Back In Baltimore

The prosecutor in the Freddie Gray death announces what might be hasty, politically motivated charges and a city calms down. For now, at least:

Baltimore’s Mood Shifts From Grim to Elated After Charges Are Announced

...

“It seems like we’re finally getting justice,” said Gary Thornton, 29, who lives in East Baltimore.

Tashira Skinner, his friend, interjected, “It won’t be justice until they say guilty.”

There is that pesky matter of trials and convictions. The Times follows up on the challenges facing the prosecutor:

Baltimore Prosecutor Faces National History of Police Acquittals

With an unexpectedly speedy and sweeping announcement on Friday of homicide and abuse-of-power charges against six police officers in the death of Freddie Gray, Baltimore’s chief prosecutor sent an unmistakable signal that the days when police misconduct drew a wrist slap are over.

It was a bold gesture, experts say — and a risky one. For the pledge may be an empty gesture unless prosecutors secure convictions in Mr. Gray’s death.

They say "empty gesture", I say "over-reaching, pandering disaster"; time will tell. At some point actual evidence and facts may be important, but I would guess that acquittals would inflame the city and (further) de-legitimize the criminal justice system in the eyes of many.

Both history and the circumstances of the case unveiled on Friday hint that it will be anything but easy. Brutality cases against police officers are notoriously difficult to win, and much about the case, including the evidence against the officers and their defense, remains unknown.

I don't know much about the evidence either, but if the police officers really did find Freddie Gray unconscious and unresponsive in the back of the van without seeking immediate medical intervention, then a "reckless disregard" type charge seems supportable. This is from the NY Times timeline - Stop 4 was the last stop before the van went to the Western District police station:

Stop No. 4: [Prosecutor] Ms. Mosby said Officer Goodson was met here by Officers Nero, Miller and Porter. Sgt. Alicia D. White and Officers Porter and Goodson observed “Mr. Gray unresponsive on the floor,” Ms. Mosby said. Sergeant White spoke to the back of Mr. Gray’s head, and he did not respond. “Despite Mr. Gray’s seriously deteriorating medical condition, no medical assistance was rendered or summoned for Mr. Gray at that time by any officer,” Ms. Mosby said.

That said, the idea of "false imprisonment" charges based on the absence of a legitimate basis for arrest seems like a stretch. My presumption is that there is (or ought to be) some sort of a good faith exception. A key part of the dispute here seems to be whether Mr. Gray's knife was legal or not. Presumably the defense will argue that either (a) the knife was in fact illegal (or a parole violation?), or (b) the knife was close enough to illegal that the officers made a good faith mistake. Attorney Andrew Branca at Legal Insurrection has lots more:

Arrests often go uncharged, and charges are often dismissed, and defendants are even acquitted at trial, often based upon a later conclusion that the underlying facts which suggested a crime are untrue or mistaken.  None of these outcomes makes the initial arrest illegal.

When an officer makes an arrest based on an articulable statement of probable cause, that arrest becomes illegal only if the officer knew or reasonably should have known that no crime had, in fact, been committed.

In short, police are entitled to make reasonable mistakes, and such a reasonable mistake does not make the arrest illegal.

Such a mistake may, of course, make further prosecution of the offense impractical or outright unjust.  But that’s a completely different matter than whether an arrest was unlawful.

One important lesson has been learned here - let's cut back to the initial Times coverage describing the charges:

Standing on a nearby street corner, Renee James, 48, said, “There’s no need to go tear up the city no more.”

Her friend Antoinnette White, 53, said of the riot: “Hurting innocent people was nonsense. I cried.”

But Abdullah Moaney, 53, an information technology worker from East Baltimore, said that “peace has lost its credibility.” Seeking to justify the violence that broke out Monday, he said that “if it wasn’t for the riot,” charges would not have been filed.

Muslims have figured it out, and now some Americans are figuring it out - non-violence is for patsies, and the squeaky wheel gets the grease.

Comments

[DebinNC]

I hope the riots have ended O'Malley's POTUS chances. One clear winner is the Fraternal Order of Police, which every LE officer in America should join asap, as vindictive, aggrieved Mosbys everywhere are eager to make a name for themselves. I'm looking forward to the inevitable cage-match between MS "It's our time" Mosby and Mayor "It's just property" R-B for supremacy.

