Obama's Immigration Move Bad for Democrats?

The NY Times runs a conta-narrative piece arguing that maybe Democrats don't want to fully abandon white voters:

SAN DIEGO — PRESIDENT OBAMA’S executive order eliminating the threat of deportation for millions of undocumented immigrants is good policy. It is the right thing to do. But it is a dangerous move for theDemocratic Party.

Yes, immigration is an important issue for most Latinos and Asian-Americans. And yes, 63 percent of Latinos and 66 percent of Asian- Americans voted for Democratic candidates for Congress in the midterms. The executive order could solidify and expand that support for years to come.

But Latinos and Asian-Americans made up only 11 percent of the electorate. Even if immigration were the only issue driving their vote — and it most certainly was not — it could have shifted the national partisan balance of power by only a few percentage points.

Whites, meanwhile, accounted for 75 percent of the electorate. Far more than any other group, whites will decide the fate of the parties in the years to come. Unfortunately for the Democratic Party, the data suggest that immigration very much matters for whites.

Yes but throw in women, gays, and the college-educated guilt stricken and maybe they can get to fifty percent.

Immigrants are moving to almost every corner of the nation. They usually look different from the white majority. And, irrespective of the facts, the dominant narrative maintains that immigrants rely heavily on public services like welfare, education and health care, that immigrants take jobs from native-born workers and lower their wages, and that immigration is leading to cultural decline.

I'll score that as two out of three. The evidence on wages convinced even Paul Krugman that waving in unskilled workers from aborad does not exactly boost the wages of the native unskilled. That's why on even numbered days the Dems fret about immigration and on odd-numbered days they fret about stagnant working class and middle class wages - please synchronize your calendars.

And speaking of the Earnsest Prof, we know without looking he supports Obama's latest immigration move, so let's cut to his current rationalization:

That’s why I enthusiastically support President Obama’s new immigration initiative. It’s a simple matter of human decency.

That’s not to say that I, or most progressives, support open borders. You can see one important reason right there in the Baldizzi apartment: the photo of F.D.R. on the wall. The New Deal made America a vastly better place, yet it probably wouldn’t have been possible without the immigration restrictions that went into effect after World War I. For one thing, absent those restrictions, there would have been many claims, justified or not, about people flocking to America to take advantage of welfare programs.

Most progressives support greater border security? Uh huh. That is why they line up to vote for expanded Unicorn Patrols. Real attempts at security, on the other hand, are routinely derided as a waste of effort. My fave from that genre is Gov. Bill Richardson's classic "if you’re going to build a 12-foot wall, you know what’s going to happen? A lot of 13-foot ladders. This is a terrible symbol of America."

OK, back to the original theme. I'll accept at face value the hope that our undocumented friends from the South are not net consumers of government services (And don't vex me with data! I'm trying to feel the love here.) However, the third claim - immigration is leading to cultural decline - when rephrased, seems irrefutable. Is immigration leading to cultural change? Hands up if you say no... I don't see any hands.

Now, change doesn't have to be a bad thing. To pick a trivial example, I think salsa has it all over ketchup. But, just making connections at random here, if upwardly mobile white girls feel threatened and harassed on the mean streets of the Big Apple, wait until those streets look more like any Central or South American metropolis. 

Well, this Times contributor notwithstanding, sticking it to the oppressive white patriarchy has been the Democratic Party project for years, with Obama as their crowning achievement.

 

Comments

[GMax]

OH YEAH First AGAIN

[Dave (in MA)]

I think salsa has it all over ketchup.

Not an either/or proposition.

[GMax]

Even Jennifer Rubin gets it. Its a disaster for the LIAR Party

As with Obamacare, immigration by executive order is the gift that will keep on giving as members in office in 2014 come up for reelection. By the way, of the 58 Democratic senators who voted for Obamacare, 29 will be gone by next year.

[NKontheNovreboot]

MR. Maguire!!!-- oh my gosh. If you keep up this straight talk, you won't be invited to those posh not-for-profit organization cocktail parties in Westport and the UWS of Manhattan. I mean, you sound like one of us Serfs rather than the Gentry.

[Captain Hate]

So is the NYT editorial board admitting to going full Costanza? That to get elected a pol should do the exact opposite of what they advise?

