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December 08, 2014

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Eric in Boise

where rape has been used as a weapon of war.

...as opposed to America, where the accusation of rape is being used as a weapon of war.

Captain Hate

Sooooo who believes that the GOPe is gutsy enough to take on Title IX or whatever ill conceived legislation or regulation that is driving this trainwreck?

Jack is Back!

Clarice,

You may want to contact TM. He obviously didn't get the memo about "obsessing over the UVA rape story". Two threads in a row.

Iggy

A doctor discusses the likely causes of Garner's death and dismisses the choke hold claim.

Captain Hate

What TM has linked here is exactly the story I've wanted discussed for some time and almost completely mirrors an experience of one of my Hatette's classmates at Columbia.

Jack is Back!

iggy,

I think Ananomom gave the same analysis a few days back.

BTW, in a moment of "residual obsession", Charles C. W. Cooke has an excellent article at NRO: "Why Are Conservatives So Invested in Debunking The Rolling Stones Story?"

Short answer: Their not

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/394183/why-are-conservatives-so-invested-debunking-rolling-stone-story-charles-c-w-cooke?utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Corner&utm_source=twitterfeed

Iggy

Jack Cashill on the different treatments of Stacey Koon vs the black woman supervising Garner's arrest.

NKrebootsquared

Iggy-- fab link from that physician. Garner definitely weiged more than 350lbs, he was a huge man, just just fat, he was a huge fat man. Why wasn't information presented to the GJ about that supervising Sgt's negligent handling of the arrest? Why wasn't information presented about Mayor Bane forcing cops to arrest loossey sellers? The bogus Prog 'outrage' is a sick joke.

NKrebootsquared

And Cashill is fantastic in that other link.

rse

Over Thanksgiving when the Diva wanted to go to a late movie with Red, Red retorted that "nothing good happens after midnight."

Mustn't pass that nugget of wisdom on to college students who never first heard it at home? Really Justice Dept? And they wonder why the dysfunction keeps recurring. Need more programs and spending.

I know it's not because the federal government has no interest in regulating behavior.

Iggy

I actually read the Slate article TM linked despite its length.
Well worth the read and a few things spring to mind;
1. Emily Yoffe is an excellent writer and reporter.
2. A sufficient number of railroaded young men bringing massive lawsuits against universities will severely curtail their desire for PC fascist "justice".
3. This disturbing trend was turbocharged by Barry's handpicked PC fascists at DoE abusing Title IX.
4. Merging coed dorms, lots of booze and the sexual revolution with 18-24 year olds results in very many very bad outcomes. As usual the left's contribution is to propose solution which involve them being granted massive dictatorial power to "fix" a "crisis" they created.

None of those are original observations or exactly hard to perceive and yet nobody ever seems to implement the equally obvious solutions to the last one.
Let's hope with the departure of the wretched Barry and his merry prankster crew that someone will gut the bureaucracy. I don't know how the country recovers with the radicals in place.

lyle

I haven't checked much of the comments here for a few days, but I hope someone posted this off Insty. A commenter at Ace, on Pearl Harbor Day:

During the 3-1/2 years of World War 2 that started with the Japanese bombing of Pearl Harbor in December 1941 and ended with the Surrender of Germany and Japan in 1945, “We the People of the U.S.A.” produced the following:

22 aircraft carriers,
8 battleships,
48 cruisers,
349 destroyers,
420 destroyer escorts,
203 submarines,
34 million tons of merchant ships,
100,000 fighter aircraft,
98,000 bombers,
24,000 transport aircraft,
58,000 training aircraft,
93,000 tanks,
257,000 artillery pieces,
105,000 mortars,
3,000,000 machine guns, and
2,500,000 military trucks.

We put 16.1 million men in uniform in the various armed services, invaded Africa, invaded Sicily and Italy, won the battle for the Atlantic, planned and executed D-Day, marched across the Pacific and Europe, developed the atomic bomb, and ultimately conquered Japan and Germany.

It’s worth noting, that during the almost exact amount of time, the Obama Administration couldn’t even build a web site that worked.

NKrebootsquared

Thanks for the summary Iggy. The Winston kid had his 'hearing' last week for violating FSU Campus Codes. For the reasons your comment summarizes, he will be found GUITY; but when? before or after the BCS playoffs?

Jack is Back!

In filing Frederick's school work for last week I came across his Religion test in which he was asked, "What are some situations in which people can show their trust in God?"

His answer: Bungee jumping and skydiving.:)

Cathy M.

If Some night I leave my Mercedes convertible in downtown Newark, with the top down, motor running, keys in the ignition, and my MacBook Air, handbag full of cash, and leather jacket on the front seat, I'm going to get some grief if the next morning all is not as I left it, and I start whining about it. I won't be hailed and worshipped a a "survivor" who's judgment cannot be question without the questioners being publicly damned as "victim-shamers" and "larceny-apologists", I will probably be called a bloody eejit and people will ask, "So what did you EXPECT?!"

The message won't be "teach people not to steal", it will be "ferchissakes, exercise a bit of caution, ya big dummy".

