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February 09, 2015

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Some Guy

"There really is nothing on the modern scene that is odder than the left's strange romance with Islam."


What is wrong that statement? And how is it incompatible with the notion that perhaps all people who identify as muslim aren't or don't sympathize with ISIS (or other radicals).

In fact, wouldn't the above statement indicate that Appalled's comments are more nuanced than you are reading them, or giving them credit?

I would actually alter the statement a bit:

There really is nothing on the modern scene that is odder than the left's strange romance with the least enlightened or reform minded elements of Islam.

narciso

the fact is Team Hafter is the name of the game, this is why the administration burned the air support the UAE was delivering,

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/02/the-battle-for-libyas-oil/385285/?utm_source=SFTwitter

Ignatz

If God could love me He can love anyone, so of course I'd call 911 for Weedaveyboy.

Of course he's still going to hell....

NKvirusedand back

Actually I would call emergency services for DD. But it has fuck all to do with DD. A civilized person assists someone in need not because of the worth of that person, it is because they are in need and can't help themselves. For Christians, this is the parable of the Good Samaritan, charity must be given notwithstanding who or what the person is. The fact that DD is completely ignorant of the concept of charitable help is just about the most revealing thing from him. Again, he is an ignorant and pitiful thing.

Extraneus

So, according to Morning Joe, the Iraq war was "damning to the future of this country."

I think abandoning Iraq after the war was won was more damning to the future of this country.

Seriously, will a prominent Republican besides Dick Cheney ever have the stones to take this on? Allowing it to be stated as if it's a fact is just dumb.

Some Guy

Shoot! sorry

Extraneus

off

jimmyk

off

Some Guy

Thanks gentlemen.

jimmyk

I would call 911 for dd, but I would not give him mouth-to-mouth resuscitation.

Eric in Boise

I think abandoning Iraq after the war was won was more damning to the future of this country.

It didn't do a hell of a lot for Iraq's future, either.

NKvirusedand back

BTW, while I confess limited understanding of Koranic Law, the Good Samaritan parable is a key distinction between Christian belief and Islam. If the naked and bleeding victim is not muslim, he is not entitled to charity sas he is neither part of the Ummah, nor an invited guest. He's just some nonbeliever, ....so Inshallah Baby!!

narciso

this is why they forced McCrystal and Petraeus out, they moved Mattis out of the way as with Flynn, and replaced them with yes men, we know what worked for a time, at least, the counterinsurgency strategy, it tamed the tribes, and kept Malaki on a leash,

lyle

Just kidding duda. I'd call 911 in a heartbeat. Good news, though, it wouldn't be the EMT you'd normally expect, but the new, ACA-approved EMT: Zeke Emanual would be your first responder and Jonathan Gruber would be your driver. Lucky you!

narciso

the Razorback Borgia, got a lot of pelf from the HSBC scofflaws, re the Daily Mail

Frau Steingehirn

Obama sez:

"See? Those folks in that Paris deli were shot at random. Those folks could have been anybody. Any folks at all. There was no particular reason for these violent, vicious zealots — “whatever ideology they’re operating off of,” in Obama’s words — to kill those particular folks."

Janet sez, "That’s all, folks." and points out how much Looney Toons is going on in the head of our Existenialist-in-Chief. Even Porky Pig, however, will offer his resignation soon.

narciso

and this is who Axelrod is backing, use the magic eightball to figure how this turns out,

http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/election-postponed-nigeria

Jane

I'd make the call Dudu.

Appalled

lyle:

I think you are letting your assumptions of what you think I ought to be saying confuse you. So let's do a Q&A.

Are there moderate Muslims?

Yes. There are even moderate Muslims in the Middle East. Some get lit on fire for their pains, and some fight for their right to be Moderate.

Well, how many Moderate Muslims are there, really?

No earthly idea. Think we can get Raz to take a poll? I think, in the West, the true radicals are a smaller percentage than you think. But don't take my word for it. But look...

One thing to consider -- every time the media wants to mess with republicans, they always find some state senator from a rural state, and quote their tape recorded silliness as emblematic of what an average Republican really believes. Are you falling in the trap of doing the same with Islam?

But don't the Radicals (aka bloodthirsty psychopaths) have a better read on the Koran, and what Islam really is?

