Astute observers are rightly noting that Hillary had a hand in the 2011 decision to overthrow Libyan strongman Qadaffi and replace him with... well, nothing but chaos.
But is this Monday morning quarterbacking? Is it fair to argue that Hillary could or should have foreseen a Libya divided along tribal lines, a dreadful refugee crisis, and the emergence of terror groups in the failed state?
Well, yes. For a bit of Sunday afternoon quarterbacking, let's excerpt this from March 22 2011, by Adam Garfinkle of The American Interest:
As noted, there is a regional and tribal element to the fight in Libya. It is unlikely that the Benghazi-based rebels could by themselves establish stable control over the whole country. It is almost as unlikely that the Tripolitanian tribes could re-establish firm control over Cyrenaica. Qaddafi managed the feat through a combination of patronage, terror and cooptation. That will be a very hard act to follow in the wake of so much bloodletting. We are therefore looking into the maw of a Libya that may well be divided, in the throes of some kind of protracted, at least low-level civil war, and that could very easily produce an insurgency spilling over the Egyptian and Tunisian borders—complete with refugees, the usual dysfunctional NGO triage operations and all the rest. And in due course, if the fractious mess lasts long enough, there is a reasonable prospect that al-Qaeda will find a way to establish a foothold amid the mayhem.
Who will want to send in peacekeepers to baby-sit a Libya that looks like that? Who’ll want to go to the UN to get the job authorized? The African Union?
Now, given that this sort of problem is foreseeable, and that it was also foreseeable before the cruise missiles started flying on Saturday, it stands to reason that a responsible, serious government will have thought about all this in advance, and come up with some plan for the post-combat “Phase IV” of the Libyan War, right? Not on your life; the President and his war council almost certainly have not even begun to think about this sort of thing, because they’re still in denial that it could happen. This is, after all, just a limited, humanitarian mission as far as they’re concerned. They don’t realize it yet, but these guys are on a path to make even Donny Rumsfeld and Tommy Franks look good—and you thought that was impossible.
Well, yes, that piece hit on refugees, terror groups, and an ongoing civil war in a failed state. And FWIW, I found it sufficiently persuasive to link to it back in the day, and recycle the main themes a few days later. The point being, these arguments were made in real time and ignored by the Administration, including our former Secretary of State.
As to the analogy to Iraq, well, the Colin Powell aphorism was that if you break it, you own it. Why don't Barack and Hillary own Libya? And can the Republicans let go of Benghazi and talk about the much larger failure of judgment involved in displacing Qadaffi with no credible plan to replace him?
The guy who got elected on 'No More Iraqs' gave us a new Iraq (and lost the original one!). With Hillary at his side encouraging our involvement.
daddy:
The danger when one of the Blues gets hit by hackers (and Anthem and Permira are both members of the Blue Cross Blue Shield system) is that, if you belong to your local Blue, and you get medical care in a different state, that Blue has your health data. So, if you have BCBS anywhere, and went to the doctor in Georgia, the Anthem hackers got your data. If you went to the doctor in Washington, the Permira hackers have your stuff.
A traveling man like you is probably going to be getting these notices a lot in the future.
Posted by: Appalled | April 22, 2015 at 02:01 PM
--the degree of interest in this story suggests that we are, as a nation, still grappling with the terrible legacy of slavery--
Or maybe we're grappling with how blanket-headed, Hollywood ignoramuses feel fine lecturing us about stuff they choose to hide their own lives.
Perhaps we're grappling with white washed sepulchers full of dead men's bones being the moral arbiters of our times.
Posted by: Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki | April 22, 2015 at 02:05 PM
Of course, I view almost any unsolicited letter, email, or phone call as a scam.
Frau @1:36, that classic song would now require a trigger warning on any college campus.
Posted by: jimmyk on iPhone | April 22, 2015 at 02:05 PM
Yes, there's an entire cottage industry of scammers contacting people claiming that they've been hacked and representing themselves as working for Windows. A Microsoft store person told me those calls are bogus.
