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December 07, 2014

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Old Lurker

Thanks TC. Wonder how much video we will have of RGIII all dressed up and nowhere to go?

kaiserderden

Jackie is pals with a group of rape advocates ??? a group, not one ... nothing like a little peer pressure to come up with your own "story" ...

this second story is a lie as well ...

Tom Maguire

Both off topic and basically deplorable, hence irresistible - if the Selection Committee drops an undefeated defending national champion from the top four then Jameis Winston will be the one alleging rape.

Now to press 'Post' before the lightning bolt strikes...

Thomas Collins

They'd probably laugh you out of the place, OL. But if you were Lena Dunhan or Sandra Fluke wondering about abortofacients, you'd be treated like a queen.

Stephanie

Shock therapy, OL and I just want the choice of where to apply the therapy and I'll gladly take one for the team for the opportunity ;)

Old Lurker

I see Lena's Republican Rapist has lawyered up and demanding satisfaction. Good for him.

yes I know what I did there...

Thomas Collins

Now, OL, if you showed up asking for counseling about dealing with a Dan Snyder owned team, they would justifiably tell you you'd need the Plutonium
Plan to have that course of treatment covered!

Tom Maguire
Bullshit is bullshit, TM

We are virtually certain she misidentified the fraternity, but her story makes it hazy as to how she identified it in the first place.

The blood is pretty surely exaggerated, although if one day we learn she was threatened with a broken beer bottle, no one will wonder how her memory twisted that.

As for the rest, I think we are in suspense. Yes, her story still seems improbable, but the WaPo has hardly refuted it.

Stephanie

nothing like a little peer pressure to come up with your own "story" ...

Zactly. Just one of the 'girls.'

Thomas Collins

TM, I don't think we even know what Jackie's story is at this point. It no doubt has been filtered by those for whom "just the facts, ma'am" an alien thought.

Whoops! Make that an "undocumented" thought.

RickB

I used to be pretty sympathetic to two of The Three Little Pigs until I realized the seriousness of their building code violations.

Stephanie

The WaPo has also only taken baby steps in its recognition of the "MF" in SCOAMF* although they have nodded toward the "C" in some of their coverage lately.

Progs are verrrry slow learners.

*Stuttering ClusterF*ck of a Miserable Failure

Iggy

-- I doubt Jackie's state of mind rises to the level of intentional deceit. --

We don't know, TC.

Since it's Sunday I'll paraphrase Isaiah 40;31;

Those who wait on the facts shall review their case.

Stephanie

Countdown at 0! Baited breath...

Stephanie

-- I doubt Jackie's state of mind rises to the level of intentional deceit. --

We don't know, TC.

She's mental and lying to herself as well. With each new addition, she becomes more convinced of her martyrdom... if only the doubters would believe her. One more tweak should do it then she can mount the pediment triumphant!

Iggy

I see this thread is the top cheese at Memorandum.
That's where the mice came from. :)

TallDave

I wouldn't be surprised to see some softening to the "Not slightly false, or partly false, but false" declaration.
--
Why? None of the salient details seem to be true. The story contains at most a tiny fraction of truth.

I'll bet dollars to doughnuts what happened was something like this: she met a guy at a party who was cute and nice to her, she gave him consensual oral sex, and afterward, he high-fived his frat buddies and they all laughed at her, and maybe gave her a nickname. Her feelings were hurt, and she made up a story where she was a victim of something much worse than teasing.

And it's sort of fitting. Because ultimately, that kind of behavior (not broken glass gang rape initiations covered up by UVA administrators) is the main reason why the SJWers hate the frat-boy mentality. But being a jerk isn't a crime.

Stephanie

BTW the Hot Air winds have been directed this way.

Tom Maguire
Just shut up with this line of argument, idiots.

I was planning to dial my response back a bit but this captures the right tone.

Iggy

I stand corrected; apparently we do know. :)

Strawman Cometh

jimmy,
Tom Wolfe also commented on the idiocy of coed dorms.