[Threadkiller]

The Liar party meets Cloward Piven.

[Threadkiller]

"White people ain't going to take it no more!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOOEo35YLGM

[NKontheNovreboot]

@11:21 and 11:25-- the Media Progs won't admit to Cloward-Piven. When this goes badly for Dems, they'll blame Obama for being a poor administrator, who failed to make the Prog train run on time. USA Today and WaPo have already started, the Slim Dancing Chimps are awaiting orders from Carlos' volcano lair.

[Thomas Collins]

From a commenter on the Iowahawk tinpot quote:

"Actually, we Mexicans come because you leave the border open, salaries are higher and we think your women are easy."

I'd say that's a pretty pithy summary of the downside of current 404 policy on borders. I'll withhold comment on the final reason; there's no way I can figure out a comment on that without invoking somebody's wrath.

[Jeff Dobbs]

Whatever, Obama didn't even mention moats and alligators last night, so how engaged is he in the real debate about border security?

[Dave (in MA)]

I wonder if Obama was pounding down fried chicken and purple drank when he came up with last night's "pick our fruit and make our beds" line.

[GMax]

Mary Landrieu got exactly 18% of the white vote in the jungle primary. Zero has surely just reduced her share come December. Maybe he does not care about Mary. But there are more vulnerable Democrats than they ever realize, or at least admit publicly. White voters are spilling out of the every available exits. Don't believe me? OK, Tom Harkin left in lily white Iowa and sitting in his seat Joni Ernst.

And the most vulnerable Republican in the Senate in 16, in my humble opinion, would be Mark Kirk. He has the fact that Rauner got elected statewide, and can assist with the reelection effort, imcumbency and now can proclaim his ability to help restrain an otherwise out of control executive to the voters.

Seems like the gun went off in the holster and hit the Democrats in the foot, from my viewpoint.

Maybe the last white person out of the LIAR Party could turn out the lights...

[NKontheNovreboot]

DaveinMa-- he didn't really say that, did he. He must have been really stoned.

Pass a bill? well the Congress REJECTED the bill he wanted, in January they should pass SAFE and e-Verify and send it to our choomer in chief.

[Janet - I wish my family had a poncho]

at Drudge - RAMOS DEMANDS MORE

I tell ya, the Dictator's Proclamation was not enough to please La Raza & enough to sicken everyone else.

[Captain Hate]

Dave, I'm still waiting for Luis Guitierrez (C - La Raza) to object to that racist stereotyping of greasers and beaners his constituents.

[Porchlight]

However, the third claim - immigration is leading to cultural decline - when rephrased, seems irrefutable. Is immigration leading to cultural change? Hands up if you say no... I don't see any hands.

Who needs to rephrase it? "Cultural decline" as a descriptor works perfectly well.

Mark Steyn put it best, in his now-classic essay "It's The Demography, Stupid" in reference to Europe:

The refined antennae of western liberals mean that, whenever one raises the question of whether there will be any Italians living in the geographical zone marked as Italy a generation or three hence, they cry, “Racism!” To fret about what proportion of the population is “white” is grotesque and inappropriate. But it’s not about race, it’s about culture. If 100 percent of your population believes in liberal pluralist democracy, it doesn’t matter whether 70 percent of them are “white” or only 5 percent are. But, if one part of your population believes in liberal pluralist democracy and the other doesn’t, then it becomes a matter of great importance whether the part that does is 90 percent of the population or only 60, 50, 45 percent.”

[Captain Hate]

Here you go, NK

http://twitchy.com/2014/11/21/fruitpickers-and-bedmakers-proud-obama-bigoted-amnesty-speech-sparks-2-hashtags-bonus-brutal-point/

[NKontheNovreboot]

He's such an idiot. He just reads what his 20something synchophants put in front of him, no matter how moronic.

[Janet - I wish my family had a poncho]

"Are we a nation that tolerates the hypocrisy of a system where workers who pick our fruit and make our beds never have a chance to get right with the law? Or are we a nation that gives them a chance to make amends, take responsibility, and give their kids a better future?

