Back To Benghazi

Not everyone is endorsing the House Intelligence Committee report that more or less gave the Administration a pass for the Benghazi debacle.

Comments

[narciso]

you can start here and work backward to October 2012

[Beasts of England]

Hillary! Fauxcahontas!

[daddy]

Beautiful Pieces, Clarice.

Having missed the Obama speech and almost all the aftermath, you did a great job of putting it all together and spelling out the probable consequences. Excellent, and many thanks.

I'm thinking someone could make a mint if they could invent comfortable "Museum" shoes.

[daddy]

I wonder it we could get Ward Churchill to publicly come out and vouch for Fauxcahontas's Indian pedigree? He's such a loathsome, repulsive character I think an endorsement from him would do her a ton of political harm.

[RickB]

The non-endorsement by Graham goes along with his recommendation for a Joint Select Committee picking up Gowdy's work.

The Trial of Red Witch hasn't even begun.

[Jane]

I want to know what the deal with Mike Rogers is. I want to know if he is hiding something. Isn't he leaving office in January? I want to know if that is why. I expect that kind of behavior from the dems (not the leaving part) but I don't expect it from him.

[Old Lurker]

I wonder too, Jane. That is odd for a honcho.

[Cecil Turner]

[reposted from last thread]

Fox has the full report (minus attachments) up for the Benghazi investigation. Surprisingly close to the AP version.

Left unanswered: why CIA Director Michael Morell changed the talking points to imply they had hard evidence of a connection to the video . . . whilst removing practically every mention to terrorists.

[Jack is Back!out]

It is no secret in DC how much in the bag the G2 committees are with the community. They get private compartementlized briefings, have a revolving door for staff and despite Feinstein temper tantrum it was a blue on blue skirmish considering how much the CIA has been populated by Dem operatives and sympathizers.

Browns about ready to blow the game to the Falcons.

[Cecil Turner]

Things put to rest in the report:

• No military support available;
• No inappropriate "stand down" orders;
• No politicians involved in the talking points redrafts.

I've continuously resisted the various conspiracy theories on this one, and thought there was a bad case of overpromising. That said, Morell's changes to the talking points are hard to justify--or to explain, except for partisan politics. Unfortunately, if he sticks to his story, it's hard to see how it goes anywhere else (except for the fact that Graham points out: he's lied about it before Congress).

[rse]

Great Sultan Knish on immigration. http://sultanknish.blogspot.com/2014/11/amnesty-for-unamerica.html

[Jane]

why CIA Director Michael Morell changed the talking points to imply they had hard evidence of a connection to the video . . . whilst removing practically every mention to terrorists.

WEll he's part of Hillary's inner circle, which could explain it.

[Jane]

Apparently all of the overseas people involved with Benghazi say the report is shit.

[maryrose]

JIB: say it isn't so!
Will repost some comments from the former thread.
daddy: I love imagining you on that train from Cambridge to London. I loved London and Cambridge when I visited there.
My family is much like MM's and AliceH and Janet's. After winning some of my parents's items by putting a preference note in a box we ended up giving some things we won away to others who had expressed an interest.
A can of Crisco was a fixture on our stove while I was growing up.
Steph: You sound like a wonderful cook. I wouldlove to see you and clarice in a bake-off!
clarice: You have outdone yourself today with your column. Have a great time with your wonderful grandchild!

[maryrose]

Jane: I can't begin to tell you how infuriated I am about the Benghazi story. It is both heartbreaking and insidious. To stand there and lie to everyone about the cause of their deaths in front of their coffins goes to a place I call beyond the pale. The thought of anyone prospering {as Obama has by being re-elected under false pretenses} by this travesty of justice just enrages me. Hillary should not get a pass here.

[Jack is Back!out]

Brian Hoyer goes from goat to hero in the blink of an eye. Browns win.

[maryrose]

JIB:
Thank you Jesus! My theory holds true. If I don't watch they win. It is amazing what a little pressure{Johnny Football waiting in the wings} can do for your motivation.
Hoyer is a St Ignatius High School boy and the training he got there helps him to gut it out. My husband also played for Ignatius back in the day.
anamanon: Thank you for those kind words wrt your dad. I only watch because I know my dad would want me to. As you can tell I was definitely a daddy's girl.