TallDave

I wouldn't be surprised to see some softening to the "Not slightly false, or partly false, but false" declaration.
--
Why? None of the salient details seem to be true. The story contains at most a tiny fraction of truth.

I'll bet dollars to doughnuts what happened was something like this: she met a guy at a party who was cute and nice to her, she gave him consensual oral sex, and afterward, he high-fived his frat buddies and they all laughed at her, and maybe gave her a nickname. Her feelings were hurt, and she made up a story where she was a victim of something much worse than teasing.

And it's sort of fitting. Because ultimately, that kind of behavior (not broken glass gang rape initiations covered up by UVA administrators) is the main reason why the SJWers hate the frat-boy mentality. But being a jerk isn't a crime.

Carol Herman

First, I thought the "rape" occurred at Oberlin.

But no, the story shifts to UVa. I wonder why?

"Barry" is getting headline space at Drudge. And, he's got a defense fund going. So serious lawsuits are ahead.

And, Erdely, writing for Rolling Stone, back in 2011, gave the rape victim status to an alter boy. Also, very imaginatively told. Priest conk the kid on the head. He wakes up naked. Died up with alter boy sashes. And, he bleeds anally for at least a week. Story was a sham.

I'd bet real rape stories get really complicated very fast.

It's one thing for someone to climb into your window. And, when you call the police they look for fingerprints. They show you mug shots. And, yes. You're taken to a hospital so DNA evidence can be collected.

Re-telling rape stories shouldn't be titillating.

jimmyk on iPhone

Iggy: "There is no indication that the gentleman

… was targeted because he was Bosnian," Dotson said.


Exactly. Taranto would call that an answer to a question no one is asking.

Stephanie

Pay me bitchezzz!

Alabama
Oregon
FSU
OSU
Baylor
TCU

henry

Insty also linked this thread.

Thomas Collins

Safe bet: Big 12 will have a conference championship game next year. Bug 12 will ask for and get a waiver.

Buckeye

OK Beasts, if we lose I fly down and wash your Ferrari.

If we win, I get to drive it:)

RickB

Jeez, Carol, Oberlin is where they tracked down the Republican student with a seeing eye dog in the Dunham matter. UVa is where the author on assignment from Rolling Coprolite finally threw up her hands and produced a "Once upon a time..." for her check.

The impetus for the fables is identical but the locations are as different as Hansel and Gretel and Little Black Sambo.

jimmyk on iPhone

"Some notable details that are similar to Jackie's story, gang-raped by 3 priests and 1 teacher abd raped for hours at a time.

One conviction has been overturned, 2 are on appeal and 1 priest died in prison."

Seems like this is now the 21st century version of the daycare prosecutions: recovered memory, investigators with preconceived ideas, etc.

Ben

"If we win, I get to drive it:)"

It comes with a T-shirt/

"Passenger only"

Thomas Collins

Even though schedules are set years in advance, I bet Big 12 will manage to reschedule some conference games into bye weeks so conference championship Saturday will be open next year.

daddy

Go New York Jets! They weren't losing for the first 11 seconds of the game.

Buckeye

Mrs. Buckeye just said that Joey Galloway was "thinking with his melanin". Needs to find victimhood in the selection process.

RickB

"Seems like this is now the 21st century version of the daycare prosecutions: recovered memory, investigators with preconceived ideas, etc."

It's really even better - The Chief Kangaroo overseeing The Trial will be a Vulvarian Red Queen with sentence in hand before the Eloi is lead in.

Iggy

I think they should name it the Chicken Entrails and Tea Leaves College Playoffs.

Chick Fil A and Lipton would be proud sponsors.

Iggy

-- The Chief Kangaroo overseeing The Trial will be a Vulvarian Red Queen with sentence in hand before the Eloi is lead in.--

There's gotta be at least one mixed metaphor in there somewhere.