Posted by: Captain Hate | April 22, 2015 at 02:06 PM
the Anonymous hack, we now agree that who was behind it, revealed that no matter how ignorant and insular we thought hollywood to be, they are even more so,
Posted by: narciso | April 22, 2015 at 02:10 PM
Daddy, at 1:29
I'm on my fifth debit card in 18 months thanks to Home Depot, Target, Anthem, Ace Hardware, and I've forgotten who else's data breaches. Pain in the ass. Any auto debits have to be redone for each time the breach occurs and I always forget someone. Sirius, water bill, Amazon, fitness, and more and some are monthly, some are quarterly and some are annual charges to the card that have to be kept up with and edited or you lose your service. Sirius was the latest I forgot about and had to do on the fly - at least they monitor when you get in the car and call and explain that the monthly billing didn't go through do you want to update your info.
The last debit card cancel/ reissue BofA did, the new card was lost in the mail or stolen and they had canceled the old card which I tried to use out at dinner not realizing that they assumed I got the new one and was just lazy about changing over. Nothing like not having cash nor an ability to use an atm due to no card and needing to pay for dinner you just ate. The restaurant ended up taking a check after I called BofA from the restaurant and figured out what was up.
And no I haven't taken advantage of the free monitoring, either.
Posted by: Stephanie | April 22, 2015 at 02:12 PM
Pagar,
I own most of the Agatha Christie books in hardbound form, collected over the years. It's why I chose my screen name, back when we were trying to solve the mystery of the intern and Clinton, back when I was on FR. I've kept it ever since.
I know I can get classics and out of print novels on Kindle; I have quite a few myself. Gardening books are a different matter, asthey have lots of pictures which don't show up well on a Kindle or iPad screen. Ditto travel or history books with illustrations.
Plus, it makes me mad that the lefty books get the royalties for hard copies while those of us who want to read something else are shuffled off to the used bookstore, kindle, or bookbub.
What's even more irritating is that this is the most conservative area of a conservative state. I don't need to be have some lefty librarian doing conversion efforts through the new books section.
I am off to the grocery, coupons in hand.
Back later this afternoon.
ps, hit and run, thanks for checking on that link and post! I was feeling pretty put upon about that! Now at least I know I am not crazy!
Posted by: Miss Marple | April 22, 2015 at 02:14 PM
Posted by: Dave (in MA) | April 22, 2015 at 02:16 PM
Posted by: Dave (in MA) | April 22, 2015 at 02:17 PM
Have some Madeira, daddy, and listen to Swann and Flanders.
LUN
Frau, that's the second time in two days I've seen this song referenced. Once yesterday on a FB wine discussion on the Aubrey-Maturin page, once today on JOM. The internet is weirdly connected, is it not?
Posted by: Porchlight | April 22, 2015 at 02:18 PM
One way to clear lefties from the universities 1/3 of employees on two UW campuses seek voluntary buyouts. Fewer than 20% are faculty. This is because Walker proposed setting the UW system free of the legislature (which UW asked for) -- for a reduction in subsidy and ban on tuition increases (which UW is now panicked over).
Posted by: henry | April 22, 2015 at 02:21 PM
Posted by: Dave (in MA) | April 22, 2015 at 02:22 PM
Someone's gonna get fired...
Just got a coupon in the mail from Helzberg for $50 off a purchase of $50 or more for mothers day. Nothing in the fine print on restrictions or gradations of use.
Free jewelry!!
Posted by: Stephanie | April 22, 2015 at 02:26 PM
Never Give Up, Never Surrender: 'Galaxy Quest' TV Show Is in the Works
"By Grabthar's hammer, by the suns of Worvan, you shall be avenged."
LUN
Posted by: Neo | April 22, 2015 at 02:35 PM
the Aubrey-Maturin page
Thanks for making me aware of this.
Posted by: Captain Hate | April 22, 2015 at 02:37 PM
http://freebeacon.com/issues/judge-orders-ny-transit-agency-to-run-killing-jews-ad/
Posted by: Threadkiller | April 22, 2015 at 02:42 PM
Speaking of Hollywood ignoramuses,I just got back from an appointment.I browsed thru the People Magazine and I think I recognized one person. Who are these people?! The person I recognized was Princess Kate,who is due to have her baby any day. Boy or girl? Twins? Who will be the godparents? What will the name be? Inquiring minds!