[Gentlejim]

Jane,
Does area need to be equal between the two new countries? I say we pack them in tight like they seem to prefer their subjects. That way all of H's villagers can be close to help raise one another. Another neat benefit will be the reduction of their collective carbon footprint thereby saving the planet for the rest of us.

[narciso]

that was what most concerned David Simon, not the lives lost, businesses destroyed, but that the GOP might benefit from this disaster,

[Miss Marple]

Nytol!

[narciso]

and why did we hear of Simon, because of something called the Marshall Project, spearheaded by this fellow:

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=1825

[Jane on Ipad]

Because we will have secure borders. They need permission to fly over.

[Beasts of England]

I don't have a link, but the county-by-county map after the 2014 election was very sparsely dotted with blue in the expected locales. Plenty of land mass to choose from for reality-based America.

The most important factor in any division, though, is keeping the good golf courses. That, unfortunately, will be a real problem. With only one exception, Augusta National, the other top-ten tracks are deep blue. Dang it!!

[Jane on Ipad]

Well Gentlejim, if Obama or Kerry do the negotiating they will end up with San Francisco for their entire country.

[Beasts of England]

Jane wins the Internet!!

[Gentlejim]

Sold...

[DrJ]

they will end up with San Francisco for their entire country.

Does that mean that "we" get Berkeley and Oakland and Marin County? Really?

[narciso]

the UK may face something similar:

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/politics-news/shake-up-only-safe-bet-in-british-election/story-fn9hkofv-1227330813240

[henry]

Yeah, swap San Fran for Berkeley, Oakland & Marin. Dirty Harry would approve.

[The Infamous Ignatz]

I said it before but I'll say it again, the guys with the guns get their pick.
We should march them over those Sonoma sea cliffs like lemmings and they can swim for the Farollan Islands to set up the people's republic.

[Janet]

While "failing" Americans try to raise our kids right, save to buy a home, save for our kids education, work hard, .... the left is constantly peddling their poison - lust, envy, sloth,...to OUR kids too. All they do is make our lives harder.

Instead of listening to leftists piss & moan about how lousy America is...How bout Baltimore let itself be the ultimate leftist city & let's see how all their great ideas work.
...legalize pot, hell legalize all drugs. Close down the "evil" police force. Start bringing all the illegals there, since the left tells us that is a positive thing. Raise the minimum wage to 20...no...50 bucks an hour & let us see how many businesses open there. Put an abortion "clinic" on every street corner & let them operate with NO regulations.
Give out needles to all drug users. Ban cars & make everyone walk or ride a bike. Outlaw the use of fossil fuels...only solar panels are allowed in "green" Baltimore. Shut down churches. Build more mosques. Stop immunizations. Stop selling meat & make the people have vegan or vegetarian diets. Only build tiny houses out of recycled "green" materials. Peddle sex, sex, sex at every opportunity as the #1 most important thing in all of life. Sex anytime, anywhere, with anybody or anything.

Take all the leftist ideas & make Baltimore implement them to the nth degree.
Baltimore can be a 3rd world slum like millions & millions of places around the world.

[Beasts of England]

Between a little too much sun and copious amounts of umbrella drinks and Woodford Reserve, I'm not seeing myself headed down to a sports bar in an hour to watch the fight. Too pooped to pucker, as my dear old Mom likes to say.

Nytol

[The Infamous Ignatz]

Has Iran gone all-in on killing the Saudi regime?"

[Jane on Ipad]

Is the fight over? Who won?

[Jane on Ipad]

It hasn't started? Wow!

[narciso]

I had that on the other thread, at first I thought
the threat lay in the Shia dominated Hasa and Hejaz provinces, which happens to be where the oil field
lie and the pipelines run along, but if it's not limited to there, katie bar the door,

[GUS]

Janet, great post 9:59. It's painful to realize what America has become. My boy is going into High School this fall. He is just 14, and he is a normal boy with EXTREMELY HIGH MORALS and STANDARDS. He is enrolled in THEEEE BEST H.S. in Wisconsin, and he will be an Eagle Scout just after turning 15. He sings in the choir, and he he performed on GUITAR with CHEAP TRICK a year and a half ago at 12. He came in 3rd in State forensics tournament as both a 7th and 8th grader. He knows HOW TO THINK.
He is going to make it. God help those who are slovenly. There is an ill wind blowing, and we need to be prepared.

