
apparently slick isn't bringing out the crowds either:
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/11/republican-joni-ernst-slams-obama-over-delayed-release-of-sgt-tahmooressi-video/
Posted by: narciso | November 01, 2014 at 06:10 PM
lol ... Orange Blue Orange Blue
Posted by: rich@gmu | November 01, 2014 at 06:15 PM
anonamom,
You are certainly in the Kingdom of large servings of grains each day. Enjoy and don't forget to order up a good English fry for breakfast. You'll loive the beans, tomatoe and mushrooms:)
Posted by: Jack is Back! | November 01, 2014 at 06:16 PM
50 rushs for 321 yards rushing in this game
Posted by: rich@gmu | November 01, 2014 at 06:16 PM
The slattering continues
Posted by: Captain Hate | November 01, 2014 at 06:17 PM
WVU up 30-21
Posted by: rich@gmu | November 01, 2014 at 06:19 PM
Something wroing with the polls (over the years, BTW) to think the No. 11 ranked team in the nation can bet beat like a drum by an unranked under-coach team like Florida. But saying that everyone in football knows the superior athletes Florida has but without proper management.
Posted by: Jack is Back! | November 01, 2014 at 06:20 PM
Hudson Mason.
Posted by: donald | November 01, 2014 at 06:21 PM
I saw daddy's symbols and thought golf tees.
Posted by: glasater | November 01, 2014 at 06:24 PM
how about eugenics? that was progressive "science"!
did anyone else see ace's "I love science sexually" tweets ...
Posted by: rich@gmu | November 01, 2014 at 06:40 PM
If you have been watching Tommy Jensen like I have for several elections knows that while Tommy wolfs in mid election campaigns and even seems to find more Democrats than ever show up on election day,but when the last poll before the election is released, he quite often finds "movement" and he tries very hard to get the call correct, as he knows he will be judged vis a vis this last poll, not the other ones. So get a load of his view of KY just released:
PPP
McConnell 50
Grimes 42
Libertarian 3
I think it about time to start organizing the majority, Mitch.
Posted by: GMax | November 01, 2014 at 06:40 PM
TCU making a come back another td, still down 28-30
Posted by: rich@gmu | November 01, 2014 at 06:42 PM
Erdogan seems to be behaving like the dawgs:
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4830/erdogan-book-of-defeat?anid=7
Posted by: narciso | November 01, 2014 at 06:49 PM
glasater:
I saw daddy's symbols and thought golf tees.
Well that brings back memories...
For context - Cassandra of VillaousCompany had come on JOM, and PUK had made her spit out her beverage with one of his make-you-spit-out-your-beverage comments. Clarice warned her to learn PUK's "symbol" to avoid such a thing in the future.
This was PUK's dry response.
This was one week before PUK died.
Posted by: Jeff Dobbs | November 01, 2014 at 06:49 PM
And of course, worthy of special mention in the economic arena are the experts who gave us 404Care.
Then there are those that are forcing Common Core on us. And "sex education" that sends the message that there is such a thing as safe sex between 14-year-olds.
I don't know this first-hand, but a friend who grew up on a farm would talk about how his family would roll their eyes at the experts from the D of A who would come and "help" them.
And so on. The list of government expert failure is so long that it would be much easier to list the successes.
Posted by: jimmyk | November 01, 2014 at 06:50 PM
A belated HB to Pagar, and condolences for iggy on this anniversary.
Posted by: jimmyk | November 01, 2014 at 06:51 PM
The federal authorities and Ferguson protestors have strongly criticized state officials for providing the local Grand Jury with all of the evidence available regarding the Ferguson shooting, arguing that the Grand Jury should instead be denied access to evidence providing legal justification for Brown’s killing.
Most folks are never on a Grand Jury, so they have no idea what a Grand Juror can do. In a word .. “everything”. They get to ask questions, something that trial juries, in most cases, can only wish for. Not only do they get to ask questions of the witnesses, but they can ask questions of the prosecuting attorney.
It is the responsibility of the Grand Jury to look at all the facts that they can. I am pressed to understand just how the above statement can be true unless the federal prosecuting attorney is just plain out lying to the federal Grand Jury or it is made up of the biggest group of intellectual cretins the feds could find.
Posted by: Neo | November 01, 2014 at 06:56 PM
ha another td ...
Posted by: rich@gmu | November 01, 2014 at 06:56 PM
59 rushes for 422 yards, 5 tds ...
Posted by: rich@gmu | November 01, 2014 at 06:57 PM
TCU wins on a last second field goal.
Posted by: Jeff Dobbs | November 01, 2014 at 07:02 PM
TCU wins 31-30 ... gonna be a tough night in Morgantown.
Posted by: rich@gmu | November 01, 2014 at 07:03 PM
My mom and dad met at TCU. My sister graduate from TCU as well.
Back in college I once went on a road trip to TCU to visit an old HS baseball teammate. That was a party. I threw up in a street near campus after drinking too much.
I mean just look at all the history I have with TCU!
Posted by: Jeff Dobbs | November 01, 2014 at 07:13 PM
I hope my parents don't read JOM.
Posted by: Jeff Dobbs | November 01, 2014 at 07:14 PM
Dear Iggie: You are so much in my thoughts and prayers.
Donald: How is your father doing? It is so hard on the surviving spouse. Children don't have the "luxury" of grieving -- they have to tamp down their own grief and support the parent who is bereft. Praying for you.
