I Believe It Is Cooling For Our Time

John Kerry on the China-US climate agreement. I probably ought to read it eventually, but I am busy now and can wait a bit to learn how Kerry (and Obama!) afre geniuses who have been right about everything.

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[lyle]

Dammit. I really wanted to be third or fourth.

[peter]

It is still not too late for that lyle. Inject that momentum

[NKontheNovreboot]

TomM- if you want a real laugh riot, update with the Reuters quote someone linked to in the prior thread. This 'deal' ia a mockery of a sham of a fraud,

[NKontheNovreboot]

It is still not too late for that lyle. Inject that momentum
Posted by: peter | November 12, 2014 at 01:19 PM

Peter, you cheeky boy... I see what you did there.

[Miss Marple]

I am here on this new thread to warn everyone once again that Mike Pence would be a terrible candidate.

Thank you for your attention.

[lyle]

LOL, peter!

[Captain Hate]

When I think of sciency stuff, Clutch Cargo comes right to mind.

[NKontheNovreboot]

So while Putin and the ChiComs sign the equivalent of the von Ribbentropp non-aggression pact at the grown up table, Obummer gets the Chamberlainesque 'in our time' scrap of paper at the kiddie table. Got it.
We'll definitely find out soon if Obummer will go below 38% approval without an Equities Crash.

[Jack is Back!]

John Kerry: Selling out his country his entire adult life.

[daddy]

I'll read it for you TM!

Kerry: That’s why it matters that the world’s most consequential relationship has just produced something of great consequence in the fight against climate change. LIE.

Kerry: Today, President Obama and Chinese President Xi Jinping are jointly announcing targets to reduce carbon emissions in the post-2020 period. LIE

Kerry: The commitment of both presidents to take ambitious action LIE

Kerry: sends an important signal that we must get this agreement done, LIE

Kerry: The targets themselves are also important. LIE

Kerry: We are on track to meet that goal, while creating jobs and growing the economy LIE

Kerry: The Chinese targets also represent a major advance. LIE

Kerry: We are confident that China can and will reach peak emissions before 2030 LIE

Kerry: Two countries regarded for 20 years as the leaders of opposing camps in climate negotiations – have come together to find common ground LIE

[Captain Hate]

I'm glad that 404 continues to go full retard after the voters smacked him around; I'd hate to live in a world where Tammy Bruce didn't scream throughout a large portion of her broadcast.

[lyle]

Anyone catch the PBS special on SEAL teams last night? Incredibly fascinating and preposterously even-handed for PBS. I just stumbled across it and stayed up past my bedtime to finish watching.

[Miss Marple]

Captain Hate,

Had a friend call me this morning thinking that 404 should be arrested for the attempted Iran deal.

I am thinking that if he keeps on his present course, by spring the pitchforks and torches will be amassing on Pennsylvania Avenue.

I am grateful for Gruber, though. It lets everyone see EXACTLY what they think of us.

Off to get my hair cut.

[Dave (in MA)]

CH, does that make Psaki and Harf Spinner and Paddlefoot?

[Captain Hate]

Dave did you remember them or just look them up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFnLirXjjto

[Porchlight]

MM, when Porch shows up today, she can tell you how happy she is in her Anglican church, one of the former Episcopal spinoffs now under the umbrella of a few Anglican bishops in Africa. Those are stealing more and more of us, even in DC.

Didn't get to the last thread in time. Yes, it is great being part of the conservative Anglican movement, but our church is still very small. On a good day I have six kids in my Sunday School class. Hoping to do better in our new building when it's finished.

I think anyone raised Episcopalian would love using the 1928 Book of Common Prayer. One of the most beautiful documents in English IMO.

Here is the prayer for soldiers I used yesterday:

O LORD God of Hosts, stretch forth, we pray thee, thine almighty arm to strengthen and protect the soldiers of our country; Support them in the day of battle, and in the time of peace keep them safe from all evil; endue them with courage and loyalty; and grant that in all things they may serve without reproach; through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen.

[Danube on iPad]

What was the title of the PBS program, lyle? Maybe it'll be shown again.

