Hillary Bailed Out By Senate Democrats On Trade

Not to say that the vaunted Clinton Machine was behind the collapse of Obama's trade bill in the Senate - Obama's grating, snarky ineptitude surely played a large role - but Hillary can now duck the trade issue for months while maintaining an utterly mainstream Democratic wait-and-see attitude. One less political nettle for Hillary to grasp, at least for a while.

Comments

[MarkO]

Deflategate lives. On the prior thread.

Who is this Hillary of whom you speak? Is she the cuckolded wife of Billy of Hope?

[Carol_Herman]

Who cares? Hillary's not going anywhere. Bill can't run, again. Moochelle isn't going to get the nod, either.

Why is it so boring?

Why are politicians so ugly?

[MarkO]

"What do you think of Wells view of the Pats cooperation and the fine to the Pats, MarkO?"

I don't have a good sense of what happened in the investigation. I do know, however, that "obstruction" is what one claims when one cannot prove the original crime. (See, Libby) That way, one does not appear to be inept and one's client can be mollified.

[Thomas Collins]

But I wonder whether she can duck activists' questions in Iowa. Is it possible that she'll be held to the standard of an incumbent, so that if Sanders scores a respectable loss in Iowa, it will be like McCarthy's '68 loss in NH?

[MarkO]

McCarthy's '68 campaign is the reason we have campaign finance reform.

[maryrose]

TM
Not so fast
Latest word is Nobama yelled at Dems and now they are all about the Trade deal
Tomorrow a vote on 2amendments Dems wanted rolled into Trade deal need60 votes for each of those Then on to the big Kahuna

[maryrose]

Hil is going to come out for Trade Deal once a number of Dems vote for it
Just like She waited for certain senators vote on funding the surge and Iraq
Hillary has learned silence is golden for her

[maryrose]

Some Guy
It seems as though McNally has. conjured up urinals that don't exist in his attempt to get himself off the hook
His truthiness is interesting to behold

[Thomas Collins]

Isn't it ironic, MarkO, that under the old "bad" system, an alternative candidate would have more of an opportunity to present his or her views than under the "reforms". Why, if one were a cynic, one might think that's exactly what Dems and RINOs want!

[henry]

Yup, the turtle did us in again. Instead of a clean TPA (which was the bipartisan agreement before the vote), we now get a cf including some customs carp on currency transactions & other Dem goodies.

[maryrose]

Not only will Hil have to wade in on Trade. Keystone after the Canadian election will rear its head again
In desperation Obama may ok it

[Miss Marple]

Obama won't ok Keystone until Warren Buffet sells his rail stock.

[Porchlight]

Hill doesn't have to say jack about anything. No one will dare to ask her opinion. She will have the first reporter-free campaign - even more so than Obama.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

In a juster world "Hillary Bailed Out" would be a literal, not a figurative expression, although "Hillary denied bail" would be even justier.
Hillary meets Ol Sparky would be justiest.

[Lazybusy]

Porchlight, if you went to a middleclass public high school how did you get into Carlton?
Carlton is the top school in Minnesota.
My youngest daughter was invited to an advanced summer English course after her eleventh grade high school year. She thought at the time it was rather "earthy/crunchy"; her words. She was turn off by the large amount of armpit hair of one of her female instructors.

[maryrose]

Henry
May not get 60 votes for the goodies. Also these two bills are poison in the House Its a fig leaf for those Dems ready to do Bammys bidding

[Porchlight]

Lazybusy, I attended that summer course!
I'm a legacy kid, what can I say. :) But I think I did pretty well once I got there.

It is pretty crunchy, and it was quite unfashionable at the time I was there for the female students to wear lots of makeup or pretty clothes. I dislike many things about it now that I've grown up, not least the insane leftist culture, and I am less inclined to donate than I was in the past, but I still love my time there dearly.

[Skoot]

I care little about the footballs but that I'm certain the NFL nor Wells have any idea what the pressure of the balls was when they were certified for game use nor when they were put in play.

[GMax]

National Transportation Safety Board member Robert Sumwalt said Wednesday that the train was traveling at 106 mph when the engineer hit the brakes Tuesday night.

