Even Setting Aside Benghazi...

Libya is in chaos following the 2011 ouster of Qadaffi, an effort which Hillary promoted eagerly although the US led from behind. So how in the world does Hillarity! 2016 manage to shift responsibility for that onto Bush?

Or maybe Dour John will bail her out with a UN deal, the same way our diplos have pacified Syria, because we all know ISIS is easy to talk to. I think hope is Hillarity!'s plan right now.

Comments

[Threadkiller]

Why is this media meltdown a better sign for conservatives than the meltdown they had over Mitt's innocuous little joke?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NSBXmIG4iQ

If you search that joke you will find Obama defenders have very similar fits to the ones they are having today.

Are there two separate nerves to hit?

[Threadkiller]

...having...

[Captain Hate]

Mike Pence says 404 violated the Constitution with his EO and Congress should use the power of the purse, lift the filibuster and send a bill to 404.

[jimmyk on iPad]

Narc's links at 9:09 and 9:53 tell us all we need to know about where Barry's sympathies lie: With the anti-Israel terrorist sympathizers, and against the reformist anti-terror Muslims. If Republicans aren't all over this they should be tarred and feathered along with the Dems.

Today's NYT has a front page story on the alleged plan to take back Mosul, but they relegate to page 10 the unbelievable disclosure of the battle plan by the Pentagon that will likely doom the operation, or at least cost many lives. Somehow it was more important to this administration to get the publicity out there that they are "doing something" than to actually succeed in doing it. At least the Rs are all over this.

[Captain Hate]

Pence doesn't like how 404 is conducting the war of terror. I hate to tell you, Miss Marple, that he's coming off very well so far. He just nailed 404 for the Crusades crap.

[Danube on iPad]

"The school registration document you posted lists his religion as Islam."

Loons have been pointing to that for years as "proof" of his faith (it isn't), all the while ignoring that it's a Roman Catholic school.

I was baptized Episcopalian. I have no idea where my baptism certificate is, and as far as I know I have never seen it.

[Captain Hate]

Pence won't go as far as Kasich in terms as there *have* to be boots on the ground. Now he's bragging about what he's done as governor of Indiana and he's not making any further commitment. Oh dear God "I'm just a small town guy from southern Indiana".

[Danube on iPad]

Excellent, Clarice. This administration has lost this argument badly.

[Captain Hate]

Pence is being a wimp about 404's patriotism.

[Danube on iPad]

Jeh Johnson's name was taken from a Nigerian tribal chief who supposedly saved Johnson's grandfather's life.

[Threadkiller]

Information contained on registration documents is not proof* of anything.

*Except 9 layer pdfs of birth registries.

[Captain Hate]

Power: Repubs are making a mistake no distancing themselves from Rudy. Strassel: GOP should stick to policy. Baker: ditto. Will: makes the collection of quiche eating wimps complete. Strassel: Hurray for Jeb's foreign policy speech; Rupert must be so happy. Will: Jeb didn't hurt himself and compares him to Ted Williams. Baker: a return to Repub hawkishness. Power: the Bush family is far from consistent on foreign policy. Will: Rodham's shady foundation shows the family's complete inability to be embarrassed. Baker: Rodham's woes helps Princess Running Joke. Strassel: the foundation has to give the money back. Power: this is a problem.

[Captain Hate]

And that's a wrap on this week's Rove News Sunday. I hope everybody plans to ignore the Academy Awards.

[Ignatz]

What's the big deal about what Walker said?
Except for the few people I am closest to, if you asked me if any of the hundreds of people I go to church with were Christians I'd have to give the same answer as Walker.
Only God knows what is really in someone's heart.

[Captain Hate]

Oops, Chris Wallace will interview Scott Walker on next week's Rove News Sunday. He's probably preparing gotcha questions as I type this.

And that's really a wrap.

[Threadkiller]

Again, I can't thank you enough, CH.

[Ignatz]

If water baptism is how one becomes a Christian then presumably Jesus was lying when he told the thief on the cross that day he would be in paradise with Him.