[Jim Eagle]

Pete Carroll beleives its completely okay for the reciever to have to wear the defender like a back pack on passing plays. Most obvious D pass interference I have seen in the season so far.

[maryrose]

CecilTurner: Are people just allowed to lie to Congress with impunity now? Something isn't right here. Those survivors said they were told to wait by a guy they were calling"Ed".

[maryrose]

JIB: Agreed I have seen a lot of that lately, especially in the games that were played yesterday on the college level Some of these receivers are literally moving forward with the guy on their back.

[maryrose]

Rand Paul questioned Hillary about those guns going from Libya to Syria and she got all flustered.

[matt]

There are a lot of discrepancies in that report. AFRICOM in Sigonello had a QRF available within 4 hours. We had F-16's available at Aviano. 6th Fleet HQ had its own security task force. And none of them were called into action.

I blogged at the time and put the trail of crumbs together. The NYT published the next morning that it was a terrorist attack as did many other news sources. Now we are supposed to believe that the intel services all f'd up? Really?

Obama disappeared from the scene at 5:30Pm, right in the middle of the attack. There has been no accounting for his whereabouts. And what about Hillary's video apology to the Pakistani people? Or that it took until October for the president to sorta kinda admit it was terrorism, or his appearance on The View or all of the other lies?

This thing is a whitewash plain and simple.

[narciso]

it's a travismockasham, the question is why, the answer concerns Syria, which is the ongoing scam, Bel Hadj is the leader of the Islamists who had enough clout to tell the local militias like the February 17th to stand down, much money and material, transited to Syria, supposedly for the benefit of the FSA, but Entous reveals that is a fiction,

the men on the ground, Parento, and company, say it's bollocks, well if they were British,

[Thomas Collins]

Another solid win for the Patriots over another division leader, Detroit (now a former division leader). In this seven game winning streak, the only game in which the Patriots were put to the test in the fourth quarter was the game against Rex's Jets. Meanwhile, from the highlights, it looked as if the Browns' Josh Gordon is in top form notwithstanding this being his first game back from suspension.

[narciso]

who I was referring to:

http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2014/11/22/benghazi-annex-security-team-members-disagree-forcefully-with-house-intel-committee-report/

[Jim Eagle]

maryrose and matt,

We are to stupid to understand the nuances of National security and global intelligence, strategic diplomacy. Do not question your others when it comes to adding up 2+2. They know the answer and their report is an absolute confirmaiton of their infallibility.

How do you explain the POTUS and SecState standing in front of 4 coffins and telling their relatives that they will get that video maker who made all that happen? They didn't have to go to Dover but they did. They didn't have to blame a video and let the local authorities make a big deal of arresing the maker, but they did.

In fact, they didn't have to do anything but call it a terrorist attack and we lost 4 and we are going to make it right. But they didn't.

Why does that not bother anyone but they are willing to accept a congressional report in which we were never invited to the hearings?

You know why? Because we are stupid.

[narciso]

someone tell the ditz king to ditch this detail:

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/11/obama-may-travel-to-ferguson-address-systematic-issues/

[Jim Eagle]

narc,

Because he and his puppet masters know that beyond the trashing in November and his tepid immigration proposal, a racial riot will sink him into the abyss. He needs to make it a non-event in which he appears to be a modern day MLK.

Unfortunately, the Secret Service will never let it happen and if they do they better bring more than the anti-sniper team.

[Jim Eagle]

Ladies and Gentleman: Are you ready to Ruuuuuuuuuuuuuuummmmmble?

[Jane]

This thing is a whitewash plain and simple.

And why is Mike Rogers in on it. Is there something more covert they are trying to hide that he was in on?

[narciso]

well I was going for the alliteration, JiB, I guess this is similar to the explanation that Snow gave for the passing of the Gamesmaker in the first Hunger Games, or how Alma Coin squares accounts,

[Jim Eagle]

Hail to the Rekskins
Hail victory.
Braves on the warpath
Fight for old DC.

Don't get your hopes up.

[daddy]

Another reason why we shouldn't believe a word this Administration has said about Benghazi:

‘Any way we can fix Fox?’ Sharyl Attkisson details WH and DOJ plotting media manipulation

[Extraneus]

Sad to read the stories about siblings fighting over heirlooms and such in the previous thread.