The inner-city theft culture must be stopped!!!!!!

Dave (in MA)

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/scott-whitlock/2014/12/08/ann-compton-obama-he-has-profanity-laced-tirades-against-press

He's sick & tired of the media always being against him.

Or something.

Old Lurker

Lyle, James beat you to that list two threads back. I responded as follows:

Jame's list at 10:38 of what "We the people" constructed in WWII is outstanding.

As a real estate guy, I have always been blown away by the fact that the Empire State Building was built in <14 months, and the Pentagon in 16.

The Pentagon is in Arlington County which today takes about that long to issue me permits to build ADA bathrooms...

Iggy

In a demonstration of how idiotic and countersensical [since I'm inventing words maybe antisensical is better] lefty's are, this dumb broad at Slate asks; Will Integrating Women Into Fraternities Help Reduce Sexual Abuse?
Sure it will, and while we're at it how bout we mandate intersex king-sized bed sleeping arrangements with a nightly IV of Jack Daniels?

Old Lurker

James'

James D.

My thought about that list is that it's amazing how we could do all that in 3.5 years, but it's going to take us 14 years to design/build just one new submarine.

The Empire State/Pentagon comparison to construction of anything really big these days is equally amazing, and depressing.

Jack is Back!

OL,

No OSHA, EPA and a trillion pages of other regulations back then.

NKrebootsquared

OL-- the Empire State Building history is worth reading. Al Smith was Tammany, so he formed his syndicate with the understanding that his Tammany Bona Fides would get government redtape and union issues handled, and he's strong arm tenants in. Those politics aside, the engineering and construction management aspects are amazing. Steel beams forged in Bethleham Pa railed to Hoboken and barged across to manhattan and trucked to the site 'still warm' wasn't much of an exageration. Al Smith had been governor of NYS at a time when socialist candidates got 3-5% of the popular vote in NYS statewide elections.

rse

I heartily recommend William Manchester's The Glory and the Dream America 1932-1972 as the greatest narrative to truly appreciate what we did in WW2.

My college required all books read in the previous 2 years as part of the college app. After I was a student there one of my profs told me he remembered my app and told the admissions office that anyone who knew of and had read that book at 16 deserved admittance. I didn't understand since it was such a good book, but apparently it signalled something at that time.

My paperback copy was in sad shape by the time my kids were teenagers so I bought a hard cover used for them.

Iggy

Senator Ma'am retiring, her friends say.
Too bad she'll probably be replaced by someone just as left wing but inevitably smarter since the only person dumber than her is already employed as the junior Senator of Massachusetts.

Dave (in MA)

Heh,

Yesterday in the Rams/Skins game, instead of sending the team Captains out for the coin toss, Jeff Fisher sent the 6 guys involved in the RG3 trade.

clarice

I'm beginning this is all a plot to drive college age men insane and frigid.

Iggy

I won't quibble over the strangling regs we have now but it is worth noting that from Dec 41 until Japan surrendered we didn't produce much else besides what is on that list.

Were we to war mobilize our present economy I suspect its production would be pretty impressive as well.

clarice

I had a friend on FDR's staff (later McArthur's) who said shortly after Dec 7 Roosevelt gave a radio address assuring Americans that planes were already rolling off the assembly lines. An inquiry came to him afterward from the WH asking precisely how many planes had been made--the answer was none.

danoso

Yesterday in the Rams/Skins game, instead of sending the team Captains out for the coin toss, Jeff Fisher sent the 6 guys involved in the RG3 trade.

Yeah, we got St. Louis - it was a stupid trade for us, long before you pulled that. Now GF yourselves. And your team still stinks btw

Old Lurker

That's why I listed the Empire State Building, Iggy. That was 1930. Today we cannot produce an office building 1/10 the size of either of those in much less than twice the time, if that.

jimmyk

None of those are original observations or exactly hard to perceive and yet nobody ever seems to implement the equally obvious solutions to the last one.

Ultimately it's the parents (and perhaps alums) that have to force the colleges' hands. I know some of you here are sending kids off to college. I'm a few years away from that, so maybe it's easy for me to say, but I can't understand how parents can comfortably send their kids off to some of these places, especially daughters. I would think there would be a huge advantage to a university offering at least a choice of at least single-sex dorms, and even visitation restrictions.

Iggy

Iraqis meet the new boss who, despite being heterosectual, seems to be same as the old boss.

Old Lurker

Also Iggy, I'm not sure what we could produce in physical assets like WWII even if we mobilized in similar fashion. In WWII and with the Empire State Building the steel was made in 6 mile long mills in Pittsburgh and Bethlehem which are long gone today as are many of the mines that produced the ores needed. Ditto many of the other huge assembly lines. Likewise, Americans had learned by WWII that life is hard and and hard work when needed is necessary to survive. And you know better than everyone else here how simple the systems in those vehicles were compared to today. Can we even produce the chips needed to build a high tech military using resources that exist in the lower 48? And so on and so on.

rse

jimmy-what I have found is that most parents assume that college has not changed that much since they attended. That's especially true when the college or university is highly ranked on lists. Parents just believe that a prestigious name is THE ticket.

