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May 06, 2015

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Thomas Collins

Tom Brady has finally made it. His own JOM thread!

Threadkiller

https://nfllabor.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/investigative-and-expert-reports-re-footballs-used-during-afc-championsh.pdf

daddy

JiB,

On the German Suicide Pilot I haven't kept up today, and I just went thru the Airline Forum links to see if there was anything up. I have no opinion at the moment except to wonder that if he was doing this on pervious legs, was he just moving the altitude on his side while the other autopilot was maintaining proper altitude, or was he actually causing a descent and somehow the other Captain didn't catch it when he came back from his bathroom run to the cabin?

Beats me, so I need more input.

henry

Yeah, like she would lose MA without him. He might cost her a few (as in all) other states, so I'm for Brady as VP.

Captain Haiku

What's the PSI?
At this point, what difference
Does it even make?

maryrose

If it walks like a duck
Quacks like a duck
It's a duck

maryrose

German pilot had practiced the rapid descent ploy on an earlier flight

boatbuilder

I am, of course, a huge apologist for the Mighty Patriots, World Champions. I am unfortunately tied up with packing up and getting work and home tied down for a trip to NC for my daughter's graduation and haven't had the opportunity to read the report; however I do intend to weigh in on this.

Briefly stated I feel on this much less important subject a little like I did during the Libby trial; people believe what they want to believe and the hard evidence gets short shrift.

Is anyone else concerned that the measurements of the inflation pressures of the balls upon which the entire edifice rests vary between the two guys taking the measurements anywhere from .45 to .35 PSI on each individual ball tested, and that the variations are reversed between the testers on the Pats balls and the Colts balls? (In a matter in which the apparent claim is that the balls were mysteriously deflated by somewhere between .035 and .50 PSI, if one accepts the premise that all of the balls deflated somewhere around .5 to .7 due to temperature changes?).

daddy

Lou Dobb's just had a good but depressing conversation with General Jack Keane on developments in the Mid East. Keane says that it appears the Gulf States are capitulating to the US/Iran deal, demanding payoffs in military hardware from us, and that what will result is a nuclear Iran with Israel alone in a terrible position.

Keane: ...Look it, when the Ayatolah, when he hears Senator Ash Carter and the Secretary of Defense say that the military option is on the table, he knows, the Ayatolah knows full well that it's not. It hasn't been on the table for years. They know that, and everybody that's around this Administration knows that, and so do our Allies know that. So it'll come down to Israel, and shame on us that it would come to that.

I'm with you Miss Marple,

FOX Business and Lou Dobbs is the "go to" place now when I can't deal with the nonsense being spouted by the regulars. It's more intelligent without unnecessarily raising the blood pressure.

boatbuilder

I refer to TK's 3:16 on the last thread.

Note that according to the chart the same guy found one of the Colt's balls at 12.15 and another at 12.95. The NFL assumed that all of the Colts balls started at 13.00.(I'm not sure why--the previous claim was that they were all at 13.50 to start.)

Anyone care to explain this to me?

BB Key

boatbuilder,
Weather has been great in NC since Saturday and it looks like the faux Tropical Storm is being pushed out to sea . Enjoy your trip and congats to your daughter . Which great institution of higher learning is she graduating from ?

daddy

"If I encounter a bear and I'm walking my pup, what is the correct thing to do?"

Jane,

I make noise, lots of noise, and I try to keep the pups away from provoking the bear by barks or lunges. Thankfully bears are in general pretty shy, and with my height advantage I usually get a visual on them before the dogs and I can divert the dogs.

There are a ton of website instructions like this one with decent advice:

What To Do When Confronted By A Bear

In the back woods, if nobody else is around making noise, I really do holler out a loud "Caro" every few minutes just to advertise our presence.

Dave (in MA)

Pro-pirate 'hip-hop artist' to appear at Clenis Foundation event

daddy

Uh Oh,

Neil Cavuto just pronounced Human, "Yuman".

Twice.

That offends me greatly.
Off with his head.

Threadkiller

Boatbuilder, I think 13.50 psi represents the high end of the allowable psi. The report, IIRC, claimed that 13.00 psi was the pressure the colts reported prior to the game and 12.5 psi was the pressure reported by the Pats.

I'll check.

Threadkiller

"During the pre-game inspection, Anderson determined that all but two of the Patriots game balls delivered by McNally were properly inflated. Most of them measured 12.5 psi. Two tested below 12.5 psi and Anderson directed another game official to further inflate those two game balls, which Anderson then adjusted to 12.5 psi using a pressure gauge. Most of the Colts game balls tested by Anderson prior to the game measured 13.0 or 13.1 psi. Although one or two footballs may have registered 12.8 or 12.9 psi, it was evident to Anderson that the Colts‟ inflation target for the game balls was 13.0 psi."

boatbuilder

BB Key--It's the institution which boasts the Mighty National Champion Blue Devils!

