Traditional Saturday Morning Heart Attack Post

This article on the improvements in treating heart attacks is fascinating. A lot of the improvement did not require breakthrough drugs or technology, but involved doing some (relatively) simple and well-understood things more quickly.

With no new medical discoveries, no new technologies, no payment incentives — and little public notice — hospitals in recent years have slashed the time it takes to clear a blockage in a patient’s arteries and get blood flowing again to the heart.

The changes have been driven by a detailed analysis of the holdups in treating patients and a nationwide campaign led by the American College of Cardiology, a professional society for specialists in heart disease, and theAmerican Heart Association.

 

Two examples:

Hospitals across the country have adopted common-sense steps that include having paramedics transmit electrocardiogram readings directly from ambulances to emergency rooms and summoning medical teams with a single call that sets off all beepers at once.

Wave the time/motion experts on stage for a bow!

And yes, this isn't brain surgery, although the neurologists are taking notice:

The improvements in treatment have spilled over into the care of stroke victims. Neurologists watched with envy as cardiologists slashed their times. For strokes, too, the time it takes to be treated with the clot-dissolving drug tPA is of the essence. “Time is brain,” neurologists say. They began to copy the cardiologists.

“Seeing that someone else could do it was remarkably motivating and a little bit competitive,” said Dr. Lee H. Schwamm, the chief of stroke services at Massachusetts General Hospital. “If they can do it, why can’t we?”

 

 

 

Comments

[henry]

Details, little things in execution. "Get your fat ass I gear" may be a micro aggression but micro aggression saves lives.

[henry]

"in gear"

Fortunately a slow response to a new post has no medical consequence.

[MarkO]

First.

We owe it all to the awesomeness of ObamaCare.

[MarkO]

Not first. Not even second.

[rse]

OL-loved your story from the earlier thread. The Diva is enroute to your other home base as I write this. Weird feeling the first time they fly alone.

Of course the child will have been in boston, nyc, san fran, dc, and then pittsburgh in less than 4 months.

I never even went to nyc until I was in law school and interviewing with firms.

[sbw]

Hey, daddy . . . Just used your Japanese fly swatter tweezers to rid our window sill of a dead wasp. Thank you for it. The swatter has a prized place on top of our fridge, ready for emergency use.

[Stephanie]

Gary Player went on an epic rant about Chambers Bay this morning:

http://www.golfdigest.com/blogs/the-loop/2015/06/gary-player-with-an-epic-rant.html?mbid=social_facebook

[Cispigmented Heteronormative Microagressive Ignatz]

I enjoyed Debbie Doniger's video a lot more than Gary Player's rant. : )

[Stephanie]

BTW the hot golf chick y'all were raving about yesterday is Holly Sonders from the Golf Channel. She does a lot of the instructional shows as the 'student.'

[Michael (fpa Patriot4Freedom)]

re NHL announcers . . .
Surprised to hear that "Doc" Emrick is a big favorite. I cannot bear to listen to his voice. To me he sounds like he is almost shouting, in a nasally voice, and he is just grating to my ears.

I love the LA Kings announcing team of Bob Miller and Jim Fox, but that's because I listened to Miller calling games for nearly 25 years. For my money, Gary Thorne and Bill Clement were the best national announcing team, on the NHL games for ESPN in the 90's.

Interesting analysis of each NHL team's announcers here:

http://www.sbnation.com/2011/7/8/2250696/nhl-broadcaster-rankings-announcers-commentators

[anonamom]

btw, if you think somebody's having a heart attack--have them chew an aspirin while you are waiting for the EMTS. If they can't chew, stick it under their tongue. They'll absorb it.

And if you see somebody just drop---turn them on their back, and if you can't feel a carotid pulse, raise your fist up to your shoulder, and hit them as hard as you can over their heart, then start CPR.

They don't tell you to do this any more, but I've restored sinus rhythm in patients who were fibrillating three times by doing this.

And CPR sure as heck is not brain surgery. Worth taking the couple of hours to do a course to know how to do it.

Chambers Bay is UGLY. Is it a converted former garbage dump, like Mt. Brighton in Michigan? Views are gorgeous though.
Looks like a Mideast refugee camp. Why did they bother to leave that single tree?

[Old Lurker]

RSE "Weird feeling the first time they fly alone.