Are we a nation that accepts the cruelty of ripping children from their parents’ arms, or are we a nation that values families and works together to keep them together?"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/transcript-obamas-immigration-speech/2014/11/20/14ba8042-7117-11e4-893f-86bd390a3340_story.html

Illegals are overrunning ranches that are OWNED by Hispanics in South Texas.

No matter the color or heritage, all AMERICANS want safe, prosperous, law abiding communities.

[Porchlight]

Nobody is ripping any children from their parents' arms. Good grief.

[Thomas Collins]

Keep in mind that Obama wants fundamental transformation. For him, losing a few Dem seats is worth it as long as his diktats are successfully implemented. At this point, given the GOP's tendency to conserve the level of "administrative stateness" handed to them when the GOP is in control, thus paving the way for further Dem encroachments on liberty and American sovereignty when the Dems are in power, I'd say Obama is the favorite to keep both 404Care and the current immigration diktat in place.

[Janet - I wish my family had a poncho]

from Captain's 11:45 -

Chuck Mercer @cmercer2k
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Maybe the Washington football team should change their name to the #fruitpickers

[Captain Hate]

He might have gone off script for that one because it's hard to imagine anybody not going "D'oh" when they heard that including the Ferret. It sounds like the elementary school stuff he says when talking about another country when a leader of it is visiting him.

[Dave (in MA)]

Does the E. coli on the lettuce get amnesty?

[exdemocrat]

The issue here (for me at least) is not the pros and cons of cultural diversity (which can be achieved in many different, legal ways) but respect for the Constitution.

The critical ‘benefits’ to illegal aliens proposed by Obama, in return for them voluntarily ‘coming out from the shadows,’ are (a) the CERTAINTY of knowing that if they fall within the designated category, they will definitely not be deported, and (b) that this new status will be PERMANENT rather than temporary.

Yet, as can be seen here (http://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/olc/opinions/attachments/2014/11/20/2014-11-19-auth-prioritize-removal.pdf - see esp. Section A), Obama’s own Justice Department has already told him that while it is OK for DHS to TEMPORARILY decline to deport the least troubling illegals ON A CASE-BY-CASE BASIS, it may NOT constitutionally PERMANENTLY decline to deport a designated CATEGORY of illegals.

In other words, Obama already knows without any doubt that his proposed executive action represents unconstitutional executive overreach rather than constitutionally sound “prosecutorial discretion.”

And his groupies are OK with that?

[Iggy]

From Twitchy;

S.M @redsteeze

It took 150 years but Obama finally got the Democrat party their slaves back #FruitPickers #BedMakers

[exdemocrat]

President Walker/Cruz/Jindal circa 2017:
"I have instructed the EPA not to enforce environmental laws in Blue states - If Congress doesn't like it: pass a bill."
"I have also instructed the IRS not to bother collecting corporate taxes this year - If Congress doesn't like it: pass a bill."
Is that cool too?

[NKontheNovreboot]

He's a smug bastard, but this conclusion is correct. Voter ID, has successfully prevented Dems from stealing very close statewide elections in the past decade. No other real effect, certainly no suppression of votes. Of course, what Silver doesn't say is that the Dems have moved past the AA 'walking around $$/boxed lunch"voter scam to the new Gordito ID'd non-citizen scam. This scam is fraught because the actual voter is ID'd and can be prosecuted. But if vote fraud doesn't result in deportation....

[NKontheNovreboot]

the link: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/20/upshot/why-voter-id-laws-dont-swing-many-elections.html?_r=1&abt=0002&abg=1

[Dave (in MA)]

"Howie Carr ‏@HowieCarrShow 1m1 minute ago
Hey Bill, could you pass the spanish fly? #BillandBill #BillCosby"

[Iggy]

Culture isn't only or even primarily salsa vs ketchup or guys with big hats and even bigger guitars doing the deep dish combo mambo.

Among other things, it's respect for the law as practiced here, it's respect for the institutions and traditions that make America what it is, it's a sense that America is different and special among nations because of those institutions and traditions and those who are here illegally have already demonstrated a contempt for those things, especially those who harbor the La Raza ideology.
If they didn't have contempt for those things they'd get in line and do it right. The only ones who have more contempt for those values are the leftists who cynically draw them here (and those idiot libertarians who think open borders is somehow a libertarian ideal).