Stephanie

It's what I had for a snack last night, Iggy. ;)

Buckeye

You nailed it Stephanie. Can you pick the ponies?

Bori

With rape and sexual assault being redefined to just plain regret by the "victim", how can we be sure of anything at this point.

Jackie, may actually believed she was raped by everyone present at the fraternity, even if nothing other than consensual fellatio (at that moment) was all that occurred.

Bori

Steph,

Forget the ponies, I want the next Powerball numbers!

Janet - I wish my family had a poncho

And the third is that nothing at all happened and she's a mentally unstable young woman with Munchausen tendencies who invented the story to get attention and kept embellishing it over the years since. Clearly, there's a definite status associated with claiming to be a 'rape survivor' among the SJW crowd (see Lena Dunham and the apparently fictitious 'Barry One').

That's interesting.
It does seem common too. Hardships & experiences totally made up or embellished.
Rehab, raped, minority status, past family hardships made up, ...

Stephanie

LOL. If I could pick either ponies or powerball, I'd be somewhere in shorts and flip flops. Forever.

I might need to make a quick trip to Biloxi again, though.

Stephanie

Janet that is what I've been inclined to believe. The urge to 'fit in' and be an accepted part of a group requires a common experience. She gave em one. And had to continually up her game as new players came along and she strived to maintain top dog status.

Jack is Back!

I have no dog in this fight at all. [Frederick is the FSU fan]. But I don't understand why the Committe just doesn't wait until the end of the season and make just one announcement. They can keep a running ranking each week for their benefit but not make it public.

What is the sense of telling teams they are in each week or earn their way in a week or two before the final but then pull them in favor of a team that didn't do anything in the last week that they hadn't done in the week prior? And I don't buy the conference championship as the reason. In fact, if that is so determinative then another reason to delay any announcement of the final four until the end instead of each week.

Plus, I would think there would be more value in how many wins against top 20 or 25 teams. How many did Ohio State have versus TCU?

Iggy

Let's be clear; at this point the overriding result of this sordid story most devoutly to be wished for is that whatever lingering credibility or relevance Rolling Stone and Jan Wenner had in this society is crushed permanently and completely debilitated.

Strawman Cometh

I think TallDave scenario is most likely. Boorish, but not criminal.

rse

OT from the sordid topic to an ongoing one at JOM. I have posted before that Jeb's cronyism will make him unpalatable in a general election. Reader linked this story http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/12/06/Jeb-Bush-s-Education-Reform-Empire

If jeb is the one doing the approaching for where he wants an oppo to invest while these companies are still in vc rounds, but going after these ed dollars, it is even worse than I imagined.

Much worse than tone deafm disingenuous, or sloppy as James and I have worried about.

Iggy

Politico gives space to an air-headed UVA coed to prove there are many women on campus much dumber than blonde cheerleaders.

Money quote:

Ultimately, though, from where I sit in Charlottesville, to let fact checking define the narrative would be a huge mistake.

Words to live by.

Jack is Back!

If they can track down Lena Dunham's "Barry the Republican" why is it so hard to track down "Jackie the Provaricator"? Or is she like BHO's girlfriend - a mere composite?

cindyk on IPad

JiB: staying at the Westin (SIL has points) in Dublin. Would appreciate any and all suggestions on "stuff" to do.

Beasts of England

Congrats to the JOM College Football Playoff Committee for correctly predicting the inclusion of Ohio State and to Steph for convincing us of the proper order for those four!!

Is there anything JOM can't do?

Stephanie

I am drained. I am confused. But I keep returning to one question. If everyone here believed Jackie’s story until yesterday — a story in which she is violently raped by seven men at a fraternity house as part of a planned initiation ritual — should we not still be concerned?
There was something in that story which stuck. And that means something.
The University of Virginia — like most American universities — has a problem with rape. Current estimates, cited earlier this year by Vice President Joe Biden, hold that one in five women will be sexually assaulted while in college. That means that in my 200-person politics lecture, roughly a full row will be filled with survivors. In my 20-person major seminar, there are at least two. That is not a calculus I should have to work out in the margins of my Marx-Engels reader.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/12/why-we-believed-jackies-story-113365.html#ixzz3LEx875LC

Feelings whoa whoa whoa, feelings...

