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May 06, 2015

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Old Lurker

TC, was your 4:03 related to your 3:50?

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

Remember when adults used to tell us "cheaters never prosper"?

We knew better, even then.

lyle

At some point, perhaps I'll examine in detail the comparisons between the psi reduction in the Pats' balls as opposed to same in the Colts' balls.

I understood there would be no Greek on this blog.

Dave (in MA)

Maybe the league can tell Brady before a game that he's probably suspended.

Some Guy

But in this case, I don't think Brady is going to avoid tough punishment.


After reading the report, I doubt any severe punishment will survive appeal of the suspension.

Think about it, the Wells Report is basically the prosecution's case without any challenge, and it wouldn't take a brilliant attorney to poke holes in it.

Threadkiller

The only thing that would please the honest fans of the NFL more than Brady skating on the technicality that this isn't a real trial would be that the technicality comes out in a real trial at the hands of a not so brilliant attorney.

lyle

http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/050515-751157-obama-judge-let-muhammad-cartoon-terrorist-go.htm

But then-U.S. District Judge Mary Murguia released him from custody the next year, despite recordings in which he made it clear he sought to kill himself and others in "jihad" and despite his ties to a former U.S. Navy sailor busted for leaking details about warship movements to al-Qaida.

Murguia, a liberal Democrat whose twin sister heads the radical, pro-illegal immigrant group La Raza, bought the defense's argument that by "jihad," their client didn't mean to imply any violence and that jihad means things other than holy war.

The judge argued in her 2011 ruling that FBI agents made "inferential leaps" when they charged Simpson with involvement in international terrorism based on his statements that he wanted to go to the "battlefield" in Somalia to "fight" non-Muslims in a "martyrdom" operation.

Though his intentions seemed clear, Murguia ruled that Simpson wasn't lying about engaging in terrorism. She concluded that he was simply a devout Muslim who was lying about things suspiciously terroristic.

So one of our betters determined he wasn't a terrorist terrorist and let him go. He probably wasn't a true Muslim either...


Dave (in MA)

McD's new turnaround strategy includes a hipster Hamburglar?

daddy on iPad

You guys better quit all these "Hateful Comments" about Chris Cuomo.

They're Un-Constitutional.

Now excuse me, but I've got to go take my daily Constitutional.

maryrose

New England should not be permitted to participate in the playoffs
Tainted win last year

new lurker

How so, MarkO, re Gretta?

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

--The judge argued in her 2011 ruling that FBI agents made "inferential leaps" when they charged Simpson with involvement in international terrorism based on his statements that he wanted to go to the "battlefield" in Somalia to "fight" non-Muslims in a "martyrdom" operation.--

Nice scare quotes.
Too bad a jihadi didn't use Occam's razor to decapitate Judge Murguia.

daddy on iPad

Syria is Using Chamical Weapons Again, Rescue Workers Say - The Slimes.

What difference, at this point, does it make?

Old Lurker

That's old news being repeated by right wing zealots, Daddy.

Thomas Collins

Yes, Miss Marple, perhaps I was anticipating the Wells Report. No, what really motivated me was that you were a good sport about the bet, and I wanted you to sample stuff from my favorite chocolate store.

OL, in your 4:13 PM post, did you intend to refer to TK as opposed to TC?

Some Guy, if Brady appeals, it just keeps the story going. I'll bet Kraft takes Tom aside and suggests it's better for Tom to just take the punishment.

As to the report, yes, it's a prosecution's brief, but it reads true to me, especially in light of my experience of how Brady types function. Nothing wrong with that, as Seinfeld might say. Machiavellianism is an integral part of the City of Man.

As to the question whether the Patriots cheat more than other teams, there is nothing in the report to change my conclusion that the Patriots are probably run of the mill cheaters in the NFL universe. Not particularly virtuous, not particularly sinful.

maryrose

No consequences for former cheating so felt there would be no punishment this time

Old Lurker

Yes, sorry TC.

maryrose

I can say conclusively that the Browns don't cheat and our record for the past 15 years proves it

maryrose

Remember it was a Celtic who took out our man Love during the one sport we are in the playoffs

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

That Kabbalah Harris story is pretty frickin weird.