The derailment took place as the train entered a curve where the speed limit is 50 mph. The speed limit on the track just prior to the curve is 70 mph.

Perhaps the village idiot can comment on how more money would have stopped a train doing over two times the speed limit?

[Michael (fpa Patriot4Freedom)]

TC - Sorry, router bugged out and took a while to reset . . .

from the previous thread:

Never worked there, but I've visited many times. Lots of ties to various reservations (too complicated to get into here). It's been a figure of speech in the family since I can first recall. Had two Navajo friends in high school who used it as shorthand, and I let it slip out every now and then. :)

btw, the tornadoes the other day (Sunday) included one in southeast South Dakota that *virtually* destroyed a large swath of the town of Delmont, South Dakota, just north of the Yankton Reservation (about 20 miles NE of Lake Andes where Porchlight's Mom grew up). Just a terrible sight to see, there were just small piles of tiny, splintered pieces of wood where their houses had once been.

Tornado damage to Delmont, South Dakota

[Michael (fpa Patriot4Freedom)]

TC - Sorry, router bugged out and took a while to reset . . .

from the previous thread:

Never worked there, but I've visited many times. Lots of ties to various reservations (too complicated to get into here). It's been a figure of speech in the family since I can first recall. Had two Navajo friends in high school who used it as shorthand, and I let it slip out every now and then. :)

btw, the tornadoes the other day (Sunday) included one in southeast South Dakota that *virtually* destroyed a large swath of the town of Delmont, South Dakota, just north of the Yankton Reservation (about 20 miles NE of Lake Andes where Porchlight's Mom grew up). Just a terrible sight to see, there were just small piles of tiny, splintered pieces of wood where their houses had once been.

Tornado damage to Delmont, South Dakota

[Some Guy]

maryrose,

Out of respect for people who are sick of this, I'll answer your post on the prior thread. : )

[henry]

Partly to atone for aged Jarrett link earlier, and I suspect mostly to avoid getting stuck in the Obama library, a lurker found someone did the OPM math on Chicago.

[Miss Marple]

Michael,

I hadn't heard about the South Dakota tornado. So heartbreaking for those people!

Thank you for the photo.

I have been through several although my home was missed. Once back in the 80's one took off the roof of the Sunday School wing of the Methodist Church I belonged to at the time. That wing was full of daycare kids who got ushered into the hall just as it hit. It was a miracle no one was hurt, when I saw the damage. I never forgot that.

[NKonChrome]

henry-- a 21% aggregate tax increase, on ChiTown TAXPAYERS, not residents. What % of business/human residents pay what % taxes? Say 50% of business/residents pay 99% of the taxes THOSE taxpayers will realize on average a 40% tax increase? How many will leave state rather than pay? Plenty. At some point tax increases DECREASE revenue (see Detroit and St Louis and Camden and Blue Hell after Blue Hell) ChiTown/Cook County's pension costs cannot be paid by TPs. Game Over. Chap 9 will be used as a club to change pensions by CBA. Buy popcorn.

[Miss Marple]

I just hate it when Chris Wallace has Bret Baier's show.

[Miss Marple]

NK and henry,

I foresee a bunch of Chicago residents moving into Indy.

Hopefully they will be Republicans.

[Extraneus]

Seems like there's a simple answer to the "If you knew what you know now, would you have invaded Iraq?"

For example:

"If I had known that President Obama would turn what he himself bragged was a 'stable and self-reliant' Iraq into what it is today, then no, I wouldn't have put the innocent people there through that."

Why hasn't any of them taken this route, even after having time to plan their answers to the question? No idea.

[NKonChrome]

Suburban Indianapolis, suburban Milwaukee, producers would absolutely flee to there from a grasping ChiTown. Only the cronies with ties to ChiTown real estate and gov't would be stuck and have to stay. That's why a net 21% tax INCREASE will never happen. Buy popcorn and watch the Lib v Prog death match.

[maryrose]

Hillary tops list of less ethical politicians

[henry]

NK, businesses have been moving to Kenosha at a steady rate.

