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March 27, 2015

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GMax

Ding dong the witch is DEAD!

GMax

OH And BTW, FIRST!!!!

Beasts of England

I made my pithy Harry Reid comment on the prior thread. And now I'm not even first. Heck of a way to start a cold Friday. I haz a sad.

GMax

Not even Avis position. Do try harder.

Beasts of England

It's Rent-a-Wreck all the way down...

jimmyk on iPad

What does the JOM style guide say about declaring "First" in the second post? Not sure that qualifies. You have to take the risk on the first one.

Threadkiller

First

Sue

Not first.

Sue

We still have several months of Reid before he leaves. But the good news is he is leaving.

henry

Yeah, 16 more months of Reid Unleashed! (Similar to Obama Unleashed!, but only the eye is black).

Jeff Dobbs

I could have so much fun unpublishing, editing and generally messing with comments. And i am just immature enough to do it.

But i don't dare try it even once. If i did, i would never stop.

[TheVIMH: but how do people know that you aren't already messing with the comments]
You're not helping.

Captain Hate on the iPad

I've been waiting for the day when that wheezing Les Nessman look alike, reeking of cat piss and mildew, totters his dowager's hump away from the limelight and hopefully for the remainder of his miserable life unsuccessfully fights corruption charges about which our trash MFM shows a typical lack of interest.

Threadkiller

Martha MacCallum interviewed an aviation expert on the possibilities of European flight crews changing their cockpit rules to mandate two persons on the same side of the locked door at all times.

After a spirited debate the expert concluded that two people in the cockpit won't prevent a nutjob from bringing the plane down. As an example he pointed to the co-pilot of MH370.

He spoke as though it was settled that the Malaysian plane was brought down by choice. Martha* did not ask a follow-up.

*to her credit she is sporting a scarf that possibly hides some hickeys or choke bruises from a rough night in the sack.

DebinNC

I bet LDS honchos are breathing a sigh of relief at this news.

GMax

Style guide = badges

And as you all know, "We don't need no stinkin' badges..."

Claiming I was not first, does not make it so. Read it and weep my friends...

Dave (in MA)

Good reiddance.

Beasts of England

72 gallons of marine gas: $277
Summerizing the boat: $225
Boat wash and detail: $175

Outside temperature: 41 degrees

pagar

IMO, the USA will never recover from the damage caused by Harry Reid.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/03/26/harry-reid-pressured-dhs-to-expedite-115-million-foreign-investors-eb-5-visa-deal-critical-to-sons-casino-client/

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=2282

Jim Eagle

A lot of Euro airlines have changed their policy to the US rule on 2 in the cockpit at all times as a result of the crash. Sure, that doesn't dsicount a crazy person somehow overpowering the surrogate but it does make is less likely for a GermanWings incident.

And that is mere speculation regarding MH370.

MarkO

I shall say I am first, like Obama says we are winning in Libya, and many will believe me.

Reid is part of the most vile gang of politicians in my lifetime.

GMax

Nobody believes him and even less believe you as JOM use their own eyes...

Jim Eagle

Mean't to say that the Egypt Air had two in the cockpit but the copilot could not restart the engines that the relief pilot had shutdown.

Janet

It would be interesting to see a list of all the Dem.termites that got off the stage after inflicting their ruin on America...
Barney Frank, Reid, Hillary Clinton,...

There was a whole bunch that retired after Obamacare was passed too, I think.

Our Rep. Jim Moran retired..I wonder what he's doing? I think times got tougher for him after Murtha died.

Allen was vilified for saying macaca...but the Dems can burn down the country & nobody in the MFM care.

Janet

Reid is part of the most vile gang of politicians in my lifetime.

Amen.

Centralcal on iPad

MarkO:
Reid is part of the most vile gang of politicians in my lifetime.

