Timeswoman and media critic Alessandra Stanley puts news anchor and philanthropist George Stephanopoulos on the couch to rationalize his donations to the Clinton Foundation and cover-up of same:
George Stephanopoulos and the Line Between News and Entertainment
First Brian Williams and now George Stephanopoulos. Credibility, or in this case, incredibility, is the Dutch elm disease of network anchors — once it spreads, it’s ferociously damaging and hard to stop.
For baffling reasons, Mr. Williams fibbed about his war zone derring-do. Mr. Stephanopoulos, a top strategist in Bill Clinton’s first presidential campaign and administration before he joined ABC News, failed to let his viewers know that he had donated $75,000 to the Clinton Foundation. On “Good Morning America” on Friday, he called it a mistake. The admission has resulted in some Republicans claiming bias for Hillary Clinton.
"Some Republicans"? Do mainstream media critics, journalism professor and the like have an opinion on the ethics of this, or is this attack just more partisan hackery and we should all move on?
But on the psycho-babble:
The slip by Mr. Stephanopoulos is especially mystifying. He was the ultimate political caretaker-courtier and had to work particularly hard to mold a new persona for himself after leaving the Clinton White House. Like a religious convert, he was more invested in his journalistic bona fides than most because he acquired them so late in life.
He obviously wasn’t trying to curry favor with the Clintons — giving $75,000 over several years to charities in their foundation would be about as effective as trying to get a child into Harvard by giving $100 to the Radcliffe Institute.
Hmm - Ms. Stanley not only knows what Ms. Clinton is but she knows her price. Why is it obvious that as a show of devotion and respect $75,000 wouldn't be enough? Isn't it the thought that counts?
But it’s possible he was hoping to expiate some guilt. Mr. Stephanopoulos ruptured his friendship with the Clintons in 1999 when he published a tell-most memoir, “All Too Human.” The chill was all too evident in the 2008 campaign, when Hillary Clinton treated Mr. Stephanopoulos with withering superiority.
Hmm again - by 2013 (after the first donation, we should note) George scored a friendly interview with Bill. Hey, maybe George and the Clintons are cool (i.e., 'cool'), not chilly.
He couldn’t buy the Clintons’ forgiveness with that kind of money, but it is possible that he sought to assuage some of his own remorse over putting his credibility and fortune above their political ambitions. Mr. Stephanopoulos projects choir-boy decency and probity on camera, so he might have wanted to feel better about himself off the set. For someone of his wealth, $75,000 is a small price to pay.
Wow. So this was all a feel-good attempt by George with no thought or hope that it might change the attitude of the Clintons towards him. And he failed to disclose it because, hmm, who would even care?
If reporters, sorry, "reporters" are already straining this hard to cover for the Clintons it is going to be a long, painful campaign.
The blob will be elected if the MSM has anything to do with it.
Posted by: henry | May 17, 2015 at 11:08 AM
But we do know what the media has been honest about.
Posted by: Threadkiller | May 17, 2015 at 11:10 AM
it is going to be a long, painful campaign.
Right up there with death and taxes.
Posted by: Jeff Dobbs | May 17, 2015 at 11:11 AM
It's already been a long, painful campaign. :)
Posted by: Joan | May 17, 2015 at 11:13 AM
The lap dog media has become the lap dance media.
Posted by: matt | May 17, 2015 at 11:20 AM
I still say we need to see what OTHER charities he gave $75,000 to.
GS made a big deal about wanting to support combatting AIDS and deforestation. Has he given $75,000 to any other charities which support this type of work? Any other charities at all?
Because if he didn't give this amount to anyone else, his protests mean zilch and it was all about getting access.
Posted by: Miss Marple | May 17, 2015 at 11:29 AM
--The slip by Mr. Stephanopoulos....--
Oops!
This is why the press is so unpopular; because they're such hard bitten and cynical sharks when one of their own is caught with his hand in the ethical cookie jar.
Posted by: Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki | May 17, 2015 at 11:41 AM
lol, matt!!