Posted by: Marlene | April 22, 2015 at 02:46 PM
Sorry to hear about Jack and Danube. Both have very interesting backgrounds that were a fine complement to a wide variety of topics.
Posted by: Beasts of England | April 22, 2015 at 02:47 PM
Humour is a difficult concept
Posted by: Neo | April 22, 2015 at 02:47 PM
If it's a girl? Gotta be Mary IMO.
Hey, I got the boy's name right.
Posted by: NKvirusedandback | April 22, 2015 at 02:48 PM
Lost it
Posted by: Neo | April 22, 2015 at 02:49 PM
BoE-- what is the JiB/DoT news?
Posted by: NKvirusedandback | April 22, 2015 at 02:49 PM
Indiana HIV outbreak worsens, takes toll on families
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/indiana-hiv-outbreak-worsens-takes-toll-on-families/
Outbreak?
Posted by: Threadkiller | April 22, 2015 at 02:54 PM
I've been gone a couple of days. What's up with JiB/DoT?
Posted by: Porchlight | April 22, 2015 at 02:54 PM
not good for anything including children and small animals,
http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-04-22/americans-trapped-in-yemen-u-s-says-good-luck-
Posted by: narciso | April 22, 2015 at 02:59 PM
after the Hernandez conviction today (life without parole), someone fake-tweeted "Roger Goodell announces Aaron Hernandez suspended 2 games"
Posted by: Captain Hate | April 22, 2015 at 03:00 PM
correct me if I am wrong, but isn't JiB having hip surgery,
Posted by: narciso | April 22, 2015 at 03:05 PM
Just in from a short Dog
WalkLimp (Scout still ailing:(I figured that if Hillary gets on average $300,000 per speech, and her average speech is 3,000 words, then Mrs "Topple the 1 Percenter's" pay rate breaks down to One Hundred Dollars per word.
Under this Hillary Pay Rate, TM's post above would earn him approximately $50,000. Not bad for a Yankee fan!
Neo's 02:49 would earn him $200 bucks, NK's 02:49, $700 smackers, and Narciso's 02:59 would pull in $2,000 buckaroos, even without commas or periods.
Nice work if you can get it, no?
This haiku,
at Hillary rates
900 Bucks. Ka-ching!
Posted by: daddy | April 22, 2015 at 03:06 PM
Did I misread the earlier thread suggesting they had quit commenting here? I was scrolling quickly, trying to catch up. Apologize if I screwed up in that assessment...
Posted by: Beasts of England | April 22, 2015 at 03:09 PM
BTW, does the same variety of Madeira wine that the Founder's swilled still exist? I don't believe I've ever tried any Madeira. Any recommendations from our JOM sommeliers?
daddy,
I love the Madeira I've had from the Rare Wine Co. Historic Series. They worked to create exactly what you are talking about - Madeiras like those the Founders drank. From driest to sweetest, their main line goes as follows: Charleston Sercial, Savannah Verdelho, Boston Bual, New York Malmsey. Then there are some special editions like Baltimore Rainwater, as well as cuvees specially designed and named for Jefferson, Madison, and Franklin.
I've only tried the Verdelho and the Sercial and the Sercial is my favorite. All Madeiras are high in sugar, but they are also high in acidity, so there is this great bright finish that you don't taste in sherry or port. Sercial is the driest and is good slightly chilled. It is wonderful. It just sings.
The other great thing about Madeira is that it keeps indefinitely. You can cork it and throw it on top of your fridge and it'll still be good five years from now.
These aren't easy to find and aren't cheap - about $50/bottle for the regular ones at my shop. The special editions run higher and are even harder to locate. The Jefferson/Madison/Franklin wines are pretty much impossible to find because the editions are so limited.
http://www.rarewineco.com/rare-wine-co-historic-series-madeira/
Posted by: Porchlight | April 22, 2015 at 03:13 PM
Happy birthday, rich!