[Thomas Collins]

Someone tell Thorne-Heinz and 404 that the targets on which the Chicoms are focusing don't involve greenhouse gas emissions, but relate to military and civilian targets in Asia and the US.

[Captain Hate]

Having Porch as a Sunday School teacher sounds like about as good as it gets.

[rich@gmu]

afternoon everyone.

I see on the other thread hit broke out the spreadsheets for the Va elections. Yikes and Double Yikes!!!

and I see that Steyer is getting his money's worth by having Zero and Thorne-Heinz signing a climate change bill that doesn't do anything ... [inject momentum ... wtf]

wish I were in St Thomas with the other OM cruisers ...

[lyle]

Apolgies, DoT, I don't know for certain what the exact title was. Honestly, I was half in the tank when I came across it. (Got some good news yesterday). But it was riveting. Especially the interviews with the Nam SEALs. Sombitch, those guys are incredibly brave.

[Captain Hate]

After a couple days in the 60s it's as cold as an ex-wife's heart in NE Ahia.

[RickB]

"I'll read it for you TM!"

Daddy,

Please exercise great caution when ingesting prog fodder. There are scientistic studies which prove a steady diet of prog fodder increases credulity and gullibility while diminishing intellectual capability. One need only consider the average NYT subscriber to see evidence of the risk of constant consumption.

The axiom "Kerry spoke, therefore he lied" really doesn't require additional proof.

[rich@gmu]

oops ... surprisingly English is my first language: sign a climate change agreement

(anyway wanted to come up with some clever gibberish ... the historic agreement injected momentum into the gravity of the climate change histogram whereby the density of heating and cooling on our pale blue dot will be forever changing)

anyway ... I need more coffee.

[Dave (in MA)]

CH, that's about the only thing I can recall from that show. One of them is a kid and the other is a dog.

[Fred Beloit]

Mother Jones[a Mad Magazine] calls the treaty a "game changer." Seriously. In fact, however, it is the farthest thing from a game changer. It is merely an agreement that may or may not be carried out.

[Sue]

I wouldn't be a window washer on a skyscraper for any amount of money. Never, ever, ever.

[rich@gmu]

the lander is named Philae, Rosetta is the orbiter. ESA is the agency. It was launched on an Ariane.

http://spectrum.ieee.org/tech-talk/aerospace/robotic-exploration/europes-comet-chasing-probe-arrives-after-10year-trek

good stuff.

[Dave (in MA)]

Necessaliry skylocket.

[Sue]

Hit,

Dirk's big night was sort of anticlimactic after the Mavs came back from 24 points down to win by 8. He acknowledged his achievement but went right back to playing b-ball. He is the most humble super star in the history of super stars.

[Dave (in MA)]

PS, Janet, I never said that.

[rich@gmu]

M/J need something for the faithful to rally around. A bit like the Japanese radio announcers always announcing great victories for the Co-Prosperity Sphere ever closer to Japan ...

[jimmyk on iPad]

Mrs K had a show on last night about the killing of Bin Laden, interviewing the Seal who went public. Was that the PBS show? I only caught part of it, but it was pretty interesting, whatever you think of the guy's recent actions.

[Captain Hate]

He is the most humble super star in the history of super stars.

I've gotten a great amount of pleasure watching Dirk play throughout his career. The Mavs championship was one of the high points of my not short sports viewing life.

[matt]

We had a veteran's Mass last night at 5:30. Half a dozen or eight vet's attended and maybe 50 others. About the average for a weekday Mass.

Afterwards, I approached an old fellow using a walker and asked if he was a vet. He spoke with a heavy accent and said yes, but of the British Army. He was a Pole who had fought in Italy at Monte Cassino, one of the worst battles of the war.

By the end of the battle, the monastery, built @ 850AD or so, was gone. The Germans were dug in deep in the catacombs and Cassino was a strong point in the Winter Line. Italy is one line of mountains after another headed north and was a terrible campaign.

I mentioned to the gentleman that my wife and I had visited the Polish military cemetery there, and he teared up. He said over 2,000 were buried there. There was another, French cemetery as well where we prayed as well as a German cemetery where we did the same.

