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June 26, 2015



I will leave this thread birther free.

Thanks for the chuckle, TM!

Captain Hate

Btw, to carry the Article V argument here, I think the "diversity" of the country should mitigate against a rewrite of the Constitution being too extreme in either direction. Two thirds is an almost unattainable level of support for anything these days; maybe even opposition to 404Care.

Cecil Turner

Let's get out the Iran deal scorecard . . .

    Let's see:
  1. Monitoring and Verification--nope;
  2. Possible Military Dimensions--nope;
  3. Advanced Centrifuges--nope;
  4. Sanctions Relief--nope;
  5. Consequences of Violations--yeah, right.
Perfect score: 0 for 5!


If i get Alzheimer, my instructions are to give me 14 bars a day, just to be safe!

Captain Hate

Donald Trump plus Jorge Ramos plus a 20 foot steel cage: Two idiots go in, hopefully none leave:


Cecil Turner

I will say this for him: when people discuss Obama, they generally frown. When they discuss teh Donald, they almost always smile. It's a feature.



I guess Jeb Bush's "act of love" comment is the real reason illegal aliens break our laws.

Those poor, poor "immigrants," such hatred directed at them.

You want to see 2/3 of the country get behind something, CH? If Trump doesn't back down you will see his support hit those numbers.

Old Lurker

In other SCOTUS news yesterday...

"Stop calling it fair housing law. If it was ever a matter of fairness, it isn’t now.

Under today’s 5-4 Supreme Court holding in Texas Department of Housing and Community Affairs v. Inclusive Communities Project, you can be held liable for housing discrimination whether or not you or anyone in your organization intended to discriminate. Instead — to quote Justice Anthony Kennedy, who joined with the Court’s four liberals in a 5-4 majority — you might have been influenced by “unconscious prejudice” or “stereotyping” when you lent money or rented apartments or carried on appraisal or brokerage or planning functions. What you did had “disparate impact” on some race or other legally protected group, and now you’re caught up in potentially ruinous litigation in which it’s up to you to show that you had a good reason for what you did and could not have arranged your actions in some other way that had less disparate impact.

The decision is quite broad in its implications. For example, in employment discrimination law, where disparate impact has long been legally established, it is increasingly legally dangerous to ask job applicants about criminal records, or carry out criminal background checks on them before a job offer, for fear of disparate impact. Is it still safe to ask such questions of prospective tenants in your apartment building? Better ask your lawyer.

Read more at http://spectator.org/blog/63263/scotus-okays-liability-unintentional-housing-discrimination"

Captain Hate

Bike accident goof getting the vapors:



In guess I'd better read the link you posted while I was typing, CH.

Captain Hate

Hewitt was on Levin last night and was defending Roberts as trying to defend the Court by not crossing 404 and sparking a destabilizing response. Levin was having no part of it.

Even if Hewitt is correct, why is everybody afraid to take on the JEF? The gutlessness of everybody, particularly the "opposition party" is at least as much the problem as 404.


Read it. Until Walker announces, my choices are still Rand Paul and Donald Trump.

I live in a State where my vote doesn't ever count so I may as well poke the corrupt GOP in the eyeball.

Captain Hate

Btw, Hewitt used to work alongside of Roberts in the Reagan administration.


Wake up to find out about the attacks in France and Tunisia.

Hopefully won't be long before the world wakes up and figures out it is time to eradicate this vermin.


Even if Hewitt is correct, why is everybody afraid to take on the JEF?

I promised to not discuss that topic on this thread.

Reince Vader

I may as well poke the corrupt GOP in the eyeball.

I find your lack of faith disturbing.


If Roberts voted the way he did to avoid a confrontation with Obama, he did a very wrong thing. Obama's propensity for going obviously extra-legal defeats him, rather than strengthens him. (See immigration. Iran may prove another example, but TBD.)

Cispigmented Heteronormative Microagressive Ignatz

Patrick Macnee, AKA John Steed of the real Avengers, dead at 93.