[henry]

A quiet nudge from the Isrealis (enemy of my enemy) could smack Obama and Khameni at the same time. Especially if the Egyptians get cash to act (from Israel?). I'll have another beer & ponder the possibilities.

[Dave (in MA)]

Today's trifecta of who-gives-a-shit... some horses ran in a circle, some minorities are going to punch each other in the head for $millions and the Tampon of Wales has a granddaughter.

[GUS]

Henry, I'm going to tell you the truth. I have a ROLLING ROCK no the table.

I denounce myself...of course.

Are you drinking Henry Home brew??

[GUS]

As a Half-Brit, (son of a Scottish Mom), I am laughing. First time I've ever heard such a DOUCHEBAG called a TAMPON.

[henry]

Gus, no homebrew, drank it all again, need to get supplies and make more. Drinking a Sierra Nevada Torpedo (pinkie extended, natch). Helped some scouts get their recycling badges this morning -- dropped two TVs (with dials, not remotes, they had never seen such contraptions up close) off at the town free electronics drop off. I put the TVs in the truck myself, but it took two modern high schoolers to unload them into the bin. Gus Jr would have taken one under each arm. ; )

[narciso]

I've tried two of the other IPA's in that line, but
the Sierra Nevada, is the best,

[Dave (in MA)]

GUS, it wasn't my idea, it was his.
http://expressindia.indianexpress.com/news/fullstory.php?newsid=44686

[clarice]

Gus, aren't you lucky?

Janet, I love your plan.

If we're dividing up the country who will defend the other half? I mean if microaggressions send them all to fainting couches and blankies.

[The Infamous Ignatz]

Ed Driscoll with a superb essay on the closing of the progressive mind and its embrace of evil.

A must read, IMO.

[Dave (in MA)]

Blue Hills Quarter Mile Double IPA

[GUS]

I think microaggressions should be called WeeWee-aggressions.

Fecking nonsense.

[GUS]

Clarice, it's the only job I have THAT MATTERS. Henry knows the boy, he's a normal kid, and he likes to shoot various firearms.

[henry]

Dave, I can't get that one here. (But you can't get spotted cow).

[GUS]

Henry, did we have spotted cow, when you saw the band play???

[henry]

Gus, yes. That and & Heineken. Also had Robin Vos "hold my beer" with a Spotted Cow when I got my picture with Walker.

[Dave (in MA)]

Henry, we're both missing out.

[henry]

Yes Dave. We are. Stupid Prohibition laws set up by progs are impeding our beer!

[GUS]

Perfect Henry, at least you didn't pour it over Robin's head!!!

That's been done before.

[henry]

Gus, Fitz told me about that one over G & Ts. ( Different event).

[GUS]

Henry, Ted came in Wednesday.

[henry]

Cool Gus. Do you watch his vids with Cuala?

[narciso]

in light of what Ledeen has uncovered:

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/240867-palin-obama-flirting-with-the-devil-on-iran

[GUS]

I've seen some of his back and forth with Chvala. What happened to Scott Jensen was disgusting. When TED was my Senator, Jensen lived ablock away from me. We'd chat at the grocery store. Ted is a good dude and I think a true conservative.

[Captain Haiku]

Captain notices
Discussion on random things
Were OK for now

[henry]

Yeah, Jensen got hosed in the prequel for John Doe, the series. Ted is a true conservative, but wired into GOPe. His son Nick is a heck of a baseball player.

[HAIKU GUS]

Exactly Henry.
We are on the very same page.
Another beer now.

[HAIKU GUS]

Fishing Weekend soon.
very far north Wisconsin
Al's cabin much beer.

Henry, guitars, basses, beer and fish. You might be interested!?!

Oh, and shotguns, pistolas, and rifles.

[HAIKU GUS]

Eric in Idaho.
Taught GUS proper Haiku.
Gus very grateful.

[jimmyk]

Catching up after a long day. I haven't seen this outrage discussed: Marilyn Mosby dissing investigations in other cities.

“It’s been 78 days since Michael Brown was shot in the street by a police officer,” Mosby said in October at her alma mater, Tuskegee University in Alabama. “It’s been 101 days since Eric Garner was choked to death in New York by a police officer, and 54 days since the New York City medical examiner ruled that incident a homicide. Neither has resulted in an indictment.”