Stephanie

Oops, sorry for reposting what Iggy had posted.

Will have the spreadsheet up for the JOM 'SWA College Football Bowl Contest' as soon as they post the danged bowl selections.

Strawman Cometh

from a UVA alumnus in the comments in the Politico story:

I've received three emails about this rape hoax and not one university email expressing concern over Hannah Graham and the other innocent victims of an actual serial rapist. What is wrong with people? What is wrong with our president? (of UVA)

of course, we know exactly the reason for the discrepancy in UVA communications.

Miss Marple

Very disturbing that the reporter wrote another rape story about priests.

It almost seems like an agenda, doesn't it? What is the reporter's history? Why is she so interested in these stories?

How does she find these victims to interview? Who is giving her names? Is confidentiality of group counseling sessions being broken?

These are serious questions. I would hate to think a reporter would take advantage of a disturbed person in order to create a sensationalist story, but it looks to me like this might be so.

Also, did the president of the university, who shut down the frats without any justification, work with the reporter? I would be filing FOIA's if I were the lawyer for one of those fraternities.

Beasts of England

@Buckeye: I'm not above saying I'm skeered, and I'm skeered of OSU! They are on-fire hot at the moment. Should be a heck of a game.

p.s. all Ferrari washes are done strictly by the bikini babes. If y'all win a trip in the left seat is all yours...

Stephanie

Looks like 2:45 is the bowl selection posting time.

http://www.collegefootballplayoff.com/selection-day/

Has the new criteria for bowl selections.

Pairings for Selected Other Bowl Games.
All displaced conference champions and the highest ranked champion from a non-contract conference, as ranked by the committee, will participate in selected other bowl games and will be assigned to those games by the committee. If berths in the selected other bowl games remain available after those teams have been identified, the highest ranked other teams, as ranked by the committee, will fill those berths in rank order. (Note: A “displaced conference champion” is a champion of a contract conference that does not qualify for the playoff in a year when its contract bowl hosts a semifinal game.)
The committee shall create the best matchups in these bowl games in light of the following considerations. None of these considerations shall affect the ranking of teams. Also, none of these considerations will be controlling in determining the assignment of teams to available bowl games.
The committee will use geography as a consideration in the pairing of teams and assigning them to available bowl games.
The committee will attempt to avoid regular-season rematches when assigning teams to bowls.
To benefit fans and student-athletes, the committee will attempt to avoid assigning a team, or conference, or the highest-ranked champion of a non-contract conference, to the same bowl game repeatedly.
The committee will consider regular-season head-to-head results when assigning teams to bowls.
The committee will consider conference championships when assigning teams to bowls.

Selection Sequence.
Selection committee will rank teams 1-25.
Selection committee will place teams in the playoff semifinals bowls.
Contract bowls will fill their berths in accordance with their contracts.
Selection committee will assign teams to remainder of the Cotton, Fiesta and Peach Bowl berths.

RickB

TM has appended WHERE I AM COMING FROM: to this post. I don't disagree with it and the rationale is why I would never support outing the woman upon whom the Rolling Stone loosely based its fable. Let the progressive jackals out her. She was, at best, always just used toilet paper to them, suitable for use as a metaphor by a lying featherpasser, no more "real" than Che.

Ben

We get government we deserve.

“Attorneys general in at least a dozen states are working with energy companies and other corporate interests, which in turn are providing them with record amounts of money for their political campaigns, including at least $16 million this year.

They share a common philosophy about the reach of the federal government, but the companies also have billions of dollars at stake. And the collaboration is likely to grow: For the first time in modern American history, Republicans in January will control a majority — 27 — of attorneys general’s offices..