Cispigmented Heteronormative Microagressive Ignatz

I wonder if Hewitt realizes that is not a defense of Roberts but a condemnation.

Cispigmented Heteronormative Microagressive Ignatz

A revealing article by some numbat pinko;
Why liberals should cut Nikki Haley some slack on the Confederate flag
It's rather amusing to read as she charitably grants understanding to the notion of how all of us can be mistaken at times and how hard it is to admit one is wrong and how salutary it is do so and how one should be generous to those who do.
The amusing part is none of this insight seems to budge her belief that the only ones wrong are those who disagree with her and none of her own ideas are subject to examination.


Seems to me the idea this decision was correct rests on the belief that the purpose of the ACA is to provide universal, affordable health care. In that light, limiting subsidies to states with exchanges makes no sense.

Of course, the purpose of the ACA is eventual national control of health care, affordability and cost barely a consideration. "Established by the state" makes perfect sense in that context.


Same sex marriage passed. Roberts dissent in direct contradiction to yesterday's ruling.


Haley will be significantly "budged" in her next election run, mark my words.


Of course it passed.

We really are not a country anymore. The 1 and 2nd amendment is under withering attack, and somehow there is a right to "gay marriage" and "abortion" in the Constitution.

What a sorry farce.

Old Lurker

Who cares, Jane? As I said at the end of the previous thread, their work on the Constitution was accomplished yesterday and there is not much left to save. It's just cleaning up loose ends from here on out.


Today's ruling made me sad, even though I was expecting it. I'm going to the lake for a week and ignore the celebrations. Y'all play nice.

Old Lurker

Well why the hell not? This fits right in with our new reality.

"JACKSONVILLE, Fla. -- For those who prefer to back vehicles into their driveways, a proposal pending before City Council would make it illegal to park their cars that way unless their license plate information is clearly visible from the street.

The proposed bill is aimed at cracking down on the visual blight that occurs when vehicle owners store cars that don't work on their property.

Proponents say it's needed because city code enforcement inspectors face problems cracking down on abandoned vehicles because they need to get the license plate information in order to write a citation. If they cannot see the tags from the street because the car is backed in, they cannot go onto private property to get a closer look at the front of the vehicle."


It's still June, danoso.

Does this come out of the July quota?




CH: . . . it would be the states running it which are generally closer to the people

HAhahahahahahaha! I live in New York State.

Captain Hate

Is Jew hating a sacrament now?



Bingo, TK. Don't want to waste posts on silly birther stuff.

James D.

I'm with squaredance.

Screw it all. Let the terrorists get a nuke and blow up DC or Manhattan. Let the Yellowstone supervolcano erupt and crack north america in two. Let the seven seals break and revelations begin. At this point, I just want it over.

Cecil Turner

Here's the ruling, money graf:

The Fourteenth Amendment requires a State to license a marriage between two people of the same sex and to recognize a marriage between two people of the same sex when their marriage was lawfully licensed and performed out-of-State.
The dissent, by Roberts (joined by Scalia and Thomas who had further dissents--Alito made much the same argument in his dissent):
But this Court is not a legislature. Whether same-sex marriage is a good idea should be of no concern to us. Under the Constitution, judges have power to say what the law is, not what it should be.
Not any more, apparently. And I must say it'd have been nice for Roberts to've discovered his restraint a bit earlier; though I think both decisions are good for the GOP as election issues.

Cispigmented Heteronormative Microagressive Ignatz

I started to read the opinion but was immediately so overwhelmed with Kennedy's "inherent dignity" and "far from devaluing marriage, the petitioners seek it for themselves because of their respect and need for its privileges and responsibilities" that I gave up.

The rest will just be legalese to justify their unconstitutional social justice campaign.

Cecil Turner

I gave up.

Me too. (Besides, if it's written in the 14th amendment, my copy seems to've missed out on some of the finer print.)

To be fair, the dissents seemed unnecessarily wordy as well (or at least they had several expired equines they were still trying to flog at the end). Except for a few bits (like the one above by Roberts, and Scalia's about it not being in the Constitution) pithy, it ain't.