Meanwhile I will go to a presentation and the profs will excitedly talk about not lecturing or using textbooks anymore. Making engagement with the community and real problems the course focus. It's a train wreck just waiting for parents or students to wake up. I cannot believe an Emory prof would crow like that and never acknowledge that students are paying for than $60K for that and there will be no comparable return for most.

Captain Hate

I can't understand how parents can comfortably send their kids off to some of these places, especially daughters.

I never worried a bit about it. The first Hatette originally went to Bard which seemed like a safe enough place; then when I met her roommate when she moved into the dorm and her family it put my mind at ease in that she was relatively normal. She subsequently went to Hunter after Giuliani cleaned up the city so no worries there for that or the younger going to Columbia (other than paying for it).

Because of the story TM has been obsessing about following I'd worry more about a son.

NKrebootsquared

WSJ about the Shia Militias-- I believe we were discussing the mores of the 'religion of peace.'

Iggy

--And you know better than everyone else here how simple the systems in those vehicles were compared to today.--

True OL, but all the rest of the world is constrained by similarly complex systems and we lead the world in systems design and integration and we've seen how systems a generation or two or three behind fare in actual war.

The regulatory roadblocks, IMO, would be eliminated very quickly if we were in a similarly existential type of war, so while we wouldn't be producing 100,000 rivet and cable fighters we could produce some rough modern equivalent.

Old Lurker

rse,

My back of the envelope calculation is that at every top fifty university, our kids get about half the real teaching & learning in four years at ten times the cost compared with even the 60's. A parent for whom Harvard did great in 1969 would be shocked at how much less can be accomplished to receive the same degree today.

By limiting my comment to the top 50, I can say that a properly motivated student today CAN (but is not required to) get as good an education as his fathers and grandfathers, but that demands intense motivation and guidance.

At many universities not in the top fifty, like with Iggy's steel mill above, it might not even be possible to recreate what was taught in generations past.

Old Lurker

Fair points both, Iggy.

Captain Hate

Yeah, we got St. Louis - it was a stupid trade for us, long before you pulled that. Now GF yourselves. And your team still stinks btw

Exactly, they've still got a losing record with all those great draft choices. Maybe sooper head coach Jeff Fisher thinks stunts before the game will take attention away from that.

Marlene

jimmyk,our daughter graduated from college 15 years ago.We never worried about her,because as rse and others have mentioned,if your kids are taught values and common sense,then you have to trust them to make good decisions. I'm so glad we've "been there done that",because I've observed our twenty something nieces and nephews and they will have to be resilient to make their way as adults in the 21st century.

NKrebootsquared

Marlene@2:27-- so true about today's 20somethings.

Tom Maguire
He obviously didn't get the memo about "obsessing over the UVA rape story"

The OCD is taking over. I have been riding it but now I have to guide it...

[Jameis Winston] will be found GUITY; but when? before or after the BCS playoffs?

As I understand the calendar he will be found guilty in the next two weeks. Either side can then appeal, and a FINAL final ruling will almost surely not precede the Championship game in January. Of course, if FSU goes out in the first round, maybe they can speed that up.

Yesterday in the Rams/Skins game, instead of sending the team Captains out for the coin toss, Jeff Fisher sent the 6 guys involved in the RG3 trade.

I knew it was getting cold up here, and now I know why.

Marlene

The day we moved the daughter into her dorm room freshman year, we were pleased to see she was in a double room,not a triple room.When we met her roommate and the roommate's parents,we realized why she was in a double.Her roommate's uncle was one of the deans of the college,a Benedictine priest. Her roommate's mother (the priest's sister) gave me some good advice. I wanted everything in the room perfect before we left. Her roommate's Mom had experience moving older kids into college and said trust me,the dorm room will only be perfect on moving in day.

Dave (in MA)
Maybe sooper head coach Jeff Fisher thinks stunts before the game will take attention away from that.
More importantly, was I amused? Yes.
jimmyk

if your kids are taught values and common sense,then you have to trust them to make good decisions.

Yes, and I think I will similarly in a few years, but it's still a bit daunting, and the pressures and temptations seem much bigger today.

Captain, that's why I said "some of these places." No doubt some appear safer than others. This story from a couple years ago gives me nightmares:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/06/01/missing-student-lauren-spierer-3-year-anniversary/9844557/

In any case, if I were running a university I'd still want to offer single-sex dorms and some other 'in loco parentis' options.

Neo

Am I destined for "the cover of the Rolling Stone" ?

I'm going to come clean right here and now.
During my Junior year in college, one of my professors threw an eraser at me because I fell asleep in his class.
It was traumatic.

NKrebootsquared

Maguire says regarding Winston: "As I understand the calendar he will be found guilty in the next two weeks. Either side can then appeal,...."

So I am to understand that FSU will send out a convicted (student conduct offense) sexual assailant on to the field wearing FSU colors in the inaugural NCAA Footbal playoffs? Oh I can't wait for this, the rape epidemic maniacs against the racialists.. buy popcorn.

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