[henry]

Everyone gets to play. Moody's drops Chicago Public Schools, Park Distric bonds to junk. 40% won't be enough now.

[Miss Marple]

http://www.returnofkings.com/63036/why-you-should-not-go-see-mad-max-feminist-road

Forewarned is forearmed.

[sbw]

Knish: To the left, everything is indeterminate and everything can be reshaped. Existence flows from power and power is pitted against progress.

What this says to me is that there is no reason to engage a progressive in conversation because their goal is not to come to understanding.

Someone want to explain to me why one should consider that a prog believes in society with others except to use them? They believe in subjugation, not civilization.

[pagar]

"I hadn't heard about the South Dakota tornado"

But a whole lot about how much air is in a million dollars or some such.

My sister was teaching near Wessington Springs SD
when I graduated from AF tech school. I caught a ride up there with a SSgt that was going to be stationed in SD. She told me to get off at a intersection of two roads. There was absolutely nothing to see there but fields. No stores, no houses, nothing but crops. If her husband hadn't shown up I might still be there.

[NKonChrome]

I'll have to re-read the accountants' take on 'net' 21% tax increases for ChiTown. I may have botched the effect on producers in my haste. Apologies. The point stands, taxing ChiTown/Cook county producers will never 'net' 21% more tax revenues. Those producers who don't HAVE to be in ChiTown will leave. Rahm will wield Chap 9 like a club; the black/brown OFA Progs tried to knock him off and failed (plus his kid was mugged) so Rahm will feel free to use the Chap 9 option if the unions refuse to giveback pensions which can't be paid for by taxpayers. Buy popcorn.

[Miss Marple]

pagar,

When I was traveling with my grandkids out west last year, we had a flat tire in the middle of South Dakota. I thought my grandson was going to freak out, since there was nothing except flat fields as far as the eye could see.

Fortunately, I called AAA and they had a guy come from the nearest town (19 miles away) and he put on the spare, then we followed him back to a town of about 8 buildings. While they put on a new tire, we ate ice cream from the local ice cream place on picnic tables. Grandkids still talk about how it would be to live somewhere like that. LOL!

[Threadkiller]

106mph on the Amtrak?

Was it a faulty GM ignition switch or a promised ISIS Hack?

[NKonChrome]

as a twice a day Metro North rider I occasionally think about 'what if'. This engineer driving the Amtrak train at 106MPH and then slamming the brakes, and causing the derailment really should be up for manslaughter, as the Metro North engineer who fell asleep in westchester in 2013 is.Let him prove some kind of involuntary physical disability incapacitated him and caused the excessive speed (or he was lasered by some saboteur). He was responsible for this fatal mess, not Amtrak's budget.

[Some Guy]

She told me to get off at a intersection of two roads. There was absolutely nothing to see there but fields. No stores, no houses, nothing but crops. If her husband hadn't shown up I might still be there.

Wait, you weren't buzzed by crop duster? You didn't cling to Eva Marie Saint's hand on Mt. Rushmore?

Are you sure you were in South Dakota?

[Jeff Dobbs]

So, I had a great day fishing the Wautauga River in Eastern Tennessee today.

A sales meeting - and while I drove in in the morning to attend the fishing - everyone else has been there since Monday.

Let's just say some had a lot more "fun" last night than others. Like an over-indulgent amount of "fun". And when I say "some" did, I mean in particular the other guy in my boat.

Poor guy. Love him to death. But he hit the vodka a little too hard last night. He wasn't even at the hungover stage yet - he was still drunk.

We were fly fishing. Our guide tried to show us the ropes, but my buddy just couldn't get it. I got the hang of it and we headed down the river.

After about 10 minutes, the guide suggested my buddy lay down the rod and rest - we'd wake him up in a litle bit to see if he felt better.

So I had the guide to myself. Half day trip, I caught 7 trout. Not bad.

The bad part was, everyone put in $20 to the pot - and the boat that caught the most fish split the pot with the angler who caught the biggest.

Being a man down, we didn't stand a chance.

But - I did beat the big boss and a sales director *combined* all by my lonesome. Their boat got six fish total.