---------

More vile is waiting in the wings. Shumer, Durbin, Warren (yes, there is a bandwagon wanting her to climb aboard).

clarice

Before I realized that Hit was on uppers today, I posted this on the Allah thread:
From Omri Ceren, The Israel Project:
Good morning from Lausanne. Secretary Kerry and FM Zarif started off the second day in a row with a 10:00am meeting (technically 10:08am), which again including US Energy Secretary Moniz and Iranian Atomic Energy Organization chief Salehi. Presumably the rumor mill will pick up around lunch time again, but in the meantime all the overnight action was in DC. Lawmakers on both sides of the aisle and in both chambers processed yesterday's WSJ and AP scoops - describing US collapses on PMDs and Fordow respectively - and moved quickly (and in the Senate's case, unanimously) to register their opposition.

The concession on PMDs would push back demands that Iran fully disclose its nuclear activities from the beginning of a deal to a time after the sanctions regime had been weakened. Critics say the arrangement would enable the Iranians to simply say no ('if they're denying the IAEA access to facilities now, with sanctions in place, why wouldn't they do the same thing later, when there are fewer sanctions?') The concession on Fordow would allow Iran to keep spinning centrifuges at its underground military bunker at Fordow on elements other than uranium. Critics say that the arrangement would allow the Iranians to develop N-generation centrifuges even if they're not cheating, and give them the option of kicking out inspectors and repurposing the centrifuges for uranium enrichment in the facility, which is largely impervious to air attack.

[Before running down what happened on the Hill: if you're writing about the Fordow concession, check the bottom of this email for a quick note on terminology. It might save you a call or email demanding a correction. It's very important to the White House that this concession not be characterized as enrichment and not be characterized as nuclear research & development, even though isotope separation will be happening in a way that allows the Iranians to research & develop centrifuge technology that could be used on uranium*].

Now the political backlash.

(1) House: the House had already asserted itself on the eve of talks. On Monday 367 members - a bipartisan, veto-proof majority - sent the White House a letter saying among other things that "Congress must be convinced that its terms foreclose any pathway to a bomb, and only then will Congress be able to consider permanent sanctions relief." At that point the reactions kind of write themselves, but if you need something to link to, Boehner's "not a good deal" tweet was up within an hour: https://twitter.com/SpeakerBoehner/status/581140844863983618

(2) Senate: in the Senate the aftermath had similar statements, but action went way beyond that. If you're looking for a statement that's on-point to the Fordow concession you'll want Menendez ("we are not inching closer to Iran’s negotiating position, but leaping toward it with both feet... not a good deal"; http://www.foreign.senate.gov/press/ranking/release/senator-menendez-reacts-to-associated-press-report-on-allowing-iran-to-operate-centrifuges-at-fordow).

But the more dramatic move was a 100-0 vote - just before 6:30pm ET - on Kirk's amendment to reimpose sanctions on the Iranians if they get caught cheating on a deal. The nonbinding language is grounded in a section on violations written into the Kirk-Menendez legislation, which more broadly increases pressure on Iran if they fail to sign on to a deal that puts their atomic program beyond use for weaponization. The effect of the vote was to put the entire Senate on record supporting the principles of Kirk-Menendez, and AFP quickly moved to describe the vote as "US Senate threatens Iran with new sanctions" (article pasted at the bottom). Note that just a few days ago Democrats had been blocking the measure (http://freebeacon.com/national-security/senate-dems-blocking-new-iran-sanctions-measure/). Yesterday the entire caucus voted for it.

* Note on terminology if you're publishing about the Fordow cave-in and don't want to demands for corrections. The AP scoop is that the Iranians will be allowed to keep spinning centrifuges at the bunker as long as they're spinning zinc, xenon, germanium, etc, but not uranium. Here's the tangle. When centrifuges are used for isotope separation of uranium the process is uncontroversially labeled "nuclear enrichment." But if you describe the process running on germanium as "enrichment" - which is what it is - you'll get a call or email. Similarly, when centrifuges are spinning uranium, it's uncontroversial to call the devices "nuclear centrifuges." But if you describe devices which could be repurposed to spin uranium but aren't doing so at the time as "nuclear centrifuges" - which is what they are - you'll get you a call. Again, the administration seems set on ensuring that this concession not be characterized as enrichment and not be characterized as allowing nuclear research & development, even though the Iranians will be permitted to conduct isotope separation in a way that allows them to research & develop N-generation centrifuge technology that could be used on uranium

Ben

Good riddance. Casper Milaquetoast is a relic from the bygone years of comity and mutual respect. Pitbulls with lockjaw need to be met with the requsite boodlust.

