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December 04, 2014

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Old Lurker

If it is fact from the Federal Government, it is not.

First?

henry

Yup, the Obamacare website roll out was not an anomaly.

Dave (in MA)

Maybe I just don't pay a lot of attention to this sort of thing, but why is the following supposed to be such a huge deal?

http://patterico.com/2014/12/04/breaking-rogue-new-orleans-prosecutors-commented-anonymously-on-articles-about-okeefe/

Iggy

--actually gathering topical national data is a logical Federal responsibility--

Not really.
The states can gather their own stats.
The Feds can gather Fed data.
And why should the twain meet?
Some private entity or the states themselves can aggregate state crime stats.
There is no logical Fed role in doing so.
Just the opposite; "federal" does not equal "national".

narciso

well those prosecutors were involved in unethical behavior, in the course of prosecuting New Orleans police, and were party to the bogus charge against O'Keefe, to obscure Dead Candidate Walking's part in the Louisiana Purchase 2, Electric Boogaloo,

Jack is Back!

I was going to be first before I was distracted by that Hillary song.

Even Zantac couldn't calm the stomach so I went with Vodka and now on Scotch. Nothing seems to work.

Jack is Back!

BTW, I was talking to my cousin the other day. He is a retired 30 year police officer/detective/precint captain in a major US city.

I could see him shrugging his shoulders over the Michael Brown kerfuffle. Water off an old dog's back, I guess. But what he did tell me is that the one thing he got really scared and worried and cautious about was someone "resisting arrest". He said it was unpredictable what could happen and you can't train for every circumstance.

His take is in those situations anything can happen either for the police or the offender. I think he is right. How the hell do you predict what anyone will do once you say "put your hands behind your back"?

Extraneus

"Basic management," you say?

Barack knows management.

President Obama said today an inspector general's report exonerated Attorney General Eric Holder of involvement in the "Fast and Furious" fiasco

"I will tell you that Eric Holder has my complete confidence because he has shown himself to be willing to hold accountable those who took these actions and is passionate about making sure that we're preventing guns from getting into the wrong hands," Obama said during an Hispanic issues forum in Coral Gables, Fla.

That's management. Finding a scapegoat.

narciso

they have gone "Full Bialystok"

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/05/business/shake-up-at-the-new-republic-franklin-foer-and-leon-wieseltier-are-out.html?_r=0

henry

Althouse likes the Shrillary thing... says something about intended audience (oh boy could I get in trouble with an honest description of that market segment).

JiB, drink something from a mason jar.

Extraneus

The Dems are flailing. They have entire media empires doing their bidding, and what are these lackeys focused on? College "rape" and police brutality - and they can't even find good cases for either.

They're panicking about single women and blacks, who already vote for them in overwhelming numbers.

Jack is Back!

EX,

You probably know the law of "scapegoating" but in case you forgot: The most vulnerable person in an organization is the one less able to defend themselves.

Man, have I seen that apply a hundred times or more:)

Ben

It's sp much better to go after the videographer who filmed Garner's righteous murder.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/03/ramsey-orta-indictment-eric-garner_n_6264746.html

Ben

Grand Juries; victims of the Law. Can they file suit?

Captain Hate

they have gone "Full Bialystok"

The Children of the Cornhole have gone full feral in kicking Leon out.

Ben

" I think he is right. How the hell do you predict what anyone will do once you say "put your hands behind your back"?"

Kelly Thomas can't speak for himself, but if her were alive he might say; 'Eff off, Jackoff."

Captain Hate

Althouse likes the Shrillary thing... says something about intended audience (oh boy could I get in trouble with an honest description of that market segment).

I honestly never know if she's being serious or just playing Gracie Allen for bgates and the rest to pile on. Assuming she's serious, solidarity in dumpy blondes.

Danube on iPad

No grand jury witness has any idea what any other grand jury witness has testified to, nor what exhibits were introduced other than the ones that were shown to him.

Jane

How many threads....?

Captain Hate

https://twitter.com/UrbanAchievr/status/540598386702180353/photo/1

narciso

the Bond series might be sputtering to a close, why do I say this, well Daniel Craig, could easily play a Russian member of the Bratva, and they have come up with the most unoriginal title imaginable, Spectre

MarkO

I suggest we discuss Duke's win on the road over #2 Wisconsin. Or, the birth certificate.

Extraneus

So the black female sergeant was actually on the scene, supervising the arrest, and never told Pantaleo to release Garner?