Of course the child will have been in boston, nyc, san fran, dc, and then pittsburgh in less than 4 months."

Tru dat. By the time my wife and I went to Australia for the first and only time, both daughters had already been there...one for three months working in a geek lab, and the other for two weeks dancing on stage.

Now mind you...both these girls, having been driven by me from Potomac to DC for school from the 7th - 12th grades, did not know the way when they got their own driver's licenses.

[Beasts of England]

Shade?

[DebinNC]

Thanks for the tips, anonamom. I will pound dh's heart as hard as I can ... if necessary.

[Cispigmented Heteronormative Microagressive Ignatz]

I believe it is an old sand a gravel pit, Anonamom.

[anonamom]

Had a similar experience when mine got their licenses.
We do our children no favors by acting as their servants.

There is a reason anxiety and depression is rampant on college campuses, and girls think they are sexually assaulted because some guy wants to get in their pants.

We've raised a generation of clueless snowflakes.

[Threadkiller]

Hospitals across the country have adopted common-sense steps that include having paramedics transmit electrocardiogram readings directly from ambulances to emergency rooms...

No shit?

Who would have thought that Emergency was science fiction?

[Beasts of England]

Holly Sonders appears to have a very nice personality.

[Michael (fpa Patriot4Freedom)]

A few really interesting old pics of the sand and gravel pit that became the Chambers Bay golf course.

Numbers 8 through 10 are the best . . .

http://search.tacomapubliclibrary.org/images/dt6n.asp?un=9&pg=1&krequest=subjects+contains+Pioneer+Sand+Gravel+Co%2E+and+Steilacoom+&stemming=&phonic=&fuzzy=&maxfiles=

[Threadkiller]

For the pedantic among us, I know that an ECG/EKG isn't what is being transmitted to Rampart in that scene.

[Michael (fpa Patriot4Freedom)]

Oops !

*This* should be the main page's link:

http://search.tacomapubliclibrary.org/images/dt6n.asp?pg=1&krequest=subjects+contains+Pioneer+Sand+Gravel+Co%2E+and+Steilacoom+&stemming=&phonic=&fuzzy=&maxfiles=

[Threadkiller]

For the more serious pedantic I may take that back. According to Wikipedia it is an ECG.

[Threadkiller]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biophone

[Cispigmented Heteronormative Microagressive Ignatz]

Revolutionary blowhard speaks truth to Leviathan's power;
Trump: I can protect entitlements better than Huckabee.
No wonder the Dems are trembling laughing.

[jimmyk]

Gary Player is turning 80 this year. He still looks the same as when he was on the tour. I want whatever he's having.

[Frau Fliegeralarm]

lol TK

[Frau Fliegeralarm]

Forget about Pilates and Riptoe---
For a good night's sleep: "It's time to put cash under the mattress"...

I bet that means paper money.

[lyle]

There's a big ad for The Open in the Arena section of Friday's WSJ. There's three players. Guess who is the most prominent. Pretty sure the other two missed the cut as well.

[lyle]

Okay, two out of the three missed the cut, one in spectacular fashion.

[Marlene on the phone]

Beautiful day here. Yesterday we went up north to celebrate my mother-in-law's 85th birthday. When I say up north,I could see Canada from her front porch. We returned this morning,driving on a back road.Lovely views of Mt. Katahdin,the northern terminus of the AT. The northern Maine woods are perfect if you ever need to go into witness protection. :)

[Beasts of England]

Must be Rickie and Tiger, lyle.

If the Fox announcers don't hush up, I'll be locating the mute button and cranking up the Pacific Northwest's Soundgarden. First track: Limo Wreck.

[Captain Hate on the iPad]

I've camped on the side of the AT within sight of Katahdin. Quite a degree of difficulty between points A and B.

[lyle]

Can you site people ban this pustule already?

[Beasts of England]

Need a hug?

[DebinNC]

Free speach slugs need kosher salt.

That one has me stumped.

[daddy]

Hey, daddy . . .Just used your Japanese fly swatter tweezers to rid our window sill of a dead wasp.

This is the marvelous tripartite Japanese Flyswatter SBW mentions above, which I suspect is making the rest of you guys green with envy:

As you can see it follows the Platonic ideal of a Fly Swatter head, but being designed in a Zen society to squash Asian bugs, it's lines and color are a bit more exotic and intriguing than usually appear in Western Kitchens.