Did anyone suspect that 2016 would be anything other than the most mendacious media display evah? Certainly no one here at JOM.
Just one tiny example: how many days since Cankles has taken questions from the media?
Posted by: Beasts of England | May 17, 2015 at 11:46 AM
It's mystifying, Ig! Mystifying! Not a breach of ethics or proof of bias...
Posted by: Beasts of England | May 17, 2015 at 11:49 AM
Excellent pieces clarice; however may I suggest next time you're on the ceiling over a bunch of media types you take the form of either a bull or an elephant or maybe a bull elephant so the more oblivious ones will be aware of the message you leave them. : )
Posted by: Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki | May 17, 2015 at 11:57 AM
I found this within a post someone linked here yesterday:
Posted by: Man Tran | May 17, 2015 at 12:05 PM
Man Tran,
I bet they could pick up riders if they re-instituted the smoking cars. LOL!
Posted by: Miss Marple | May 17, 2015 at 12:08 PM
A decent choir boy who just happened to attend a bash (with Couric and rose) at Jeffrey Epstein's apt two weks after the pedophile was convicted. We have different ideas about choir boys and decency than the media does, apparently.
Posted by: clarice | May 17, 2015 at 12:31 PM
So we are told Rs are not concerned about funding Amtrak, yet at the same time are responsible for forcing them to run unprofitable routes. Yet (to repost from the last thread), it turns out the latter is historically false:
About 5 minutes of research shows the Kirsten and Juan are full of it (big surprise).
http://www.downsizinggovernment.org/transportation/privatizing-amtrak
Montana had two D senators in 1971 (Metcalf and Mansfield). I presume the WV senator referred to is Byrd, but in any case WV had two D senators in 1971 as well, as did Indiana.
Posted by: jimmyk | May 17, 2015 at 12:31 PM
Iggy....
Posted by: clarice | May 17, 2015 at 12:31 PM
The lap dog media has become the lap dance media.
Can't help myself, sorry:
Posted by: jimmyk | May 17, 2015 at 12:33 PM
After reading Clarice's usual wonderful Sunday morning gift, I ran across the LUN. Sifting out the mutations...
Posted by: Man Tran | May 17, 2015 at 12:35 PM
And here's another useful fact about Amtrak:
http://www.economics21.org/commentary/PRRIA-2015-amtrak-reform-subsidies-privatization-2015-03-06
Yeah, they're underfunded.
Posted by: jimmyk | May 17, 2015 at 12:36 PM
The GOP might be slightly less inclined to dine at the Amtrak trough but the fact is fill a trough and pigs of every persuasion avail themselves.
Liberals being useless in every conceivable way invariably come up with some good government oxymoronic solution which always involves building and filling a bigger trough to eliminate waste and fraud.
The GOP vows, falsely, to build a trough halfway between the old and new and only eat its fill.
Meanwhile people who suggest it might be a good idea for the trough to be dismantled and the pigs turned into productive citizens or bacon are dismissed as cranks.
Posted by: Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki | May 17, 2015 at 12:48 PM
I thought my 11:46 post had just been contradicted by one of the morning shows, but not to worry. While they addressed her lack of media interaction, they did so in a manner of advice. She needs to do this, she should be aware of that. Ugh.
Not to be outdone, the host tried to mitigate the difference in media questions taken between Slick and Pantsuit since her announcement: 39:9. The host said that they have agreed that he would answer questions about their foundation.
Got it? It's not up to the press or the people to decide if she'll answer slush fund questions - Bill and Hil have already decided! The topic has been declared invisible for the queen.
But don't say bossy, or pushy, or entitled, or...
Posted by: Beasts of England | May 17, 2015 at 12:48 PM
jimmyk,
Network Rail in the UK is going on strike the 25th. Havoc to ensue since it is a bank holiday. They have over 100 union employees - signal workers, rail maintainers, etc.) who make over £100K per year. Some more than £150K per year. Network Rail is the nationaized successor to the private Railtrack that couldn't maintain their privatized concession. The passenger service operators are all private with regulated fareboxes much like utilities and their repective PSC's.