Over in London, they had 880,000+ poppies surrounding the Tower in memory of the Commonwealth casualties in World War I. The British do tradition very well and some don't forget.

[rich@gmu]

man this would have been an awesome project to work on

http://www.esa.int/Our_Activities/Space_Science/Rosetta/Frequently_asked_questions

[lyle]

Actually, "brave" barely describes those dudes. Among the many interesting aspects about SEALs that I really wasn't aware of is how...normal sized--even undersized by most male standards they are. The show delved into this in some detail.

Interesting anecdote:

Some years ago my alma mater went to San Diego for a bowl game against TCU. Our travel package put us at the Hyatt near Seaport where our team happened to be staying as well. It rained almost the entire time so we hung out in the hotel lobby for most of the time before gametime. Word got around that the freshman and sophmore football players were sent over to Coronado to train with the SEALs. We happened to be pretty close to the hotel entrance when they returned. I've never felt so sorry for young studly athletes ever in my life until then. Hoo Boy!

[Sue]

Dirk gave up money this year in order to make another run at the ring. Kobe didn't. Dirk never gets endorsements here but I'm told back in Germany he does.

[lyle]

The OBL SEAL thing was on Fox, I believe, jimmyk. This was PBS, incredibly enough.

[Sue]

Did anyone see Yao Ming on Fox this morning? Clayton is 6'2" and looked like a small child next to him.

[Captain Hate]

Kobe's salary is a huge albatross to the Lakers which they aren't likely to get out from under any time soon. Good thing LA fans have the Clip Joint to cheer for.

[jimmyk on iPad]

" I really wasn't aware of is how...normal sized--even undersized by most male standards they are"

Again, not sure if this was the same show, as it seemed only to be about the OBL raid, but I commented to the missus how kind of scrawny the guy looked. He was saying that basically they all assumed they were going to die in that raid, but they were going to make sure they took OBL with them, and, paraphrasing, "We're all going to die eventually anyway, and this is as good a way to go as any."

[rich@gmu]

was this it?

http://www.pbs.org/veterans/stories-of-service/stream-tv/a-to-z/navy-seals/

[lyle]

Way to go, rich! That's it.

[jimmyk on iPad]

Thanks, Lyle. Was it a segment on Hannity? Or instead of Hannity?

[Captain Hate]

Dumb people say dumb things:

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Rangel-tea-party-white-crackers-slavery/2014/11/11/id/606678/?ns_mail_uid=32944113&ns_mail_job=1594917_11122014&s=al&dkt_nbr=heeq8a4n

[daddy]

By the end of the battle, the monastery, built @ 850AD or so, was gone. The Germans were dug in deep in the catacombs and Cassino was a strong point in the Winter Line.

Matt,

Re: Monte Cassino,

I know there has always been controversy about whether or not we should have obliterated it, but I do know that my Pop who was there was of the opinion that it had to be taken out since in his opinion from the battlefield, the German's were indeed using it to target the Allies. Obviously opinions may differ, especially with 20/20 hindsight, but as a guy in charge of boys being shot at he felt it was sad but necessary.

Here's Monte Cassino, before and after:

Thanks for all you do for the Troops, former and current.

[lyle]

It was a separate show from Hannity, jimmyk.

[Ben]

The fossils lament the war on fossils.

http://www3.blogs.rollcall.com/218/emissions-china-deal-obama-boehner/

[centralcal]

Mary Landrieu on Senate floor begging for a vote on XL pipeline ASAP is quite hysterical and desperate. Several idiots on Twitter are suggesting Manchin and Landrieu as Republican converts. Absolutely NO - why would we want these losers in our party?

My favorite Tweet so far today:

Allahpundit ‏@allahpundit

McConnell should colloquy with Manchin and Landrieu. “Do you renounce Satan in all his forms?”

[Threadkiller]

Absolutely NO - why would we want these losers in our party?

(1) to welcome the 100% or (2) keep Libertarians at bay.

[centralcal]

Poor, poor, poor Mary! Bless her little Keystone heart, he has been out maneuvered.