Words still have meaning -- A worthwhile article, even if you think Burwell was decided poorly:

The plaintiffs’ position has always reminded me of an old Amelia Bedelia story. When the literal-minded housekeeper is told by her employer to weed the garden, she decides to plant a big row of really big weeds. “She said to weed the garden,” insists Amelia Bedelia, “not unweed it.”

When asked why anyone would want more weeds, Amelia Bedelia has to stop and think. “Maybe vegetables get hot just like people,” she says. “They need big weeds to shade them.”

In his majority opinion, Chief Justice Roberts recognized that the plaintiffs’ attempt to explain why Congress would withhold subsidies for residents of some states was every bit as “implausible” – his word – as Amelia Bedelia’s notion that vegetables need shade. In his view, other provisions of the statute demonstrated that Congress meant subsidies to be available nationwide.


As I said: a sickness of the soul.

I actually think Kennedy actually believes this nonsense. "Inherent Dignity" indeed.

Remember, they picked this because it is so basic, so visceral. Now that they have gotten away with this everything will be on the table.

A full scale attack on Christians is next. They will go after the Catholics and the Evangelicals now. They will force the GOP to have to take a position.

The real tragedy is that at least half of the country will now lose all respect and faith in government, and outcome that is of course part of the plan.

A society gone mad.


I can't respond to that, danoso.


Old Lurker

"A full scale attack on Christians is next."

And how would that look differently than now?


It would be legal, that is how. They will be hauling them off to jail, denying them a livelyhood and seizing their property.

People will be forced to voice opinions in public that they are fundamentally opposed to. They will have to face their children with their fears and public lies.

That is really one of the points: to humiliate all opposition.

Literally the USSR all over again.

A Hell on Earth. The decent and productive are punished; the immoral are valorized. How long can we possible last? even a generation? Ask that of yourselves.

(And let me remind you of the Chinese OPM hack, the TPA and the Iran deal. Oh and you can bet that they are now going to get their way on "Climate Change" now as well.)

This week in so many ways we have passed into the uncharted: it cannot possibly end well.

Pure insanity. The end of us.


Also on Burwell: Six humpty dumpty’s playing calvinball

. . . winning only gets you so far when you’re up against six Humpty Dumptys playing Calvinball. When he blew past Congress’ express definition of the term “State,” Roberts inadvertently omitted his cite to Louis Carroll:

“When I use a word,” Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.”

“The question is,” said Alice, “whether you can make words mean so many different things.”

“The question is,” said Humpty Dumpty, “which is to be master — that’s all.”

When he rewrote “established by the State” to include federal Exchanges and then glossed over the absurdities that interpretation creates elsewhere in the Act by claiming the phrase “mean different things in different places,” he likewise omitted his citation to Calvin and Hobbes: [cartoon]

The only permanent rule in Calvinball is that you can’t play it the same way twice


sbw - yep, "implausible" if all you go by is the title of the law.

Captain Hate

The Solicitor General stated in oral arguments that the tax exemptions of some religious institutions (I like that *some*) would be in question if they oppose same sex marriage.

So the Butt Brigade will be mobilized against Christian Churches but the mosques not so much.


Does this mean Mosques must now recognize married gay couples?


The reporters will get right on that.




The states should stop calling it marriage. They should call it civil unions. Whether between an man and a woman or a man and a goat, it is a state civil union. Marriage is a religious sacrament, not a state sacrament. With the civil unions can come state benefits. It should not be called marriage except through one's church. If a freak church wants to preform a "marriage", go for it.

I will never consider anything to be a marriage except between a man and a women. And the state can not force me to do otherwise.

Congrats on your civil unions!


I think both decisions are good for the GOP as election issues.

Me, too. The ads write themselves.

"Imagine what will happen to our country if this woman gets the opportunity to appoint Supreme Court justices."


Yep, Hillary will get socialized medicine and gay marriage through the court, if she wins.