Posted by: Porchlight | April 22, 2015 at 03:14 PM
oh, but you can special order some of those Madeiras if you are lucky enough to live in a state where that is possible...otherwise, your local good wine or liquor shop might be able to order them for you.
Posted by: Porchlight | April 22, 2015 at 03:15 PM
--One way to clear lefties from the universities...--
I first read that as "...clear lefties from the universe..." and I have to confess I rubbed my hands together a little maniacally and thought "when do we start".
Rats.
Posted by: Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki | April 22, 2015 at 03:16 PM
I haven't seen rich here in a while either.
Am I wrong?
Posted by: Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki | April 22, 2015 at 03:17 PM
HB rich, wherever you are...
Posted by: Captain Hate | April 22, 2015 at 03:19 PM
the rest of the story:
http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2015/04/22/foiled-attack-on-paris-churches-another-case-of-known-wolf-terrorism/
Posted by: narciso | April 22, 2015 at 03:19 PM
isn't JiB having hip surgery,
Wait, so Captain Haiku = JiB?
Porch, JiB and DoT have (hopefully temporarily) disappeared, the former apparently over some golf-related spat, the latter I think as a result of a lot of complaints against his birther-related posts responding to TK.
Posted by: jimmyk | April 22, 2015 at 03:22 PM
Paris Church attacks? good thing they were foiled, but no one would have been injured in the empty churches anyways.
Posted by: NKvirusedandback | April 22, 2015 at 03:23 PM
True, rich has been absent for a few days, I think. Hope it's just a prolonged birthday celebration. Happy Birthday, rich.
Posted by: jimmyk | April 22, 2015 at 03:23 PM
Happy Birthday Rich-- hope all is well.
Posted by: NKvirusedandback | April 22, 2015 at 03:24 PM
Wait, so Captain Haiku = JiB?
Nope, EiB, not JiB. Me.
Posted by: Eric in Boise | April 22, 2015 at 03:26 PM
Well that makes sense.
Posted by: Threadkiller | April 22, 2015 at 03:37 PM
Happy Birthday Rich!
Posted by: Threadkiller | April 22, 2015 at 03:40 PM
Obama's Foreign Policy reminds me of a Chess Game played by a little kid, (here using the Black pieces)

wherein the little kid only moves his Knights (the Horses) which can jump in an 'L' pattern:
The little kid would use his first 6 or 7 moves just to jump his horses around to no effect, yet by the 8th move he will have foolishly moved them back into their original starting position so that all his Chess pieces will then be exactly back where they were before the game's first move---in their original positions.
The little kid will feel he has lost no advantage because he's exactly where he started, and he think's he's still exactly as strong as he was prior to the games first move since he hasn't yet committed to anything so therefore all his options are still open.
Unfortunately, while he was doing those same 8 moves, his opponent would be moving Pawns and Bishops and Knights and Queens around the board to develop power positions for strategies and lines of attack.
That's how I view Obama's moves in Foreign Policy. He's the little kid, claiming he's lost nothing since he's not yet committed to anything, and Kerry etc are the witless Knight's being stupidly moved around the board to no advantage. America's opponents on the other hand; Putin, Iran, China, Cuba, ISIS, Al Qaeda, are well aware of his stupidity and are way ahead in moving their pieces on the Global Chess Board for maximum offensive advantage, while Obama dithers.
Every time I watch the moronic duo of Harf or Psaki trying to explain what the hell we are doing on the world stage with this deal here, or that Carrier movement there, the analogy of the Chess playing child comes to mind.
Posted by: daddy | April 22, 2015 at 03:50 PM
rich hasn't posted since Apr 7.
Posted by: Jeff Dobbs | April 22, 2015 at 03:51 PM
I'm glad you came forward EiB . . . I wasn't sure if you wanted outing or not (you mentioned it once in passing).
Best of luck on the surgery.
Posted by: Jeff Dobbs | April 22, 2015 at 03:55 PM
Guess I'll have to come up with another alter ego, Hit :)
(Ponders)
Hey, I know, how about "Squaredance Haiku"?
We're completely screwed
Don't you idiots see this?
Open up your eyes
On second thought, maybe not...