Josh Jordan ‏@NumbersMuncher 1m1 minute ago

Game. Set. Match. MT @AmyAHarder The GOP-controlled House to bring up bill approving Keystone XL tomorrow, sponsored by @BillCassidy.

[Sandy--Engorged Capital~Fallow Districts--Daze]

Re Monte Cassino: We toured it during the time I was stationed at Gaeta. I remember hearing that there were no Germans inside at the time of the bombing. Wiki says this:

On 15 February 1944 the abbey was almost completely destroyed in a series of heavy American-led air raids. The bombing was conducted because many reports from troops on the ground suggested that Germans were occupying the monastery, and it was considered a key observational post by all those who were fighting in the field.[4] However, during the bombing no Germans were present in the abbey. Subsequent investigations have since confirmed that the only people killed in the monastery by the bombing were 230 Italian civilians seeking refuge there.[5] Only after the bombing were the ruins of the monastery occupied by German Fallschirmjäger (paratroopers), aiding them in their defence, because the ruins provided excellent defensive cover.[6]

This site says:

As Basil Liddell Hart pointed out later in his book The Other Side of the Hill the bombing "turned out entirely to the tactical benefit of the Germans. For after that they felt free to occupy the ruins, and the rubble provided mud better defensive cover than the Monastery would have been before its destruction. As anyone with experience of street-fighting knows, it is only when buildings are demolished that they are converted from mousetraps into bastions of defence."

I remember being told by the monks taking us around Monte Cassino that almost all of the rebuild costs were financed with donations from Americans, from across the fruited plain. I am having trouble finding any reference to the source of funding for the rebuild at this time.

[Threadkiller]

Wasn't the other destination for keystone oil China?

I wonder how this fits into the China-America emissions agreement.

[daddy]

On the Muslims taking over the National Cathedral for a day of Multi-culti Kumbaya, we have this local story as another example of the War on Christianity:

Anchorage private school won't host state wrestling tournament after complaints about public prayer

For seven years, Anchorage Christian Schools hosted the wrestling championship for small schools in its gymnasiums, Cobaugh said. The school, which shares an East Anchorage campus with the Baptist temple, serves about 650 students from preschool to high school.

The tournament drew athletes from 1A, 2A and 3A public and private schools around the state, Cobaugh said. The school made no money from hosting the event

About 240 wrestlers and up to 1,500 spectators typically attended the two-day tournament. A prayer -- usually led by a pastor or other school staff -- was a regular feature of the tournament.

“The prayer was not an evangelistic prayer to influence anyone,” he said. “It was a basic prayer for protection of the student athletes, that all would compete well, have good sportsmanship. It was a very generic prayer, if I can use that word. It was unoffensive.”

Well that Prayer was the problem.

An attendee of the 2013 event complained about the Prayer, and the Alaska School Activities Association asked it (the Baptist School) to stop its practice of including a public prayer in the event.

The Church said "No, we won't quit our prayer", so the Tournament no longer will be held at the Baptist School.

Local Talk Radio news update this instant saying Begich says he will not concede.

[Ben]

http://hosted2.ap.org/PASCR/a5050f4ad4f44dafab85bb41a15281cf/Article_2014-11-12-EU-Russia-Military/id-513303ad8d3b4c319a576657a590cb3b

Shades of Cuban nightmares.

http://in.rbth.com/blogs/2014/10/12/why_the_f-35_is_a_sitting_duck_for_the_flankers_38959.html

[narciso]

that was a Mark 'Tiger Beat' Landler piece, wasn't it, the companion piece by Ed Wong,
is how vociferously antiAmerican China is becoming,

[Porchlight]

Aw, thanks, Cap'n. That's sweet.

[NKontheNovreboot]

Chinese anti-Americanism? The Han recognize the 'weak horse' just as well as the Jihadis and Putin.

[Captain Hate]

Didn't Iraqi oil go to China because Thurston Howell the Turd and Chris "Waitress Sammich" Dodd had a conniption that their environmental safeguards weren't up to their delusional standards. After Saddam Hussein opened the spigots at the end of Gulf War 1 I'm pretty sure under Malaki that disaster level wouldn't be attained.