Three middle aged black people describing themselves as Freemason Knights Templar coppers and having little tin badges and guns and uniforms and brazenly sending out letters to actual police chiefs detailing the new leadership.
Weird, even for CA.

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

--the Patriots are probably run of the mill cheaters in the NFL universe. Not particularly virtuous, not particularly sinful--

They must be decidedly below run of the mill in their cheating competence since they seem to get caught more than other teams.
Or perhaps Occam is useful here as well.

Thomas Collins

Speaking of Browns' cheating, maryrose, I think if Cleveland's GM gets four games for unauthorized use of a cell phone during a game, four games is an appropriate suspension for Brady.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/maurybrown/2015/03/30/cleveland-browns-and-atlanta-falcons-have-been-caught-cheating-and-with-it-nfl-penalizes-them/

lyle

NRO's The Corner:

Let’s not ignore fact that Garland shooters appear to have been clownish morons. Sorta like Geller herself. http://t.co/WQWZNXRS43

— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) May 6, 2015

He's one them sooper smart and highly credentialled fellers who went to the right schools and all, ain't he? What would he be calling the "clownish morons" if they'd emptied the mags of their AKs into the crowd without anyone shooting back. Heroes?

Miss Marple

Ignatz,

That story gave me that little feeling I get every once in a while, in which I think there are a whole bunch of weirdo things going on and the stuff I pay attention to isn't even half the story.

Knights Templar and fake black police. Who knew?

And in case you didn't think things would get weirder, get a load of this new series coming out this fall, called "Negrotown:"

http://downtrend.com/?p=27973

clarice

I hate these people who pose as a bulwark against totalitarianism and are always too busy getting their togas dry cleaned to stand up for what's right.

Jim Eagle

Don't know the Pat's schedule and its 1st 4 games but would it be better to sit those out or go appeal and have 4 tougher games to sit out down the schedule? I don't think its a suspendable offience since there is no empirical evidence that Brady was involved. Any criminal defense attorney would quash this in a nanosecond.

Can we now move on to concussions?

Thomas Collins

I don't think it's a matter of the Patriots cheating more, Ignatz. I think it's a matter of more attention being paid to the Patriots cheating because of 12 winning seasons, nine AFC championship appearances (6-3), six Super Bowl appearances (4-2), and only one losing season in the last 15 years.

http://onlyagame.wbur.org/2015/01/21/nfl-cheating-deflatgate-patriots

A quick use of Google uncovers countless episodes of team and athlete cheating. My award for most thoughtful cheating goes to Bill Walsh and the 49ers.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/09/25/bill-parcells-still-thinks-bill-walsh-cheated-during-1980s-playoffs/

Thomas Collins

JiB, if the collective bargaining agreement doesn't prohibit Goodell or an arbitrator from drawing a negative inference from Brady not turning over the text messages, I think there is justification for a four game suspension.

In any event, my views are the same as they were after the AFC Championship Game:

(I) Brady cheated in this case.

(II) The Pats are not out of the mainstream in the amount of cheating they do.

(III) Both of the above meet with much skepticism from many of my friends here.

Dave (in MA)

NE outscored their opponents 56-24 after the ball was discovered to be underinflated.

Jim Eagle

TC,

My point is that the Pat's will have to make a strategic decision on the suprension vis a vis an appeal based on schedule, right?

Thomas Collins

Whoops! Make that 14 winning seasons and 12 playoff appearances in the last 15 years.

Old Lurker

Everybody on board with the LUN?

Porchlight

I agree with TC that there's lots of cheating we don't know about and that a winning team gets more attention. It could still also be possible that the Pats cheat more. "Any edge you can possibly get" is the Belichick mantra. That's how he describes it - it's not just me.

That kind of philosophy - and Belichick's coaching style - incentivizes cheating and gives people the impression they'll be given as much cover as possible to bend the rules. IMO.

Thomas Collins

JiB, it's Steelers, Bills, Jags, Bye and Cowboys to open up the season. Then it's Colts, Jets, Dolphins and Warrens.

lyle

Foxboro, MA. After release of the Wells report, NFL commissioner, Roger Goodell, announced Tom Brady would sit out games against Jacksonville, NY Jets, Tennessee, and Cleveland even though the Browns aren't on their schedule.