(But don't tell anyone--I'm trying to win people over here and it's tough sledding as it is).

glasater

Very clever post, Tom M :-)

Jim Miller

I think almost all of you will find the table I just put up on the British election of interest.

Threadkiller

From the footnotes:

"For the reasons stated in Section VII.B and described in detail in Appendix 1, based on Exponent‟s conclusion that the Logo Gauge generally reports a measurement that is approximately 0.3-0.45 psi higher than the measurement reported by the Non-Logo Gauge and never produced a reading lower than the Non-Logo Gauge during Exponent‟s testing, it appears most likely that the two officials switched gauges in between measuring each team‟s footballs, meaning that Blakeman most likely used the Logo Gauge and Prioleau most likely used the Non-Logo Gauge to test the Colts balls at halftime. Further, Exponent believes that the results recorded for the third Colts ball tested reflect an anomaly in that, unlike the other Colts balls tested, the reading made by Prioleau is higher than the reading made by Blakeman. Exponent believes that this anomaly may be the result of a transcription error where the measurements recorded were attributed to the opposite game official (i.e., on game day, Blakeman measured 12.95 psi and Prioleau measured 12.50 psi) or a recording error where the pressure measured by one of the officials was incorrectly recorded. Exponent controlled for this anomaly in its analysis of the data."

boatbuilder

"Most likely..."

If this were a criminal prosecution it would not withstand the laugh test.

Threadkiller

Brady's claim of not knowing Mr. Deflate probably wouldn't withstand the test either.

mad jack

Jim: So are the lib-dems going to be the king makers? I've been lurking for a while w/o time to read all the comments but TM joining the Pats lynch mob has pulled me back in. I'm waiting for Brady to say fu to Goodell and fight any suspension/fine and enjoy having an impartial arbitrator sort it all out. Also I'm going to enjoy the Pats going all delenda est on the Colts and everyone else next season. That is all:-)

Captain Hate

The only thing I care about is if Kraft is gonna man up and dock Goodell's compensation for this "witch hunt" as he was dropping hints of doing during Sooper Bowl weak? If he doesn't then he's just another lying sack of shit.

Threadkiller

I wonder if Brady's fu will include the emails he didn't wish to share with the investigators?

Captain Hate

Is this thread an effort to entice DoT to return?

Threadkiller

Later.

Threadkiller

My 8:43 was coincidental to CH's 8:42.

;-)

Jim Miller

mad jack - There a lot of possiilities, and that's one of them. As you probably know, they are currently in a formal coalition with the Conservatives in parliament (but not in this election campaign).

The coalition hasn't worked out wll for them as you can tell from their loss of popular support

mad jack

I wouldn't share my emails/texts with anyone. Why should Brady? That's a ridiculous standard to base guilt on. You wouldn't accept that requirement in any other circumstance, TK.

NkonIphone

TomM swore in his post? Is that a first? I feel like a little kid the first time they hear a parent swear

Some Guy

Brady's claim of not knowing Mr. Deflate probably wouldn't withstand the test either.


Just out of curiosity, do you think the Venn Diagram of the following two sets:

1. 'people who have met Tom Brady'
2. 'people who Tom Brady remembers meeting'

Is a perfect overlap?

Or even these narrower sets:

1. 'game-day-only employees who say they have met Tom Brady'
2. 'game-day-only employees Tom Brady remembers meeting'

mad jack

Jim: I was over there a month ago and it didn't seem like a happy partnership. Can't believe labor could get back in power but...

boatbuilder

TK--did the report address the circumstance that the Colt's balls were tested last (just before the second half kickoff, which is why they only tested 4 of them)? This would have caused them to be in the warm locker room the longest and thus would have recovered pressure the most of all the balls tested at halftime.

boatbuilder

They have the e-mails and texts from the nefarious ball boys, which would presumably include any that Brady sent to them. What other e-mails and texts are they interested in?

NkonIphone

BB GIVE IT UP MAN this is about Tommie being a lying SoS, which he is.

Captain Hate

I'm sure the opposition party will get right on this:

http://weaselzippers.us/222878-insane-irs-gave-promotions-raises-to-tax-cheaters-refuses-to-fire-employees/

mad jack

The whole exercise is silly. Absent a smoking gun the NFL looks like the WWE here. If they had just said that the refs will toss a ball that doesn't seem right and that the psi numbers are just guidelines then they wouldn't be looking like the dopes they look like now after this silly investigation. They have tarnished their brand for no good reason and Goodell should be bounced for that alone. Millionaire morons. Is there any other kind?