So yay me. First time ever fly fishing, I was quite satisfied with my efforts.

My guide used to live in the Jackson Hole/Teton Valley area - so we had a lot of catching up to do. Great kid.

My poor buddy is definitely at the hung over stage now.

[Jane]

"If I had known that President Obama would turn what he himself bragged was a 'stable and self-reliant' Iraq into what it is today, then no, I wouldn't have put the innocent people there through that."

Ex, a continuation of that answer would include, if we hadn't gone Isis would have risen much faster - we had them beat until the president decided to lead from behind.

I've always thought Bush's biggest mistake was not realizing the American public could elect a complete moron as president.

[UCP]

Taxpayers in Chicago will be fine. Before Obama leaves office, he will be providing Illinois with a Federal "loan" through the Treasury to cover debt issues. Hundreds of billions have been doled out to banks, Chicago payoff will be a drop in a bucket. So the impact to Chicago taxpayers will be not too bad...thanks to the US taxpayers.

[Jane]

They believe in subjugation, not civilization.

SBW, in my politics forum dominated by far left wing progressives that hits the nail on the head. Very interesting morphing lately. They have pretty much abandoned Obama, and with 2 exceptions, Hillary is not in the cards. They are completely behind Sanders and utterly confident he can win. I know of no democrat who thinks that, but they are all sure of it.

[Steve]

Ann Coulter Full Interview - Fox News Sean Hannity

http://commoncts.blogspot.com/2015/05/ann-coulter-full-interview-fox-news.html

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Mad Max; P***y Whipped Road

[maryrose]

Sounds like a lot of fun Hit

[Skoot]

Sean M. Davis slattering some fool in the federalist over Amtrak funding

Had Bump spent five minutes looking through previous appropriations laws and Amtrak budget documents to confirm his assertion–something you would expect even the greenest of rookie journalists to do–he would’ve known that, but he didn’t.

Heck, I did it this morning! $1.14B is nobody's chump change. Also, $2.1B sunk on salaries for 20k employees. Wait till Obamatrak care gets rolling, choo, choo.

[maryrose]

No news outlet is covering that Obamas birth state supposedly has gone belly up with their Healthcare Exchange
More taxpayer money wasted

[Beasts of England]

There is some nice fly fishing up thar in Eastern Tennessee, hit. We're you in the Maryville area?

[Threadkiller]

No news outlet has confirmed his birth state, maryrose.

[Beasts of England]

Doesn't fit the narrative, maryrose. Didn't happen! :)

p.s., yeah, that sounds like good clean fun, hit! Good for you - the weather must've been perfect!

[Jeff Dobbs]

Closer to Johnson City than Maryville. We went up I26 out of Asheville until we hit the Wautauga.

[Porchlight]

Gee, that's terrible about the tornado damage in SD. Thanks, Michael, for posting.

[Skoot]

"No news outlet is covering..."

And only five weeks until the Supremes lay down the subsidy law. Maybe they won't cover that either.

[Skoot]

"Closer to Johnson City than Maryville. We went up I26 out of Asheville until we hit the Wautauga"

That reminds me of something...

Oh, yes:

Walkin' to the south out of Roanoke I caught a trucker out of Philly had a nice long toke But he's a-heading west from the Cumberland gap To Johnson City, Tennessee...

So rock me momma like a wagon wheel

[Threadkiller]

Following the luncheon and Scalia’s address to the assembly, an individual calling himself “Patriotic Citizen TM” purchased a copy of the book, stood in line to have Scalia autograph it, and then seized on the opportunity to ask, “U.S. Constitution, Article 2, Section 1, Clause 5: Is it your understanding a ‘natural born Citizen’ is a person born in the U.S. to two US-citizen parents?”

Scalia then responded, “Uhh… Umm… Ahh… I have to research that.”

http://www.birtherreport.com/2015/05/report-patriotic-citizen-asks-scotus.html?m=1

No mention ECL? What?!?

[Beasts of England]

Old Crow Medicine Show! Woot!!

[Jeff Dobbs]

Heh, Skoot....this one's in my brain...