[Jeff Dobbs]

Gmax:
Seems like the gun went off in the holster and hit the Democrats in the foot, from my viewpoint.

Holster? You sure it wasn't tucked in their front waistband?

Foot?

[Old Lurker]

Further, I have instructed the IRS to collect no taxes on Capital Gains and to limit the top tax rate for ordinary income to 30%.

I have also instructed the OMB to reduce all allocations of funding to the government to no more than the amount of income received by the Federal Government.

I have also instructed the OMB to reduce the total amount of Federal Income than is paid out in transfer payments to other citizens from the current 60% to no more than 25% in total.

If Congress does not like it...

[Jeff Dobbs]

Porch:
Nobody is ripping any children from their parents' arms. Good grief.

Obligatory...

[Iggy]

--I have instructed the EPA not to enforce environmental laws in Blue states...--

Even better, "I have instructed EPA to continue enforcing its rules in Blue States but not Red ones".

[Old Lurker]

Better still, "I have instructed every employee of the EPA to go "F*** themselves then die."

[Dublindave]

Look,look,look..Republicans on Congress are NOT irrelevant. There are toilets to be cleaned,halls to be swept etc.....there's still things for you as a political party to do.

[Dublindave]

sorry....in

[Old Lurker]

What do our lawyers say today regarding a possible lawsuit? Sorry if I missed postings since the speech.

[maryrose]

NK and exdemocrat: some excellent posts.
Happy belated birthday to Dr.J!
TC; Obama's comeuppance is coming. He has alienated Whites, legal Hispanic voters, Jewish voters and the Millenials. Some blacks get back at him for giving them nothing by refusing to vote for his cronies. This does not bode well for 2016. The Dem bench for 2016 is incredibly weak
I mean Webb? You 've got to be kidding me.
Hillary has lost the Blue collar middle class voters.Progs want Warren who is incredibly only two years younger than Hil.

[sbw]

Dave (in MA) -- Mike Golic: ESPN host poses for Kim Kardashian-inspired photo after losing a bet with Mike Greenberg Facebook's idea of clickbait.

I saw the picture on Mike & Mike this morning. My wife is a fan of the show.

The picture is tastefully done -- tasteful bad taste. Look at it, if you haven't seen it yet. Far better than the real Kardashian and a really funny send-up.

Better than some of the images JOMers have linked to to grace these pages.

[RickB]

OL,

JOM style book violation. A direction to FOADIAF must be followed by "With warmest personal regards,". It's a matter of simple civility which I am sure President Walker will observe.

[Porchlight]

Obligatory...

hit, I thought of that, but it's not a parent holding Elian. :)

But, yeah.

[Old Lurker]

:-) ! Rick.

[NKontheNovreboot]

OL-- so when do you come up to the Dirty Apple for family TG?

[Iggy]

--There are toilets to be cleaned,halls to be swept etc.....--

I believe Barry filled those jobs last night WeeDavey.

[maryrose]

OL: Lawsuits will be filed in Texas and Laura Ingraham says a member of Congress can file one for presidential over-reach and failure to prosecute the laws on the books. I am heartened by the very TEMPORARY status of this Preezy proclamation. It is a fig leaf for Obama and nothing more substantial than that. Who will police and make sure they don't get health benefits.
Unexpected consequence: Employers fire legals to get illegals that they don't have to cover with the onerous Obamacare.

[Soylent Red]

"I have instructed the relevant Department Secretaries that:

1. No Department of Education mandates, nor Common Core, shall be enforced in any of the 50 states.

2. Affirmative Action restrictions and provisions will no longer be enforced.

3. Enforcement of drilling restrictions on public lands and Federally controlled offshore areas shall cease immediately.

4. Restrictions and registration requirements on the importation, purchase, and carry of all firearms below .50 shall no longer be enforced.

5. Enforcement of all current taxation of any person or organization operating inside the boundaries of the United States, in excess of 15%, shall cease immediately.

In accordance with the aforementioned EO's, I have directed the OMB to conduct a full audit of the costs of enforcing these laws, and that amount will be subtracted from the budgets of the Agencies and Departments affected for the duration of my Adminstration, and applied to the reduction of national debt. This shall be known hereinafter as "The Soylent Dividend."