At Amtrak, they have a captive food and beverage market on their trains yet lose over $400 million a year. I'd start with the whole shebang top to bottom and work the waste out but you can't. The unions! Almost impossible to increase labor efficiency and productivity under those kind of archaic work rules, CBA's and mismanagement.
Posted by: Jack is Lightnings! | May 17, 2015 at 12:50 PM
Got it? It's not up to the press or the people to decide if she'll answer slush fund questions - Bill and Hil have already decided! The topic has been declared invisible for the queen.
The MFM is really lashing themselves to the mast of the HMS Pantsuit despite sooper campaigner Slick never being able to get over on half of the electorate to believe he's anything other than lying trash. Or worse.
Posted by: Captain Hate | May 17, 2015 at 01:08 PM
I've been wondering how many Amtrak tickets between NY and Washington are purchased on official Fed gov't travel orders. I bet a lot. If you add state, city and personal travel of all gov't employees I bet the whole thing looks like a feedback circuit of waste and graft.
Posted by: Skoot | May 17, 2015 at 01:13 PM
The Indian Princess apparently wowed all of the 1%ers in my neck of the woods yesterday.
There's nothing bettah than raking in the cash at a $20 million Emerald Bay estate overlooking a private beach among the plutocrats on a sunny Saturday evening.
And Loretta Sanchez, who used to flirt with me, seems to have hurt Kamala Harris' feelings. They're both a pair of phonies.
Posted by: matt | May 17, 2015 at 01:27 PM
For the CA JOM contingent who will the Rs support to counter Kamala?
Posted by: glasater | May 17, 2015 at 01:35 PM
Almost undoubtedly doesn't matter, glasater.
Posted by: Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki | May 17, 2015 at 01:47 PM
You should run, iggy.
Posted by: jimmyk | May 17, 2015 at 01:48 PM
George did his obligatory mea culpa on TW but it was drowned out by Cruz/Jeb running away from Iraq.
If only they had known....lol.
Posted by: Ben | May 17, 2015 at 01:56 PM
I guess my last comment rendered everyone speechless.
Posted by: jimmyk | May 17, 2015 at 02:18 PM
Hilarious Reliable Sources this morning. That show stunk with Kurtz but it's worse now. Remarkably they entirely skipped over ABC 'stealing' Washington Free Beacon's scoop and giving it to Politico. They did have time for Joe Wilson, yup that guy, who said something that I couldn't understand at 3x fast forward. And time to ask the Clinton Cash author if the 8 corrections coming in the next addition discredits the book. Really.
Posted by: East Bay Jay | May 17, 2015 at 02:21 PM
Come on Fox News Get in Hillarys face about the Foundation
Force her to answer
In a recent shot it looked like she was actually running away from the mediay
Posted by: maryrose | May 17, 2015 at 02:26 PM
Fox won't get in her face. Murdoch gave $1 million to that foundation, maryrose.
Posted by: Miss Marple | May 17, 2015 at 02:42 PM
OK, let's say Bush had NOT gone into Iraq. What would the dems have said?
Bush ignored intelligence from CIA and UK and France and Germany! Head in the sand! Coward!
Bush doesn't care about the atrocities! Heartless! Supports killing women and children!
Bush is coddling a dictator! Oil buddies!
I hate these people. I also will not vote for anyone who dodges the real question, which is the democrats went to war with the US military and the Republicans (especially Bush), rather than Iraq. They are unpatriotic and think nothing of losing a war to advance their agenda.
Any Republican who avoids this issue is a coward.