As if (a) those have anything to do with the case she's responsible for; and (b) those haven't been handled properly. She ought to be fired just for that comment.

[HAIKU GUS]

JimmyK, why do you hate BLACK WYMYN.
Friend, it's FUCKING OBVIOUS. And NO ONE on the RIGHT fights back.

[Jane on Ipad]

Not a good post to end on, Gus, which is the sole reason I'm posting this.

[Jane on Ipad]

Someone said that before she was elected 4 months ago, the AG worked for an insurance company, which means her job was to work on personal injury cases. My guess is she never has tried a case. My guess is she has no experience in criminal law, or much of anything.

The absurdity of her age, her inexperience, her politics is beyond anything I can think of.

[Neo]

The Science is Settled ...

How Climate Model Complexity Influences Sea Ice Stability

We find that the stability of the ice cover vastly increases with the inclusion of spatial communication via meridional heat transport or a seasonal cycle in solar forcing, being most stable when both are included. If the associated parameters are set to values that correspond to the current climate, the ice retreat is reversible and there is no instability when the climate is warmed. The two parameters have to be reduced by at least a factor of 3 for instability to occur. This implies that the sea ice cover may be substantially more stable than has been suggested in previous idealized modeling studies.

... or more simply, Al Gore was WRONG when he said the Arctic would be "ice free" this year.

[Neo]

“GoFundMe cannot be used to benefit those who are charged with serious violations of the law.”

GoFundMe has now "refused to bake a cake” for these police who have the presumption of innocence, except at GoFundMe.

It's now easy to see why FFLs (Federal Firearm Licensees) are specifically given by statute the 'right to refuse' the sale of any firearm.

[Neo]

Now this is just plain scary ...

For the first time since the Ebola virus was discovered in 1976, a woman has been found to have very likely contracted the virus through unprotected sex with a man who survived the disease.

LUN

[pagar]

Clarice's Pieces -Out standing job, Clarice!

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2015/05/the_great_american_traveling_riot_circus.html

[Jack is Back]

Amen, Clarice. As Sgt. Friday would say, "only the facts, ma'am".

Every time I see Mosby's mug I see a person scared and out of their depth. She and her colleagues are going to get rolled big time. When that happens Baltimore will burn to the ground because no one will want to save it.

[Skoot]

Rich Lowry in NY Post on Brilliant Baltimore
Tax strategy

“Officials raised property taxes 21 times between 1950 and 1985,” Steve Hanke and Stephen Walters of Johns Hopkins University write in The Wall Street Journal, “channeling the proceeds to favored voting blocs and causing many homeowners and entrepreneurs — disproportionately Republicans — to flee.

“It was brilliant politics, as Democrats now enjoy an eight-to-one voter registration advantage.”

[DebinNC]

I don't see fear in Mosby. I see jubilant defiance. The chronology of events in Claire's piece reminds me of questions I keep failing to see answers to in the news. Whose job was it to strap FG into a seat. Mosby noted that Ofc. Goodson failed to do so 5 separate times, which would seem to indicate she thinks that's Goodson's job. If so, why charge the bike officers for failing to do so? The chronology also includes 25 yo Ofc. Porter, the youngest of the 6, showing up along the route to the hospital, checking on FG, and moving him from the floor to the bench. The 45 yo driver Ofc. Goodson was very senior to 25 yo Porter, so why does Mosby think Porter should have taken independent action and called EMTs when the more experienced Goodson hadn't/wouldn't? Mosby is a disgrace.

[DebinNC]

Oops. "Clarice", not "Claire" (my youngest's name)

[maryrose]

Who won the fight

[clarice]

Thanks. Mosby is some hell of a DA. Can there be any question that the three white cops were charged only for "diversity's" sake?

Interestingly the Baltimore Sun is reporting that twitter and media feeds on the riots were traced and did not originate in Baltimore, but in hostile countries. Who'd a thunk it? Stirring up this kettle for hostile purposes?

[maryrose]

The charges don't fit They are allowing the inmates to take over the asylum out of fear

[Jack is Back!]

Mayweather, unaminous decision.

[jimmyk]

Excellent Pieces, Clarice, though I didn't get this:

[M]any black Baltimoreans in the riot area turned out to try to prevent the looting and to stand as shield between the cops and the rioters. Bless the peacemakers.