Posted by: Eric in Boise | April 22, 2015 at 03:59 PM
Jobs not created nor saved:
http://weaselzippers.us/221479-pregnant-mother-of-three-fired-from-popeyes-after-she-couldnt-afford-to-pay-back-400-stolen-during-armed-robbery/
Posted by: Captain Hate | April 22, 2015 at 04:10 PM
Captain Haiku outs himself!
Good luck on the hip surgery, Eric. Three people in my office have had hip replacements in the last coupla years. All are back on their feet within days (with a walker of course). Make sure you send a thank you note to Precious for the fine medical care he arranged for you.
Posted by: lyle | April 22, 2015 at 04:16 PM
Never Give Up, Never Surrender: 'Galaxy Quest' TV Show Is in the Works
"By Grabthar's hammer, by the suns of Worvan, you shall be avenged."
Galaxy Quest is a wonderful little movie. Very funny.
Rich might be busy with his new job.
Posted by: Janet | April 22, 2015 at 04:30 PM
Sigourny Weaver. 'Nuff said.
Posted by: lyle | April 22, 2015 at 04:32 PM
Thanks all. I probably wouldn't mention it if I had it to do over again, but was feeling a need to vent because I'm mid 50s, and it's BOTH hips that are shot. UGH.
My (first) surgery is in August; will try to manage pain with OTC stuff (mixture of acetaminophen/ibuprofen). Doc is pretty adamant that taking the stronger prescription stuff pre-surgery leads to poor outcomes, and I think I'll take his word on that.
Posted by: Eric in Boise | April 22, 2015 at 04:33 PM
Sigourney Weaver from the Ethel Walker School, a fellow alumnae of my daughter.
Posted by: NKvirusedandback | April 22, 2015 at 04:36 PM
speaking of Sigourney Weaver, I still get the vapors from her wardrobe in the final scene of "Alien" (1979).
Posted by: NKvirusedandback | April 22, 2015 at 04:38 PM
CUSTOMER SERVICE SO BAD AT IRS BECAUSE THEY CUT THEIR OWN BUDGET AND THEN BLAMED CONGRESS
Boo effin' Hoo:
Posted by: daddy | April 22, 2015 at 04:43 PM
Posted by: Dave (in MA) | April 22, 2015 at 04:49 PM
Eric,
If you are having the anterior type hip replacement, recovery is very quick. If your surgeon and no one near does that type, the older style is still doable. My brother-in-law had 2 done in his 70's, and he is in fine shape.
Just do exactly what they say as far as exercises, how to sit, etc.
I have a friend whose son has had both hips done in his 3's, due to congenital abnormalities which caused early deterioration, so just because you have them done doesn't mean you are old. Chin up!
Posted by: Miss Marple | April 22, 2015 at 04:53 PM
In his 30's, not 3's.
I even proofread, too!
Posted by: Miss Marple | April 22, 2015 at 04:54 PM
Thank you, MM. Mrs. EiB pointed out to me that the only folks that never experience any pain are those that are no longer alive. She's right, of course.
Posted by: Eric in Boise | April 22, 2015 at 04:56 PM
In the typepad naughty bin.....
Threadkiller said:
Indiana HIV outbreak worsens, takes toll on families http://www.cbsnews.com/news/indiana-hiv-outbreak-worsens-takes-toll-on-families/
Outbreak?
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Posted by: Jeff Dobbs | April 22, 2015 at 05:00 PM
Eric,
Always a good idea. I have lots of things like that which keep me going.
Whenever I get down about finances I always remember the Boat People.
When my arthritis bothers me I just chalk it up to a life well-lived, and remember that my dad kept going with far worse.
Your doc is right about the pain meds, because some will make you bleed more during surgery and recovery, which of course is not a good thing.
Once you have it done you will be amazed at the difference it makes in your activity and your general outlook on life. Seriously, my brother-in-law had become very testy and withdrawn. It was because he couldn't move and resented feeling like he was old. Having those new hips brightened his outlook and made him the guy I knew 20 years ago.