Skoot

I just listened to the complete Fiorina v. Couric interview. Fiorina was impressive. She stated her positions very well, especially abortion, gay marriage and 2A. Couric's snotty questions didn't phase her either. She will be very good in the debates and would make a fine President.

boatbuilder

Well NK you can rest assured that Geno Smith will never be subjected to anything like this.

Captain Hate

They have tarnished their brand for no good reason and Goodell should be bounced for that alone.

Welcome to the dark side.

mad jack

Good luck with the JETS, JETS, JETS NK! Should work out as well as ever:-) Does Gino know the balls have air in them?

gus

Brady's texts may have YOGA pic and WEDDING plans in them.

mad jack

CH: it's a big room!

Captain Hate

I just want you to know that between this latest Goodell brain fart and the continuing controversy around that dogshit fight which nobody sane cared about, there is no conversation about the NBA playoffs.

This is why ESPN is the absolute worst thing ever to happen to sports.

maryrose

I am glad that Fiorina is putting Couric in her place
She's been insufferable for.years now

daddy

Breaking News and Braggin' rights!

CaLTech's gonna' cost me $2,500 less than expected!

ZoBob just won a National Merit Scholarship! Woo Hoo!

National Merit® $2500 Scholarship Winners
(Evanston, Illinois) Today, National Merit Scholarship Corporation (NMSC) announced this year’s National Merit $2500 Scholarship winners. The 2,500 Merit Scholar designees were chosen from a talent pool of more than 15,000 outstanding Finalists in the 2015 National Merit Scholarship Program.

Taught her everything she knows, I did:)

Miss Marple

Skoot,

I can't donate, and my primary isn't until May, so my vote doesn't count. I am rooting for Fiorina to make a good showing so she gets in the debates, because I think she will contribute a lot.

I like several of our candidates (Walker especially) but I have to admit I am rooting for someone who started her career as a secretary, simply because she did it herself, unlike Hillary's hanging on Bill's coattails.

mad jack

Espn is the worst. CH, glad to see Cleveland seems to have gotten it's act together.

jorod

Lie Cheat Steal. Beat your opponents to a pulp..... It's the Clinton way.

Sidwhite

Still in agreement with SG, BB, and Jane. The only way to tie PSI to Brady is to make stuff up.

Jim Miller

mad jack - Well, when I checked this morning, the bookies were giving even odds on Miliband and Cameron being the next prime minister.

maryrose

Daddy's
Congrats to your daughter on her National Merit My niece is also aNationalMerit scholar
It is very difficult to achieve
Boatbuilder
Congrats to the Duke University graduate You must be so proud
You are wrong about the Patriots but we will let them keep their rings

maryrose

Daddy
What was her PSAT score

Porchlight

One obvious reason for Brady to refuse to give up his phone info is because of communications he might have had with other people besides the equipment guys.

Of course that's not proof of anything. But it's funny how some people will make excuses for Brady that they would laugh at if they were made for, say, Hillary. :)

Steve

Breaking Weather - Live Tornado Coverage - KFOR

http://commoncts.blogspot.com/2015/05/breaking-weather-live-tornado-coverage.html

maryrose

I found out Cruz andPaul voted against the budget
Who didn't vote

Porchlight

Congratulations, daddy!

Frau Zuckerhut

daddy, you are the greatest! A daughter at CalTech and one with a scholarship. Congratulations to mammy, too, for her efforts. Such a family!

P.S. Remember, I'm just 30 minutes away from Cal Tech and 20 from Ontario airport. Well, unless Pres. Shuck and Jive shuts down the freeways while he's en route to stuffing his pockets.

maryrose

Porch
You have summed up this post succinctly
Both Hil and Brady have something to hide The. Truth

daddy

"I assume we can count on say the paper of recored, The New York Times, to go into a protracted sand deep examination of all this."

That's a joke, right? Please tell me Will burst out laughing after saying that.

Posted by: jimmyk on iPhone

JimmyK,

George Will looked serious as a heart attack when he said it and I didn't see any eye rolling or smirking except by DrK. I had to stop and run it back and transcribe it immediately as it struck me as so complete nuts.

Captain Hate

mad jack, I think both sides were glad to get a split out of the first two games. LeBron had the Beast mode engaged tonight. The return of JR Smith will hopefully put them over the edge for the rest of the series.