That is certainly the argument of Isis. In this case, I also admit I don't know, because I have not read the Koran and I have no interest in doing so. The one thing have noticed since I started taking an interest in the Middle east is that the countries over there can always find a Mullah to issue a fatwa that backs up whatever villainy (or decency) it is in their mind to endorse or condemn. And then, of course, there is the whole Shia Sunni thing.

So, it seems like Islam, if you are going to analyze it, is a whole lot more than just The Book.

So, is Isis really Islamic?

This would be a dumb question (it's not like they are calling themselves the Scientologist State), if the President were not so invested in asserting they are not. So, yes, Isis is Islamic. But that does not mean everyone is Islam is responsible for Isis being the way it is.

Janet

Frau, that was Jim Treacher's post from here -

http://dailycaller.com/2015/02/09/obama-that-kosher-deli-massacre-in-paris-was-purely-random/

"See? Those folks in that Paris deli were shot at random. Those folks could have been anybody. Any folks at all. There was no particular reason for these violent, vicious zealots — “whatever ideology they’re operating off of,” in Obama’s words — to kill those particular folks.

That’s all, folks.

But enough about that. Don’t you think it’s about time you people apologized for the Crusades?"

narciso

well except the seat of Islam, is the Kingdom, and the public faith of Islam does genuflect toward that branch of the faith, and they predominate in the overseas proselytizing of the faith,

lyle

Some more random violence:

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/02/french-artists-calls-for-peace-end-in-brutal-beating-by-local-muslims/

Irony is getting killed by the religion of peace.

lyle

I think you are letting your assumptions of what you think I ought to be saying confuse you.

I'm not confused and I'm officially done with you. Have a nice life.

henry

Appalled, yes that is what you've been saying all along. What you have not addressed is your surprise that the left (Dems/MSM) have fallen in love with Islam (without themselves distinguishing between moderate and radical Islam) while basic Islamic culture is at odds with western civilization, when the same left fell in love with communists (some of whom were less radical than Mao or Stalin, hence the high death counts and gulags / reeducation camps) which also is at odds with western civilization. This may be a clue that the left itself is at odds with the basic idea of western civilization (look at the recent trampling of due process in Ferguson or the college "rape" crisis).

narciso

lets put it plainly appalled, did anything you expected out of Obama, turn out to be true, and conversely were any of our reservations born out,

Jeff Dobbs

Ext:
Did he actually say "As a Christian..."?

Yes.

WARREN: We have 15 other questions here. Define marriage.

OBAMA: I believe that marriage is the union between a man and a woman. Now, for me as a Christian -- for me -- for me as a Christian, it is also a sacred union. God's in the mix. But --

Danube of Thought

It didn't do a hell of a lot for Iraq's future, either.

It made it, by 2011, safe, Stable and Democratic, according to Obama. Then he pulled out all U.S. forces, for no apparent reason, and the rest is history.

narciso

there is somewhat of a parallel, to what happened in Afghanistan the first time around, even though Massoud won most of the battles, the ISI and General Intelligence,
provided most of the funds to their proxies, and they came out on top,

Eric in Boise

I was referring to the pullout, DoT. Sorry I wasn't clear.

Dave (in MA)

hit and run | February 10, 2015 at 01:24 PM, that was what his handlers had him memorize at the time.
A little over 3.5 years later, they came up with a different playbook.

narciso

some context on last night's interview

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2015/02/cotton-on-gitmo-take-3.php

Frau Steingehirn

Did O call her Angela to shoe close ties, to diminish her because he's a misogynist or because he's a clod? There can be more than one answer.

I'd choose a) and c) and add because he feels he's a celebrity and shows it by intimacy with other celebrities--sports, entertainment, politics.

He labels himself one of the elite crowd and makes sure we know it. Obama would be insulted if I addressed him as anything but "Mr. President." Returning to private life should render him and other out-of-work politicians as Mister (fill in blank).
Pfui!

lyle
Now, for me as a Christian -- for me -- for me as a Christian, it is also a sacred union. God's in the mix. But --

Note the stumble describing himself as a Christian.

narciso

heck of a job, Medici:

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-02-10/jeb-bush-pitches-himself-as-emailer-in-chief

Miss Marple

narciso,

For someone who is supposedly tech-savvy, he didn't use Twitter much.

Appalled

narciso:

He did some things I expected, some things I wanted, and a lot of things I did not want. I was ready for him to leave when he decided he would create Obamacare, rather than deal with the banking system when he had his big majority.