[Captain Hate]

YW TK

[Captain Hate]

Baptism removes the stain of original sin. Somebody could baptize a Jew or muslim surreptitiously and they'd still be a Jew or muslim.

[Rick Ballard]

"Did you know the dems lost the white working class by 69 -21% in 2012?"

Jane,

Sure, I knew that. It got worse in '14. It's actually ill posed for the probable electorate in '16 though. The absence of the black Mahometan Marxist is going to widen the "middle class" (productive) segment's antipathy towards Democrat hand outs to the non-productive substantially and the antipathy will reach into the Hispanic productive segment and also, to a lesser extent, into the black productive segment.

The BOzocare lies will continue to poison the Democrat Party as long as BOzocare exists and the poison will just grow stronger as the penalties rise.

[Danube on iPad]

The pdf is not proof of anything. The birth certificate of which it is an image is.

[Threadkiller]

pdfs of certificates are not proof of anything, therefore, photos of certificates from sympathetic NBC journalists are proof of everything.

[Captain Hate]

Rick, the inability of the commiecrats to take those numbers seriously in terms of making some high exposure changes will probably be countered by the GOPe donor class putting their financial resources behind the least able person to take advantage of the situation. Never underestimate their ability to squander positive situations.

[Threadkiller]

I don't want to clog the thread with another series of Obama defensive retorts, so I will stop intentionally provoking now.

I am curious about an answer to my 1st question of the day.

Why is this media meltdown better?

[Captain Hate]

RIP Clark Terry

[Jack is Back!]

35 years ago today: "Do you believe in miracles".

The team in in Lake Placid for a reunion. Story below.

http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2015/02/22/180-us-olympic-hockey-team-reunites-in-lake-placid/?cmpid=cmty_twitter_fn

My two beagles are 3 years old today or 21 in dog years.

DoT,

I know where your baptismal certificate is located if you don't. Its in the church in which you were baptized and you can request it anytime you wish. I have every baptismal certificate for my paternal side of my family all the way back to my great-great grandfather and his 11 children. It is the preferred method of geneological research in the UK.

[Captain Hate]

Why is this media meltdown better?

They can't spin it to gin up support for 404 in future elections.

[Miss Marple]

Captain Hate,

There you see the Pence problem in a nutshell.

I don't suppose anyone asked him about how much of Indiana's success is due to Mitch Daniels and how much to his efforts, did they? He has only been governor of Indiana TWO YEARS.

The strong on fighting ISIS is a no-brainer. However, he is going to bow to GOPe type advisers when it comes to the press. He introduced a shield bill to protect journalists from having to reveal their sources when he was in the House.

All well and good except it made no exception for national security. He is trying to curry favor with the press, and we all know how well that worked out.

[Danube on iPad]

"photos of certificates from sympathetic NBC journalists are proof of everything."

Wrong again.

[Captain Hate]

Ugh, a shield bill is a deal breaker for me. And no he didn't mention Mitch Daniels, even as "my predecessor", at all.

[Miss Marple]

Off to mass! See you guys later!

[Danube on iPad]

"Its in the church in which you were baptized and you can request it anytime you wish"

I don't know which church that was, and my parents are no longer with us.

[Threadkiller]

Photos of certificates are not proof of anything.

[Danube on iPad]

"Photos of certificates are not proof of anything."

The photo would not be admitted into evidence. The certificate would.

[rich@gmu]

damn it ...

... thanks for the run down of Rove News Sunday Captain Hate.

great pieces this morning Clarice. great to read with my morning coffee.

[clarice]

Legal Insurrection has a bright idea :http://legalinsurrection.com/2015/02/three-questions-all-democrats-must-answer/

Love it.

Thanks, DoT.

CH, yes that probably is the present day thinking on baptism. Regrettably as late as the late 1800's the Catholic Church took another point of view. In one tragic case, a nanny, took a Jewish boy to church, had him baptized and when his family refused to convert, the Italian courts allowed the church to remove him from his family. He later became a priest.

[jimmyk]

The photo would not be admitted into evidence. The certificate would.

The original would. Would a photocopy or pdf scan be admitted?