Jeff Dobbs

clarice:
Before I realized that Hit was on uppers today

In fairness (to me) I posted the last thread yesterday around 6pm and then this one thread today.

"I have not yet begun to fight let the uppers dictate the pace of my posting!"
--stuff the bassist of Led Zeppelin (almost) said

Now, where did I put down my fourth cup of coffee?

Threadkiller

And that is mere speculation regarding MH370.

Agreed. I was curious why Masochist Martha didn't challenge him.

jimmyk

Egypt Air had two in the cockpit

JiB, according to this, the captain of the Egypt Air flight had left the cockpit.

http://news.aviation-safety.net/2015/03/26/list-of-aircraft-accidents-and-incidents-deliberately-caused-by-pilots/

The same is true for the LAM flight in 2013. They don't know for sure about SilkAir, but think it might have happened when one of the pilots had left.

Captain Hate on the iPad

Hmmm, Dame Peggy doesn't seem to like Ted Cruz. I seem to have misplaced my shocked face...

exdemocrat

The captain is banging on the locked door, Clarice (or is it the first class passengers?)

DebinNC

Sounds like Dems are simply insisting that Kerry produce meaningless, toothless words (see Stupak Amendment)which BOzo will sign and they'll support.

GMax

Oh and BTW the Senate has passed a budget that lops off $5.1 T in spending AND repeals Obamacare. Its not identical to the budget the House passed, but will be reconciled by the two Houses in conference committee. This is known as regular order, something Harry Reid has not used in over six years of his tenure. Not a damn thing Zero can do about it either. And Americans by a wide margin support spending cuts. WIN WIN WIN.

PD

Can we get notes from doctors that those in the Obama Administration are unfit for duty since they are "idea logically challenged"? Really no shame in admitting that they have a problem and seeking help for it.

Threadkiller

More info on work visa treachery
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=U3WCOCcCW2c

jimmyk

Really no shame in admitting that they have a problem and seeking help for it.

The ADA might require reasonable accommodations for this disability.

Jane

Good reiddance.

Ditto!

PD

"The ADA might require reasonable accommodations for this disability."

Leavenworth? Those would be reasonable accommodations for those involved.

daddy on iPad

Buckeye
JiB

Do US airlines perform psych exams on their pilots?

Posted by: Buckeye | March 27, 2015 at 08:30 AM


When I did my interviewing for the airlines back in 1989 timeframe I had to do a Minnesota Multiphasic Test at every interview, and later I have a vague recollection of talking to a shrink interviewer at a couple of the interviews. The Minnesota Multiphasic had normal questions interspersed with odd questions, like "I like to drive" followed by "I often hear voices in my head", and you would have to fill in the circle for yes or no.

I was hired by Northwest, US Air, TWA, and FEDEX. American Airlines never called me back. I prefer to think I was rejected by American Airlines because I had listed that somebody in my lineage had died of cancer, but perhaps it was because I was crazy.

I do recall that for American Airlines I had to drop a turd and seal it in some sort of plastic pouch and ship it to them for analysis as part of their Physical Testing process. I don't recall anyone else demanding I mail in a turd as part of the process, so it is also possible I was shot down from American Airlines because of a poop instead of for being crazy. Shit happens:)


GMax

A commenter at Insty in light of the Reid retirement due to exercise bands. Worth stealing with attribution of course:

I say we all pitch in and buy Obama a Bowflex.

Mahon

So, no Harry Reid, no Barbara Boxer, no Barbara Mikulsky (sp?). Now we just need to get Brian Sandoval, Condoleeza Rice, and Ben Carson to run for those seats. Dems thought they would take back the Senate in 2016. Maybe not.