[narciso]

this piece, says it was the Italian govt:

http://touritaly.org/tours/montecassino/cassino01.htm

[Ben]

NATO has been bear-bating and Putin plays jai-alai with his own balls. Which chicken-switch will be pulled first?

[Thomas Collins]

"weak horse"

At this point, NK, as to Kerry and Obama, I'd say weak donkeys, lest we insult weak horses.

[maryrose]

centracal:
I saw poor Mary on the senate floor as well. Thank God Cassidy will have the initial bill with HIS name on it to trump the frump.
Watch Obama veto it just to be snarky. Question if as Mary says they have over 60 votes can they get to the veto proof 67%? Steyer got his pound of flesh in China to justify the millions he sunk into the dem campaigns
The odious Mika has an article today about her BFF Val Jarrett. She calls criticism of old Val "sexist".Mika never said a word when Condi Rice was being mocked. Gruber story had to addressed on morning joke so Mika says "Originally only right wing media{referring to Fox was covering it. And to think these jokers replaced Imus.

[Sandy--Engorged Capital~Fallow Districts--Daze]

Yes, narc, I saw that after my last comment.

I am intrigued and would like to know more, as I am quite certain in my recollection of the tour comment.

[pagar]

"is how vociferously antiAmerican China is becoming,"

While any American who tries to warn us about China will have his career destroyed by the Obama regime.

http://www.navytimes.com/story/military/2014/11/10/senior-navy-intel-officer-removed-for-controversial-comments-on-china/18789539/

[peter]

Daddy at 1:38; does the truth ever come from Kerry's lips?

[maryrose]

Begich continues to show his total lack of class and I believe his fluke of an election the first time at the unethical expense of Ted Stevens is karma revisiting him.

[Threadkiller]

One of the Dems to get the boot was the clown Horsford from Nevada. He will not be missed on Issa's committees.

His opponent's strategy:

Media and pundits wrote off Hardy's chances against the well-financed Horsford as recently as September, when Hardy told donors he agreed with Mitt Romney's controversial 47 percent comment.

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2014/nov/04/cresent-hardy-holds-surprising-lead-rep-steven-hor/

[Danube on iPad]

It was the first hour of a two-hour special on Fox New Channel called something like The Man Who Killed bin Lasen. The second hour airs tonight.

In my experience a typical SEAL is five-nine or -ten and has about one percent body fat. Hard and wiry.

[Ben]

Issa is shop steward for the clown union. That you even obliquely reference him puts you in the Center Ring of the Big Top.

[rich@gmu]

Sandy-

Gen Clark opposed the bombing of it and had stated that if it were an American asking to bomb it he would have refused. The request was by Gen Freyberg of the New Zealand Corp and signed off on by Gen Alexander 15 Army Group.

[narciso]

now I haven't been able to find a source for that claim, besides that site, in a cursory look,

[narciso]

this Snyder piece that you turned up, Captain, is very illuminating about Volodya,

http://www.nybooks.com/blogs/nyrblog/2014/nov/10/putin-nostalgia-stalin-hitler/

there is somewhat of a parallel to the turn, Nicholas 1st took after the Decembrist uprising, had tried to depose his predecessor
Alexander 1st,

[Danube on iPad]

Thanks Rich. It's being shown again overnight. I'm set to record.

[rich@gmu]

Posted by: Captain Hate | November 12, 2014 at 03:15 PM

it did. iirc the first oil deals that the new Iraq government signed were with China.

[Danube on iPad]

"why would we want these losers in our party?"

Numbers. If they vote with the caucus it would only take five Ds to get a cloture vote.

But why aspire to 100% if you're happy with 2.4%?

[Captain Hate]

This is the opposite of the Snyder piece:

http://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/valerie-jarrett-deserves-credit-not-sexist-attacks

[Threadkiller]

But why aspire to 100% if you're happy with 2.4%?

Good point considering 2.4% decide elections.