Frau Zuckerhut

I'm sure I typed "momma"...what happened?

maryrose

Jim Miller
This election is fascinating
Please keep us posted

peter

congratulations, daddy.

maryrose

Don't worry Frau
My daughters nickname for me is Mammy

mad jack

Thanks Jim. Looking to the bookies makes the most sense but Miliband makes Blair look like Churchill. By the way I loved the Churchill museum in London. Wish I had a few more hours to enjoy it.

mad jack

Well Hillary as SOS had a legal obligation to preserve her email correspondence and Tom Brady is NFL quarterback. Not sure why I didn't see the connection.

Jim Miller

daddy - You were asking the other day about coverage of the British election. Here's what the BBC says:

"Polls close at 22:00 BST, but officials say anyone in a polling station queue at this time should be able to cast their vote.

The BBC's main election programme, fronted by David Dimbleby, starts at 21:55 BST, with live coverage from 220 counts.

Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland will have their own overnight programmes but will join Huw Edwards from 07:00 BST on 8 May."

(BST = "British Summer Time", so here in Washington state, for example, we'll be able to watch their coverage starting about 2 tomorrow afternoon. Their counts are fairly fast, but in this close an election, we may not know the results for some time.

As I recall, the rural areas, which generally vote Conservative, tend to report later than the rest.)

maryrose

Jim
Who do you think will win it

mad jack

Wow, Tampa Bay just beat les habs at the buzzer. Awesome when Montreal loses!

Miss Marple

daddy, Congratulations to you and your bank account! That is just great news!

I remember taking the national merit test. I did super on the language part, but alas, my math skills didn't pass muster at all.

boatbuilder

Comparing Brady and The Pantsuit is per se defamation. And the idea that Brady has some obligation to turn over his e-mails to Goodel's hired shield protectors over the NFL's self-inflicted circus is preposterous.

maryrose

Jim
I will start watching about 11:00 in the. Morning

maryrose

MM
I. Had the same experience in testing
Math was my downfall

clarice

Hurrah, daddy.

Eric in Boise with Corny Jokes

Neil Cavuto just pronounced Human, "Yuman".

Can't resist with this old one, daddy:

Q: What's the best place to go for for Chinese labor?

A: Hunan Resources.

/rimshot

clarice

Koskenin should be impeached.

Miss Marple

Strangest thing about this, maryrose, was that I droped out of college and went back when I was 22.

All through high school I struggled with anything to do with math, and no matter how hard I tried, all I could muster was a B. And I think that that was a pity B as well.

When I decided to major in geology, I had to take physics and chemistry. Since I had avoided math in high school due to my pathetic showing after Algebra 1 & II and Geometry I and II (and reasoning that I was going to be an English teacher) I had to take advanced algebra and trig as a make-up in college for no credit.

I breezed through it with an A, and got an A in Physics and Chemistry as well.

I have come to the conclusion that math skills may be something that develops later in some people. So I always encourage people who were defeated in math to go back and try again a few years later.

daddy

Maryrose,

Momma and ZoBob are both refusing to tell me her PSAT score and ordering me to not put her name or school on the Internet either. I wouldn't do that anyhow, but to keep peace in the family I better shut up and obey their orders. Sorry:(

Miss Marple

daddy,

I am sure her PSAT score was phenomenal.

Tell her to rest assured we are not going to track her down.

maryrose

MM
You are absolutely correct
I took Statistics in graduate school and got a C which was a gift
However last year I took a Microeconomics course and did fairly well

Cecil Turner

Breaking News and Braggin' rights!

CaLTech's gonna' cost me $2,500 less than expected!

Congrats! (I got one too!) And I'd seriously consider looking at another school . . . Lot's of 'em give a full ride for National Merit Scholar finalists. They ain't CalTech, but . . .

maryrose

Daddy it was probably between215 and 230

Captain Hate

And the idea that Brady has some obligation to turn over his e-mails to Goodel's hired shield protectors over the NFL's self-inflicted circus is preposterous.

Not that I care about this any more but long ago and far away, when we had a real commissioner that cared about the integrity of the game, players were suspended for entire seasons because the commish had reasons to believe that they were involved with shady people. And Joe Namath was forced to sell his interest in a club even though he was guilty of nothing in a court of law.

I don't think Goodell would even care if somebody was caught shaving points. The shield has been permanently tarnished because of dipshits like him and the crook owners, including Kraft.

Jane on Ipad

Congrats Boatbuilder and Daddy. You guys are great dads, I'm sure of it.

Daddy this is day 2 of a bear in my complex. The entire town is talking about it endlessly. The landscapers are all a buzz. Kiwi couldn't care less. Yesterday the bear walked thru all the backyards taking down the bird feeders. I hope he stays. I think ill name him. How about Fido?