When my mom died, I became the trustee of her living trust. Her house was a mess, and took many thousands before it was cleaned out, fixed up, and rentable. My bros couldn't/wouldn't/didn't contribute, so I ended up loaning the trust over $40K by the time it was all said and done.

I paid every bill, rented out the house, started to pay myself back, and provided detailed regular statements, accounting for every penny. I could have paid myself interest, and according to the trust document even a fee for my services, but never did.

Ultimately, the house burned down and my one brother, who had to that point done nothing at all to help, knew a contractor and handled the rebuilding.

By the time I sold the house and got ready to divide up the money, that brother accused me of embezzling, threatened to sue me, and demanded a 15% commission for his efforts.

Of course I denied that and split everything equally, but the whole thing left us all barely speaking.

Blech.

[daddy]

And how come they haven't blamed this on Global warming?

BBC: Seals Discovered Having Sex With Penguins.

[Extraneus]

That Attkisson piece is something, isn't it?

[Tonto]

"Unfortunately, the Secret Service will never let it happen..." Gus is the go-to guy on the thread about these sorts of things, but ....

A zillion years ago I spent New Year's Eve with Chip Carter when his father was president. He was determined to go to Studio 54 to get some cocaine that he claimed Steve Rubel had offered him. As much as he wheedled and demanded, they would not take him (us) there. Not really on point, but true, and does address the role of the SS!

[Jim Eagle]

daddy,

I blame it on Clinton:)

[Extraneus]

Daddy, you should go see the piece at Attkisson's site if you haven't already.

http://sharylattkisson.com/docs-adviser-tells-attorney-general-holder-how-to-manipulate-press-on-fast-furious

[Eric in Boise]

Seals Discovered Trying to Have Sex With Penguins

Heh. Every girl crazy 'bout a sharp dressed man.

[Ben]

If all Benghazi represents is entertainment, sobeit. But if you are really interested in conspiracies, you might want to address the landscape and the pot-holes ad infinitum.

I note but one poster who commemorated Nov 22nd @ JOM. 41 years and we still don't have definitive answers from anyone, anywhere.

I hesitate to update the following 40 years of intrigue only because i don't wish to choke the meat grinder

[Jim Eagle]

tonto,

I have an acquaintance who has in the house in Florida during Our annual Boxing Day to-do diring Christmas when Ford died and drove back unencumbered by state police at 120 miles and hour to run the funeral show. He was the top guy in the WH and he is the one who told me that whatever you hear or believe - we run the show not the POTUS. I believe him.

He is now down here, retired and happy to be away from the political BS he had to put up with for 30 years. Fishing!

[squaredance]

If you want to figure out what Rogers is up too, look at his wife's "career".

The Rogers are just more of the same: corrupt members of the Nomenklatura; it does not matter what letter is after their name.

[Tonto]

Jack,

It certainly was true in my limited experience. They were adult, unflinching and uncompromising. At the time, I was very grateful for their authoritarian presence. My boss, Arthur Krim, who was the head of the brand new Orion Pictures, put me in a crummy position ... and in those days if you bucked (no typo jokes, please) your boss you didn't have a job the next day. Especially in the movie business.

[Eric in Boise]

I don't feel like responding to BenDana, but there has to be a joke somewhere in the last four words of his 5:47.

[Ben]

I think Rogers will figure highly in the Senate torture report; even worse than Feinstein. But he's already secured his golden parachute.

[jimmyk]

Some of that stuff in Attkisson's story could be defended as garden-variety media spinning, though one of the quotes sounds like advice to Holder to lie. But this seems especially chilling:

[Schmaler to Schultz regarding my reporting on Fast and Furious] “No stories..From NYT, AP, Reuters, WaPo, NBC, Bloomberg … I'm also calling Sharryl's editor and reaching out to Scheiffer. She’s out of control.”

.

[Jane]

OL,

Big fire in Nantucket on Polpus Rd. Local news is showing pix. I think there are some multi-kajillion $$ homes up there.

[Jane]

Wow Tonto!

[Jane]

Squaredance,

Any chance you can reveal what her job is, instead of me looking it up?