The good news is the left is running out of phony causes to hit the conservatives with thanks to the court and giving up on minor issues....gay "marriage", healthcare, battle flags...

What's left? Plastic grocery bags?

Captain Hate

Has the Revrrrrun Al interviewed Calypso Louie on how the bow tied Black Scientologists will sanctify being on the down low? Mo would be so proud.


Does it trouble anyone else that while the Progressives push freedom and diversity for some, for the remainder of us, freedom and diversity are lost? It is, of course, a hoax.

You all know I am so not a conspiracy believer (pause for shaking of heads and muttering) but the Roberts shift from yesterday to today, the complete reversal of position, does raise a question. Why is such deference accorded to ObamaCare?

Dave (in MA)




Captain Hate

The progs aren't for freedom; they're str8 up tyranny.


Welp, MarkO, I'm glad you asked.

When fags get blackmailed they are subject to all demands of their overlords.

They did not let the fruitcake Roberts support gay marriage, as he had hopped, because he is the "Gimp" in the leather mask with the zippered mouth. He must obey


Well, TK, remind me not to ask you again.

Cispigmented Heteronormative Microagressive Ignatz

From Kennedy's incomprehensibly specious legacy opinion;

"Finally, it must be emphasized that religions, and those who adhere to religious doctrines, may continue to advocate with utmost, sincere conviction that, by divine precepts, same-sex marriage should not be condoned. The First Amendment ensures that religious organizations and persons are given proper protection as they seek to teach the principles that are so fulfilling and so central to their lives and faiths, and to their own deep aspirations to continue the family structure they have long revered. The same is true of those who oppose same-sex marriage for other reasons. In turn, those who believe allowing same-sex marriage is proper or indeed essential, whether as a matter of religious conviction or secular belief, may engage those who disagree with their view in an open and searching debate. The Constitution, however, does not permit the State to bar same-sex couples from marriage on the same terms as accorded to couples of the opposite sex," he said.

How fucking generous of him to allow us to disagree with his boot heel....for now.

Left tellingly unsaid in the quote is whether the state now compels churches to marry homosexuals even while disagreeing with it.

Also telling throughout the opinion is the repeated and prominent use of the term "couples"; a tacit acknowledgment this opinion logically opens the floodgates to more than just couples. What possible legal reasoning can provide a 14th amendment right to two people but not three?


If I were a believer in results based jurisprudence, I'd be happy with the results from yesterday and today. Single sex marriage, I think, will work better for society, than an alternative that, to my mind, encourages promiscuity and civil unions that are marriages, except when they are not.

And, frankly, had ACA been enforced in the way it was written, it would have been a total mess. (And the reason for that was the prior Roberts decision, which carved back the penalty a state would pay for not adopting an exchange)

But, alas, there is a small thing called rule of law (even when it is written with a crayon in the middle of the night), and another small thing called fidelity to Constitution. If the framers of the Reconstruction amendments were told they were sanctioning the marriage of man to man and woman to woman back in the 1870s, they would have called you an evil Confederate sympathizing villain, and run you out of Washington on a rail.

So, I'm not happy --


"I think both decisions are good for the GOP as election issues."

What nonsense. If that were the case we would not be in this predicament in the first place.

What are they going to do, promise to impeach SCOTUS justices and overturn their decisions?
Clear the Marxist out of the Academy? Disband the MSM? Because that is what it will take.

The GOP has just granted fast track trade authority to this President. The GOP were the motive force getting it through Congress!! They in effect have declared him dictator, and through this we will get constitutionally binding assaults on immigration, climate change, the 2nd amendment, and Heaven knows what else. Wake up!

You people just do not get it. We are beyond electoral politics now.

This is a coup. It does not matter who gets elected. Do you think that this will be an honest, rational election?

If that were the case, someone as openly corrupt as Hillary would not be running--in fact she would be in jail.

The GOP has outed themselves. I doubt they will even hold onto the Senate now. If they run another Bush Hillary is a shoe in. But tell me, why would it matter in any event?