We met at a truckstop
Johnson City, Tennessee
I was gassin' up my Firebird
When I heard her callin' me...
Said, Which way are you headed, boy
Do you need some company

Well it's a long way to Richmond
Rollin' north on 95
With a redhead ridin' shotgun
And a pistol by my side
Tearin' down that highway
Like a modern day Bonnie and Clyde

[Beasts of England]

Sad photo, Michael. You can see the ground scar forever. I guess with no terrain differential long-track tornados are the norm...

[lyle]

Is this the hatin' Brady thread?

[jimmyk]

The Amtrak accident has hit close to home, as I learned today that Mrs K's first cousin, with whom we are fairly close (just had dinner with her a couple of weeks ago) was on the train and seriously injured. She'd gone down to the DC area to visit her mother on Mother's day and was coming back to NYC. She's in the ICU at Aria Hospital, which I'd never heard of, but I guess is in North Philly. Not quite sure of the nature of the injury, her back and/or kidneys. Lucky to be alive, I guess, and my impression is she'll be ok, but info is sketchy. The missus and I will probably go and visit her over the weekend.

[NkonIphone]

Sorry to hear that jimmy. Hope she gets well soon

[Gentlejim]

We've had many moving into our town from Illinois the last several years. They are definitely not conservative. They have their noses in everyone else's business, but when enforcement comes their way they are astonished that they're being called out. Typical attitude of the rules apply to all but me.

[Beasts of England]

It's all Brady, all the time!!

[henry]

Jimmyk, added to prayer list.

Just got a survey call from Rasmussen-- the economy (meh), Obama (sucks), and deflate gate (no chance to say the NFL management sucks). Oh, driverless cars (not for me).

[Miss Marple]

henry,

I got a survey call tonight but didn't participate, so I have no idea who it was. Guy had an Indian accent and I am leery of giving out information since it's just my daughter and me here.

[Skoot]

That's a good one, hit.

Sorry to hear that, jimmyk. My boss passed through there about an hour before the accident.

[Beasts of England]

Very sorry, jimmyk. Prayers for your relative.

[henry]

MissM, mine was computerized. Plus I always randomize demographic answers.

[jimmyk]

Thanks for the wishes and prayers.

The fact that the train was speeding at double the speed limit won't stop the media from blaming Republicans. For example:

Positive train control (PTC) automatically slows or even halts trains that are moving too fast or heading into a danger zone. Under current law, the rail industry must adopt the technology by year-end.

But the crash came a day before the House Appropriations Committee approved a transportation budget for the next fiscal year that included a funding cut for Amtrak.

One amendment proposed by Democrats called for $825 million in capital investments in PTC technologies for passenger rail, but it was blocked by the Republican majority.

Those heartless Republicans, causing the crash by cutting the budget after the accident.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/05/13/us-usa-train-derailment-idUSKBN0NY04E20150513

[maryrose]

Little Doocy the reporter said they have heard absolutely nothing g from the engineer as of yet
As the daughter of a railroad engineer that speed is inexcusable
Everyone knows how long it takes to stop or slow down a train going that fast

[maryrose]

This is why a car going across the tracks is not going to beat the train
One lady interviewed said she must have passed out and someone carried her off the train She lost her shoes and someone gave her a pair
Local people from the neighborhood were very helpful providing water and blankets

[maryrose]

Jimmyk. Prayers for your friend and cousin

[DrJ]

hit,

Closer to Johnson City

Beautiful county. I've actually spent quite some time in Kingsport. Three guesses as to why.

jimmyk, so sorry for your wife's cousin. I do hope they have good docs in north Philly!

[Miss Marple]

jimmyk,

Prayers for your wife's cousin for a quick recovery. How frightening!

[Buckeye]

jimmyk

praying for Mrs K's cousin.

[Jane on Ipad]

Jimmy, I'm so sorry. I sent a text to my neice as soon as I heard because she's on that train constantly. In fact she was supposed to be on it this morning. It's scary stuff. I hope she is okay.

[Jack is Capitals!]

Start of 3rd period and the Caps and Rangers are all tied up 1-1. Ovechkin has a lot to live up to since he did a Joe Namath on the game and guaranteed a win. Well he does have the only Caps goal so far.