Posted by: Miss Marple | May 17, 2015 at 02:46 PM
She can't hide clever in this stealth campaign
When I compare this poor excuse for getting people to vote for her to 2008
She appears lackluster and tired
The real weasel behind her throne is Cheryl Mills
We need to get her on perjury and then flip her to rat out the Clintons Shes lied for them before but this time we have to nail her
There's a best seller in this and possibly immunity if the Benghazi committee likes what it hears from her
Posted by: maryrose | May 17, 2015 at 02:50 PM
MM
Coulda woulda shoulda
This question is a waste of time
I want to know what each candidate wants to do about ISIS now
Posted by: maryrose | May 17, 2015 at 02:53 PM
MM, get outta my head, girl!
Posted by: clarice | May 17, 2015 at 03:15 PM
Unless the GOP apparatchiks use this glaring admission, the MSM will gloss over it. There must be boycotts. There must be sessions in which this matter is raised by the interviewee. Not just when GS is present but everywhere on ABC.
On the other networks, the inquisitor must be asked about similar donations.
The GOP "establishment" is stupid, but is it that stupid? This is a golden opportunity to show bias, repeatedly show bias.
Posted by: MarkO | May 17, 2015 at 03:23 PM
Some argue, that until this scandal it would ave seemed petulant, if not paranoid for the Republicans to raise this. Now it isn't. It's time to pressure the RNC and the candidates to refuse to play this charade any longer.
Posted by: clarice | May 17, 2015 at 03:26 PM
--You should run, iggy.--
Believe me, jimmy, I know what's best for this state. Unfortunately the Hulagu Khan Party hasn't qualified for the ballot in CA...yet.
Posted by: Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki | May 17, 2015 at 03:26 PM
MM, I repeated your post on FB where it is today's big winner.
Posted by: clarice | May 17, 2015 at 03:28 PM
Right on, Clarice.
Posted by: MarkO | May 17, 2015 at 03:29 PM
--The GOP "establishment" is stupid, but is it that stupid?--
Jeremiah 13:23.
Posted by: Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki | May 17, 2015 at 03:32 PM
Thank you, clarice.
I am fed up. It is ridiculous to me that I can figure out a better strategy and retort than any of these lame brains who get on TV and are so damn afraid to say anything.
If we are going to lose anyway because of fraud and the stupid electorate, then at least go down fighting!
I would spend more time on this except that I am trying to get my shipping done for tomorrow. I overslept this morning so I have to go to the dreaded "teen mass" at 6PM, which does not put me in a worshipful mood, since the readings will be done by teens who do not speak up and the music is heavy on drums and guitars.
Grumble.
Posted by: Miss Marple | May 17, 2015 at 03:37 PM
XOXO,MM
Posted by: clarice | May 17, 2015 at 03:48 PM
MM,
Frederick is serving Spanish Mass at 5pm today with his two Hispanic clasmates and best friends. We love it. Energetic, great music and singing. Everyone is smiling and happy. And contrary to universal opinion, they as a community are very conservative, family oriented, pro-life and spiritual. Its our favorite mass.
Bongo drums and guitars are the 12pm mass:)
Posted by: Jack is Lightnings! | May 17, 2015 at 03:54 PM
(Stopping by to reply as I just printed another label.)
Jack, no one can accuse me of becoming Catholic because of the MUSIC. Either it's the guitars or the lame-o hymns which sound heavy on crunchy granola. We have good hymns in the hymnal, but do we ever sing them? No. It's always stuff from the 70's. Hardly ever do we get anything with a melody from Handel or Beethoven. And our organist, who is very talented, hardly ever plays the organ because SOMEONE TOLD HIM HE WAS SHOWING OFF. So he plays the piano.
Our Hispanic mass is at 1 in the afternoon but since it is totally in Spanish I don't go, as it would be like when I sat through the Christmas Mass in Rome. I couldn't respond to anything and just stood up when everyone else did and went up for the Eucharist after the old lady next to me got up.
Back to work.
Posted by: Miss Marple | May 17, 2015 at 04:03 PM
MM, I am quite sure no harm will come to your immortal soul if you don't go to a Mass that puts you in such a foul mood.
All these nifty rules our Church has--creations of extremely fallible men,
no matter how well intended. Go tomorrow morning instead.