[daddy]

OT for DoT,

Dennis Miller and Thaddeus McCotter are both raving about loving Keith Richards Biography. Apparently McCotter plays guitar and is a big fan of Richards playing with open tuning. Apparently McCotter has out a new book but Dennis is more interested on his take on The Stones. McCotter is equating our mess of a National Govt to a 6 Sstring Guitar and suggesting that like Richards, we need to minimize it into a 5 string guitar with open tuning, to get a different, more productive output with less. An quirky but fun interview segment.

[narciso]

seeing as Jarrett is responsible for nearly error, in the administration's wheelhouse, how is that sexist?

[NKontheNovreboot]

DoT@3:32-- that description fits exactly my neighbor's 30yo SEAL Team 6 brother. He's also wickedly funny, my bet is a lot of active duty SEALs are that way as well.

[Ben]

"why would we want these losers in our party?"

Numbers"

Or Stockholm Syndrome.

What exactly is the mechanism?

http://rawjustice.com/2010/10/04/15-people-who-married-convicted-murderers/

So WTF was she doing in Ukraine? Chechnya?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2831714/Wanted-British-White-Widow-terrorist-killed-Ukraine-claims-Russian-news-agency.html

[daddy]

""inject momentum" doesn't even make sense scientifically"

Inject momentum sounds like an excrescent mannerism.

[Porchlight]

I always thought that if anyone in rock might be a closet conservative, it would be Keith Richards.

He's a Patrick O'Brian fan, too.

[James D.]

Numbers. If they vote with the caucus it would only take five Ds to get a cloture vote.

But why aspire to 100% if you're happy with 2.4%?

True.

But on the flip side: Do the R's really want not just Landrieu in their caucus, but Landrieu's staff in their meetings and committees, etc?

Mary might or might not slink back to Harry and Chuckie and the gang with lots of Republican dirt...but I imagine a good portion of her staffers would.

[NKontheNovreboot]

This is just a brilliant take down of the ugly and dishonest heart of Big/Crony Gov't programs: http://keithhennessey.com/2014/11/10/honesty-about-lying/

[Danube on iPad]

"2.4% decide elections."

We have seen percentages even lower than that provide the margin of victory. But we do not see such a percentage win them.

[Tonto]

I wish McCotter would get back into politics. What's he doing these days?

[Porchlight]

I would worry about getting backstabbed by Ds in the GOP caucus, for exactly the reason James D. states.

[Threadkiller]

When you are playing Karl Rove's 3 dimensional Lesser of Two Evils, James, you've got to give somewhere.

[Porchlight]

It's time for the daily afternoon political discussion between the same two lefty co-workers. Always on tap: gerrymandering, voter ID, boohooing about turnout for Dems.

[Iggy]

--but I do know that my Pop who was there was of the opinion that it had to be taken out since in his opinion from the battlefield, the German's were indeed using it to target the Allies. Obviously opinions may differ, especially with 20/20 hindsight, but as a guy in charge of boys being shot at he felt it was sad but necessary--

My pop's B 17s were some of the primary obliterators of Monte Cassino from, I think, Tunisia at the time.

IIRC the main objection was the belief at the time that the monastery still contained thousands of irreplaceable manuscripts but the krauts apparently shipped them back to the Vatican prior to the battle.

[Danube on iPad]

Porch, if you haven't read Keith's "Life," you should.

[Captain Hate]

After seeing Mary lie very unconvincingly after Katrina, to hell with her.

[Threadkiller]

Margins are not controlled by parties of 2.4% unless they are being blamed for a loss.

[Captain Hate]

So what's the final verdict on Virginia? Is the state, except for Bratt's district, or Gillespie hopeless?

[clarice]

Do not miss this!!! Gruber's not the only lawyer-the DOJ cited him as a big authority in King--kicked him to the curb in Halbig. Amazing--Heads will roll:
http://online.wsj.com/articles/the-honest-man-1415825249

[Danube on iPad]

I hadn't seen daddy's post when I posted to Porch.

Keith discusses open G tuning in the book, but it was Greek to me. Then I googled it and found some videos of guys using it. It feature in Honky Tonk Women, Brown Sugar and several others.

[lyle]

I always thought that if anyone in rock might be a closet conservative, it would be Keith Richards.

Was it all the heroin use that tipped you off, Porch? ;)