"We think this is a fitting response to Inflategate and with these suspensions, we can put the matter behind us and still ensure the Patriots make the playoffs," Goodell said today.

MarkO

Greta seems to have a theory of speech that requires the speaker to remain quiet if the possible response to that political speech would be unlawful violence.

In that sense, she agrees fully with the Jihadists. Here is part of Exh. A.

She's wrong in so many ways that it must be intentional. The tell is "yes, but."
____________________

So Van Susteren scolded Geller for holding the cartoon contest. “My message is simple — protect our police. Do not recklessly lure them into danger and that is what happened in Garland, Texas at the Mohammed cartoon contest,” she said. “Yes, of course, there’s a First Amendment right and it’s very important, but the exercise of that right includes using good judgment.”

In other words, watch what you say, or draw.

The Fox News host continued: “It’s one thing for someone to stand up for the First Amendment and put his own you-know-what on the line, but here, those insisting they were defending the First Amendment were knowingly putting officers’ lives on the line — the police,” said Van Susteren, who went on to say that the “police had no choice but to do their job.”

MarkO

I believe this:

This is chilling: Both the liberal media and the Jihadists agree that certain political speech must be limited.

Those who attack speech with violence are criminals and must be stopped. Nothing else matters. Nothing.

Thomas Collins

I wonder when any appeal would be heard, JiB. Isn't this likely to be resolved before opening day?

I think Belichick's tone will be brought up, Porchlight. I myself think Brady would be Brady (talent, work ethic and governing style with equipment managers) anywhere.

Porchlight

Then it's Colts, Jets, Dolphins and Warrens.

LOL, TC.

Some Guy

TC,

Here is the gist of Wells case:

1. Brady is pissed that balls in Jet's game are overinflated (and according to employee they were quite overinflated - 16lbs)

2. Employees joke about Brady being pissed, and threaten to OVERinflate the balls again to get back at him.

3. These employees after being openly disdainful to each other of Brady and his complaining, must therefore have done something.


IOW, all they proved is that Brady doesn't like OVER-inflated footballs, which doesn't necessarily lead to anything else other than that fact.

maryrose

So we let the Patriots off with no consequence
Next thing you know they will be cheating again It seems to work for them

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

The cheating benefited the Pats last year.
If you cheat in college you lose your championship.
Let him play all he wants next year to see if he can get that elusive fourth ring again.

Threadkiller

Maybe lifeguards shouldn't be wading into an unpredictable ocean for the benefit of a few surfers that want to put their you know what on the line. ReGreta.

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

So should we all as a nation shut up so we don't put our military in danger either?

daddy

Not surprising, but worth a chuckle. Local Channel 2 reports this:

Even when relocation results are permanent, the solution is often only short term as new bears will move into the area. Within a day of Friday’s relocation of the Government Hill black bear sow and four cubs, the department began receiving reports of new black bears in the neighborhood.

maryrose

Caught cheating twice in the last 10 years. No playoff appearance That's punishment they will understand

Threadkiller

You missed one part, SG.

McNally told NFL Security that he had been personally told by Brady of Brady‟s inflation level preference.


Maybe they did something because they were told to do something?

Nah. To obvious.

maryrose

No punishment encourages other teams to cheat
I think our team the Browns don't know how to cheat

Miss Marple

daddy,

What they need to do is to establish bear-feeding stations well outside of town.

You know there are plenty of greenies and animal lovers who would go for this. Set up a web cam and they could probably get donations from the lower 48.

NAME them with cute names and you could probably recoup the lost oil revenue with sales of t-shirts and posters.

Ta-da!

Extraneus

I think the phone calls from Brady to Jastremski - not to mention his unequivocal televised statement that he wasn't involved in even a smidgen of a whiff of anything even slightly untoward - indicate that four games is a light punishment that he should take without complaint.

(Btw, I hate the Patriots.)

Miss Marple

I broke down and turned on the air conditioner. My poor collie-type dog was panting and the thermostat said it was 80 in the house.

So Maggie has now gone to stand over the AC vent in the bathroom. LOL!

MarkO

It is the principal duty of the state to ensure safety including the safety of those who express political speech. There is no "dangerous" exception to that duty.