I think the complete disregard of civil rights under this administration was a very unpleasant surprise. Also, the way he has expanded Presidential power is something we are all really going to pay for.

Rick Ballard

The Soviet Union regarded Africans (irrespective of location), Arabs and the Indians of South and Central America as particularly fertile soil. Today's progressive fascists use the same old hymnal and sing the same old songs because they have the same 'ole vision as Uncle Joe.

I rarely comment on music or Thugs on Drugs topics due to lack of personal interest in acquiring the information required to make an informed comment. IOW - my commenting on those subjects would add nothing.

daddy

I am listening to Rush's opening, talking about how the President has just told us that Terrorism is essentially a myth scaring the Public, that the Media has been irresponsibly hyping for ratings, because in Journalism "If it bleeds, it leads."

If that was true and there is no terrorism to worry about I wonder then why just yesterday morning we got this official notice from the TSA about a new Anti-Terrorism program instituted for Air Cargo Ops---The TSA has released the updated Full All Cargo Aircraft Operator Standard Security Program (FACAOSSP) which will go into effect on February 16, 2015.

It's a long drawn out directive mandating that we do stuff like this and then document it for each and every flight:

A significant change to this security program directs aircraft operators to develop, document, and maintain aircraft security search checklists for flights that we operate.
Operators will be required to document completion of their respective security checks. Aircrews will have to sign-off on an acknowledgment of required security checks for each flight.

It mandates doing stuff like the following and documenting it:

Conduct a thorough physical search of the empty interior of the aircraft including:
Overhead bins (if available)
Closets (if available)
Storage bins (if available)
Lavatories, to include compartments and access panels within the lavatories and area adjacent to or accessible from those access panels and compartments where prohibited items may be concealed
Under/within seats and cushions
Galleys
Trash receptacles
Seat back (to include: inserts, seat pockets and tray table area)
Tray storage compartments in arm rests
Any and all other accessible compartments in the aircraft cabin and flight deck which do not require a special tool to open
Conduct a visual inspection of accessible exterior compartments of the aircraft that are reachable from the ground without ground equipment and that do not require a special tool to open
Inspect all accessible exterior compartments of the aircraft for items that do not belong
The search will also include Tail Specific Parts (TSP) compartments
Life Vest
If life vest is sealed, visual inspection is the only thing required
Remove life vests from compartment and search compartment
Visually inspect for tampering

There is other stuff involved, but you get the gist from the above. My simple question is why are we having to comply with this massive new TSA Anti-Terrorism Program if there is no Terrorism going on?

exdemocrat

Appalled:
"For the record, I have questioned whether D. Dave is a true lefty, ..."
"For the record, I have questioned whether any evil Muslim is a true muslim, ..."

Denial? Active deflection? I will make my own judgment thanks all the same Some Guy.

jimmyk

God's in the mix.

"In the mix"? Just one of many considerations, I guess.

When he said "As a Christian," what he meant was "[When I pose] as a Christian...."

Miss Marple

daddy,

Excellent question. I sure would like to know what information they got which led them to institute this protocol.

Be careful!

narciso

did he run on reforming the banking system, no that was an oversight, in point of fact
that was the reason the banks gave him the bulk of his pelf, they didn't like McCain who had pushed the reforms that would have prevented the crisis,

Some Guy

Well put henry.

And that in a nutshell is why I had gone from thinking that the Left just represents a 'different point of view' or 'the other side of the coin' or 'honest disagreement'.

If you engage in debate with the Left for any amount of time, you'll eventually discover that they don't actually believe in anything they claim to care about. It's all situational ethics, and shifting intellectual foundations, anything and everything in the pursuit of the power.

It's why they heart oppressors, and why they lionize brutal thugs like Che -- it's what they want to be when they grow up.

Miss Marple

Regarding the "God's in the mix" statement, I assume that is his way of describing the presence of the Holy Spirit in the marriage, which he obviously didn't understand.

I can see his stammering while thinking "Wait, there's something else Wright told me to say, what was it...oh, yeah God is in the mix!"

narciso

occasionally Carlos Slim's has interesting contributions, almost in spite of themselves

http://ukigoni.com/

Frau Steingehirn

"He told viewers: “I’m hopeful when the madness – when the fury dies down and the decision is made to judge what Brian Williams’ future should be, that that decision will be based on the entirety of his career and not on one or two or three mistakes.”