Here's a close up of its slightly larger than standard "Swat" area:

Here's a view of the unexpected yet very sensible detachable dust pan, allowing easy scooping up of the dead bug for transport to the garbage can:

And here we witness the true genius of this marvelous device, the large detachable plastic tweezers, stored conveniently in the handle, which SBW and the missus have excitedly utilized this afternoon in the removal of what I suspect was a dead Vespula Maculata.

The swatter has a prized place on top of our fridge, ready for emergency use.

But of course:) Banzai!

[Beasts of England]

Do you use an interlocking or an overlapping grip with that driver?

[henry]

How did you know sbw was beset by flying insects requiring the finest oriental know how?

[rich@gmu]

DebinNC-

nice tributes you posted on the previous thread.

here is a pic that I found from the '87 march (had linked it before here).

http://newsblaze.com/photo/20111125/Themayor_jpg

(it is from this article http://newsblaze.com/story/20111127082839pbil.nb/topstory.html)

[Miss Marple]

My grandson is on a cruise as a guest of the parents of a good friend. He has never been on a cruise or out of the country.

He texted a video from their suite balcony (the parents are Diamond Club members) and my daughter-in-law said he sounded like Jethro Bodine. LOL!

They are on Oasis of the Seas, largest cruise ship in the world. He had to buy a suit before he left because some of their dinners will be in the glam restaurant which is old-style cruise ship.

Here is a link to the ship's web site. I must admit, I never was interested in a cruise but this looks awfully swank:

http://www.royalcaribbean.com/findacruise/ships/class/ship/home.do?shipClassCode=OA&shipCode=OA&br=R&wuc=USA&ECID=ps_br_agt_yh_1608&dclid=CJ6I9_2En8YCFVFhMAod1rkPgw

[rich@gmu]

Superunknown great album beasts

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vh5JTWxuYE8

[Jeff Dobbs]

Beasts:
Do you use an interlocking or an overlapping grip with that driver?

Consider going cross-handed. Not doable with a driver - but pretty good control for this application.

[DebinNC]

Thanks for those Mayor Riley links, rich. What a blessing he's been to Charleston for 41 years, and how fortunate we all are that someone as wise and beloved as Riley is in charge there now.

[DebinNC]

Wow, beautiful ship, MM.

[Beasts of England]

It's a nice score for the tournament, rich! I unmute when the golf skirt chick comes on the screen...

Or you could use The Claw, Jeff!! ;)

[Beasts of England]

Smells minty fresh in here!

[henry]

Beasts, that is the correct way to watch TV (the score will vary, but the method is good).

[caro]

Jane beat me at Putt-Putt on that very ship.

[rich@gmu]

DebinNC-

amazingly he was elected in 1975 ...

[rich@gmu]

... some of my comment didn't make it to my fingers. His tenure has been called a benevolent dictatorship but he really has led the city through some dark days

[Rocco]

These should be everywhere!

Portable Defibrillators

Simple to use and you can't screw up. Just follow the directions.

[sbw]

How did you know sbw was beset by flying insects requiring the finest oriental know how?

Actually, Fortuna was responsible -- it was a substitute for the KinderEggs confiscated by Customs.

[Rocco]

I'm out of Turkey Joints!

[rich@gmu]

I remember the march and all the hostility everyone had for the marchers ... shops closed along the route, out-of-towners making trouble. very different than how the media would portray the city.

funniest thing to me though was some of my classmates talking about the hot new spring break destination ... Charleston. What?

...just don't try swimming in Breach Inlet.

[Extraneus]

When I was in Charleston in November, there was a big Charleston magazine in the hotel with Mayor Riley's pic on the cover and a long article about his 41-year career. (He's retiring after his current term.)

Walking around downtown, I noticed his law office. (Being mayor must be a part-time job.) I can't find a pic, but it was a small storefront thing with nice big letters of his name above the door. Dark red, if I remember right, down near the water.

[Extraneus]

I see that my post on pork rectums was prescient.

Btw, shouldn't the box labels have said "recta?"

[sbw]

Rocco: I'm out of Turkey Joints!

Too good, aren’t they. If they are in the house, I gain weight.

[Beasts of England]

Al-righty then. What's a turkey joint?

(And if I've waded into a huge pun...)