Posted by: Miss Marple | April 22, 2015 at 05:02 PM
Frau,
Great fun video link about Madeira! Had never heard the song before or the guys doing it. As Lawrence Welk used to say, that was vunnerful, vunnerful:)
Cheers. Do they have any Madeira in Asia, or am I heading in the wrong direction?
Posted by: daddy | April 22, 2015 at 05:03 PM
That HIV outbreak in southern Indiana is because of meth and needle sharing. Idiots then had unprotected sex with partners and there you go. Epidemic.
They have instituted a testing program, a free needle program, and some education to get it under control.
Posted by: Miss Marple | April 22, 2015 at 05:04 PM
Our preezy is afraid to tell the truth with regard to the genocide by Turkey against the Armenians. Turkey has just sent the Austrian ambassador home for telling the truth about this atrocity
Posted by: maryrose | April 22, 2015 at 05:15 PM
Keep on Fracking
We need bumper stickers like the ones that used to say Keep on Truckin
Posted by: maryrose | April 22, 2015 at 05:17 PM
Porch,
Thanks for the excellent info on Madeira. I will definitely keep my eyes peeled now for a good old bottle of Madeira. Also, very slow on catch-up today so sorry for the late responses to you and Frau.
Posted by: daddy | April 22, 2015 at 05:26 PM
Geez:
The HIV outbreak in southern Indiana is worsening. On Tuesday the state's Department of Health reported 135 cases of the virus, 46 more than two weeks ago. The outbreak is being spread by drug-users sharing dirty needles to shoot up drugs, particularly the painkiller Opana.
Posted by: daddy | April 22, 2015 at 05:35 PM
Rest in peace, Rosie.
Model For Rockwell's Rosie The Riveter Painting Dies At 92
Keefe grew up in Arlington, Vermont, where she met Rockwell — who lived in West Arlington — and posed for his painting when she was a 19-year-old telephone operator...was paid $5 for each of two mornings she posed for Rockwell
Sounds like she was a wonderful gal.
Posted by: daddy | April 22, 2015 at 05:50 PM
Which Indiana neighborhood did Obama drop of the border hopping illegal "children?"
Posted by: Threadkiller | April 22, 2015 at 05:53 PM
TK,
No one knows for sure. Since the government didn't tell anyone, local governments have dealt with immigrant children as they appear. Someone here did a study on upticks in immigrant children, but it wasn't conclusive.
Posted by: Miss Marple | April 22, 2015 at 05:55 PM
"Although Keefe was petite, Rockwell's Rosie the Riveter had large arms, hands and shoulders. The painting shows the red-haired Rosie in blue jean work overalls sitting down, with a sandwich in her left hand, her right arm atop a lunchbox with the name "Rosie" on it, a rivet gun on her lap and her feet resting on a copy of Adolf Hitler's manifesto "Mein Kampf." The entire background is a waving American flag."
I've always associated "Rosie" with Westinghouse's generic "We Can Do It" pic, but Rockwell's is new to me and splendid.
Posted by: DebinNC | April 22, 2015 at 06:01 PM
Two articles that go together.
http://shoebat.com/2015/04/22/president-obamas-family-visits-mecca-to-share-what-they-termed-the-pure-image-of-our-great-muslim-religion/
http://shoebat.com/2015/04/21/the-antichrist-agenda-behind-president-obamas-opening-of-the-major-mega-mosque-in-the-u-s/
IMOI, this is nothing but an invasion.
Posted by: pagar | April 22, 2015 at 06:04 PM
I have a fun story about Amy's youngest, Hailey, who will be 10 in May.
She is crazy about animals, and they are crazy about her. She walks down the street and Geckos jump on her, while they run from everyone else. She loves snakes, and they love her. All animals are attracted to her like fleas to a dog.
They are in SC on school vacation. They rented an RV and are staying at a park. Last night they were down by the river where a duck and her 12 ducklings were hanging out.
A mallard appeared and started attacking the mother. Mary, the cardiologist, screamed "he's killing her" which is apparently is quite common as the mallards like to show their dominance.
Hailey jumped off the dock, into the river and saved Momma duck. Afterward, the duck and the 12 ducklings would not leave Hailey's side and spent the entire night on the deck attached to their RV. The ducks have left for the day and everyone is wondering if they will come back tonite.