Was the second group acting in protection of the cops, or protecting the rioters from the cops? I presume you mean the former, but the coverage I saw showed the police lined up with shields at what looked like 100 yards distance from the action. Was there a situation where the cops actually needed civilian help to protect themselves?

[jimmyk]

Since Mosby cited the Michael Brown and Eric Garner cases in her little speech I alluded to in my 1:01am, I'm wondering why she didn't also cite the crusades.

[maryrose]

clarice
Thank you again for writing the truth and exposing the false narrative

[clarice]

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-md-sun-investigates-social-media-gray-20150502-story.html

Jimmy K I could be wrong but it seemed to me that they were standing in front of the cops to stop the advancing rioters from approaching further.Perhaps the cops didn't need their action but it looked to me as if this was designed to bring about peace.

[Neo]

Too Many White Hip-Hop Fans Don’t Give a Shit About Black People
LUN

Also true ... Too Many Black Hip-Hop Fans Don’t Give a Shit About White People

... and all this proves ... what ? Nothing.

There is Love, Hate and Indifference. Love and Hate take effort. Indifference takes no effort.

99%+ of all relationships on this planet are based on indifference.

[DebinNC]

BOzo sees himself as a brilliant chessmaster, and I think he's purposely stoking these racial hotspots nationwide to facilitate his Affirmatively Furthering Fair Housing boondoggle. Once inner city groceries/pharmacies are burned down and gone forever, the only fair thing to do is export the underprivileged denizens into outlying "lands of plenty"- aka middle class neighborhoods all across America.

[Captain Hate on the iPad]

Martin O'Malley is trash and the sooner people realize that, the better. Keep talking about how people who lead responsible lives are failing the deadbeats, idiot; I'm starting to understand how a deep blue state can be turned.

[Jack is Back!]

An Apropos Poster:

[DebinNC]

Recent Gallup poll ranking % of states' residents who'd move out if they could - MD was 3rd at 46%, behind IL and CT. I see why.

[DebinNC]

Baltimore is 5th in spending (at $15,000 per pupil) among school systems with 40,000+ students.

[maryrose]

DebI NC
So true
Suburbs cannot accommodate them
Future chaos ensues

[Extraneus]

There is another act in this play:

The cops back off on the inner cities.

To protect themselves, they reduce interactions with the criminal element, thus allowing crime levels to increase.

This is what the situation was in NY City before Giuliani. I knew cops who'd describe how they'd get a call about a crime in progress in a certain area, give it ten or fifteen minutes to resolve itself, and only then show up at the scene.

Why bother risking your life or livelihood to protect people who think you're the enemy, when the politicians think so, too? It's a natural reaction.

[Captain Hate on the iPad]

Ya know who really fail America? Whore mothers who abandon their bastard children.

[maryrose]

My husband was born in Maryland and lived Hinsdale Illinois for a while as a boy
This violence sickens him

[DebinNC]

Michael Goodwin in the NY Post last week wrote about Baltimore needing to adopt Guiliani's "broken window policing" strategy that's worked well for 20 yrs.

"Consider Baltimore’s longstanding crime problem. It is one of the most violent cities in the country and has the fifth-highest murder rate, according to the FBI.
With a population of about 622,000, Maryland’s largest city had 235 murders in 2013. New York, with 8.4 million people, had 333 murders. If New York had Baltimore’s per-capita rate, it would have had 3,173 murders. That gives you a sense of how dangerous Baltimore was before the riots, and how little impact police there had on preventing crime. They lost the war long before this week’s mayhem."

[DebinNC]

This is what the situation was in NY City before Giuliani. I knew cops who'd describe how they'd get a call about a crime in progress in a certain area, give it ten or fifteen minutes to resolve itself, and only then show up at the scene

What will inner city white LE do now that shooting them is becoming a sport, complete with FB pics accompanied by gleeful, congratulatory comments? White officers must be leaving in droves for less pay but more chance of survival elsewhere.

[Extraneus]

Drudge:

Santorum expresses support for Bruce Jenner...

'If he says he's a woman, then he's a woman'...

[jimmyk]

Whore mothers who abandon their bastard children.

I think it's typically the fathers who literally abandon them, while the mothers neglect them. In Grey's case I think he had a "single mother" who's a drug addict. But your point stands. People need to take responsibility and stop blaming society, racism, etc.