[Old Lurker]

It's where Ben & DD hang out?

[rich@gmu]

http://charlestonmag.com/features/oh_joe_one_year_to_go

here is the link to the article you mentioned.

it has been a while since I've been down that way.

[daddy]

Since earlier in the week I compared the importance of Pool Tables to Mark Twain and Charles Darwin, today's US Open Golf discussion has prompted me to examine these 2 titans relations to the Game of Golf, and out of it has come a surprising result, to be revealed below.

First Mark Twain. We all know Twain's fabulous quote on Holly Sonders "A Good Walk Spoiled."

Great line! Here it is in french: ,

and here's another quality line from the creator of Tom Sawyer and Huck Finn:

I might actually pay attention to that second one if I was at this course in Elmira New York:

But then eventually you run into the pedantic quote Nazi's who tell us that mark Twain never said "Golf is a Good Walk Spoiled." I don't believe them of course, even tho's thee is precedence for believing Mark Twain was a liar:

Huck Finn: YOU don't know about me without you have read a book by the name of The Adventures of Tom Sawyer; but that ain't no matter. That book was made by Mr. Mark Twain, and he told the truth, mainly. There was things which he stretched, but mainly he told the truth. That is nothing. I never seen anybody but lied one time or another, without it was Aunt Polly, or the widow, or maybe Mary. Aunt Polly - Tom's Aunt Polly, she is - and Mary, and the Widow Douglas is all told about in that book, which is mostly a true book, with some stretchers, as I said before.

So enough about Twain. Now we turn to Charles Darwin's involvement with Golf.

At first glance it seems unpromising:( I can find no reference or mention of Charles Darwin having played a round of Golf in his life, nor any mention of the links in his many letters or books. It is true that Charles Darwin did invent Ice Hockey, to the great anger and consternation of Canadiens:

----

Blow to Canadian cousins as book claims their national sport evolved on frozen ponds of England...

it now appears that ice-hockey, Canada’s national game, can be added to the list, with a letter from Charles Darwin suggesting the naturalist was one of the game’s first players.

In a letter dated 1 March, 1853, Darwin writes to his son William, who has gone to Shrewsbury School where the father of evolutionary theory had been a pupil: “My Dear Old Willy… have you got a pretty good pond to skate on? I used to be very fond of playing at Hocky on the ice in skates.”

All well and good if you care about that uninteresting sport---on a par with George Washington knocking around the cricket ball with the troops at Valley Forge,
but not to get too sidetracked, so back to Darwin and Golf.

So the Quote Nazi's attacking Mark Twain's quote, (linked above), say this:

Saturday Evening Post (August 1948) If Mark Twain, who once crustily called a game of golf a good walk spoiled, had ever ventured to the venerable gray-stone city of St. Andrews on the bleak east coast of Scotland, the outraged citizens would have given him the Scottish equivalent of the bum’s rush.

Balderdash@#$. St Andrews I am confident would welcome Twain's comment, whether he said it or not.
And why do I feel so confident Twain would be welcomed at St Andrews? Because guess who was Captain of The Royal and Ancient Golf Club of St Andrews?

That's right, Chuck's favorite grandson, Bernard Darwin!

Golf: The Darwin Connection

Bernie, as Chuck fans know, was raised by Darwin in his last years, since Bernard's mom died at birth, so Bernie stayed in Down House with the old Hockey and Pool player and became his great delight in Charle's last years.

According to Wiki, Bernard Darwin covered golf for The Times from 1907 to 1953 and for Country Life from 1907 to 1961, the first writer ever to cover golf on a daily basis, instead of as an occasional feature.

He played the game at an excellent level himself well into middle age, and competed in The Amateur Championship on 26 occasions across five decades between 1898 and 1935, with his best results being semi-final appearances in 1909 and 1921. In 1922, while in the United States to report on the first Walker Cup amateur team match between Britain and Ireland and the U.S., and also appointed as non-playing captain, Darwin was pressed into service at the last minute as a player, when one of the British team members, Robert Harris, was unable to play. He lost his team match, but won his singles match.

In 2005, Darwin was elected to the World Golf Hall of Fame Here's much more, and his exciting relation to the US Open of 1913.

Next week's exciting installment, "What did Mark Twain and Charles Darwin drink?"

[lyle]

Well, I'll be! State Farm is there!