[Janet - I wish my family had a poncho]

Richard Fernandez - http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2015/02/22/a-question-of-personality/

"Obama is different. The Obama phenomenon is founded so completely on his legend that to attack the legend is to undermine the very foundations of the tower on which he stands."
...

" The authority for his actions is increasingly himself. This happens all the time with charismatic leaders. Hugo Chavez did it, and it leads to disaster. Because the day may come when someone may ask , “well where are all these beautiful and evocative short stories you wrote as an organizer?” Where are all the articles you wrote as President of the Harvard Law Review? And what was your legislative track record before becoming president? These questions are all off limits even though they are interrogatories of the most ordinary kind. And they are off limits for a reason. They undermine the root of the legend."

[AliceH]

Why is this media meltdown better?

Part of it is Romney was asked "what about your gaffe?" - a political question - whereas Walker was asked "what about that other guy?" - a WTF?! question.

[Janet - I wish my family had a poncho]

and on more bit - "In a very real sense, Giuliani’s question about “loving America” is another way of asking if you know who you are working for."

Seriously...WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE. Clarice's LI link points out the same thing.

[Danube on iPad]

"Would a photocopy or pdf scan be admitted?"

No. In most circumstances, the original or a certified copy is required to prove the content of an official record.

[rich@gmu]

good read Janet ...

[Threadkiller]

Alice, I am drawing a comparison between Giuliani and Romney.

Not Walker and Romney.

Giuliani says he stands by his comment and the media carps itself.

Romney says it was not intended to question Obama and the media carps itself.

[Threadkiller]

The court would not accept a photo as proof that the subject matter is of a "high resolution."

[Danube on iPad]

TK, my advice is to stop guessing about the rules of evidence.

[AliceH]

Sorry, TK - I misread that.

I can't seem to articulate my clever and nuanced explanation for this. Probably because I never learned how to diagram a sentence.

[Janet - I wish my family had a poncho]

Probably because I never learned how to diagram a sentence.

Hahaaahaha! Same here, Alice. I use these a lot to compensate - "...". :)

[Threadkiller]

So the photo would be accepted by the court as evidence to the quality of the print found on the actual certificate?

This seems contrary to what you just said.

[Threadkiller]

Alice, I am pleased nonetheless that you responded.

:-)

[Danube on iPad]

"Probably because I never learned how to diagram a sentence."

You'd enjoy it if you did. But I wouldn't know how to find someone who gives sentence-diagramming lessons these days.

[matt]

Obama is a dyed in the wool relativist. He simply does not understand the differences between doctrines of faith because he is also Marxist lite. The State is his altar of choice.

Attending Wright's church was a matter of street cred. Obama had to erase his first 25 years of privilege to morph into the educated community organizer who in fact, never organized anything. He is a mime and mimic.

Querida got to see Giuliani 10 days ago at a conference in Las Vegas where he was the keynote and even then, to an audience that was international, he lashed into Obama.

LUN to a Salon article ripping the NYT's servile propaganda machine. Even a blind dog finds a bone now and then.

[Threadkiller]

Was this the speech, Matt?

http://nation.foxnews.com/2015/02/19/watch-giuliani-destroys-obama-epic-speech-netanyahu-man-who-fights-his-people-unlike-our

[jimmyk]

The timing of Netanyahu's speech is apt, as it is right before Purim, the holiday that commemorates another time the Persians tried to kill all the Jews. I expect Bibi to make note of that.

I could almost think of Rudy as a Walker VP choice, in the mode of Dick Cheney, someone who will never be President, just will make lib heads explode. But he'll be 72 in 2016, probably a bit too old.

[Miss Marple]

Danube, I am an ace sentence diagrammer! My mother was an English teacher and the department head when I was in junior high. Everyone had to learn sentence diagramming.

Here is a good explanation:

http://drb.lifestreamcenter.net/Lessons/TS/diagram.htm

[Miss Marple]

More fun with numbers from the Obama administration:

The White House ‏@WhiteHouse 38m38 minutes ago

"9 in 10 American small businesses that use eBay as a platform to sell their products are exporters." —Obama: http://go.wh.gov/uV1K4F
View media 0 replies 19 retweets 21 favorites

OK, gang, I am a small business. Because I sell Hummels to a lady in Australia, I am an exporter.