Surely she testified before the GJ.

http://minx.cc:1080/?post=353544

I don't understand why so many cops were there for a guy selling cigarettes. Anyone know?

Iggy

TNR headline at Memorandum;

The NYC Cop Who Strangled Eric Garner to Death Is Free Thanks to a Legal Flaw. Here's How Voters Can Fix It.

Like MM, I believe I'll quit discussing any of this stuff. There is no intention to make things better or understand what has happened in any particular case or even have a discussion. It's ginned up outrage for racist purposes.

My suggestion still stands; fire all white cops and hire all minorities in their place, then it will be perfectly fine for black cops to pop as many caps in black crooks as they please.

Ben

"Anyone know?"


I sat nn a jury where the accused (private citizen) had been cited for road rage against a guy with contacts @ County Sheriff. He was interrogated by a gold-badge at the scene (highly unusual) and was summarily indicted. Had a public defender who was quite good, for a change. We found him not guilty. The jury system works. It's the GJ system that's effed up.

Ben

" I believe I'll quit discussing any of this stuff. "

No announcement necessary. just keep your trap shut.

boatbuilder

I thoroughly enjoyed the Duke-Wisconsin game, Marko.

Jane

I don't understand why so many cops were there for a guy selling cigarettes. Anyone know?

Because the nanny state told them to stop him.

Danube on iPad

A tutorial on the history of Grand Juries in America:

http://www.law.fsu.edu/journals/lawreview/frames/241/kaditxt.html

Any who feel the system is flawed are free to offer their constructive criticisms.

Jack is Back!

Beasts, what do yiou think of Jim McElwain coming to the Gators? He did a good job for Saban iwth McCarron while there and I think he is the right choice. We need more offense and a good QB coach. He'll bring in the best D guy available.

We'll see how the recruitihng goes in the next two years. This year's is most likely done and nothing to gain.

Stephanie

The jury system works. It's the GJ system that's effed up.

Nice pavlovian response to the narrative they are trying to establish. Do you bleet when you post?

I would rather be in front of a GJ than a regular jury. IIRC there are no 'strikes' on a GJ - you are impaneled and that is it - no tinkering by the lawyers to find the dimmest bulbs on the planet to hear the case.

On a regular jury, the lawyers strike anyone with an education, critical thinking skillz or any knowledge about firearms, forensics, or anything that can be detrimental to their "version" of the truth - both sides slanting the pool for their benefit. Plus, I don't like being steered to a result which is what lawyers try to do on a regular jury. On a GJ, you can ask your own questions and follow any ideas you have that might not have been thought of by the prosecutor for or against the defendant. Much more impartial to my way of thinking.

Ben

"On a regular jury, the lawyers strike anyone with an education, critical thinking skillz or any knowledge about firearms, forensics, or anything that can be detrimental to their "version" of the truth "

Nonsense. I've served on a number of juries and the jurist/DA are highly respectful of knowledgeable jurors. They will ask you if you know anyone in law enforcement or if you have ever had a negative experience with LE that might prejudice your pov.

But they don't like loose cannons. Once they tried to intimidate me when I asked if this was a three-strikes/ mandatory sentience case.

They gave me some bullshit, then proceeded to continue the same tack. When I inquired again, the judge dismissed me with some prejudice.

narciso

the rest of yesterday's story:

http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2014/12/caucasus_emirate_att.php

lyle

McTurtle getting interviewed on Greta now.

GUS

Dana Gilbert Ward is full of shit.

narciso

there are some parallels with what Dryden unveils in the Plan


http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2014/dec/18/how-he-and-his-cronies-stole-russia/?insrc=wci

Stephanie

LOL, lawyers don't want people with knowledge of how things work that are important to their case. They want to 'educate' the jury on the things that are important to their case. Judges don't like knowledgeable jurors, either. If a lawyer misrepresents how a gun works or how a sailboat works or how a poison works and you are in the jury room and put the jury wise to how it was explained wrong, the case is subject to mistrial because you introduced something to the other jurors that wasn't 'brought up' or 'introduced' during the trial. Makes no matter who is right or wrong on how it works, for the purposes of that trial, what is introduced at that trial is the correct explanation even when it's not correct in the real world. In a GJ the juror can put some understanding to the prosecutor and educate the rest of the panel, in a regular jury you'd be thrown out of the courtroom for correcting the misunderstanding. Misdirection is not practiced only by magicians...