[rich@gmu]

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[Frau Fliegeralarm]

Hi, rich! Good to hear from you.

[Beasts of England]

It's in the hole!!

[Jack The Trans-Former]

daddy,

Charles Darwin didn't play golf but he did play tennis on a hour-glass lined concrete (hard) court that was laid out on his estate in Kent.

Finally in our hotel in Boston with a great close view of the Coast Guard Station and the 3 large and armed cruisers currently in port. Eating in, drinking in, while watching the US Open. Good to see Jason Day able to play. Hope he can make it through and be competitive.

Phil is toast.

Speith and Reed soon to tee off. Should be compelling golf.

Who can make the putts on these greens, wins.

[Jeff Dobbs]

daddy:
Next week's exciting installment, "What did Mark Twain and Charles Darwin drink?"

If possible, please also include how much.

[rich@gmu]

thanks frau.

[Miss Marple]

daddy, You should write a book on these two and their associations with various sports and comestibles.

With lots of pictures, it would be a great gift book for those who love golf, pool, spirits, etc.

You could fill it with quotes and witty asides.

Guaranteed best-seller!

[lyle]

Poof, the magic dragoon.

[rich@gmu]

lol ... must be some new changes afoot.

[rich@gmu]

DOCTOR SHORTAGE WORSENS IN UK...

SKELETON STAFFING NEW NORM IN HOSPITALS...

single payer inevitable.

[Jane]

That was the same ship we were on for the last cruise. I hated it. There were more people on that ship than live in Sturbridge. But I could also see how people would love it. If my agenda was to be on a ship with endless stuff to do, I would choose that one.

It had cabins with balconies overlooking the inside of the ship which they called "Central Park". It certainly reminded me of Manhattan.

[Miss Marple]

Jane,

Since my grandson is 18 and has never been on a cruise or outside the country, and has never really had too much experience with swank stuff, he will love it and be entertained. Bonus is that he will remember it when he gets worn out with studying and will keep plugging away.

He already figured out how much it cost the parents to pay for all of this (airfare included) so he is inspired to make mucho dinero in the years ahead.

So for me, I am grateful the parents invited him.

For me, I would just as soon go to Clearwater, walk on the beach with my coffee in the morning, and then bask by the pool while the waiters bring me pina coladas.

[daddy]

Charles Darwin didn't play golf but he did play tennis on a hour-glass lined concrete (hard) court that was laid out on his estate in Kent.

JiB,

That was neat to see, and speaking of Tennis, just a moment ago seeing Sergio Garcia on the course I wondered what happened to his old Tennis girlfriend, Martina Hingis. I always liked her and thought she was way cute, so googling I see she has just come out of 8 years of retirement to play some Doubles Tourney: Tennis-Swiss Miss Hingis hoping to be a big hit in Fed Cup

Good to see she's still smiling and still in great shape.

MM,

Neat cruise story. I imagine the Grandson is having a wonderful time. That's great he has a chance to do that. I really enjoyed your link this morning to Father George Rutler: Mixing Up the Sciences of Heaven and Earth

I thought this guys comment was on the money:

Craig Roberts Anonymous • 2 days ago
THANK YOU! I'm sitting here reading what sounds like the inane ramblings of a two-bit poly-sci professor and thinking, "because I'm Catholic, and this is what the pope says, I'm not supposed to point out the obvious truth that the majority of this is garbage"? Every other sentence is either incomprensible pretentious gas (insert eco-joke here) or just a worn out cliche of a political opinion (public transportation, animal extinctions, etc.). And I'm thinking, "C, mon! I can't be the only one that sees this for what it is."

BTW here's the Darwin Ice Hockey story I failed to link: Move over, Canada! Was Charles Darwin one of ice-hockey’s first players?

[peter]

daddy, you rock

[Jeff Dobbs]

Fact: it takes more balls to play pool than it does golf.

(unless you're really, really bad at golf)

[Jeff Dobbs]

Wait. Who let a peter comment through!?!1?!!?

[Beasts of England]

Having scrolled through the boat's brochure, I would think any 18 year old would go absolutely nuts on board! It must be wonderous for them. And they tend not to mind the throngs of people like us in the off-my-lawn crowd. ;)

[Jane]

He will definitely love it MM. I bet he has a wonderful time.