[Buckeye]

Today's takeaway.

Republicans want train passengers to die.

Got it.

[boatbuilder]

No news outlet has confirmed his birth state, maryrose.

Posted by: Threadkiller | May 13, 2015 at 08:24 PM

OK TK--I admit it, I laughed.

[maryrose]

Once we hear from the engineer all repub bashing will be revealed as the stuff of partisan hacks

[maryrose]

I can't wait until Obama is out of office and reporters no longer fear his long arm of revenge
Oh the tales that will be told of the Anointed One

[Strawman Cometh]

It will be revealed, but few will see.

[Strawman Cometh]

Hey Hit, on Saturday I was fishing the New in Ashe and Watauga Counties NC. Smallies and trout.

[pagar]

American Defenders are still dying in Afghanistan!

http://woundedamericanwarrior.com/army-ranger-who-helped-rescue-jessica-lynch-dies-from-wounds-sustained-in-afghanistan/

Prayers for his family, everyone serving and their families. What a terrible waste!

[Michael (fpa Patriot4Freedom)]

jimmyk - So sad to hear that your wife's cousin was injured. Prayers going out for a speedy, and full, recovery.

[boatbuilder]

Maybe the Republicans should introduce legislation to eliminate Amtrak, on the grounds that trains are dangerous and kill people. Or is it only the Democrats who are allowed to think that way?

[DrJ]

I was fishing the New

The New is a good kayaking river. So is the Ocoee, and the Nantahala Outdoor Center is a great organization. I think it was on the Nantahala where I was a gate judge for the kayak and canoe slalom national championships.

[maryrose]

BB
I think McCain a few years back wanted to defund it until it was more better organized and stopped wasting resources

[maryrose]

Should just be better

[maryrose]

DrJ
I have been white water rafting on the New

[Jack is Capitals!]

DrJ,

When I lived in DC I went up to the 1989 World Canoe Slalom Champtionships on the Savage River in northern Maryland. Now that was some event to watch. You could walk down the path on either side find a good location and watch the best canoeists in the world. IIRC, the Eastern Europeans dominated. One of the best sporting events I have ever witnessed.

The only time I ever did a white water rafting was in Costa Rica and it was pretty neat since you go about 15 miles and end up in a little town where they then take you to a restaurant for lunch and back on the bus. A real adreniline rush.

[boatbuilder]

BB
I think McCain a few years back wanted to defund it until it was more better organized and stopped wasting resources

Posted by: maryrose | May 13, 2015 at 10:04 PM

If only he felt that way about the entire government...

[Jack is Capitals!]

Ha!

David Burge ‏@iowahawkblog 5h5 hours ago
Your business loses billions every year. What do you do?
A. Raise prices
B. Lower costs
C. Steal money from non-customers

Referring to Amtrak

[DrJ]

JiB,

One of the best sporting events I have ever witnessed.

No doubt. That is long after my brother and I were out of the sport. Back in the day, said brother was nationally ranked in kayak and C1.

Judging gates is a blast. In the old days, organization of even national events was pretty informal. There was no judge for an important gate in the center of the course, so I volunteered and was accepted.

This was near the beginning of low-volume boats, which could sneak the gates. That is, the bow or stern could be sunk underwater pretty easily, and go under the gates hanging above the water. The resulting wave often could jar the gate, and that had to be distinguished from actually hitting it.

There were no replays, and our decisions were final. What power!

[Buckeye]

Went white water rafting on the New, about 15 years ago with a couple carloads of teenage boys. Big fun.

[Jack is Capitals!]

We are in OT at the Gardens. Still 1-1. Sudden death.

[DrJ]

For those on the east coast, the Youghiogheny River near Pittsburgh is also a lot of fun. The nearest town is the colorfully-named Ohiopyle.

[Stephanie]

So sorry to hear about your wife's cousin, jimmyk.
Prayers lifted.

Hawks win!

I'm out of pocket for the next few days. Trippin to the Redneck Riviera til Sunday. Y'all have fun and behave.