That spirit of law, rather than the letter, thing.
And if I am wrong--we can hang out in hell together. ;-)
Posted by: anonamom | May 17, 2015 at 04:19 PM
There is a 530 Mass at St Angela's near me and we call it the deadbeat Mass because everyone who attends either had plans earlier in the day or was out too late Saturday night
Posted by: maryrose | May 17, 2015 at 04:25 PM
I don't believe in hell except for really bad people
I know you won't be sent there for missing Mass or eating meat on a Friday in Lent
I also believe our time on earth is a. Erosion of Purgatory
Anyone with a long illness is serving purgatory time
Posted by: maryrose | May 17, 2015 at 04:29 PM
Should be version but erosion also works
Posted by: maryrose | May 17, 2015 at 04:31 PM
Oh, don't anyone worry. I am mad at myself for oversleeping this morning.
I will be in a cheerful mood by the time I go, and maybe Father Francis, our Indian priest, will be the celebrant.
I follow the rules. Maybe it's why I get so mad at democrats, because they don't. LOL!
Posted by: Miss Marple | May 17, 2015 at 04:32 PM
One Golden Clinton to rule them all!
Posted by: jorod | May 17, 2015 at 04:36 PM
CC Presidential Straw Poll - 2016
http://commoncts.blogspot.com/2015/05/cc-presidential-straw-poll-2016.html
Posted by: Steve | May 17, 2015 at 04:41 PM
The GOP "establishment" is stupid, but is it that stupid?
A challenge they never fail to surmount.
Posted by: Captain Hate | May 17, 2015 at 04:46 PM
Want to see a reporter who doesn't have to cover for them reporting on the Clintons?
"Attkisson concludes her piece with a “A Medley of Missing Documents Through the Years,” running from 1988 through just last week. How many of these do you remember?
Missing: Hillary Clinton S&L Records
Missing: Clinton Counsel’s Foster Records
Missing: Clinton Counsel’s Foster Suicide Note
Missing: Hillary Clinton Law Firm Records
Missing: Bush Administration Energy Emails
Missing: Clinton Terrorism Documents
Missing: Bush Administration ‘Torture’ Documents
Missing: Millions of Bush Administration Emails
Lost and Found: Katrina Conference Call Transcript
Missing: Bush Administration’s Abramoff Emails
Missing: Bush Administration Political Emails
Missing: Bush Administration Interrogation Video
Withheld: Obama Administration ‘Fast and Furious’ Documents
Missing: Obama State Department Records
Missing: Obama Administration IRS Emails
Missing: Obama HealthCare.gov Records
Missing: Obama EPA Records
Missing: Hillary Clinton Benghazi Documents
Missing: Obama EPA Text Messages"
one more thing to remember about Clinton and missing e-mails. They are only missing from Americans; our enemies have them all because Clinton had them on her private service.
http://twitchy.com/2014/10/18/sharyl-attkisson-investigates-hillary-clintons-document-sifter-cheryl-mills/
Posted by: pagar | May 17, 2015 at 05:07 PM
"Coulda woulda shoulda
This question is a waste of time"
True, but even so, if the MSM wants to play that game, the right answer is that if we knew then what we know now, we certainly should have gone in, because we could have avoided the mistakes that prolonged the war. Knowing the future is a huge advantage in war (and in many other activities).
That's in addition of course to knowing not to abandon the place to ISIS and wasting the victory that we'd achieved.
Posted by: jimmyk on iPhone | May 17, 2015 at 05:20 PM
evening all, great pieces, Clarice, I was pointing out how Judith Miller's memoir is an enlightening and simultaneously infuriating exercise, and Kurtz played a part in setting the narrative for it, using the word of one disgruntled member of a Army WMD Search group, to defame the whole effort, publishing the email exchange between Miller and Burns, and casting in negative lights, Bill Keller of Carlos Slims, most recently attached to another Soros corp exercise, also comes off very badly,
Posted by: narciso | May 17, 2015 at 05:41 PM
so clearly I regard Kurtz as enemy action, Miller's review of the evidence of the run up to war, would properly have forced the resignation of most of Carlos Slim's newsroom, including the insufferable Chris Hedges now at TruthDig, it leaves many open questions, as to the verdict of no viable WMD program,
my anger with the Dauphin, I've downgraded him, is how he refused to make an argument for a long drawn out endeavor, which did succeed for a time,
Posted by: narciso | May 17, 2015 at 05:47 PM
Excellent, substantive comments by squaredance in the previous thread!