He is counting me as one of those 9 out of 10, which I have to tell you, isn't going to reduce the balance of payments very much.

[narciso]

well it's a tricky thing, because Baptism is an outward sign of the inward transformation, but it does not save, Christianity is at the same time, a simple but exacting faith,

I found the Medici's speech, a themeless porridge, without flavor, which rambled as much as they said the Huntress did, he has less of an excuse, since unlike his brother, he has shown little inclination to challenge the current regime, at this time,

[rich@gmu]

Alice-

Janet's link to Wrechard goes a long way in explaining why the media goes off the rails whenever Obama's bio or background come up.

It doesn't help that the media can act like a bunch of 5 year olds going around making everyone else apologize so they can prop up their fantasies for a while longer.

[exdemocrat]

DoT - acording to the Washington Examiner article linked previously, you will need to add Byron York to your list of "loons."

[narciso]

the problem with Pat smith's piece, because rehashing PB Success, is the promotion of Volodya's propaganda,

[narciso]

York has decidedly curdled since his pieces in the Spectator two decades ago,

hence the carp storm,the Huntress has suffered for nearly 7 years,

[narciso]

Lupica goes full Costanza,

but that's just a day ending in y

http://hotair.com/headlines/archives/2015/02/22/this-giuliani-bid-for-relevance-is-pathetic/

[exdemocrat]

Janet - i haven't read his ;atest, yet, but the brilliant Frenandez nailed the Obama phenomenon as a cult of personality many years ago. He was right on the mark then and now.

I forget where I read the idea earlier today, but I too would advise Walker to respond to every ridiculous gotcha 'question' from the MSM by calling it our as such and using it to launch an attack on the reporter who asked it.

(Reporter: Is Obama a Christian?
Walker: As I don't know him persoanlly I wouldn't know but what strikes me as interesting and revealing about that question is that you - a reporter for a major MSM organ - are asking me. If you think the answer to that question important, why have you failed in your responsibility to properly resolve it in the, what, 9 years since Obama became an important public figure? Indeed, why are there still so many unknowns about this man etc etc?
- or something like that)

[AliceH]

I can't diagram a sentence, but I can flowchart a software program, graph an entity-relationship diagram, draft workflow and process flow diagrams, debug 6-dimensional arrays, and create and manage a detailed project plan from business proposal through design to test, implementation, and post-implementation.

Not too shabby for an English Major, I think.

[narciso]

now winning with Tiger blood:

http://www.latimes.com/world/europe/la-fg-bomb-ukraine-rally-kharkiv-20150222-story.html

[rich@gmu]

Posted by: exdemocrat | February 22, 2015 at 01:44 PM -

someone above linked the Powerline article above ...

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2015/02/is-barack-obama-now-or-has-he-ever-been-a-christian.php

[narciso]

now taking Harf seriously, (stay with me here) the scorched earth tactics emulating the Algerian eradicateurs, have probably made any civil society a tough go, however empowering groups like Harakat Hazm, who have shown jihadist sympathies in the past, will not do any good now,

[rich@gmu]

Janet linked it ... had a brain freeze there for a minute.

Thankfully it is warming up quite nicely here, only to cool back down during the week. At least the snow is melting.

[Miss Marple]

AliceH,

I hope you don't think I was bragging about sentence diagramming! The ONLY reason I can do it is because of my mother, who felt it was part of her old-timey way of teaching grammar.

I can't do any of the stuff you discussed above. I have trouble remembering commands on my PC!

[rich@gmu]

in re: the York piece. Isn't he just pointing out it is just another aspect of Obama that Obama himself confuses people about.

[Miss Marple]

rich,

That's how I took the York piece.