Moreover, this is just another in a long line of adjectives used to justify censorship. Hateful, racist, sexist, dangerous, and others. These are apiece with the Citizens United opposition. Any unwelcome or confounding speech must be suppressed, either by law or by public opposition. Hillary wants to amend the Constitution to censor speech. Read that again. People will vote for her.

When Obama began his Presidency calling Fox "illegitimate," the move was on. These are dangerous people and dangerous times.

lyle

I like your idea, MM. But make the bear-feeding stations lifelike as to enhance the experience for the bear lovers. VERY lifelike. You know, up close and personal. If you catch my drift...

Threadkiller

They could Freaky-Sunday the Equipment crook and the pouting Pat.

Make Brady the ball boy for several games and the needler the QB.

Miss Marple

lyle,

I see where you're going, but then the bears would end up getting shot for doing what bears will do.

Besides, if the greenies get all caught up in the bear-feeding stations they will be distracted from more annoying projects.

Thomas Collins

Some Guy, I think a strong negative inference can be drawn from Brady not sharing his text messages and Walt Anderson's description of the unusual nature of McNally taking the balls after the testing, McNally's sojourn to the lavatory, and McNally's deflation references. I concede the texts could be read the way you interpret them (I think they can also be read as indicative of the amount of pressure (so to speak) Brady put on the equipment managers re psis), but Brady could probably clarify this by allowing his text messages to be examined. Unless the collective bargaining agreement prevented me from so doing, as Goodell or an arbitrator, I would draw a strong negative inference from Brady's refusal.

Beasts of England

Honey! Aw, sugar, sugar. You are my candy, girl...

maryrose

Marko I totally
I will say whatever I want and whenever I choose to
We were here before the Islamist terrorist
They can return to their own countries if they don't like our speech
They won't be stoning anybody here

Thomas Collins

I think four games would be pretty stiff, Extraneus. Not over-inflated, but stiff nonetheless.

I denounce myself!

Porchlight, that's my proposed resolution of the controversy surrounding the DC NFL team. :-)

lyle

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/triumph-reveals-brian-williams-jokes-the-today-show-wouldnt-let-him-tell/

“You know, it’s been a rough year, not just for Brian but for his daughter Allison from the show Girls,” Triumph said, “what with the two of them both getting their asses chewed out at work.”
daddy

I am watching The Five and the current hollering match is on Free Speech, but at least they all appear to be on the same page.

Then Juan Williams closed the segment with this statement:

Juan: I think it (Gellar's Conference) was intentional, but I happen to agree with all of you on the free speech point because I think it protects me as a Journalist.

Correct Juan, but then that made me immediately recall that even in Juan's own experience it hasn't always worked that way, and I recalled when Juan Williams was fired from PBS because of...speech!
I was wondering why that incident hasn't been brought up in this current free speech discussion?

PBS: Juan Williams Firing: What Speech Is OK as Journalism Evolves?

NPR’s chief executive, Vivian Schiller, issued a written statement, saying in part:

“Williams’ remarks on ‘The O’Reilly Factor’ this past Monday were inconsistent with our editorial standards and practices and undermined his credibility as a news analyst with NPR.”

Elaborating in an internal memo, Schiller said the firing came after a pattern of public comments by Williams. Then, at a pre-scheduled speech yesterday, she stirred some further controversy of her own.

VIVIAN SCHILLER, President and CEO, National Public Radio: If you want to be a political activist, you may not also be a reporter or news analyst for NPR. His feelings that he expressed on FOX News are really between him and his, you know, psychiatrist or his publicist.

JEFFREY BROWN: Schiller later apologized for making what she called a — quote — “thoughtless remark.”

Jim Eagle

MarkO

10-4. Couldn't agree more. The left and the elite Right will use any excuse to degrade our basic rights so they can benefit from having to deal with facts and danger.

NKonChrome

So Tommy Boy Brady is a lying cheat. Quelle suprise. Brand him with a red 'C' on his forehead, so we never forget what he was and always will be. Punk ass b$@^%.

Porchlight

Porchlight, that's my proposed resolution of the controversy surrounding the DC NFL team. :-)

I remember now. It's perfect.