And I thank the Captain for the morning show report.
As for the "If you knew what you know today" question about Iraq, has one of these candidates responded with "If I knew how badly Obama would f*k it up, no, I wouldn't have put the innocent Iraqis or our brave servicemen through that."
Anyone who couldn't think of that simple response, even extemporaneously, was off his game. Jeb couldn't come close after multiple tries over several excruciating days. Apparently, he doesn't even have a game to be off of.
Posted by: Extraneus | May 17, 2015 at 05:48 PM
Sounds the Waco shooters are a lot more accurate.
http://www.kwtx.com/home/headlines/Waco-Shooting-Near-Twin-Peaks-In-Waco-304043711.html
"What will the warmest forecasted weekend of the year bring us? Likely a lot of really stupid people doing a lot of really stupid shit.
Stupidity Tally as of 12:00p: 1 killed, 38 wounded"
Chicago Report from: http://heyjackass.com/
Posted by: pagar | May 17, 2015 at 05:50 PM
As for the "If you knew what you know today" question about Iraq, has one of these candidates responded with "If I knew how badly Obama would f*k it up, no, I wouldn't have put the innocent Iraqis or our brave servicemen through that."
I keep waiting for that response instead of everybody, including Rubio, mincing around it like a bunch of mewling quims.
Posted by: Captain Hate | May 17, 2015 at 05:53 PM
It was a rare and golden opportunity, Captain. I'd have recommended a riff on "We're leaving a sovereign, stable and self-reliant Iraq," just to piss them off even more.
Posted by: Extraneus | May 17, 2015 at 06:03 PM
Nine dead in Waco? Is that the largest death toll from biker gang dispute?
Posted by: Beasts of England | May 17, 2015 at 06:03 PM
Jimmyk
I believe sometimes that I am the only one who thinks that regardless of the Syrian bound WMD s we should have taken out Saddam and tried to bring democracy to Iraq
By putting Obama in charge we let a doofus squander our accomplishments
Last I looked Afghanistan was a mess too
As long as we play the Dems game of rewriting history and blaming Bush is another we don't zero in on every single FUNAR of Hussein Obama
This next election should t even be close
Hussein is lucky he and his anti American wife haven't been run out of town on a rail or tar and feathered
Posted by: maryrose | May 17, 2015 at 06:07 PM
nice Loki reference there, Captain,
http://www.weaselzippers.us/223844-dem-congresswoman-caught-making-questionable-comment-about-native-americans-claims-targeted-by-other-dems/
there's a thin line,. ..ah forget it,
re Abu Sayyaf, he seems to be as substantial as Harvey the invisible rabbit, first it's a kunya or battle name, one assumes he is Tunisians, who were among the nastiest sort of fighters in Iraq, the one who ordered the death of Tucker and Mechaca, was a Tunisian,
Posted by: narciso | May 17, 2015 at 06:07 PM
Instead, they had all of the Republicans on the run, "forcing" them to renounce Bush.
Even Obama could have handled that if the tables were turned.
Posted by: Extraneus | May 17, 2015 at 06:10 PM
the problem was not Saddam, as we now know, the core of ISIS are Sunni Baathists, the ones who killed Kurds and Shia for sport, not unlike the Klan who were ex Confederates, including fmr Quantrill Raiders, and did the same to blacks, and sympathetic whites during reconstruction,
Posted by: narciso | May 17, 2015 at 06:10 PM
If a Republican had screwed up Benghazi like Hil did we at this point would be at the sentencing stage of a trial for negligence and failure to perform duties taken under oath
She will not skate on this or her Foundation gritting and lies
Posted by: maryrose | May 17, 2015 at 06:11 PM
I checked in on a tech-weenie site today, and I learned that the media are controlled by Republicans. Who knew? :)
And these sorts vote.