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

Did you accidentally send them a bag of bat-shit?

clarice

Maybe the turd drop was part of the psych test.

Beasts of England

The First Muslim was in Birmingham yesterday talking about 'middle class economics'. He delivered a rant against payday lenders - he actually called them financial advisors! Damn, he's pretty f*cking funny for a retard!

And does Hussein really think people go to payday lenders because it's convenient or something? No, they go to those places because they have piss-poor credit and Wells Fargo can't bank them for any reason whatsoever...

MarkO

daddy,

If you actually sent them a bag full of shit, they knew you were crazy. A fine test, if you ask me.

Janet

If you actually sent them a bag full of shit, they knew you were crazy. A fine test, if you ask me.

Hah! Let's see if he'll do THIS! Hahahaa!

THis is funny too, GMax - I say we all pitch in and buy Obama a Bowflex.

Jane

" WIN WIN WIN."

Does it require Obama's signature?

jimmyk

And does Hussein really think people go to payday lenders because it's convenient or something?

The studies I've seen say that the next best alternative to a payday loan is a pawn shop. After that I presume it's a loan shark.

Old Lurker

Yes jane. Then Congress can override the veto or shut the government down. We have seen the movie.

henry

A Chicago crony model primer that gave us Obama, Durbin, etc. Milwaukee is similar (both city and county), which is part of why they hate Walker so much for reducing their opportunities for graft.

Porchlight

Dems thought they would take back the Senate in 2016. Maybe not.

If there were any chance of the Dems taking back the Senate, none of those three would have given up the chance to be in the majority - especially the guy who would be back in the head honcho seat.

daddy on iPad

A lot of Euro airlines have changed their policy to the US rule on 2 in the cockpit at all times as a result of the crash.

Just for clarity, no such rule exists for US Cargo carriers. For me that's one of the great benefits of the Cargo side of the house--- you can go back and use the head anytime, and not have to impose on the duties of the flight attendants to go through the drill of taking time out to block the door.

If I was a Passenger guy I'd be hardly ever drinking water or coffee, because I wouldn't want to be imposing on everyone by constantly going back to the head, but being Cargo, I constantly drink all the water or coffee I want and stay well lubricated, knowing I can hit the head anytime I want.

pagar

The end draws near!

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/03/fortune-names-ferguson-riot-leaders-in-list-of-worlds-greatest-leaders/

The riot leaders should be in jail, IMO.
While riots were going on in Ferguson-----

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2015/03/26/four_black_cops_killed_in_seven_days_--_wheres_the_outrage_126049.html

Robert Wilson III -LUN
leaves 2 children
In fact, I believe all the officers left children behind.

In 3 out the four cases listed there the killer is known and there are common links to their deaths.

NKvirusedandback

Daddy@11:09-- well that's a relief knowing that.

NKvirusedandback

PS Daddy-- are you familiar with the '94 FedEx DC-10 flight deck invasion by the pilot/flight engineer who expected to be fired?

Porchlight

Some people go to payday lenders for check cashing services b/c they can't or won't bank elsewhere (besides credit problems, there is still lots of superstition about banks in low-income communities). But the payday loans themselves are cash advances for the otherwise desperate.

Going to these places and talking about these subjects is from hunger. He has long avoided the middle class but this is pretty sad.

DebinNC

Yesterday BOzo used the example of people resorting to payday loans to pay burial expenses for granny suddenly dying. I wonder if "grand send-offs" are more prevalent in indigent communities than middle class ones? I've left instructions to be buried holding a "If you're reading this my husband lied" sign, i.e no post-death "viewing" allowed.

Beasts of England

I'm with you, jimmyk. A pawn shop is their only real alternative. Of course, Barky could soften the Federal lending regulations or just demand that the Bank of Americas lend anyone who walks in the door up to $250 at 4.0%.

What could go wrong? Why do bankers hate poor people?

pagar

Dems thought they would take back the Senate in 2016. Maybe not.

http://news.yahoo.com/exclusive-upset-warren-u-banks-debate-halting-campaign-050636031--sector.html

daddy on iPad

Reid is part of the most vile gang of politicians in my lifetime.