Only applies to leftists...and paving the way to for Hillary!

Appalled

ExDem:

"For the record, I have questioned whether any evil Muslim is a true muslim, ..."

Are you representing this is something I said, or are you imagining this is something I would say because..Liberal.

exdemocrat

"I think the complete disregard of civil rights under this administration was a very unpleasant surprise. Also, the way he has expanded Presidential power is something we are all really going to pay for."

Perhaps you should consider your foolish naivety wrt the way Obama's admin would behave with your current foolish optimism wrt Islam?

Nah - better to keep telling yourself that what is isn't and what isn't is. And that you are the sensible voice of balance here.

narciso

one fraud to another:


http://babalublog.com/2015/02/10/spilling-the-beans-on-quemando-arturo-lopez-callejas-artie-levy-to-you-at-the-blaze/

James D.

I think the complete disregard of civil rights under this administration was a very unpleasant surprise. Also, the way he has expanded Presidential power is something we are all really going to pay for.

Appalled, I ask this in complete seriousness. Why was/is Obama's disregard for civil liberties a surprise? What in his background, or the recent track record of his party on those issues led you to expect anything different than what we've seen?

James D.

There is other stuff involved, but you get the gist from the above. My simple question is why are we having to comply with this massive new TSA Anti-Terrorism Program if there is no Terrorism going on?

Am excellent question that I'm sure none of our trustworthy, dedicated, inquisitive MSM journalists will be posing to Obama or his spokesliar anytime soon.

exdemocrat

Do you consider ISIS members to be 'true Muslims' or not? Yes or no?

rich@gmu

Posted by: Appalled | February 10, 2015 at 10:43 AM

really Appalled?

Some Guy

"Appalled:
"For the record, I have questioned whether D. Dave is a true lefty, ..."
"For the record, I have questioned whether any evil Muslim is a true muslim, ..."


Come on exdemocrat, that's some pretty weak tea.

DD quite likely isn't a true lefty, in my observation he is a paid political pro and would more likely go to the highest bidder than the ideologically pure.

The latter statement is understandable, but also a bit thorny intellectually. I can empathize with the statement, because I would have zero difficulty saying something with conviction which would seem synonymous such as, "Fred Phelps isn't a true Christian."

If one can believe that statement about Phelps, it is easy to similarly believe Appalled's statement.

However, where it gets thorny, is the Koran and the origins of Islam itself. To put it overly simply, it all appears to be more humanly inspired (with all the foibles of human nature) than divinely so. Therefore one can emphasize those foibles of human nature and do great evil while maintaining that one is a faithful adherent.

Appalled

Do you consider ISIS members to be 'true Muslims' or not? Yes or no?

Certainly they are true Muslims.Their murderous ways does not make them "more" Muslim, but I don't see that it makes them less Muslim, either.

lyle

You're wasting your time, alas, exdem, trying to get something coherent from Appalled re Islam. But she does appear quite limber.

exdemocrat

How about the Left's romance with other totalitarian thugs (Chavez, Mugabe, Che, etc ad nauseum)?, or the Let's romance with gangbangers? Or the let's romance with impingement on free speech?
Nothing odd there.

exdemocrat

"Weak tea"?? Don't ever challenge an (ex) Englishman regarding tea...

rich@gmu

take the biggest issues ... the Soviet Union expended huge sums of money and time in creating the Palestinian issue-the PLO being a wholly owned subsidiary of the KGB (and they used them to pioneer and prefect airline hijackings). The Soviets expended huge sums of money and manpower in Iraq and Yemen. They also created so called Islamic partisan groups in Afghanistan. The left's embrace of Islam is an old romance rekindled.

Buckeye

Daddy. At least they want to be sure your life vest hasn't been tampered with:)

exdemocrat

And really - you don't know that the views expressed by DD are commonly expressed by hordes of Profs in our society?? Trust me, they are.

exdemocrat

*progs* (though autocorrect makes a point too ;-))

Buckeye

Of course these mandated inspections aren't going to increase commercial ticket prices one thin dime.

Some Guy

I'm in lousy mood so forgive my argumentative tone.

The point I'd like to make is that Appalled is the type of individual who we should be trying to win over, rather than drive away.

Perhaps because I live in a deep blue hell, and am surrounded by Prius and Telsa driving idiots who not only voted for Obama, but still don't have any regret or remorse; I see more value in someone trying to engage rather than run to MSNBC and have their bias confirmed.

exdemocrat

.. And re Islam, your caveat buries the lede.