Posted by: DrJ | May 17, 2015 at 06:13 PM
if Abu Sayyaf, who is named after the Saudi educated Afghan warlord, who sponsored the majority of foreign fighter during the Afghan War, were such a big deal, we wouldn't be pointing out the information we recovered, or his associates, we would blast the place to bits, and let the Jayvee's figure out what went wrong,
Posted by: narciso | May 17, 2015 at 06:20 PM
Narciso
We need more blasting the place to bits
Also we need someone to take Kim Yung Il
Posted by: maryrose | May 17, 2015 at 06:26 PM
I checked in on a tech-weenie site today, and I learned that the media are controlled by Republicans. Who knew?
Dumb techies are the absolute worst.
Posted by: Captain Hate | May 17, 2015 at 06:30 PM
Deir er Zour, is not such a surprising target, in fact it's the closest proximate location to Iraqi
bases, if the operation had happened in Aleppo or
even in Raqqua, that would have been a surprise,
Posted by: narciso | May 17, 2015 at 06:30 PM
CH-many have no idea why the world cannot work like a well-designed system.
Posted by: rse | May 17, 2015 at 06:36 PM
It will be hard to escape the camps with them in charge.
Posted by: Captain Hate | May 17, 2015 at 06:37 PM
What about his wife, narc? I read that "we" captured her and CNN was saying she was a big-shot terrorist.
And speaking of Muslims, I've been reading Tolstoy's short stories and am currently on Hadji Murad.
It's interesting to read how hard the Russians had it with them, and how similar so much of it seems to today. Fierce warriors with multiple wives in their tent-camps. Chechens. Imams. Let me get the book and quote the translation.
Imam: The leader in the Holy War, uniting in himself supreme spiritual and temporal power.
Somewhere around 1850 or so, but the translation was from 2001.
Posted by: Extraneus | May 17, 2015 at 06:37 PM
btw, Gus, Boykin is no weenie, he was in the Iran hostage rescue attempt, Colombia, Somalia, and everywhere in between, but it wasn't till he was revealed to be a committed Christian, that he ran into trouble,
Posted by: narciso | May 17, 2015 at 06:38 PM
maybe, Ext, the Russians have been fighting in the Caucasus, off and on, since 1785, the first wave was in Catherine's day, almost a footnote in the Great Upheaval, the Cossacks, also lends context to the region, Grozny was established as a fortress under Yermelov, the terror to the Chechens,
Posted by: narciso | May 17, 2015 at 06:42 PM
Ext, I just read that and yes, the disconnect from the Chechens and Rooskis didn't begin recently. Btw I read it after reading "A Constellation of Vital Phenomena" by Anthony Marra, which was strongly influenced by it, and I highly recommend it.
Posted by: Captain Hate | May 17, 2015 at 06:44 PM
A good.book to read is the Haj
But don't be taken in by its slanted view of the Palestinians
Posted by: maryrosee | May 17, 2015 at 06:45 PM
Lermontov's A Hero of Our Time was also set in the Caucasus.
Posted by: Captain Hate | May 17, 2015 at 06:48 PM
I think the Putin thread is the shortest one ever
Posted by: maryrosee | May 17, 2015 at 06:49 PM
Hey Jeff
Who knew that starting a thread about you know what would finally put an end to the discussion
Posted by: maryrosee | May 17, 2015 at 06:51 PM
I checked in on a tech-weenie site today, and I learned that the media are controlled by Republicans. Who knew? :)
Oh I hear that daily!