The Times reported previously how individual attorneys general have shut down investigations, changed policies or agreed to more corporate-friendly settlement terms after intervention by lobbyists and lawyers, many of whom are also campaign benefactors.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/07/us/politics/energy-firms-in-secretive-alliance-with-attorneys-general.html?_r=0

Jack is Back!

cindyk,
u
Staying at the Westin, you are about as central as you can get. Just to your south is Trinity College (Book of Kells and Douglas Hyde Gallery) and to the north you can walk Westmoreland Street to the O'Connell Monument and on further along the main commercial strip.

While on the north side of the LIffey, off of Westmoreland is Abbey St. Go east to the Abbey Theater and check out what is on that evening and if if appeals to you buy tickets. Great Irish drama from a famed theater. Back to your hotel and don't forget to cruise Grafton Street and stop for tea at Bewley's Oriental Tea Shoppe. Continue to walk past all the street performers, madding crowd and pickpockets to St. Stehphen's Green.

North of St. Stephens Green are the government buildings and national library and archaelogical museum off Kildare St. and Merrion St. Further north on an eastern arc back to the hotel you can find Westland Row north of the museums and east of Trinity is Pearse St. where you can jump on the LUAS (Dublin's modern street car system) and take a ride in honor of Janet:)

At night try going down lower Baggot Street and find a traditional Irish music pub. They are a plenty on the way down to Ballsbridge where there some very good restaurants.

Email me at address in my LUN webiste and I can give you more info.

I am assuming you are without a car for more lengthy excursions.

narciso

yes, the Medici, has been hawking the constructivist magic beans, for more than a decade now, he got them from brother Neil,
who sadly has not learned from his last bout of poor judgement.

the fault really has to fall on Will Dana, who
has really lost any ability to discern facts or even informed conjecture, if he had any to begin with

Tom Maguire
...and might still maintain some integrity with her friends and date-ability with the guys who might hear about it later.

Right. And she doubled down on that strategy by telling no one (for a while), gaining 25 pounds and failing her classes.

And that explains why she is a laughingstock all over campus but very few seem to be able to identify her.

I'll keep it in mind.

West

I think it's just as much a mistake to believe the "forced oral" version now as as it was to unquestioningly accept the original gang rape allegation. It's possible she was downplaying or altering her account of the incident to her friends that night. After all she had only known them a month and may not have felt comfortable telling the truth. It's also possible she was overstating the story already and it has only grown in the telling since. We just don't know.

daddy

Some panel gal on Chris Wallace's Show just said that Income Inequality could be Obama's Finest Hour.

Oh geez. Now he's asking Juan Williams a question. Back to Football.

Stephanie

per the possibly useless Rolling Stone story, Jackie failed three courses in one semester. From which I will at least take that Jackie is telling people she failed three classes; who knows whether any attempt was made to verify that?

Or did the 'downward spiral' result in her making up a story to cover for her shortcomings in the classroom? There is no 'there' there at this time to determine exactly which came first 'the supposed trauma' or 'the downward spiral.' Could be she had trouble transitioning from spoon fed drivel at the HS level resulting in good 'grades' and actual college level work.

Symptoms of PTSD include memory deficiencies around the events of the trauma. In other words, details get lost or confused. ThinkProgress is hardly my usual go-to, but Aviva Shen gathers some checkable anecdotes about rape victims and PTSD.

But per the original story the details were, to borrow a phrase, "seared" in her memory and the detail and unfailing adherence to the date, comments by the guys and details of the room and the building and other 'factual, unwavering' stuff was what convinced the original reporter that her story was 'true' and thus really didn't need to be verified.

I place zero credibility for or against the story based on the claims of PTSD in relation to a supposed rape that has now got misfactuals being used to support the PTSD claim and thus support the theory that something must have happened. Nice circular logic there...

DrJ

Off.

Stephanie

off

Beasts of England

Iggy@1:56 - Progtards are cute when they accidentally reveal their true intentions in a pique of frustration...