[Lazybusy]

Clarice, thanks again for your efforts. You bring such a degree of common sense and a succinct way of capturing all that is happening in these situations.

[Jeff Dobbs]

The fight last night was pretty, no very, boring.

Mostly just a chessmatch with Mayweather dancing around keeping Pacquiao at bay. Pacquiao could never figure out how to get to him. Mayweather would land a few punches and win the round.

Rinse and repeat.

There was only one punch that really hurt either fighter - Pacquiao delivered it and Mayweather covered up - but Pacquiao couldn't punch through Mayweather's defense and gave up after 20 seconds or so so he wouldn't punch himself out. Other than that, just a bunch of jabs and crosses that were aimed only at scoring points with the judges.

Oh well. Good food and friends, so an evening well-spent. But it will be another 25 years at least before I spend any money to watch a boxing match.

Holy carp. I don't guess I've ever intentionally done the math on how long it's been since I started college. Now I feel old.

I better go do one of those things that'll make me feel like a college kid again. What can I do at 9:30 in the morning to achieve that? Of course....

[sbw]

'If he says he's a woman, then he's a woman'

I admire the way Corporal Clinger was treated on Mash. If he wanted, for whatever reason, to wear dresses, so long as he did his job and didn’t interfere with others, that was fine.

Clinger didn’t force his dresses on anyone else or claim that children should should be taught in public schools that anything goes (and be taught how).

Clinger was not a Johnny Weir, who was trying to shock to draw attention to himself (except when Clinger dressed up as the Statue of Liberty when General MacArthur drove through.) :-)

There is room in my world for Bruce Jenner next to Clinger, but I push back at feminazi’s of whatever sex.

[Captain Hate on the iPad]

jimmyk I was referring to Stanley Ann being the cause of a current problem but I agree with what you wrote.

[Jack is Back!]

The problem with "white priviledge" is it doesn't have the riot gene.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3065784/Plainclothes-police-officer-shot-head-New-York-traffic-stop.html

We have another NYPD white cop in critical condition after being shot in the head and chest while sitting in his unmarked police car.

[sbw]

So is their a difference between a community disorganizer and an anarchist?

[sbw]

there

I denounce myself

[sbw]

I denounce denouncing myself

[Sandy "I stand with Walker - 2016" Daze]

Jimmy,

IRT your question re Black Baltimorans and M.I.B. (Men In Blue) working together, please see :

http://www.responseaction.com/Article/real-story-coming-out-baltimore

---

Clarice, your excellent pieces was included in a daily summary of the most pertinent links I receive through a retired-Marine email list (I'm granted access even though a only a retired swabby). First time I've seen you linked there. BZ.

[Skoot]

Pimlico is 7 miles from City Hall. Sounds close but most of the rioters have more than likely never set foot out of the hood. We shall see.

[Captain Hate on the iPad]

Rove News Sunday time. It's all Baltimore all the time.

Representative Donna Edwards is backing Mosby's stupidity.

[pagar]

http://weaselzippers.us/222471-slick-willie-mistakenly-misreports-taxable-income-as-tax-free-donations/#disqus_thread

http://www.ketv.com/news/irs-cancer-survivor-owes-19000-in-taxes-from-donations/32584500

There is something wrong somewhere, IMO!

[Captain Hate on the iPad]

"No investment in schools": what a lying idiot. "Lib policies have not failed"

To his credit Wallace is pointing out how much money is spent.

[Captain Hate on the iPad]

Gray family's ambulance chaser is on. I would seriously hate to be an attorney seeing this piece of shit being representative of my profession.

[DebinNC]

It seems to go against black sensibilities to toss out "bad apples" in schools. They generally subscribe to Father Flanagan's "There's no such thing as a bad boy," instead of the "too much yeast ruins the whole loaf" philosophy.

[Jack is Back!]

Chelsea wins the BPL title for the 4th time under Jose Mourinho. Go Blues. Eden Hazard scored on his own missed penalty with a rebound header. 1-0 over Crystal Palace.

[Captain Hate on the iPad]

Panel time. NYT Sheryl Stolberg shockingly sides with Osby. George Will: strange that she seems to know so much so quickly. Juan: Daniel Patrick Moynihan had it right. Stolberg: Osby campaigned on what she's doing. Hume: Stolberg is full of shit. Stolberg: I am a dumb bint and quite homely. Juan: I hope there is due process.