Yep. I can't do search and paste from my iPad, but it is easy to pull up via Google a speech by Harry Reid on the Senate Floor 20 years back, saying that any country that was stupid enough to allow illegal aliens to cross the border and be rewarded with benefits for that criminal act was a country that was insane. 20 years later he has been totally complicit in helping Obama achieve that Insanity, while at the same time damning anyone who has stated the same opinion he voiced 20 years prior.

He is indeed a political whore.

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

--Yesterday BOzo used the example of people resorting to payday loans to pay burial expenses for granny suddenly dying.--

Is he proposing a new right for us to be buried with OPM after Barrycare and Zeke kill us?

Guess when they say 'cradle to grave' they really mean it.

Comanche Voter

Don't let the Senate door slap ya on the backside on the way out Harry.

You started out as a lightweight boxer--nd remained a petty, nasty, vicious little lightweight all your miserable life.

Beasts of England

We could also make sudden death illegal! Not sure what the penalty would be, though...

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

73 year old rancher gets 75 years for trying to take back ranch he lost in divorce.

If ever a story was begging for a backstory this is it.

matt

Nancy Pelosi must be feeling more and more alone now. Of course all of the Botox to her brain means that she really can't put a coherent thought together anymore.

I would love to be in the room when she and Maxine Waters and Hank Johnson and Eleanor Holmes Norton get together. Just make sure there are no sharp objects anywhere nearby.

Porchlight

A lot of Euro airlines have changed their policy to the US rule on 2 in the cockpit at all times as a result of the crash. Sure, that doesn't dsicount a crazy person somehow overpowering the surrogate but it does make is less likely for a GermanWings incident.

I got schooled by (I think) a cargo pilot on Clarice's Facebook timeline yesterday for suggesting this. Also for suggesting that it would be a shame if the safety doors were abandoned as a result of this incident. The commenter insisted that the safety doors caused more danger than they prevented.

I pointed out that you can't quantify deterrence, that yes, locks can be picked or cause problems but generally are still worth having, and that he sounded like anti-gun people who say that carrying a weapon is dangerous because a perp could overpower you and take your weapon, but at the same time they ignore the possibility that the presence of your weapon might deter the crime in the first place. Just as mass shooters tend to avoid places that have higher likelihoods of weapon-carrying good guys.

He got mad at that and fell back on an appeal to authority since he's a pilot (but as I understand it he does not pilot passenger planes).

I'd like to hear the opinions of pilots of commercial passenger flights. Are the safety doors, besides being a PITA in some ways, an improvement on safety? Seems like virtually no one is bothering to attempt the conventional hijacking strategy anymore. Whether that's because of the safety door, increased security at screening, or the fact that passengers might overpower the perp, or some combo of the above, I don't know. But no hijacker to my knowledge has successfully breached a safety door.

Personally I think that if a pilot wants to bring down a plane, there's not going to be much we can do to stop it because a flight attendant could be overpowered. But at least the safety door protects the pilots from the passengers. And there are a hell of a lot more passengers than pilots.

GMax

Politico might have found the next bumper sticker:

“We’re in a goddamn free fall here,” said James Jeffrey, who served as Obama’s ambassador to Iraq


NKvirusedandback

These Grunts rightly say "told ya", and the comparison of their honesty and clarity of thought compared to that idiot Psaki is stunning. The Dem Establishment are credentialed morons, just morons: http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2015/03/27/bergdahl-platoon-members-react-to-desertion-charges-obama-administration-smears-n1977149?utm_source=BreakingOnTownhallWidget_4&utm_medium=story&utm_campaign=BreakingOnTownhall#!

GMax

NO the budget resolution does not require Zero's signature. The appropriation bills that follow do...

Buckeye

Daddy & JiB

So the airlines do the MMPI type test as a standard practice as part of the hiring process.

Is there any follow on testing done by the airlines on a periodic basis for active duty pilot?