[daddy]

I know that Obama in that Stephanopoulos interview mistakenly said "My Muslim Faith" when he meant "My Christian Faith", so therefore I believe Obama is as much of a Christian as all the other individuals who have appeared on TV and Radio over the last 80 years and mistakenly said they were of the "Muslim Faith" when they really meant to say they were of the "Christian Faith."

I am confident that if we search the archives we will find hundreds if not thousands and maybe even millions of recorded examples of others who have made that easily understandable mistake.

[Stephanie De Nile is a river in Progtopia]

If you want to know the true state of the economy, check out nascar:

Another two years of Obama and they will race the Daytona 500 in front of totally empty stands. The entire top deck and about half the second deck are totally empty now. Attendance is down some 40% it appears.

Great economy ya got there Obama.

[Ignatz]

I was taught to diagram sentences in the same way I was taught to eat Brussel's sprouts;
both efforts engendered a lifelong hatred of either project.

[AliceH]

Oh, no worries, Miss Marple.

I clicked the link you provided (thanks!) and it looked very much like one of the process-flow design tools I've used. Pretty much a waste of time for 95% of processes, but really helpful for analysing or fixing or communicating the other 5%. I imagine that ratio might be similar to sentence diagramming, also. (I was taught parts of speech in school - it was the fishbone diagramming method that had me puzzled.)

[narciso]

'it's duck season' daddy.

[narciso]

that Baker doesn't know the previous AUMFs were revoked tells you something,

[rich@gmu]

simple mistake to make daddy ...

[daddy]

Nouns, verbs, adjectives.

All the rest is incomprehensible gobbledygook.

[daddy]

Obama wants to import Syrians to this country with no background checks or anything else, and there has been a direct threat to The Mall of America.

Since he obviously doesn't care about National Borders or Citizenship our National sovereignty, why doesn't Obama simply tell them to go to Mexico or China?

[rich@gmu]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17ocaZb-bGg

a classic ... pronoun trouble.

[Captain Hate]

that Baker doesn't know the previous AUMFs were revoked tells you something,

I was wondering about that and that nobody ventured to correct him. Honor among blabbermouths?

[narciso]

so among the tomes to avoid, the Swimmer by
a Swede, Joachim Zander, a tale full of sound and fury, signifying nothing told by an idiot'

[MarkO]

For the last two days I have been subjected to a raging case of the stomach flu. I advise against it.
This Fernandez piece vivisects Obama and helped me to clarify why it is that the media, including SNL and the others cannot possibly mock Obama. It also helps to explain why TK and others find the birth certificate and lies about Kenya to be important. You see, all Obama has is his Legend. Without it (Kenyan on the book flap/ Hawaiian on the PDF/), he is nothing. He has no experience, he’s just not that smart and, in fact, he’s a less than ordinary orator. But . . . the Legend.

You see, no policy failure, no gaffe, no “leading from behind” can affect a man whose rise to power is based only on his special personality and unique history. Even his gigantic foreign policy missteps are routinely overlooked and his favorable polling goes up. Why? The Legend. Those who question his history are shunned, shamed, mocked, ridiculed. All evidence contrary to the Legend is to be dismissed as irrelevant, inadmissible, heresy, and more.
READ THE WHOLE THING:

“What Giuliani had done was undermine Obama’s legitimacy. Because so much of Obama’s “power” comes from his special-ness that to question his patriotism is to strike at the basis for his governance. It was, as in a monarchy, tantamount to rebellion. The reason that similar remarks by Obama about George Bush’s patriotism evoked simple shrugs was because Bush was just an ordinary president, the latest in a line of politicians to occupy the office since George Washington.
But Obama is different. One cannot understand, for example, the vituperation vented by Dana Milbank at Scott Walker, calling him out for “cowardice”, arguing for his “disqualification” (yes those are the words) for the simple act of refusing to publicly repudiate Giuliani’s words about the president, unless one grasps this essential fact. Obama is different. The Obama phenomenon is founded so completely on his legend that to attack the legend is to undermine the very foundations of the tower on which he stands.”

Read more: http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2015/02/22/a-question-of-personality/#ixzz3SVJptcBs

[Jack is Back!]