[Jane]

Nevermind. I assume this is what squaredance is referring to.

http://dailycaller.com/2014/06/17/unraveling-benghazi-is-mike-rogers-part-of-the-problem/

[daddy]

Thanks Ext,

Just catching up. And just got the hotel Bar to find FootBall! We have Denver/Miami, with no advertisements, and British Announcers who don't have to speak every second.

[Old Lurker]

Thanks Jane...will check it out. Have friends on Polpis.

[narciso]

Here is the difference between our side, putatively and there side, the report on the handling of detainees under extensive interrogation, is much like the Kerry report in the 80s, they took testimony from the lowest of scum, like cartel moneylaunderers, who were all to willing to besmirch the right people for a price, Lawrence Walsh put things in his final report he couldn't prove, because they could do it,

I've wondered in the 80s, how did the Taliban really get into power, someone like a Haqquani, whose brood will be causing us trouble three generations hence, Homeland
paints the modern picture, they dealt with him, and by proxy they dealt with Bin Laden, because these were the people that the ISI vouched for, and everybody, Robert Kaplan,
the Times correspondent in Pakistan, bought the story, but this was the Genovese's of the Northwest Frontier, I think the parallel is apt,

[narciso]

Yes, his wife, is the head of a security contracting outfit, she previously served at Homeland's Custom's division, in Baghdad, started as a staffer for John Engler,

that still doesn't explain taking a dive, here,

[narciso]

so a generation later, you have the likes of a Bel Hadj, and Bin Qumu, they have shown their commitment to fighting the West, but they are die hards, as they would come to be called, so they are put in the position of recruiting and training the rebels against Qaddafi, and that works out much the way you think.

[Danube on iPad]

When my niece (now wildly successful) was starting out in the movie business thirty years ago, Joe Roth offered to hire her on the spot at double her then-current salary. She consulted with her mentor, telling him how she was fond of her current boss and reluctant to walk out on him. His advice: "Honey, in this town loyalty is not a virtue. In fact it is frowned upon."

She took the job.

[narciso]

You got a better deal, than we do daddy,

[Beasts of England]

lol, Eric!!

[Iggy]

I for one am greatly encouraged that this milquetoast report means we can count on the Geezer Age Mutant Palooka Turtles to play some crafty, brush-back hardball in the coming months and years.
(Insert eye rolling emoticon here)

[Jim Eagle]

daddy has the local Fox ( Sky) 9pm GMT game on. Is Martin johnson still a commentor, daddy? He led England to the last WC in Rugby and always wanted to play OL for an NFL team.

[Iggy]

--A zillion years ago I spent New Year's Eve with Chip Carter when his father was president.--

I've lost an occasional bet, but never one that bad.

[Extraneus]

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[daddy]

Sorry Jack,

I've missed the Brit announcers names. They just sound like pleasant, non-overbearing guys enjoying a good football game. At ad times they show updates on the other games, so I see your Redskins and DoT's Chargers are both still alive.

[Tonto]

You know, Jane, it was kind of a time and place thing (New York on the eve of 1979). Drugs were everywhere and nobody (in that show biz milieu ) was very thoughtful about it. What was more telling was how wildly indiscreet Chip was about national affairs -- not only did he tell me things I shouldn't have known -- HE shouldn't have known them!

He was separated from his wife and I had split up with a boyfriend (Jewish) and was talking about my romantic history, and he said, "What are you doing with all those Jews, anyway?" -- which now makes a lot more sense than it did at the time.

[Eric in Boise]

loyalty is not a virtue. In fact it is frowned upon

Danube, it troubles me not a small amount that that no longer seems to apply to just Hollywood, but business in general. When I was a kid I remember being taught that loyalty to an employer would always pay dividends.

Yeah, get off my lawn.

[Jane]

OL,

92 Polpus Rd owned by Sally Charple. Apparently it was the guest house and the person residing there is okay.

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2014/11/23/firefighters-battle-nantucket-blaze/

[Jane]

"What are you doing with all those Jews, anyway?" -- which now makes a lot more sense than it did at the time.

Tonto,

Ugh. That was the unheard of son, right. Is it just he and Amy?

How old was he in '79?

[narciso]

an explanation for the whitewash:

[Tonto]

DoT -- is your niece in creative or production?

[Old Lurker]

Thanks jane...was just watching the video on Inky and had google mapped the house.

[new lurker]

Jane, Carter had two sons and Amy.