Jack is Back

daddy,

The reason for the new TSA directives is that they need you to help find this woman: Marylyn Hartman, serial stowaway. She is currently in Jacksonville hoosegow.

http://www.wokv.com/news/news/local/Serial-stowaway-makes-court-appearance-Nassau/nj7rm/

Not her first time and is in fact banned from a number of airports for doing the same thing numerous times.

Feel safe now?

narciso

the Mitrokhin files cover part of that, specially the second volume, battle for the world. most of those outfits were nominally more nationalist, like Habbash, and Ahmed Jibril who is on the side of the Syrian regime, the Russians had something to do with the formation of the Chechen resistance like Basayev, but they have been
slightly more antiIslamist on balance,

jimmyk

his way of describing the presence of the Holy Spirit in the marriage

You are generous, Miss M. Seems to me he meant God as just one of many competing considerations. I can't imagine he had any such deeply religious ideas.

exdemocrat

Apology accepted and reciprocated, SG. However, as one who shares your environmental situation, I am sick to death of pandering to the criminally fallacious noise that surrounds me; I for one am "mad as hell and not gonna take it anymore."

Frau Steingehirn

James D. - so many voters on all sides bought the lie that Obama would bring transparency to government, all bills would be posted for at least five days before voting etc. etc. etc. etc.
People wanted to believe and many have seen the error of "their willing suspension of disbelief." The problem was the man had no record by which to judge him. Any slight warts--secrecy of personal records,Rev. Wright and Michelle's initial public animus-were quickly excused. Now his deeds speak loudly.

rich@gmu

or I could have just read the rest of the thread ...

Miss Marple

jimmyk,

I wasn't being charitable. I think he had a cram course on what to say with Wright, stumbled around trying to remember it, and garbled the answer.

I don't think he believed any of it. It was just a cynical recitation of what he thought the rubes wanted to hear.

lyle

For duda.

http://pjmedia.com/michaelwalsh/2015/02/10/the-skull-beneath-the-skin-of-the-affordable-care-act/

For everyone else, don't click this if you're already mad as hell...

Frau Steingehirn

exdem - I'm waiting for Gloria Steinem and the Pink Sluts to come out protesting the treatment of women in the ME instead of American colleges. The silence is painful.

"Death with my morning tea" could end up as one of Obama's post-presidential poetic endeavors when he has time to relax *more* and the work's all done this fall...Oops, got a little excited about the tenure's being over for Pres. Existential Threat.

jimmyk

And in case there was any question about what Obama meant when he talked about the Paris kosher deli shootings being "random," Josh Earnest removes all doubt:

Karl: They weren't killed because they were in a Jewish deli, though, a kosher deli?

Earnest: They were not targeted by name. That was the point.

Karl: Not by name but by religion, were they not?

Earnest: Well, John, there were people other than just Jews who were in that deli.

Karl: That deli was attacked because it was a kosher deli?

Earnest: No, John. I answered the question once.

Really appalling.

narciso

if it's something he really believes in, the convo on vox, and the prayer breakfasts shows no hesitation, no matter how clockwork orange it is to us,

Threadkiller

The point I'd like to make is that Appalled is the type of individual who we should be trying to win over, rather than drive away.

"We" already have our hands tied trying to define "we."

Are all people who wish to have the eligibility requirements for POTUS adjudicated considered radical-birthers?

Maybe we should try winning over the non-radical ones.

jimmyk

And Jen Psaki doubles down on the stupid about the "randomness" of the kosher market killings:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDF-oN3B1PA

Incidentally, though there seemed to be some confusion on the point, though there was at least one non-Jew in the store (the guy from Mali), all four victims were Jewish.

Threadkiller

Jimmy, remember this:

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-blumer/2012/07/28/carney-wh-web-site-wont-admit-what-law-dictates-jerusalem-israels-capita

Frau Steingehirn

Don't I wish:
"Gloria Steinem and the Pink Sluts" bomb on their farewell tour.

daddy

Good point by a caller to Rush but El-Rushbo swung and missed.

Caller said that at the Grammy's there was big praise of the New Movie, 50 Shades of Gray, where the young woman is treated sad0-masachistically by some older guy, and the Grammy folks were all gaga about it, but at the same time they are putting out a PSA harping on how awful it is to do sexual assaults. Caller said that was rank hypocrisy.