Stephanie,

Daytona like a lot of NASCAR tracks are downsizing the seaing capacity. Daytona is undergoing a $400 million renovation "Daytona Rising" which is removing 46,000 seats. There are areas of the track where there are empty seats because it is under construction. I think even Atlanta is doing downsizing also.

[Rick Ballard]

"Attendance is down some 40% it appears."

Stephanie,

It's almost as if the savings on gas are being spent on higher deductibles and health care premia. Oh well, it's worth it, given the horrible obesity caused medical condition of the truly poor parasites.

[narciso]

sorry to hear that MarkO,

the top men seem to insist on this
'cunning, cunning' plan which rarely works,

[rse]

Finally sat up long enough to get a post up. The Diva gave me whatever virus is turning into sinus infections and bronchitis.

http://www.invisibleserfscollar.com/dwelling-in-a-void-of-unknowing-within-a-sculpted-narrative-designed-to-manipulate/ . It explains the education vision in that Larry Summers/Ctr for American Progress/Rock F funded Commission on Inclusive Prosperity that came out in January. No one is covering that either.

[narciso]

Will is still stuck on 2003, as if Afghanistan, 'the grave yard of empire' was going to be any easier?

[Stephanie De Nile is a river in Progtopia]

All are downsizing, JiB. Last year, there wasn't a single race that didn't have huge chunks of the stands empty and many camouflaged it with advert tarps. And it's been getting worse each year.

During Bush 43, those same stands were full and there was a healthy resale market for ticket scalpers.

Nascar isn't less popular. Nascar fans are middle class and are feeling the pinch. That is where the unemployed underemployed are most prevalent and it shows in their discretionary spending.

[narciso]

in the midst of Rothman's blanc mange:

Conservatives who truly believe Obama is some sort of Manchurian candidate or a covert Muslim are deeply misguided, and not one single serious figure within the party espouses those views. Most of those who do were effectively sidelined long ago. They subsist today on the attentions of the political press and increasingly self-marginalized institutions like CPAC. To imply that Walker was subtly channeling that pathology in conservatives is for the press to again declare themselves code breakers who can efficiently sniff out “dog whistles” better than even their intended recipients.

[Jack is Back!]

Back to Daytona. According to the hotel and restaurant people in Daytona, Voulsia and Flagler countries, attendance is up this year over the last few years. Not the same as 10 years ago but suppossedly this year is much better.

NASCAR does not publish race attendance figures. And according to the Daytona News Journal attendance at NASCAR events have been in decline for the last 10 years in every venue.

[narciso]

sorry to hear that rse,

the recommended daily amount of 'mind arson' reminds me in an odd way of that old trek episode 'Spock's Brain' although instead of gaining knowledge from the helmet, the wearer loses cognitive ability

[Jack is Back!]

test

[jimmyk]

Does someone have a source or link on the revocation of the previous AUMFs? I know Obama requested they be repealed. Lots of commentators have said he has relied and can continue to rely on them.

[Stephanie De Nile is a river in Progtopia]

not one single serious figure = GOPe.

The rest are just rubes who don't represent the party, right? Nice dissing of the voters... don't take the concerns of the voters seriously just dismiss them as unserious.

[narciso]

this is the way CNN describes it:

http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/11/politics/isis-aumf-white-house-congress/index.html

there's an imbedded link.

[narciso]

Baker is an Oberlin grad, and he was co Moscow bureau chief with the Post previously,

[clarice]

My husband and I learned diagramming and while I might have forgotten most of it, I'm sure by now it's just ingrained . I remember him pulling our the old Harbrace Handbook we kept and teaching it to our son,He was shocked to learn they were no longer teaching it in school.

[narciso]

can moran tell when axelrod is lying:

http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2015/02/22/axelrod-puzzled-about-confusion-over-obamas-beliefs/

[AliceH]

I'm now more confused.

Narc - your link@3:11 mentions 3 AUMFs: the 2001, the 2002, and the new one proposed by the WH (which will include sunsetting the 2002, but not the 2001).

So, right now, sounds like there are 2 AUMFs still active.

Is that right?