She is getting a ball python for her birthday next week. I can't wait - well I can, actually, because I'm the person who has to feed the crew when they go on vacation. This week it is 2 cats, a chinchila, a goldfish, a bird, a gecko and kiwi.
Posted by: Jane | April 22, 2015 at 06:07 PM
Maybe the kids weren't kids, MM. HIVisitors? When did Pence notice the "outbreak?"
Posted by: Threadkiller | April 22, 2015 at 06:07 PM
I'm much less concerned about the flood of illegals than I am the flood of "legal" muslim refugees BOzo is seeding into unsuspecting communities across America.
https://refugeeresettlementwatch.wordpress.com/2015/04/20/citizen-researcher-get-the-plan-for-your-community-before-it-goes-to-washington/
Posted by: DebinNC | April 22, 2015 at 06:15 PM
Re: Jib and Dot,
Jib and I got into it over the Masters. I said Tiger started the fitness craze and now all the young players were buff. He schooled me that I was wrong and Gary Player started it. (Apparently it didn't catch on) He continued to school me 3 more times and I tried to concede. He wasn't accepting that. Then he made some comment on Facebook that put me over the edge so I came back and told him that I knew he was smarter and better and richer than I was and I was sorry that I even pretended to know something about golf because he was clearly the expert. It was very snarky and I thought well deserved. That was the end for him.
He is posting on Facebook and perhaps he will see this and feel strongly about coming back to correct me. I'm not mad at him at this point, but he clearly still is mad at me.
As for Dot, he's got a lot of stuff going on and thinks a lot has changed around here and it might be a good time to bow out. I told him things change because people leave and insisted that he come in and say hi every so often.
We'll see how much pull I have.
Posted by: Jane | April 22, 2015 at 06:18 PM
TK,
The numbers from the government are very ephemeral. Most info has come in from on the scene reports by church volunteers.
They seem to have een split amongst medium to large cities in Indiana: Indianapolis, Ft. Wayne, Evansville, Gary.
I don't know when Pence first became aware of this, only when they announced the emergency needle program and such, about 3 weeks ago.
This area in the story is small town, southern Indiana. Not one that would normally have received a large influx of ilegals without anyone commenting on it.
Posted by: Miss Marple | April 22, 2015 at 06:22 PM
Another asked if she ever wanted to be first lady when she was a kid. She responded, “I didn’t know I could be a first lady.” She explained that people “like her” and Barack didn’t think they ever could. But, she said, “Here I am. It’s a pretty good job.”
What horrible parents she has. Imagine doing that to a kid particularly at her age. Lots of black success stories by that time. Hell Obama grew up in an all white family - imagine telling your kid that!
I'm disgusted. And it explains a lot.
http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/michelle-o-cant-remember-how-long-shes-been-married
Posted by: Jane | April 22, 2015 at 06:24 PM
We have a pair of mating ducks again this year. With the loss of Diva--doggy sentinel extraordinaire--the ducks are absolutely, and rather flippantly, I might add, unconcerned about the other two dogs. It's like they own the place. Last year, she nested against the foundation which you could see clearly from the family room window. The missus put up a small fence around it and pretty soon there were a dozen eggs. Heading to Sun Valley for Memorial day weekend, Mrs. lyle predicted that they would hatch and be gone by the time we returned. Yep. But about four days later we were out back and she paraded the whole crew by for our enjoyment, never to be seen again.
Posted by: lyle | April 22, 2015 at 06:25 PM
Jane, all the vets at the local pet clinic we use seem to be young women who probably loved animals as much as Hailey.
I hope JiB and Dot both come back.I wish bgates and Maybee would, too.
It's enough losing PUK and Sue and Jim.
Posted by: clarice | April 22, 2015 at 06:32 PM
http://www.wsj.com/articles/rise-and-shine-1429722832?tesla=y
Taranto quotes the Miami Herald:
Figures Precious wouldn't know--or acknowledge--market forces if they bit him in the ass.