Buckeye

Daddy, congrats to your young lady.

Miss Marple

maryrose,

Isn't that interesting? I wonder if anyone has ever done a study about it.

If they could give a test on brain maturity for math, it would save so many kids the disappointment and frustration. It might even help if someone would figure out what triggers the improvement in comprehension over the years.

It isn't like I did any math between age 16 and age 22. The only thing even remotely related were the logic problems in Dell Crosswords, which I did out of boredom when I lived in Germany.

Threadkiller

What I gather from debate-deflate-gate, porch, is that what ever can be explained away as if we are in a court of law gets doled out first and whatever can't be gets treated as unworthy of a court of law.

Let's try a different type of questions.

Is the data used within the report as to whether the balls could have reached their halftime psi without tampering disputed?

Miss Marple

Captain Hate,

Your post reminded me that I bought a box of old small appliances at the auction. When I was cleaning out the garage yesterday, I almost sent the popcorn popper to Goodwill, but inside were all the papers including a picture of Joe Namath and a cartoon of him recommending the popcorn popper! It was a Joe Namath Butter Up popcorn maker, circa 1970! LOL!

Captain Hate

I remember those, Miss Marple, at least the commercials for them.

Rick Ballard

Miss Marple,

You may have been caught in the transition to New Math in junior high ('62-'65, roughly). The transition screwed up a lot kids wrt math due to teachers having to shift methodology in explanations. Many math teachers weren't all that swift with old math and New Math stumped them for a while.

Miss Marple

Captain,

I can't tell you how many times I run across items which remind me of my childhood, high school, early working years. Stuff I threw away, gave away, thought was worthless.

The popper will probably bring 10-20 bucks on eBay, depending on how skillfully I write the description.

Some Guy

Unlike Boatbuilder, I have no vested interest in the Patriots or defending them. To remind everyone, I lost money betting on the Colts in that game, and was pulling for Andrew Luck to pull off the upset.

I however do agree with him that this continues to remind me of the Plame charade. Remember, a certain segment was certain that the White House "cheated", and outed a top super duper secret agent to punish her husband for speaking truth to power. All of which turned out to be the biggest steaming pile since Clinton pointed his finger at all us.

The facts in that case where thin to nonexistent, but that didn't stop some from jumping to outrageous assumptions. Fitzgerald was clearly looking for a crime, rather than facts, and kept at until he found one (or created one).

Well's team appears to be following the same path (or at a minimum make certain Goddell won't have to croak out an apology). This an attempt at a conviction with a press release, and I'm a little surprised that more people aren't just a tiny bit skeptical that a 243 page report contains so little real meat.

'We didn't find any actual evidence of wrongdoing, but we don't believe what the wrongdoers are saying to us, because we already decided that they are wrongdoers, so therefore they must be liars, and we're going to ignore the parts of our own report that undermine the pattern of wrongdoing that we think is critical to us proving that they are wrongdoinging'

mad jack

TK: Last I checked the Wells report did not seek or include rebuttal evidence from the accused. That's how predetermined hatchet jobs generally work:-)

boatbuilder

"Is the data used within the report as to whether the balls could have reached their halftime psi without tampering disputed?"

The ideal gas law is a law of physics. The "data" as to the original inflation pressures is the undocumented recollection of the referee.

Yes, it is disputed.

Jeff Dobbs

NK:
TomM swore in his post? Is that a first? I feel like a little kid the first time they hear a parent swear

It's been less than two months.

http://justoneminute.typepad.com/main/2015/03/holy-shit.html

Some Guy

"Is the data used within the report as to whether the balls could have reached their halftime psi without tampering disputed?"


I haven't checked the layers yet...

Jim Miller

maryrose - When I started covering this election, I said that it was too complicated for me to make a prediction, partly because I don't have the knowledge of the individual districts that you would need to make a prediction.

I can say these two things, however. I think that the Conservatives will win the most seats, though not a majority, and that I haven't seen any reason to think the bookies are wrong in giving even odds on Miliband and Cameron.

If someone asked me to put a bet down on one of them, I'd flip a coin.

(For those interested in such things: Part of the problem is basic game theory. Two-party elections can be modeled as two-person, zero-sum games, just like a prize fight. But introduce another party, or another fighter, and a lot of the predictability goes away. For the current election, you would have to model it with at least five players: Conservatives, Labour, Lib-Dems, UKIP, and SNP.)

mad jack

Jim: I watched the first debate on the telly when I was over visiting my youngest in London. No surprise that the UKIP guy was the only one who seemed out of place... he had a clue.

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