I actually considered Warren for a name for Porch Jr a couple of years ago (inspired more by Warren Zevon) but my mom said ixnay. I still like it, though.

Beasts of England

I guess a bad day of golf (86 with no birdies; lost $45) is better then a good day of oppressing the proletariat at work, but gee whiz!

Stopped by the grocery store after work golf and snatched a bottle of '12 Sterling Vintner's Collection for $11.99. Dang, it's some fine juice. Very full and jammy. Beasts rates it a 'must try'.

And speaking of vino, I secured a bottle of '12 Stag's Leap Cask 23 from The Last Bottle. That's a spicy meatball, baby! Although it does come at a steep price....

NKonChrome

Lyle-- Triumph the Insult Dog is now a national treasure.

Extraneus

Garland mayor blames Pam Geller: “She invited an incendiary reaction”

“Her actions put my police officers, my citizens and others at risk. Her program invited an incendiary reaction. She picked my community, which does not support in any shape, passion or form, her ideology.

Her actions, not those of the perps.

Miss Marple

I am drinking a nice cold bottle of High Life.

Sandwiches and salad for supper, because I didn't want to heat up the kitchen.

Beasts of England

The Sterling is a cab, natch.

Miss Marple

http://tammybruce.com/2015/05/flotus-speaks-at-museum-opening-pulls-out-race-card.html

Beasts of England

It's the Champagne of Beers, Miss Marple! I like your style! :)

lyle

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/05/06/jade-helm-military-exercise-causing-political-firestorm-in-texas-western-states/?intcmp=latestnews

Gohmert explained that his concerns stem from the way the military is approaching the exercise. He cited a widely circulated map which details the seven states that are part of the exercise – California, Nevada, Utah, New Mexico, Arizona, Colorado and Texas. The map has Utah and Texas colored red and labels them “hostile.” It labels other states as “permissive,” leaning hostile” and “leaning friendly.

Why should anything this goddamn administration does be given the benefit of the doubt?

Porchlight

I'm actually kind of shocked at the Garland mayor's statement. I guess I shouldn't be.

Beasts of England

I'm shocked, too, Porchlight. I have some relatives in Garland and I'm pretty sure they wouldn't agree with the idiot mayor. Heaven forbid we blame the morons doing the shooting. Sheesh!

Extraneus

If the mayor had balls, he'd invite jihadis to come to his town for some more home-spun hospitality. And if Americans in general had any, all mayors would reciprocate, especially those with armed citizens.

That's the only reasonable response. Not cowardice.

lyle

From MM's 5:54:

First lady Michelle Obama used a speech Monday that was supposed to be celebrating the opening of a new museum to instead dig deeper the racial divide that’s been growing ever wider during her husband’s presidency.

Gee, Moochie, ever wonder about the width of that racial divide and why it's growing? Does a Princeton degree come with any formal logic training?

Threadkiller

Maybe the mayor could throw a party like they did in High Plains Drifter.

Extraneus

I think four games would be pretty stiff, Extraneus.

Shouldn't cheating warrant a stiffer penalty than multiple players have received for smoking pot?

lyle

Paint it red, right, TK?

daddy

I guess no one told them that they were skating on thin ice. If you're going to ski on thin ice I would think that a nice thick wet suit would be in order.

Matt,

My guess is that your ancestor Ernest Shackleton,
and Manny T's ancestor Bassett Jones
wouldn't have been recommending skiing over thin polar ice in their underwear as an intelligent practice.

BTW, If other JOMer's were like me, unfamiliar with Bassett Jones, he led the unsuccessful charge in 1935 to get Nantucket to secede from Massachusetts, and He came out of retirement in the 1930s to direct the installation of the Empire State elevators in 1930, only on condition that they “do it my way.” At the same time he chaired a subcommittee of the Merchants Association which successfully recommended the end of elevator speed limits which had previously been capped at 700 feet per minute.

Some Guy

I think a strong negative inference can be drawn from Brady not sharing his text messages


TC,

I'm not sure what you would base that negative inference on. In fact, Wells own report tends to undermine the potential for a negative inference, since the report states that there was no communication, text or telephone, between Brady and Jastremski for six months prior to the AFC championship.