Iggy

--...Income Inequality could be Obama's Finest Hour.--

Well, income inequality does seem to be one of the few growth industries under his regime so who's to say she's wrong?

Iggy

--p.s. all Ferrari washes are done strictly by the bikini babes.--

Do the babes come with a Charles Stanley seal of approval?
Sorry, Beasts, couldn't resist. :)

Stephanie

Reposting the oops for clarity with an add:

per the possibly useless Rolling Stone story, Jackie failed three courses in one semester. From which I will at least take that Jackie is telling people she failed three classes; who knows whether any attempt was made to verify that?

Or did the 'downward spiral' result in her making up a story to cover for her shortcomings in the classroom? There is no 'there' there at this time to determine exactly which came first 'the supposed trauma' or 'the downward spiral.' Could be she had trouble transitioning from spoon fed drivel at the HS level resulting in good 'grades' and actual college level work. [add: and latched onto a viable alternate story to cover for her lack of transition and resultant poor grades ie "it wasn't me it was the 'rape' that caused the poor grades" thus passing the buck on her own failure much as progs are wont to do and thus covering for her failure by this blown out of proportion cover story has since blown up in her face much as lying always does]

Symptoms of PTSD include memory deficiencies around the events of the trauma. In other words, details get lost or confused. ThinkProgress is hardly my usual go-to, but Aviva Shen gathers some checkable anecdotes about rape victims and PTSD.

But per the original story the details were, to borrow a phrase, "seared" in her memory and the detail and unfailing adherence to the date, comments by the guys and details of the room and the building and other 'factual, unwavering' stuff was what convinced the original reporter that her story was 'true' and thus really didn't need to be verified.

I place zero credibility for or against the story based on the claims of PTSD in relation to a supposed rape that has now got misfactuals being used to support the PTSD claim and thus support the theory that something must have happened. Nice circular logic there...

clarice

TM:I was planning to dial my response back a bit but this captures the right tone.

HEH

narciso

'those word's she is using...' we give too much weight to 'narrative' which often an out right lie

Iggy

While someone chases coed tale over rape allegations and we chase our own tails over a dead thug; the thugs with nuclear weapons, large armies and who use tanks and bombs whether your hands are up or your pants down are marching pretty much where they please.

Stephanie

Orange Bowl Msst v GaTech
Peach Bowl Ole Miss v TCU
Fiesta Bowl Boise St v Arizona
Cotton Bowl Mich St v Baylor

Rounds out the top six bowl games. The rest of the bowl games are to be out shortly.

Pagar

"the right tone"

http://www.ihatethemedia.com/200000-rapes-prevented-every-year-by-women-using-guns-for-selfdefense-leftists-and-media-silent

narciso

the christics, which I referred to in the last thread, where charlatans and mountebanks who latched on to an assasination attempt of a dissident Contra leader, Eden Pastora, in 1984, intimating it was a CIA plot, carried out by a Libyan mercenary, the reality was more interesting, it was an Argentine leftwing terrorist, working with the Sandinistas, they identified him, almost a decade later, from remains found on a attack in his native Argentina in 1989.

from that event, the above mentioned mountebanks conjured up a conspiracy involving events going back to 1960 if not earlier, using a technique not unlike the suit against Chevron, they stormed into Court in Miami, where the whole thing was thrown out.

Some Guy

TM,

I've avoided commenting on this topic, but I think there is one issue that should be considered.

It appears possible that Jackie isn't being truthful about her own friends (the three being referred to as her "rescuers"). If she is lying about what they said and did, she's doing it in a way that makes her friends look awful, cruel and shallow. Yet, also in a manner that too perfectly fits a narrative.

I don't know enough about PTSD to speculate whether 'throwing your friends under the bus' is behavior consistent with the disorder. What she claims they did and said just leans 'made up' more than 'clouded memory'.

Danube on iPad

"Justice."

Or maybe law.

Ben

88% favorable...