Posted by: Jane | May 17, 2015 at 06:54 PM
"if Abu Sayyaf, who is named after the Saudi educated Afghan warlord, who sponsored the majority of foreign fighter during the Afghan War, were such a big deal, "
At some point Americans might notice that taking out these supposed "leaders" doesn't do a damn thing (other than allow the media to pretend that Obama is actually accomplishing something) because there are always six more ready to take their place. Meanwhile, I see that ISIS has taken control of Ramadi. Shockingly they didn't just lay down their weapons and convert to Judaism when they lost the great Sayaf.
Posted by: jimmyk on iPad | May 17, 2015 at 06:55 PM
Incredible that the JV doesn't get deterred and morose when one of their crummy superstars is taken out. Maybe that's why they're the JV.
Posted by: Captain Hate | May 17, 2015 at 06:58 PM
well Abu was still kicking around the time, of the last Afghan when he was Karzai's designated candidate, but the point still applies, btw Al Douri who was Saddam's number 2, is still pining for the fjords, and very much alive,
Posted by: narciso | May 17, 2015 at 06:58 PM
Jane,
Oh I hear that daily!
Really? Is this believed? If so, all I can say is WOW.
Posted by: DrJ | May 17, 2015 at 06:59 PM
Yes, Jimmy. The AP article I read about it claimed that since Sayyaf was the "oil and gas" guy, an "administration official" said that ISIS wouldn't be able to derive any revenue from oil or gas for a while.
Right.
Posted by: Extraneus | May 17, 2015 at 07:01 PM
Sharpton daughter suing NYC for $5M over severe sprained ankle
Posted by: Extraneus | May 17, 2015 at 07:03 PM
Posted by: Extraneus | May 17, 2015 at 07:04 PM
maryrose:
Who knew that starting a thread about you know what would finally put an end to the discussion
Well, remember I also put up a birther thread, and that topic has pretty much gone the way of the birds.
But unfortunately the reason for that is the lamentable fact that DoT has decided to exit for now.
I would gladly put up with birther shit to have him back.
Posted by: Jeff Dobbs | May 17, 2015 at 07:04 PM
Maryrose,
"Also we need someone to take Kim Yung Il"
Kerry is on that;
http://www.weaselzippers.us/223793-master-negotiator-kerry-iran-nuclear-deal-could-be-positive-for-north-korea-too/
If anyone believes that?
Posted by: pagar | May 17, 2015 at 07:04 PM
Well, corporations own all the media and corporations are all owned by Republicans. If only a hippie commune would buy a major news outlet, then the left would stand a fair chance...
Posted by: Beasts of England | May 17, 2015 at 07:04 PM
Posted by: Extraneus | May 17, 2015 at 07:05 PM
Russian police detain activists at gay flashmob in Moscow
Biphobia? Who the hell is afraid of bisexuals?
Posted by: Extraneus | May 17, 2015 at 07:10 PM
Really? Is this believed? If so, all I can say is WOW.
Every progressive on earth believes it. They also believe George Bush lost the Iraq war and caused the rise of Isis, and that whites are finally getting what they deserve, and that Baltimore is the fault of the republicans, and the Amtrak crash was because of too little funding, and that Paul Krugman is a God.
Oh and the whole Hillary think is a figment of the Koch Brothers. I could go on, but I won't.
Posted by: Jane | May 17, 2015 at 07:10 PM
Knowing how Mayor Bane handles these things (like the settlement with the Central Park rapists) my guess is he'll offer $2.5M to settle.
Posted by: jimmyk on iPad | May 17, 2015 at 07:10 PM
corporations are all owned by Republicans.
I had no idea. The things one learns on the Internet!
Posted by: DrJ | May 17, 2015 at 07:11 PM
Our Orlando City MLS team is killing the defending champiions, LA Galaxy, all the way back to Hollywooe 4-0. Orlando is a frist year team.
This is like the Jags in their first year defeating whoever was the Super Bowl winner the year before 40 to 0. I don't know if Frank Lampard made the right decision to go to LA:)
The excuse: We had to fly East.
Posted by: Jack is Lightnings! | May 17, 2015 at 07:11 PM