MarkO

I've represented clients who testified before a grand jury. You know, of course, they must testify without counsel present and must do so under penalty of perjury.

Each one I represented was terrified of the process.

Ben

." Makes no matter who is right or wrong on how it works,"

And that makes the GJ more sacrosanct? I think you need a pill.

GUS

Bill Clinton lied before a Grand Jury, but it was only about SEX.

Jane

LOL, lawyers don't want people with knowledge of how things work that are important to their case.

They do if they are on the right side of the issue.

Iggy

Was flipping through the channels last night and happened upon Tony Bennett smiling up a storm next to some girl draped over his shoulder on PBS.
After a few seconds I realized he was smiling so broadly either because he was trying to not fall down laughing or was trying to suppress a flood of tears as the broad hanging from his suit was the talentless cow Lady Gaga.

I felt kinda bad for her, actually, trying to be things she just can't be.
She's like Judy Garland with all of the pathologies and hang ups and none of the talent.

Stephanie

One for the football fans:

https://www.facebook.com/TheComicalConservative/photos/a.133361476797039.26402.133352176797969/426893694110481/?type=1&theater

narciso

so this was the other story today:

http://rt.com/news/211047-nuclear-plant-accident-ukraine/

I think we've really lost all perspective,

BB Key

NOT OT ! (apologies to GUS)

carolinaplotthound.com (NC version of the Drudge Report)
has a link to Loretta Lynch at a Duke Law forum in 2007 after the Nifong resignation . Someone please link it for JOMers to send it to their Senators prior to her confirmation hearing and while she is "making the rounds on Capitol Hill"

Also apologize for being a lurking ludite :)

narciso

someone points out the travismockasham

http://www.businessinsider.com/cia-contractors-at-benghazi-speak-out-2014-12

Janet - I wish my family had a poncho

Attorney General nominee Loretta Lynch had mixed reaction to Duke lacrosse case....

http://nlpc.org/stories/2014/12/04/ag-nominee-loretta-lynch-had-mixed-reaction-duke-lacrosse-rape-case

Threadkiller

The Constitutional Crisis

http://
www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhlMx_ly0jw

Threadkiller

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhlMx_ly0jw

Threadkiller

I wonder if Howard Kurtz will marvel at that needle/haystack video find, BB Key and Janet.

Jack is Back!

TK,

Is McClintock your Congressman? I thought you were in San Diego.

Captain Hate on the iPad

Shocking that Lynch sees everything through race; that's so unlike the 404 circle.

BB Key

Thanks Janet, I can now go back to my second favorite website NOAA radar .

sbw

McTurtle?

Threadkiller

He is America's Congressman, JiB.

Captain Hate

Exactly how, under GOPe control, did the House Intelligence Committee Report on Benghazi become such a clusterfuck? What part of the Big Picture am I missing?

Miss Marple

Hello, all.

Back from my weekly auction where I scooped up some good deals. AM going to be busy listing things this weekend so thought I would check in here for a couple of hours.

I see that this race thing is still on the TV, so "click."

I can read about how many riots are going on on the internet.

Iggy

He's my congressman and he ought to be pres if only to cause the entire GOP DC big wigs to come over all aflutter and reach for the smelling salts.

Captain Hate

Miss Marple, Jane hasn't given us any more math problems. I'm not usually a judgemental person (incoming lightning bolt any second now..) but if I was I'd say she's badly let us down.

Beasts of England

I don't care for the McElwain hire. Which means its a good hire for UF. ;)

Janet - I wish my family had a poncho

MM,
Do you have a site where you sell your antiques?

narciso

well it's worse than that, Captain the truth doesn't enter into her calculations at all,

the evidence is quite clear, that the 'blowback' from this 'splendid little war' that the President engineered in North Africa, has been very severe indeed, beginning with the assasination of Ambassador Stevens, and culminating with the rise of the third Caliphate in that region

Bori

Just finished a long conversation with my uncle he is a retired Lieutenant of 35 years with the police forces in NY and Puerto Rico.

From what he told me based on the video it is hard to point out anything that the cop did wrong.

He told me that almost 30% of deaths to police are during an arrest. If we add those that happen answering disturbance calls the total rises to 50%.

This is why cops answer calls en masse, using overwhelming force usually prevents problems incidents like Mike Brown. It should have prevented the Garner incident but people are unpredictable, seeing the amount of cops present.