Posted by: lyle | April 22, 2015 at 06:37 PM
http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/042115-748892-california-obamacare-exchange-suffers-big-problems.htm
Yelp reviews:
Saps. More:
Posted by: lyle | April 22, 2015 at 06:44 PM
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/04/22/lesbian-coach-fired-for-threatening-to-burn-down-memories-pizza/
Good. This type of stuff needs to be hammered down.
Posted by: Miss Marple | April 22, 2015 at 06:50 PM
Clarice,
Hailey is determined to go live in the bowels of Australia with the weirdest animals on the planet. I would not bet against her.
Posted by: Jane | April 22, 2015 at 06:50 PM
All:
I have sent Jane a FB message.
She, nor our disagreement on Player vs. Tiger, is the reason I am not posting. It is a counter-commenter to our disagreement. Jnd eane is a wonderul person and vaiued commenter who I have always respected and appreciated.o
However, the way some of my comments are countered by venonous comments that are unwarranted leave me no other option but to beg out of commenting. I will continue to lurk and enjoy the repartee but I can't comment knowing there are little men out there with inferiority complexes who get their jolliies off by snarking any comment I make.
Ciao!
Posted by: Jack is Back! | April 22, 2015 at 06:53 PM
Oz--home to some of the world's most deadly creatures. From spiders to box jellyfish and several others.
Posted by: lyle | April 22, 2015 at 06:53 PM
Let me try that again:
She, nor our disagreement on Player vs. Tiger, is the reason I am not posting. It is a counter-commenter to our disagreement.Jane is a wonderul person and vaiued commenter who I have always respected and appreciated.
Posted by: Jack is Back! | April 22, 2015 at 06:54 PM
Jack,
I missed whoever was snarking, which seems to be a petty thing. I will sorely miss news of Frederick and your travels. Maybe you could post early in the morning once in a while?
Posted by: Miss Marple | April 22, 2015 at 06:55 PM
I second Miss Marple. Frederick is one of us, too, and a learn lot from JiB.
Posted by: sbw | April 22, 2015 at 06:59 PM
It wasn't me, MM.
Posted by: Threadkiller | April 22, 2015 at 07:01 PM
I don't know who it was, TK. I am mostly here in the early mornings and the evening, so I probably missed it, or didn't understand what I was reading.
What a shame. I was really interested in JiB's posts, because he had such a fascinating perspective.
Posted by: Miss Marple | April 22, 2015 at 07:05 PM
Not TK. We have had our issues but I respect his opinions (no matter how interesting aka loonie:), his humor and of course, mechanical skill.
Posted by: Jack is Back! | April 22, 2015 at 07:08 PM
I think I was the only one delivering snark. But I appreciate your kind words JIB. You give as good as you get, so come back and give it.
Posted by: Jane | April 22, 2015 at 07:12 PM
Thanks, JIB. I equally admire you and have been very thankful that we have had a good online relationship.
Posted by: Threadkiller | April 22, 2015 at 07:12 PM
The last surviving dog from 9/11:
Posted by: Miss Marple | April 22, 2015 at 07:27 PM
JIB
Please keep commenting and informing us with your wide range of k owl edge
I also enjoy keeping up with Frederick
I was. hurt when I first came to JOM as I was initially deemed a troll
I decided to give it another chance and have found it a wonderful source of encouragement
I don't believe it has changed that much
Perhaps it is time to resume our Friday night stories especially good during the primary season
Posted by: maryrose | April 22, 2015 at 07:28 PM
JiB gone? But
He was like Dos Equis dude
Interesting stuff
Posted by: Captain Haiku | April 22, 2015 at 07:29 PM
JiB, Like many others have already commented.
Reading JOM is less enjoyable when we are not seeing your posts. Please keep posting.
Posted by: pagar | April 22, 2015 at 07:39 PM
Trouble in Hillary World:
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/239665-ex-clinton-backer-switches-to-omalley
Posted by: Miss Marple | April 22, 2015 at 07:48 PM
What's a guy to do on Earth Day? collect environmentalist skulls. My tax bill thanks him.
Posted by: henry | April 22, 2015 at 07:49 PM