Posted by: Tonto | November 01, 2014 at 07:15 PM
This new pollster Vox Populi Polling releases another one that looks different than most recent NH polling. It will be interesting to see after the election which view of the turnout model is correct:
US SENATE – NEW HAMPSHIRE (VPP)
Scott Brown (R) 49%
Jeanne Shaheen (D-inc) 45
Posted by: GMax | November 01, 2014 at 07:18 PM
Neo@6:56, what is that from?
In any case, I have the impression that only the prosecution case gets any say in a grand jury hearing. There is no defense attorney, no requirement of presenting exculpatory evidence, etc. So is it a valid point that the state should not be offering exculpatory evidence or other help to the accused in a GJ hearing? I had the idea that the only real inhibition on the state at this stage is the cost of indicting someone who has no chance of getting convicted.
Posted by: jimmyk | November 01, 2014 at 07:19 PM
would you be surprised to hear that Steadman's wheelhouse, is still going after Zimmerman,
if the case were reversed, how would the Times approach it:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/02/arts/provocateurs-death-haunts-the-dutch-.html?smid=pl-share&_r=0
Posted by: narciso | November 01, 2014 at 07:26 PM
I'm not making it up:
http://legalinsurrection.com/2014/10/fbi-convenes-grand-jury-for-zimmerman-civil-rights-case/
Posted by: narciso | November 01, 2014 at 07:32 PM
>>>explore the public mistrust of experts. As is so often the case with the Times, I am left marveling at the mental acuity of liberals.
>>>the Grand Jury should instead be denied access to evidence providing legal justification for Brown’s killing
Posted by: rich@gmu | November 01, 2014 at 07:34 PM
the word they are looking for is hudna
http://therightscoop.com/boko-haram-says-captured-girls-have-been-married-off-to-islamists-denies-claims-of-truce-being-reached/
Posted by: narciso | November 01, 2014 at 07:38 PM
It's the LI characterization of CNN propaganda on Ferguson. The key is at the bottom:
The St.Louis prosecutor wants to get the eyewitness testimony by six blacks, taken immediately after the shooting, on the public record to offset the trash testimony generated by activists over the following days.
Posted by: RickB | November 01, 2014 at 07:41 PM
still waiting for that honest conversation ... any day.
Posted by: rich@gmu | November 01, 2014 at 07:43 PM
The Independent candidate supported by George Soros and now the entire Democrat establishment. I think I can see through this one...
Posted by: GMax | November 01, 2014 at 07:46 PM
Honest conversation? Here it is:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2b21yAeEpQ
Posted by: MarkO | November 01, 2014 at 07:47 PM
the ducks up 14 - 3 early.
Posted by: rich@gmu | November 01, 2014 at 08:01 PM
must be JOM date night ...
Posted by: rich@gmu | November 01, 2014 at 08:02 PM
Ernst just joined Cotton on the walk to the winner's circle. I'm glad to see my Heritage favorites in early so focus can be kept on the GOPe turtle races.
Posted by: RickB | November 01, 2014 at 08:07 PM
Ernst just joined Cotton on the walk to the winner's circle. I'm glad to see my Heritage favorites in early so focus can be kept on the GOPe turtle races.
Posted by: RickB | November 01, 2014 at 08:07 PM
taking him at face value is a mistake:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/24/sp-ukraine-russia-cold-war
Posted by: narciso | November 01, 2014 at 08:08 PM
I see the Mids are in a bit of a sticky wicket early.
Posted by: Danube on iPad | November 01, 2014 at 08:15 PM
Rick-
Is she leading in the recent polling against Braley?
Posted by: rich@gmu | November 01, 2014 at 08:16 PM
wasn't going to give the play by play DoT cause I didn't want to spoil it ...
Posted by: rich@gmu | November 01, 2014 at 08:18 PM
Rich,
The Des Moines Register (which endorsed Braley) has a poll this evening giving her a 51-47 lead and showing her ahead in all four CDs. Braley is not even carrying his own CD. It's a definite shift in the wind for Iowa and will affect the legislature as well, given Branstad's very high popularity.
Posted by: RickB | November 01, 2014 at 08:28 PM
Lots of good games on right now. Hard to keep track.
Cowbell U finally wakes up.
Ole Miss is up.
Navy is down but not out.
And the Gators are still celebrating in the River City.
Posted by: Jack is Back! | November 01, 2014 at 08:28 PM
Navy tied. Damn that was fast.
Posted by: Jack is Back! | November 01, 2014 at 08:29 PM
Thanks, Rich. We are leaving in about twenty monites and I'll turn on the DVR and watch the rest when we get home. There are a couple of other Canoe U. guys at the dinner so it may be on there.
Nice answering drive.
Posted by: Danube on iPad | November 01, 2014 at 08:29 PM
http://www.politico.com/story/2014/10/bill-clinton-plugs-kay-hagan-in-nc-112395.html?hp=LGA&un_destination
Levin's nomination for dumbest headline of the year.
I don't think it's dumb at all.
Posted by: Dave (in MA) | November 01, 2014 at 08:29 PM
Here's a great article on the non-science of dietary salt restrictions:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/03/opinion/sunday/we-only-think-we-know-the-truth-about-salt.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
Why looky there, it's in the New York Times...
Posted by: plinkada | November 01, 2014 at 08:31 PM