BTW, according to him 80% of attacks on cops are done by unarmed suspects and 30% result in serious injuries.

Beasts of England

@JiB: Just to be clear, I think McElwain is a very solid hire. I also like that UF was decisive in his selection. It doesn't appear to be a bloodbath year for head coaches, but why end up in a possible bidding war if you can tie it up quickly...

narciso

Rupert Pupkin has to get attention somehow

http://hotair.com/archives/2014/12/04/jeff-toobin-im-not-saying-the-da-buried-thegarner-case-it-to-get-in-good-with-conservatives-but/

jimmyk

I don't understand why so many cops were there for a guy selling cigarettes. Anyone know?

From the video it seems that the cops were there because there was a fight. Someone, or maybe Garner himself, said all he was doing was "breaking up a fight." Beyond that one would have to hear the GJ testimony.

jimmyk

Exactly how, under GOPe control, did the House Intelligence Committee Report on Benghazi become such a clusterfuck?

I thought I'd read that this was not actually a committee report, but some renegade report by the two committee members, Rogers (who is on his way out, retiring) and some Democrat. It just got played up by the MFM as some official thing. Is that accurate?

Beasts of England

Any chance the Garner GJ will release transcripts? And while it may be a carpy precedent, it helped (amongst the rational citizenry) to understand the testimony and thought process in Ferguson.

daddy

Ughh...

Mark Begich considering run for Mayor of Anchorage

Traditional logic would tell us that he probably won't, but given that we are a State with only 1 real town, this would be like a holding pattern for some future Congressional job, keeping him in the Limelight and providing a platform to continually criticize Lisa M, Don Young, and the guy who just beat him, Dan Sullivan.

He's still got the Public Sector Unions in his pocket from his previous stint as Mayor, so my guess is he'd win fairly easily.

Miss Marple

Janet,

I have an eBay store. If you email me at christa dot cooper at comcast dot net I will give you the link.

My store is picked over right now because I have been busy selling, but I will be listing stuff this weekend. I have a Lalique bird, a set of 8 George Briard Mid-century on the rocks glasses, and large lots of Madame Alexander dolls and Boyd's Bears plush.

I ran into some really interesting stuff tonight including original art work from San Francisco.

One of the things I love about what I do is that you never know what will show up at the auction! And consequently, people who frequent my store never know what they will find, either!

jimmyk

Actually this gives a bit more detail. It technically was a committee report, but a lot of the Rs had gotten so disgusted with Rogers that they stopped participating. Not smart in retrospect.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/12/04/gop-lawmakers-benghazi-survivors-fume-over-house-report/

Captain Hate

You're probably right, jimmyk, because I think I remember something like that on its release. I guess I expected Business Insider to be a cut above the standard practice by the MFM of not specifically noting that every time the report is referred to. I went back and the way it's presented a reader would be led to believe that the report was a reflection of the entire committee.

RickB

jimmyk,

Gowdy will run the House Select Committee on Benghazi in the 114th beginning in January. It may become a Joint Select Committee as time passes.

It won't be over until the broomstick is broken.

Davod

DC police chief Lanier is the same person who changed the name of gangs to something like community groups. Meaningless, you say. Maybe, but community group crime does not appear on the FBI stats. DC became a better place to live, according to the FBI crime figures.

Captain Hate

Wow, thanks for that 9:39 update. WTF was with Rogers? He seemed to be a straight shooter when he'd appear on Rove News Sunday. I'm completely mystified by this.

Miss Marple

Captain Hate,

I vaguely remember his wife was involved in something which made him have a conflict of interest.

I am sorry I can't be more detailed, but there is so much stuff going on my brain goes on overload.

Jane on Ipad

More math? The first problem nearly killed me?

Miss Marple

Jane,

A train is departing from Chicago to Detroit and is traveling 50 mph. A train is departing from Detroit to Chicago going 60 mph.

Where will they pass and exactly how racist are the owners of the railway corporations?

Captain Hate

Miss Marple, his wife is the Managing Director and CEO of Aspen Healthcare per Wiki and there was no mention of a conflict being the reason for him stepping down. He said he would be hosting a syndicated radio show for which this performance should get some irate callers.

It really makes no sense to me that he would go full RINO on the report unless the Judge Roberts disease is contagious.

Miss Marple

Elinor Holmes Norton has not read the evidence and the evidence doesn't concern her. (I turned on Fox for Hannity and will probably regret it.)