They apparently have all the texts for the two employees, including ones from Brady after the fact, so what would be basis for a negative inference?

Porchlight

Mr. Porch has relatives in Garland, too, Beasts. Maybe they'll vote that mayor out.

Say, I saw your wine choice - "very full and jammy" - sounds good, esp. for the price. Trader Joe's sells a Cab like that which is under their label but could be from Sterling.

I kind of like the "old leather, tobacco, shoe polish" kind of flavors myself. Usually Burgundy. ;)

Beasts of England

I'm sure the First Wookie is well versed in logic. But not ours, the kind from Kashyyyk.

Threadkiller

Yep, lyle with a great big "Welcome Home" sign over a banquet prepared for the murderers.

Beasts of England

I'm trying to wean myself off of shoe polish, Porch. But you know what they say about old habits. :)

Buckeye

"They can return to their own countries if they don't like our speech".

Any reason would be OK by me.

Miss Marple

My daughter works at a museum which has done "community outreach." Once a monthe they have free admission for resident of the surrounding inner-city community.

Mostly a lot of unsupervised kids running around and yelling. I don't think they were interested in the exhibit of the clay warriors from China.

Porchlight

Some Guy, my understanding is that they only have McNally and Jastremski's phone info. They don't have text messages Brady may have sent to anyone else because Brady wouldn't share.

Porchlight

Looks like you picked the wrong week to quit the shoe polish, Beasts. :)

Extraneus

Don't they only have Brady's texts from the peons' phones? Did Brady know they had the peons' phones before refusing to give up his own?

Beasts of England

lol, Porch!!

lyle

Cask 23 is a big boy, Beasts, you big spender. I haven't tasted it in a few years but the SLD is one my fave CA AVAs. And Sterling has really made a comeback lately for a decent wine at a great px.

For those who like Italian wines, buy all you can get of the '10 Brunellos. The wine press is falling all over themselves with high scores. I really think one may assign a 101 pretty soon...

Some Guy

Some Guy, my understanding is that they only have McNally and Jastremski's phone info. They don't have text messages Brady may have sent to anyone else because Brady wouldn't share.


But since the three are the only members of the "conspiracy" aren't those the ones that matter?

It's a complete leap, based on no evidence, to assume that Brady texted something nefarious to some unknown 4th party who isn't even part of the alleged conspiracy.

Threadkiller

What they have is a guy that said Brady told him where the ball psi needed to be. We also have Brady claiming he never met the guy.

Somehow the balls were at Brady's perfered psi.

Case closed.

Extraneus

It's a complete leap, based on no evidence, to assume that Brady texted something nefarious to some unknown 4th party who isn't even part of the alleged conspiracy.

True. Besides, he's probably smart enough to have called Giselle and Belichick instead of texting them.

Tonto

Miss Marple: Did you ever run across anything like this in your ebay travels?

daddy

establish bear-feeding stations well outside of town...Set up a web cam and they could probably get donations from the lower 48...NAME them with cute names and you could probably recoup the lost oil revenue with sales of t-shirts and posters.

Miss M,

Would you mind helping me write that up as a Ballot Initiative:)

Some Guy

"What they have is a guy that said Brady told him where the ball psi needed to be. We also have Brady claiming he never met the guy.

Somehow the balls were at Brady's perfered psi.

Case closed."


Great. What is the exact number for the preferred psi? Who testified to that number? And is that number below 12.5?

I'm seem to have missed those facts in the report.

jimmyk on iPhone

Maybe if Geller had been a Garland resident, the mayor wouldn't haveade the stupid comment. Not that it should make a difference.

Miss Marple

Tonto,

No, although I heard about it from my daughter, who ran across an article about it.

I rarely do dolls unless I can get them dirt cheap. And I only like dolls from the 40's onwards. Those dolls from the 19th century and early 20th century are way too creepy looking for me, even though if you happen to get one which is rare you can command high dollar prices.

Doll people are just different, and I do not like to sell them. one of my sisters collects dolls and when I asked her to write up a description for one that she wanted me to sell, she wrote like it was an ACTUAL PERSON.

(Insert my eye-rolling face here.)

So I mostly don't look for them. By the way, you should search on eBay for HAUNTED dolls. That will really give you the creeps!

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