El-Rushbo said the difference was that the PSA was put out aimed at us in the Public, not at the Grammy types.

Rare to see such a poor swing from the Host of EIB, but it happens.

Looks like now he is still on the topic after the break, and maybe he realized he whiffed on the initial pitch, so he's coming back to the plate for another swing.

Ignatz

--But that does not mean everyone is Islam is responsible for Isis being the way it is.--

Of course not. Not every German or Japanese was a Nazi or a Shinto adherent, but we still had to utterly defeat the entire country and ideology to make the world safe from them.
In what way is islam any different?

Ignatz

--Janet sez, "That’s all, folks." and points out how much Looney Toons is going on in the head of our Existenialist-in-Chief. Even Porky Pig, however, will offer his resignation soon.--

--Now, for me as a Christian -- for me -- for me as a Christian--

Sounds to me like the Existentialist in Chief is Porky Pig.

Appalled

Ignatz:

You are talking of defeating 25% of the world, and stripping their belief system from them (if you really mean "Islam"). Germany and Japan was a bit more manageable, and we had allies in the fight.

There is a point where you sacrifice too much of yourself in the quest for absolute safety. I honestly believe you and NK would take our country that direction.

Threadkiller

In what way is islam any different?

There was no moderate Nazi and Shinto belief systems that followed the same rulebook?

narciso

well maybe 10% assuming 40% of that number, that's the proportion in the ummah in Europe

Eric in Boise

Side one of Death With My Morning Tea, by Gloria and the Pink Sluts:

1. Existential Threat 4:21
2. Carry That Mattress 3:19
3. New UVA Shriek 6:13
4. Skull Beneath my Skin 3:55
5. Random Kosher Deli Stomp 8:05

Certified double platinum! Pick it up wherever indie records are sold.

Threadkiller

Sacrificing this country for the safety of the earth's temperature is good, sacrificing this country for the safety of the earth not so much.

Danube on iPad

For the record, I have questioned whether any Scotsman is a true Scotsman.

Appalled

TK:

If you can find the post where I prattle on about the horrors of global warming, I'll take your point.

Threadkiller

I am following the guidance of Obama.

lyle

4. Skull Beneath my Skin 3:55

Great beat and easy to dance to.

narciso

just some random firebombing:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/02/09/german-court-rules-synagogue-firebombing-an-act-of-protest.html


lyle

Great thing about prattling. One doesn't have to do much of it when the guys one votes for do it for you.

lyle

Per the NYT:

In a sense, Islam is as American as the rodeo. It, too, was imported, but is now undeniably part of the culture. Whether or not protesters in Texas and elsewhere are ready for it, it is inevitable that some Muslims will let their babies grow up to be cowboys. A few cowboys may grow up to be Muslims as well.

They'll be goat-ropers, natch.

matt

They found Michael Moore in Cardiff, Wales.

LUN

Ignatz

--You are talking of defeating 25% of the world, and stripping their belief system from them...--

No, I'm talking about defeating that portion of the 25% who wish to actively harm us and those who support them. Nor do we need to strip them of their belief system. We simply need to decisively destroy the version which is expansionary and aggressive.
There are still neo Nazi's and ultra nationalist Japanese, but they are relegated, for now, to the periphery because their forefathers were decisively smashed.
Islam will likely never be relegated to that status but it can and has previously been sufficiently chastened to leave the west alone.
That chastening has worn off and needs to be reapplied. If it isn't we will be facing an existential threat down the line; in the words of George Zimmer, I guarantee it.

exdemocrat

IG "Not every German or Japanese was a Nazi or a Shinto adherent, ..."

To be accurate, the analogy is not whether every German was a Nazi, or every Japanese was a Shinto, it is whether every Nazi was a 'radical Nazi' or every Shinto a 'radical Shinto.'

This is of utmost importance, apparently, because it would be unforgivable for us to trouble those 'moderate' Nazis with guilt for tge Holocaust or the Batran Death March.

Especially given your and my personal responsibility for things done hundreds of years before we were born.

Or something.

Threadkiller

Islam is an imported spectator event like the Rodeo

The only difference is the Rodeo contest waits for the timer to score a win, the Muslim wears the timer.

Ignatz

--There was no moderate Nazi and Shinto belief systems that followed the same rulebook?--

I meant in what way should our response be any different.

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