Oh, she hopes we have a conversation! Swell, more conversation stuff.

Joan

Iggy's 6:59:

Oh, wow, I love this post. Makes perfect sense to me.

Miss Marple

Captain Hate, I am going to go look. Back in a while after I figure out what it is I have stuck in the back of my mind.

RickB

Jane,

I think TC is a little disappointed that you didn't ask him a followup on how to best structure receipt of the proceeds wrt the IRS. After all, it ain't how much you get, it's how much you keep.

Neo

I once heard that the staff of Ralph Nader's Public Citizen said that "ugly" is the civil rights "final frontier."

Captain Hate

Jane, I was just glad I was able to figure out how to use the Windows calculator to get the answer.

Miss Marple

Captain Hate,

His wife was CEO of a company involved in providing Benghazi security.

http://politibrew.com/politics/51-is-this-why-mike-rogers-is-leaving-office

And

http://shoebat.com/2014/06/21/talk-radio-congressman-mike-rogers-will-need-excellent-call-screener/

And

http://patriotsforamerica.ning.com/forum/topics/spec-ops-screams-mike-rogers-covering-for-his-wife-in-benghazi?xg_source=activity

jimmyk on iPhone

CH, I don't have a favorable impression of Business Insider. As for Roger's wife, I thought she was involved in some company that did business with the Pentagon.

Porchlight

MM, I love Georges Briard! I have some footed plastic tumblers from the 70s that I grew up with. Very dated but I love them.

narciso

from what the Conservative Treehouse put forth
he's one of the 'gang of eight' in the loop on the Libyan operation, and perhaps Syria, so it's strictly CYA

btw, the Huntress is causing some vapors to be felt tonight,

Captain Hate

Oh for God's sake, thanks Miss Marple for overcoming that massive fail by the Wikitards. Rogers should've resigned immediately from the entire committee much less chairing it. And what does that say about the leadership of Johnny Boehner.

That's horrible even for the party of stoopid.

Miss Marple

I currently have an ice bucket, 2 small bowls, and the set of glasses I mentioned earlier.

He was an interesting guy. This is from his Wikipedia entry:

"Born Jascha Brojdo in the Ukraine (then in the Russian Empire), he moved to Chicago from Poland in 1937. He studied at the Art Institute of Chicago where he earned his MFA, studying there while living in Oak Park with relatives. He served in the U.S. Army throughout World War II as a Russian interpreter. As an Army interpreter fluent in several languages, he served on Gen. George S. Patton's staff. In 1947, he was discharged from the Army and started working in New York with Max Wille, whom he had met in art school. Brojdo began painting metal serving trays for sale, and evidently Wille came up with the name Georges Briard to mark commercial pieces – Brodjo was also a painter and would use his real name on his art pieces, but Georges Briard became his signature as a designer of these commercial articles, which were wildly popular and numerous. His notable designs were produced first by M. Wille Company, and later in a partnership with Philip Stetson."

Porchlight

Twitter lulz

#HillaryCountrySongs

Miss Marple

Captain Hate,

My cynicism is at DefCon 10.

I believe no one (especially given my recent personal history).

Deeds not words, I say, and I look now at what people (and their relatives) DO.

Porchlight

Wow, MM. I had no idea. Patton's staff!

Captain Hate

Your skepticism is well placed, Miss Marple.

Yes the Huntress has bamboozled the usual suspects yet again:

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/DC-Decoder/Decoder-Buzz/2014/1202/Sarah-Palin-weighs-in-on-Ferguson.-Was-it-funny-or-offensive

Miss Marple

Porchlight,

Isn't that something?

I hope he died a wealthy and happy guy. His stuff is so creative and varied, and is almost the signature accessory for Mid-century design.

narciso

this link in fact,

Miss Marple

Thanks, narciso!

Jim Miller

An example of how dangerous unarmed suspects can be: About five years ago, a police officer got a call about a naked man in a road. The officer went there, found the man, who was obviously high on drugs, approached him, and was attacked. In the struggle, the naked guy was able to grab the officer's gun and shoot and kill him with it.

As I recall, the naked guy used a trick known to experienced criminals to break open the officer's holster -- which is not something you are likely to expect from a raving naked guy.

As I recall, when the police came in force, the naked guy surrendered without too much fuss.

(My apologies for being vague, but that's all I can remember right now.)

Captain Hate

Porch's #HillaryCountrySongs is comedy gold.

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