I don't ever remember an AME asking anything other than alcohol or drug use questions for a third class medical.

daddy on iPad

Allen was vilified for saying macaca...but the Dems can burn down the country & nobody in the MFM care.

Janet,

Since we're supposedly not allowed to use a number of terms for Hillary, I'd be happy to see a resurrection of the indefinite term "Macaca" employed by the Right, and giving it a new definition, saying that "Macaca" means the illegitimate effort to prevent ones political opponents from using specific descriptive words which honestly describe their POS candidate.

NKvirusedandback

correct... House and Senate will 'reconcile' the Budget Plans with appropriation Bills which spend NO MORE than the Budget Plan. Obummer will veto the approppriation bills, the House/Senate can pass Budget Bills which keep all vital government functions open and pays Debt %, Obummer will be unilaterally closing the Gov't. Very different scenario than when Searchlight Pederast controlled the Senate. will McConnell leverage that differnce and show voters that Obummer is the Maniac? TBD.

jimmyk

Meanwhile CNN is shilling for Bergdahl and Obama:

CNN's @barbarastarrcnn has learned Bergdahl left his unit in July 2009 intending to walk to the nearest outpost to report wrongdoing.

Yeah, sure. After that he was going to minister to the poor and hungry.

GMax

Who goes outside the wire in hostile territory without your rifle to report wrongdoing. That is enough bullshit to make me start talking in Pashto...

jimmyk

Personally I think that if a pilot wants to bring down a plane, there's not going to be much we can do to stop it because a flight attendant could be overpowered.

As I said last night, if one pilot cannot lock out another pilot, then both the FA and the other pilot would have to be overpowered, which makes it less likely. So you can have the safety doors, but with each pilot having a code to get in that can't be overridden by someone inside the cockpit. There's no failproof system, it's a matter of making it as unlikely as possible.

GUS

Daddy, I spoke with American Airlines. They didn't call you back, because you are BLACK. Same with Starbucks. But there is good news....Harry Reid is leaving the Senate.

GMax

If there is a code, then a terrorist has to merely to seize a pilot in the restroom and he has unfettered access to the cockpit.

Porchlight

So you can have the safety doors, but with each pilot having a code to get in that can't be overridden by someone inside the cockpit.

I think the override exists because a hijacker could put a gun to the head of a pilot or FA and get him/her to unlock the door.

Porchlight

Lulz comment on Reid from HotAir:

I hear he wants to spend more time with someone else’s children.

blammm on March 27, 2015 at 9:52 AM

daddy on iPad

If you actually sent them a bag full of shit, they knew you were crazy. A fine test, if you ask me.

Ha! Excellent comment MarkO-San:) Maybe that's the answer---- they ask guys to send in their turds,and if they actually do send in their turds, they're the one that are crazy. Beautiful.

Porchlight

Or it's a test of something else - like your response to a request from authority. Some people will comply because they're afraid of what might happen to them if they don't, which suggests they're perhaps too easily manipulated. Some people refuse to submit, which might indicate an authority problem. I guess it depends what the employer is looking for.

Jim Eagle

jimmyk,

Saw your comment above on Egypt Air. There were 3 airmen. The Pilot, Co-Pilot and Relief Pilot. The relief pilot wasn't supposed to relieve for 3 hours but came in and suggested the pilot take a break which he did. That left him with the copilot. He immediately shut down both engines pressed the yoke and nose down. What the report fails to tell us is what happened to the co-pilot? From some reports I remember seeing he was trying to restart the engines when the command pilot reappeared asking what is going on.

YMMV

Jim Eagle

This is from a recently retired O-5 (Lt. Col) USAF Aviator friend who is doing Airbus 320 training with UAL right now:

"True statement on the lock function. Going through A320 training as I type. Key difference is US carriers require a Flight Attendant to be present if one of the pilots leaves the cockpit with engines running. Course the pick your poison situation is whether to have the reinforced door with the safety feature to prevent a jihadi from trying to force his way in vs not being able to get in if some one from the front locks you out (30 mins from the time you hit the lock override).