""Western leaders would cut their arms off for Putin's ratings, but what it tells us is that Russia's political system is still very different," he said. "It is still a propaganda state, the difference being that while in Communist times people would just tune out, today the propaganda is much more emotional and engaging.
"Putin's speech was all about Russia having to survive on its own in a hostile world. His even claimed that the sanctions would have happened anyway because the West is out to get Russia. It's nonsense on stilts, but it works for his audience."
As proof of the ready appetite for Mr Putin's message, Mr Wilson points to how it now even dominates Russian prime time television. In August, the Night Wolves, an ultranationalist biker gang that the president has been photographed with, guest-starred in a triumphant evening musical broadcast from Crimea, alongside footage of Ukrainian troops marching in Nazi-style goosesteps. Mr Wilson likened it to the spoof Mel Brooks musical Springtime for Hitler – the difference being that the Russian version was not intended to be funny."

From your link, Ig. It seems bear-bating is more dangerous when the bear hasn't had his teeth removed. NATO/US/EU seem clueless in attempst to separate Russia from the rest of the World yet have unified the citizenry against Russophobia.

James D.

I'm happy to see the Saints getting completely shattered, at home, by a team that hasn't won in a month and a half.

And the Jets are, as usual, losing. So that's good, too.

Threadkiller

Name the "or law" that makes John McCain a Natural born citizen.

James D.

Dear God, the Redskins are truly horrible, aren't they?

Ben

Sanctions worked so well in Iraq (Oil for Food) against a despot,

How many Russian kids will have to eat paint-chips?

Bori

TM,

It is just as likely at this point that the young lady's problems are those of many freshman away from home and familiar environment.

Any changes to her demeanor if they really occurred were the result of this and not some traumatic event as it is being sold as.

Correlation does not always equal causation.

Jack is Back!

It seems bear-bating is more dangerous when the bear hasn't had his teeth removed. NATO/US/EU seem clueless in attempst to separate Russia from the rest of the World yet have unified the citizenry against Russophobia.

Especially, when you use copious amounts of vodka to unify the population.

narciso

I don't think they deserve their moniker, it should be red shirts

http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2014/12/representative_of_ay.php

maybe someone should ask Mike Rogers about that, but being he'll be on Cumulus, better ask quickly

daddy

OT,

A few weeks back I posted about answering my doorbell and being accosted by some really pushy Survey Taker from something like the Research Triangle Institute. I told her to get lost, but it made me angry the way she tried to play on my basic good nature and compel me into taking her Survey.

2 nights back a new guy showed up from the same outfit, RTI (Research Triangle Institute), ringing the doorbell multiple times, and pulling the same "I'm offended you won't take my Survey" schtick. Having previously dealt with his previous A-hole partner, I had no qualms whatever immediately telling him to get the hell off my porch and I felt good about it.

Just for interest, I started googling RTI this morning, and I came up with who they are and what they do. Some Non-Profit sent out at Taxpayer expense to ask all sorts of invasive questions and feed them back to whoever collects the answers. What I found interesting were a couple blog entries of people who used to work for the outfit and who say that their RTI bosses are huge A@@holes to the worker bee's doing the questioning, so that they will keep coming back to harass me until the period for the current Survey ends whenever the heck that is.

I don't know if that has happened to any of you guys recently, but here are a few links I thought illuminating if you wind up having obnoxious Survey takers ringing your doorbell and trying to make you feel that you owe it to them to give them whatever damn personal info they demand you give them. And I think it also explains why my phone continues to ring off the week even tho' the Election is over.

And as for whether RSI's "Research questions are beneficial? I refuse to answer if for no other reason than their Survey takers are obnoxious A@@holes.

--- A Field Interviewer’s Tale: RTI, the Research Triangle Institute, and NSDUH, National Survey on Drug Use and Health

---Anyone Else Getting Harrassed By Dept of Health For Drug & Health Survey?