[mockmook]

Kudos to Lindsey Graham (of all people) to call the House Benghazi report a bunch of crap.

[Miss Marple]

Good evening!

Lots of driving around in the rain today (church, shopping mall, sister's home,, picking up grandson at work, granddaughter's birthday party) and I am sick of being in the car!

Dogs are fussy because they can't go outside without getting wet. (They are spoiled.)

[Joan]

Mike Rogers, what a surprise and disappointment. But, then, so many Republicans do that to me. I was charged up about our sharp little Trey Gowdy, thinking he'd get the truth. Haven't read a thing about his report.

I keep saying I'm thru with politics, but can't seem to stay away.

I know you all don't like Lindsay Graham, but I read that he said the report is full of crap. :)

[James D.]

I've got a request: our cat is very sick. We're not sure what exactly is going on with her, but she's not doing well at all. Please send prayers and good thoughts her way; she really needs them. Thank you!

[new lurker]

But, you must remember, Joan, he is a member of The Gang of Eight.

[clarice]

Jane, I meant "playing" with the wolverine. She is a great baker BTW with her one recipe collection and made us yummy chocolate chip cookies last night--from scratch, of course.

daddy, you are right about marble floors-you might want to look into --ugh--Birkenstocks--they make them in leather shoes as well as sandals..You won't regret having them for museum viewing.

My mother has given me her valuables to hold and distribute on her death==to be honest I don't think anyone wants that jewelry--and if and when the time comes I'm thinking of asking them if they'd recommend a dealer to whom we can sell it and divide it up. I already sent her silver to my niece at her suggestion. In my experience what your heirs want most is real estate and bonds, not china, crystal , silverware, jewels and old fur coats. Just saying.
Today we had a shower for my niece who mercifully became pregnant just as my nephew's (fatal) brain cancer returned. Live goes on and I cannot imagine fights with sibs--I love mine with all my heart and I have reason to believe it's mutual, even though we live far apart and lead far different lives.

[clarice]

her *own* recipe collection.

[Jim Eagle]

Redskins OL and RGIII are a joke toinight and don't get me started on the defense. No urgency, no passion, no nothihg. He really isn't that good in the pocket and without his old wheels he is a very poor idea of a QB. But then he doesn;t really have an OL or receivers to ameiolrate his defects.

What a waste of draft choices.

[Miss Marple]

JamesD,

Of course I will, and a special prayer to St. Francis for intercession! He saved my dog when she ate a bunch of my blood pressure pills!

Saint Francis of Assisi, for our Animal Friends

Heavenly Father, our human ties with our friends of other species is wonderful and special gift from You. We now ask You to grant our special animal companions your Fatherly care and healing power to take away any suffering they have. Give us, their human friends, new understanding of our responsibilities to these creatures of Yours. They have trust in us as we have in You; our souls and theirs are on this earth together to give one another friendship, affection, and caring. Take our heartfelt prayers and fill Your ill or suffering animals with healing Light and strength to overcome whatever weakness of body they have.

We especially pray for James D.'s cat, who is sick.

Your goodness is turned upon every living thing and Your grace flows to all Your creatures. From our souls to theirs goodness flows, touching each of us with the reflection of Your love. Grant to our special animal companions long and healthy lives. Give them good relationships with us, and if You see fit to take them from us, help us to understand that they are not gone from us, but only drawing closer to You. Grant our prayer through the intercession of good St. Francis of Assisi, who honored You through all Your creatures. Give him the power to watch over our animal friends until they are safely with You in eternity, where we someday hope to join them in giving You honor forever. Amen.

[James D.]

Thank you, MM. That means so much.

[Beasts of England]

Prayers for your cat, James D.

(Thanks for posting that Miss Marple)

[Miss Marple]

James D, I am serious about St. Francis. When my dog Maggie was a little over a year old, she got into my blood pressure pills and ate a bunch.

When I found her I took her to the emergency vet clinic. She was almost catatonic and the vet didn't know if they could save her. They had to talk to Purdue and send blood work up there almost every 6 hours.

They really said there wasn't much chance, but I prayed to St. Francis to intercede for her and she miraculously perked up the next day.

I am a believer that he does look after small creatures, so give him a shout.

[James D.]

JiB, it's mind-boggling how Snyder and Shanahan completely ruined RGIII.