[Miss Marple]

daddy, As a convert I am especially disappointed with the encyclical. I am sorry to say I don't think Pope Francis is very bright (which is probably why he was a big hit with the cardinals).

My current plan is to go to mass every Sunday and listen to my priest (who studied in Rome and knew Ratzinger before he became pope). He is not a liberal type and regretted that Mitch Daniels didn't run for president.

And this current bout of silliness makes me wonder if Pope Benedict was forced out by SINISTER FORCES.

I liked Benedict a lot. He was a good teacher.

This guy appears on my Twitter feed and insults me with stuff like "Reporters should send me good vibrations if they cannot pray."

Seriously, I am almost to the point of unfollowing the Vatican account.

[daddy]

Able was I ere I saw Elba Englewood, New Jersey.

[Jeff Dobbs]

If I said, "you couldn't pay me to go on a cruise" I'd be lying.

Sure, if I was paid to go, I probably would.

"You couldn't put a gun to my head and make me pay to go on a cruise" is probably closer to the truth.

To each his own - cruise boats just don't float mine. Luckily for me, mrs hit and run feels the same.

[Jack The Trans-Former]

I thought Allure of the Seas was the largest cruise ship in the world?

Speith starts to run away and the course says NO. NO. I am in charge of what you mortal golfers want to do. I decide and you just have to obey all my commands.

[jimmyk]

Daddy @6:43, it seems that there might have been some shrinkage.

[henry]

JimmyK, cold storage.

[jimmyk]

And congrats to Max Scherzer on a near-perfect no-hitter. Last Sunday he threw a one-hitter, the only hit being a bloop single in the 7th. Today he just missed a perfect game with two out in the 9th when the batter stuck his elbow out and got hit by the pitch. No hits, no walks, and a questionable HBP.

[Extraneus]

I was on a dinner cruise once on the LI Sound, and after we got out there in the middle, I had a strong urge to be back on land. Of course that wasn't possible for a few hours, so I experienced not quite thalassophobia, but something close.

And I have a boat.

Maybe I'd like a really big ship - never been on one - but I find that while I enjoy driving on the water and going places, I'd rather tie up to land than anchor.

I guess it's the stopping in the middle that bugs me. My wife loves it, though, so I do it all the time.

(She'll probably read this at some point and we'll have to discuss it. She reads JOM, but doesn't like to be less than a week behind.)

Go figure, on both of our accounts. :-)

[narciso]

this was the piece I mentioned on the other thread:

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/06/20/baltimore-police-chief-batts-more-officers-likely-to-be-arrested-forced-out-as-result-of-reforms/

[Jane]

JIB,

I bet you would go on a JOM cruise. I'm with you, I hate cruises. HATE. But you don't go on an NRO cruise (at least the Carribean ones) for the cruise part. It's the same thing as a week long JOM party with really cool speakers.

[Beasts of England]

JOM Cruise? Would it have to tender in extra booze on a daily basis?

[henry]

Beasts, why would it leave the dock?

[maryrose]

Jeff
Get out of my head
I also have no desire to go on a cruise

[maryrose]

I am afraid of getting sick on the food and I also have a motion sickness problem

[sbw]

Al-righty then. What's a turkey joint?

They wrap a large ball of melted chocolate and brazil nuts, enrobed in sugar that has been melted and pulled into a taffy sheet. The sheet of sugar is sealed around the chocolate and nuts and the end is pulled until it is stretched to a diameter of 1/2 to 1 inch. They clip off six inch segments that look like turkey leg bones.

Cooled and packaged they are luxurious and compelling finger food.

Only manufactured at Nora’s Candy Shop in Rome, NY between October and May.

[Jack The Trans-Former]

Jane,

We are big time cruisers mostly Cunard back and forth to Eiurope and Holland America for the Carib and Med. I would love to do a JOM crusie but with Frederick's school schedule it is difficult. I did sign up once and lost my deposit because it interfered with one of his recital dates.

Jordan and Dustin doing the old bogey-birdie two step.

[Beasts of England]

Thanks, sbw - sounds pretty good!

[Beasts of England]

That's why you're the brains of the operation, henry. ;)

[Jane]

HIt,

My apologies. I knew I was talking to you but I think my fingers must be drunk or something.

[caro]

Rocco, could I lure you to the Cape with a promise to share my turkey joints?

Loved your fish pics BTW.