One thing is probably for sure...recurring psych evals coming up with annual flight physicals."

Answer to my noting that you can over-ride but it takes an eternity.

Beasts of England

lol, Porchlight!

jimmyk on iPhone

"If there is a code, then a terrorist has to merely to seize a pilot in the restroom and he has unfettered access to the cockpit."

So the pilot gives up a plane load of passengers to save his neck? I'd hope not. Again, any system can be foiled, it's a matter of weighing the likelihoods. These pilot-induced incidents (see my earlier link) are not so rare.

Porchlight

Putting a gun to a person's head is unfortunately a time-honored way to get that person to do something, even something horrible that involves the deaths of others.

Janet

This is something...

http://freebeacon.com/national-security/richard-engel-military-officials-say-allies-no-longer-trust-us-fear-intel-might-leak-to-iran/

jimmyk on iPhone

Thanks, JiB @12:13. Had forgotten there were three pilots.

NKvirusedandback

'fear' leak to Iran? they KNOW it will get to the Mullahs. They are Obummer's partners.

Jeff Dobbs

Beasts:
72 gallons of marine gas: $277
Summerizing the boat: $225
Boat wash and detail: $175

Outside temperature: 41 degrees

You might say - that by providing some really nice weather in previous weeks - Mother Nature was engaged in some ::removes sunglasses:: s u b t e r f u g e.

Cecil Turner

These pilot-induced incidents (see my earlier link) are not so rare.

There were certainly more than I'd remembered (and I note they left Craig Button off the list. I'd especially note the 1982 Haneda crash as one that it'd have been awfully hard for even a very alert copilot to recover, which rather supports Porch's hypothesis.

I don't know whether the doors cause more problems than they fix (and whether an alert passenger population would be adequate deterrence), but I'm sure there will be changes from this incident (extra person in the cockpit and psychological screening seems to be a minimum, though I doubt either would have perfect efficacy, and there's little tolerance for error).

Remember the good ol' days when you just made sure everyone's baggage was on their own plane (because nobody would be crazy enough to drag a bomb onto their own plane)? Seems a bit quaint, doesn't it?

Janet

This administration is more committed to destroying college fraternities than it is to destroying Islamic jihadi barbarians.

exdemocrat

Gus - is there a way i can contact you directly? ex

James D.

porch @ 12:30

Even if a pilot were willing to sacrifice 200 lives under his protection in order to save his own, I still don't think he/she would let the terrorist in.

Since 9/11, and especially since the events of the other day, any pilot in that situation has to believe that an armed intruder trying to get into the cockpit intends not to hijack the plane, but to deliberately crash it.

"I'll shoot you if you don't let me into the cockpit so I can...uh...kill you anyway." is not a threat that will motivate anybody.

Jim Eagle

jimmyk,

I stand corrected. Relief First Officer (co-pilot) took over for the Command co-pilot (right seat). The Command Captain remained in his left seat, said he needed to use the lavatory before it got crowded after dinner. He left the cockpit and then the relief first officer began the series of augering in south of Nantucket. The Command Captain comes back and starts the panic conversation.

"I rely on God". BTW, the NTSB report is available on that website you liinked and is very detailed including all the carp they went through deciphering the arabic being spoken on the Cockpit Voice Recorder.

lyle

"I'll shoot you if you don't let me into the cockpit so I can...uh...kill you anyway." is not a threat that will motivate anybody.

Well, a gun to the head has a way of concentrating the mind for sure, but that's what I was thinking as well, JamesD.

Jim Eagle

jimmyk,

Forgot to add that there were actually 4 flight crew members on board Egypt Air. A relief captain and a relief first officer.

exdemocrat

jamesD - don't you know that coercive interrogation never achieves anything?? sheesh.

(http://20committee.com/2012/12/11/torture-doesnt-work-except-when-it-does/)

Extraneus

Same with the passengers, James. People aren't gonna just sit there while someone holds a gun to the pilot's head anymore. Those days are over.

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