Giving him special privileges (ESPN had something today that his wife was allowed to visit practices when no other player families were, etc) and the rest of Snyder's behavior towards him did him no favors in the locker room.

Shanahan might have wrecked his knees for good by letting him stay in the playoff game 2 years ago, and then probably rushing him back last season.

They spent basically three drafts to get him, and they destroyed him in one season. Amazing.

[Stephanie riding a streetcar named Desire]

I am NOT a great cook. Lol

I just have certain things for holidays that I do fairly well which are usually my grandma's recipes. I am not adventurous at all. Most of what I cook starts with a box, jar or whatever and I doctor em up to suit my tastes. I don't even make spaghetti from scratch - jar with some additions (roasted garlic, MOAR seasonings).

I envy those like Clarice, beasts and rse who cook all that exotic stuff. My adventures usually end up with a phone call to Pizza Hut as they are inedible.

[Jane]

I know Clarice, but I liked it better my way!

Joan,

I keep saying that timing is everything. We want the Gowdy report to come out the day after Hillary is nominated. Discovery takes a while, and I'm pretty sure he is doing a lot of it.

[James D.]

I will, MM. Your prayer is beautiful.

[narciso]

prayers for your cat, James,

seriously, they should call them the Red Shirts,

[Jim Eagle]

JamesD,

The curse of Snyder. It may be better to change the name after all.

[Miss Marple]

Joan and Jane, Gowdy said he wasn't going to be doing a lot of this on TV. He was more interested in getting depositions in writing and assembling evidence ahead of a report.

So I am not surprised we haven't seen much on television. That wasn't his plan.

(It occurs to me that if it isn't on television the administration doesn't know who is testifying nor what is being said, so they cannot spin things nor do they have a heads up on what lies to tell.

Sometimes flying below the radar is helpful.

[Tonto]

Absolutely, James D, and thank you, MM for posting that prayer.

[Jane]

Gateway Pundit has a pix of Michael Brown's father wearing a T-shirt that says:

"Gone To Soon"

Hoft asks: Who's Soon?

I think that pretty much sums it up.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/11/whats-wrong-with-mikebrown-sr-s-t-shirt/

[narciso]

Oratory like this hasn't been heard since I don't know when:

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/11/obama-throws-hillary-under-bus-americans-looking-for-new-car-smell-in-next-president-video/

[Beasts of England]

Stephanie!! What do you mean you don't make your own spaghetti sauce (marinara)? I'm gonna have to come back to the 404 and bring a few recipes. This will not stand!! Argh. ;)

[Eric in Boise]

Prayers on the way, James. I hope she gets better.

[Jim Eagle]

Out on a limb but I will make my super bowl pick today:

Green Bay v. NE Patriots.

Who you got?

[James D.]

On the bright side, JiB, it may not be completely hopeless for RGIII. It took six years before Phil Simms managed to play a full season, and look how he turned out in the end...

Oh, right, Snyder will still be the owner three years from now. Forget about that bright side.

[Stephanie riding a streetcar named Desire]

For the Hollywoodites:

Atlanta is a growing production mecca (now #3 behind Hollywood and NY) and I've been thinking about starting a sewing/fittings business that would do the fittings and alterations for casts and extras (we have casting and extras calls daily with many requiring fittings).

Would I approach the casting firms or the production companies to see about getting contract work from them?

Also, what about specialty sewing for sets, do they contract that through the prod companies or is it a closed captured already in some interior designer's back pocket business that newbies have no chance of getting into?

Thanks in advance.

[rse]

Steph-funny you said that as I just made a 3 grain pilaf with pearled barley, bulgar wheat, and brown rice. It is simmering.

Cod with 3 TBS of mayo, 3 TBS melted butter, 1/2 cup grated parm cheese, dash tabasco, lemon juice, and 2 TBS chopped scallions.

You melt the sauce after fish is cooked for about 2 minutes.

Cooking and good wine is how I chill from all these terrible ideas I deal with most days.

One last note on family battles dealing with the awful step grandmother who just thought if she was ugly enough to me and my brother she would no longer have to deal with any of the grandchildren from the first marriage did help turn me into a very tough negotiator.

It's not a bad life lesson to learn that great ugliness can go on in beautiful homes.