Further, a complete review of the job descriptions of all Federal employees directly or indirectly employed in the enforcement of these laws shall be conducted, with commensurate reduction in workforce. The payroll savings shall be applied to the national debt. This shall hereinafter be know as "The Soylent Dividend 2: Electric Boogaloo."

This I prounounce, this I command. So let it be written. So let it be done. More to follow. Because Obama, bitchez.

[Ben]

".there's still things for you as a political party to do."

They know what not to do and it's been showing despite the flailing of inaction. 'Do no harm' as Hippcrates says, including expensive surgery like an appendectomy which is experimental and dangerous.

[Old Lurker]

Thx maryrose.

NK...up Wed, back Sat.

[Soylent Red]

I forgot...

Selah!

[Thomas Collins]

OL, I think the best way for Congress to deal with this is through the appropriations process. The next Congress should send an appropriations bill to Obama funding debt service and entitlements and defense and the federal governmental agencies, but should contain a provision defunding any implementation of the Obama Illegal Immigration Diktat. I think when the dust clears, Obama would win in the federal courts on whether he has the power to issue his order. The power of the purse, not impeachment/conviction or the federal courts, will be the primary Congressional weapon in the next two years. Even defunding may be problematical, because a big part of the diktat is non-prosecution of illegals, which Obama doesn't need any funds for.

If Americans keep electing Obama types, the federal courts aren't going to save us.

[Porchlight]

OMG, my co-workers are discussing what Kwanzaa decorations we need to get for the unit.

We used to put up Christmas lights. WTF

[Porchlight]

How many American families celebrate Kwanzaa? I bet less than 1000.

[Dublindave]

--There are toilets to be cleaned,halls to be swept etc.....--

"I believe Barry filled those jobs last night WeeDavey"

It's mad to think of all the lives that the Democratic party has made better...Affordable healthcare Act,Lilly ledbetter fair pay act,gays in the Military,Gay marriage,a saved economy, taking away the fear of deportation from millions of people etc etc etc

Then there's you,the trash blanc party.The dental-hygeine challenged party. The 'the earth was created 6000 years ago' and 'is rape rape' party.

What's it like to,as Rand Paul put it...suck?

[maryrose]

TC: Agreed. The voters have to rally against this injustice in 2016. The thing I regret the most about the unfair targetting of the Tea Party groups in 2012 is that it cost us at the ballot box. The lies about Obamacare and Benghazi also would have taken their toll on whether voters decided to trust Obama and give him another term. All that was hidden fromus and we were repeatedly lied to by Obama and the dems throughout the process. What saved us in the midterms was we were on an equal par in the money game and the ground game had improved. Dems emboldened by 2012 sent up mediocre candidates and a sorry playbook of racism and a war on women that fell flat on its face.
I personally like our 2016 bench as opposed to theirs.

[NKontheNovreboot]

DD's hitting the bottle and the pipe a wee bit early today.

[Thomas Collins]

The establishment media covering for the Dems in 2016 will still be a factor, maryrose, but I think it will be less of a factor than it was in 2008 and 2012 and 2014 (imagine what the Senate count would be if we had an unbiased establishment media). In addition, there will be some holes in the establishment media wall in 2016, although I don't see it totally crumbling.

[Porchlight]

less than 1000.

Fewer than 1000. What is the matter with me?

[RickB]

I believe the NYT may be taking formal notice that enlistments in the Freeshit Army are being bettered by desertions among MoPS. North Carolina was supposed to provide evidence regarding the value of the Freeshit Army to be lead by Field Marshal BOzo after his departure from the stage in the Oval Office) but desertions among white women in conjunction with slightly increased turnout by white men proved impossible to overcome.

It wasn't that BOzo's Freeshit Army didn't deliver, they were whipped to the polls fairly effectively.

[Extraneus]

"I hereby de-certify all federal employee unions."

[Extraneus]

What is the matter with me?

That's a violation.

[Old Lurker]

"What is the matter with me?"

Porch, you get a pass because we all know you know better.

Mrs. L and I were talking last night about how many instances of bad grammar - worse than less/fewer - one now encounters on TV whether on live speaking (news, weather etc.) and more and more by scripted acting on programmed shows.