---i am refusing to answer a govt survey about heathcare and am being harassed!

donald

Here's a moral quandary kinda deal...

Which is actually worse for her, if she conjured this up in her mind?

Her mind is blown, completely corrupted incapable of functioning?

Or she completely made it all up.

To me, two different nightmares.

James D.

I'm curious. If, as we're told over and over, UVa is hotbed of rape, where no women on campus feel safe, then why do any women go there?

who would want to go to a school like that? And yet, they don't seem to have any trouble attracting students.

Ben

Good point on the vodka consumption. It hasn't hurt their GDP yet their economic projections were based on $100 oil, so sanctions to drive that down seem appropriate.

http://www.statista.com/statistics/263772/gross-domestic-product-gdp-in-russia/

anonamom

Probably completely OT here, but on topic for the post.

I happen to know an intelligent, outgoing, athletic high school student who went to UVa, did abysmally first semester, was treated for depression--now I am thinking I'd best find out just went on in his frat house...

And now that I am reflecting on it, two other classmates of that young man had identical experiences, but at Wash U and Indiana U. Both female.
Oh, and the girl across the street, the following year, at a school that doesn't have Greeks.

Could it be they were all assaulted?

Here I've been thinking we aren't doing a very good job with raising resilient young adults, when maybe it's just that awful campus rape culture.

(I will give more than some credit to that awful campus hook up culture.)


narciso

it's a tough job, but someone's got to do it:


http://therightscoop.com/constitution-itself-attack-obama-exec-orders-greg-abbott/

Captain Hate on the iPad

Have any GOPe stalwarts said that Landfill's loss is a clear sign that voters want Congress to work with 404?

narciso

history does tend to rhyme if not repeat word for word:

In 1844, Czar Nicholas I had paid a royal visit to Britain. Whilst there he talked to staff at the Foreign Office and also to Aberdeen. Informal discussions took place about the Eastern Question but Aberdeen's approach was very different from the traditional scheme of Britain's foreign policy. During the discussions, Aberdeen expressed a very understated policy and consequently was conciliatory to the Czar who went away with misconceptions about Britain's attitude to the Eastern Question as a result. Aberdeen gave the impression of despair and disgust at the corruption of Turkey. The Czar therefore suggested that perhaps a way forward could be to partition Turkey. Aberdeen was not firm in denouncing these ideas or in stating British policy unequivocally, therefore the Czar felt that the partition of Turkey was viable and also that Britain was tired of defending Turkey and would not go to war over the Turkish Empire. Not only did Aberdeen give 'wrong messages' to the Czar, he also decided that the Czar would not go to war over Turkey.

narciso

fast forward a decade:

In 1853, Russia invaded Turkish Moldavia and Wallachia which were autonomous areas within the Ottoman Empire. Nicholas' aim was not territorial conquest or to provoke a war but rather to bully and test Turkey, to see what the response would be and to force the Sultan to give guarantees to the Orthodox Church that Christians would be protected from harm. Czar Nicholas I did not expect either a hostile response from Britain or Anglo-French co-operation, given that the two countries were seen as 'natural' enemies. The result of Nicholas' actions were far from what he expected and his gamble did not pay off because he actually put pressure on the European peace.

jimmyk

who would want to go to a school like that? And yet, they don't seem to have any trouble attracting students.

Well, I suppose the claim is that UVA is typical, so what's a girl to do, not go to college? But then you might think Wellesley, Bryn Mawr, Mt Holyoke, etc. should be safe havens. But maybe nowhere is safe from the ubiquitous rape culture.

Beasts of England

@Ig: He did say something about being fruitful and multiplying this morning. :)

daddy

These bastards have already burned down my favorite bar in Berkeley. If they burn down my favorite Used BookStore I'm really gonna' be pissed.

Tear Gas, Looting, And Violence Plague Protest In Berkeley, California

A demonstration over recent police killings of unarmed black men turned violent in Berkeley, California, late Saturday and early Sunday.

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