I guess the days of Jodi Foster graduating Yale and Meryl Streep from Vassar are long gone, huh?

Assuming even those schools care anymore...

[RickB]

"What is the matter with me?"

Porchlight,

Working in a prog environment does to memory and intelligence what working in an asbestos mine does to lungs. You should demand hazard pay.

[Dave (in MA)]

Its hard 2 kp up w grammar when u spend all ur time dicking around on an iPhone lk a moron lol

[Old Lurker]

Dave!

[Porchlight]

Thanks, OL. :)

Another thing I've noticed re: actresses, on the dumbing down/juvenilization of the culture theme:

American actresses increasingly have the speaking voices of teenagers. Remember when women sounded like women? Bette Davis, Katharine Hepburn, Myrna Loy, Rosalind Russell, Barbara Stanwyck...even later you had Grace Kelly, Eva Marie Saint, Audrey Hepburn. Marilyn Monroe was an exception with her breathy young sex-kitten voice.

[Porchlight]

Working in a prog environment does to memory and intelligence what working in an asbestos mine does to lungs. You should demand hazard pay.

No joke. I am 50% lazier/less intelligent after 12 years in this joint.

[MarkO]

Just a reminder of the insanity with which we are dealing:

Symptoms of Narcissistic Personality Disorder

In order for a person to be diagnosed with narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) they must meet five or more of the following symptoms:
•Has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)
•Is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love
•Believes that he or she is “special” and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)
•Requires excessive admiration
•Has a very strong sense of entitlement, e.g., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations
•Is exploitative of others, e.g., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends
•Lacks empathy, e.g., is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others
•Is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her
•Regularly shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes

[Miss Marple]

Kwanzaa drives me crazy. It's a made-up holiday from the late 60's.

I don't care if it is madeup. So was Mother's Day, once upon a time.

What I hate are all of the media people and the crunchy granola types acting like it is a real African holiday with roots going back centuries!

Well, I want the Nine Nights of the Nordic Lights. Candles and beer and open-faced sandwiches. It makes as much sense.

[Dave (in MA)]

Dave!

What?

[lyle]

What is the matter with me?

Nothing. You sound no worse that our First Lady. You know, the one always starting her utterings with "Me and Barack..."

[Dave (in MA)]

Candles and beer and open-faced sandwiches.

Cod soaked in lye, and salty licorice.

[Thomas Collins]

I look at it on the bright side, Porchlight: I have been given a unique opportunity for independent scholar anthropological field research on the Coastal Gentry Tribe. Admittedly, this tribe presents fewer [or is it less :-)]opportunities for analysis of tribal intellectual achievements than would be presented by, say, a tribe of cannibals, but one must make sacrifices!

[Mad Jack]

Big surprise but Massachusetts does not require one to be a citizen to obtain gov paid for health insurance. It says so in bold print on the application form. If Zero is going to now change that policy then maybe I can back his plan. Now it did occur to me that he might be lying about that part but I hate to think that of our President:-)

[exdemocrat]

TC - constitutional interpretation re separation of powers/executive overreach is right in the SCOTUS wheel-arch, no?

[Marsha Coakley]

technically it's not illegal to be illegal in Massachusetts

[Thomas Collins]

Yes, exdemocrat, I think SCOTUS would take the case, and would hold that the case is justiciable. I then think SCOTUS would probably go 9-0 for Obama's authority to issue his diktat.

[Porchlight]

Yes, but progs are so boring and predictable, TC!

Another boring prog anecdote: yesterday was the annual Thanksgiving lunch with parents at my daughter's school. My husband and I love the food that is served in the lunchroom (turkey, gravy, stuffing, sweet potatoes etc.) and always look forward to it, but there are always jokes and comments from the other parents about the quality of the food, which drives me INSANE.

Can't we just be thankful for vast American abundance, and for the people who bring it to us, for once in our freaking lives without insulting institutional food like snarky ungrateful teenagers? Apparently not.

Blessedly, we decided to sit by ourselves this time and avoid other grownups.

[Dave (in MA)]

Mad Jack - "does not require one to be a citizen" Does not require one to be here legally, you mean.

http://www.mass.gov/eohhs/docs/masshealth/membappforms/aca-3-english.pdf - top of P. 3.

Illegal immigrants get to choose from one or more of 3 plans.

YOU'RE WELCOME, #FruitPickers and #BedMakers.

[Thomas Collins]

Uh-oh, Porchlight. The lunchroom doesn't sound Michelle-compliant!

[Captain Hate]

Fewer than 1000.

I'd take that bet because I think you underestimate the number of people who hate western culture and look for the most in-your-face way to express it. That's only 20 people per state. You probably exceed that number in that noted theologian, Pelosi Galore's, district.

[James D.]

Cod soaked in lye, and salty licorice.

I take it children who are bad are given that instead of coal in their Christmas stocking?

[clarice]

the OLC guidance analyzed by a Volokh contributor persuades me this will be of no big help to illegals; will create an administrative nightmare, but is hardly subject to a constitutional challenge. Plenty of room for legal challenges though. Don't try to bluff this bluffer.

[Porchlight]

You're probably right, Cap'n, although I stipulated families, not people.

I guess you'd have to define "celebrate," too. I bet a lot of people own some junky Kwanzaa decorations and put them on a table next to the Christmas tree for a week or so, but that's the extent of it.

Stupid made up prog "holiday."

[lyle]

Drew from The Horde (sorry, can't link from this computer) comes up with a novel idea: don't invite Precious to give SOTU in joint session next year. Delightful idea. Chances of it happening? None, not with McRino et al shuffling around the halls of Congress.

[Captain Hate]

there are always jokes and comments from the other parents about the quality of the food

It takes a special type of snotty arrogance to do that when they're supposed to behave as adults. I'm sure their children will grow up to be mouthy brats with extensive behavioral problems unless they rebel against their parents rude sense of specialness.

[Marsha Coakley]

Dave (in Mass): That's exactly what I meant. I figured Marsha backing me up would get the point across sufficiently but backup is always helpful. Thanks.

[Miss Marple]

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/ali-meyer/415-pound-ground-beef-climbs-another-record-high

Why there are people at the food pantry.

[Captain Hate]

I meant to say "families" when I said 20 per state, Porch. I probably know at least one family that would do it out of some misplaced sense of racial solidarity and poor education.

[clarice]

Way to go:http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/republicans-plan-first-shot-at-immigration-order-with-dec.-3-hearing/article/2556508

According to the OLC--The law requires each of these cases to be heard on a case-by -case basis. Lots of luck with that.

[Porchlight]

You're probably right, Cap'n. I'll bump it up to 5000.

[henry]

From our Chitown lurker for Miss Marple commodities price games.

[Jack is Back!]

Our "Fishes and Loaves" ministry cooks and serves a Thanksgiving lunch for all our students, faculty and parent volunteers eac.. h year. This years is Tuesday. Its Turkey, stuffing, mashed potatoes, green beans, and hot rolls. The kids not only clean their plates but most ask for seconds.

I work in the kitchen and plate the turkey. About 6 of us handle all the cooking and we have aout 10 parent volunteers to bring out the food to the tables. It is the most fun I have ever had in the kitchen watching the kids wolf down that meal.

Hit's 12:12 reminds me that Janet Reno can rot in hell for that little crime of hers and Billy Jeff.

[Danube on iPad]

"we think your women are easy."

Right. I know all kinds of white chicks who are balling Mexicans.

[MarkO]

What? After all, Jack is a good boy.

Bless you.

[Captain Hate]

When you've lost David Rodham Gergen...

http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/20/opinion/gergen-obamas-dangerous-move/index.html

[new lurker]

Speaking of holidays--my daughter who lives in a Chicago suburb had her kindergarten child's Thanksgiving party cancelled--teacher told daughter that some had complained because it was culturally insensitive! (Children would wear Pilgrim outfits, etc.)

[Danube on iPad]

I was surprised by Ingraham's statement last night that a single congressman could bring the lawsuit. If so, that's news to me.

I really can't decide how I think the judiciary will respond.

[MarkO]

I believe the judiciary will respond that Congress has a remedy, impeachment.

That brings me to this conclusion. Never again should we elect as President a minority or even a woman that, because of those immutable characteristic, could not be impeached.

Were Obama not a minority, he would be impeached.