Do you think the nation wants these Obamacare and Marriage decisions? Do you think it wants TPP? DO you think it want the immigration deals? Do you think it wants the Iran deal?

We are no longer a democratic Republic, and the GOP is just as culpable as the Democrats.
This is here now. It is not on the horizon.

I think we will see the beginning of a thoroughly demoralized nation starting this summer. I do not see America fighting back. I could have believed that even 5 years ago, but not now.

I bet the right hardly shows up in 2016. The lesson of the last election is that it does not matter who you elect. The lesson of this week is that it does not even matter who you vote for in your home state. The lesson is that plan English wording of laws do not even matter.

No matter what you do, the corrupt ruling class, and that is exactly what they are now,a ruling class, will do what they want and do it right in your face too.

It amazes me that people here are still talking about GOP political opportunities.

You might as well be talking about football teams for all the good it will do you.


Obama's double-speak is exemplary today. Damn fool thinks he's won. But he's only succeeded in bringing the hounds of hell down upon his head and is blind to what happens next.

I predict fury is about to ensue.

Cispigmented Heteronormative Microagressive Ignatz

Oops meant to end that 11:20 with;

"What possible legal reasoning can provide a 14th amendment right to two people but not three? That marriage is historically between couples?
That historical baby got thrown out with the same sex bathwater (ew)."

Dave (in MA)


or something.


I predict fury is about to ensue.

His fury. Obama is not done with us yet.

Cispigmented Heteronormative Microagressive Ignatz

So, if SCOTUS had made this decision five years ago, Barry would have been on the ramparts defying the court to enforce its heinous decision, right?


"The good news is the left is running out of phony causes to hit the conservatives with"

No, this is not good news, not at all. Now the GOP will have to face some tough questions for their constituency, and they will fold to the Nomenklatura. This is not the end of these issues in election, it is just the beginning.

I expect hate speech prosecutions of politicians not that do not tow the line now.

So this is very bad new for conservative politician or those in the GOP that posture as such.

Their constituency will see that they are undone an will just gradually fade away as electoral force.

Do you think for one second that this was about the "marriage rights" of 2% of the population?

Mark my words, this is the beginning of the end of Conservatism as a strong force in American politics that the Left must face at the ballot box.

Some people here just are not paying attention. You do not realize what has just happened. There is no going back to where we were before Obama. It is a coup. We lost.


Well, TK, remind me not to ask you again.


How about my theory from yesterday that this is the equivalent of a captive blinking a contrary Morse code message while his captors film him saying despicable things about the US?

Roberts is hoping someone seriously looks into his situation and frees him and he is doing his best to alert us that something is wrong.

Captain Hate

squaredance is bang spot on.

Thomas Collins

Another outrage against true Islam.



Does anyone still think China stole all those digital records from the Feds?


squaredance is bang spot on.

I agree.

Old Lurker

Squaredance usually is.

Thomas Collins

Roberts's opinions in 2012 and 2015 are quite consistent with the law school karma during the time he attended law school. It was not at all unusual for legal scholars not in the progressive movement to argue for great deference to Congressional enactments. Herbert Wechsler would be an example. The conservative karma was deference to Congress and opposition to use of the 14th Amendment to create fundamental rights.

I doubt that Roberts is being blackmailed. His majority opinion yesterday and dissent today are unremarkable for a conservative jurist who graduated from Harvard Law School in 1979.

Old Lurker

After you get done clearing title on that bridge I sold you, who wants to think this is going anywhere?


Old Lurker

"House Republicans reportedly are considering launching impeachment proceedings against IRS Commissioner John Koskinen or other agency officials in connection with the destruction of emails potentially connected to the scandal over Tea Party targeting.

National Review first reported that Republicans are looking at the possibility. Speaking with Fox News on Friday, House Oversight Committee member Rep. Jim Jordan, R-Ohio, appeared to acknowledge the discussions."

Old Lurker

I too doubt there is blackmail involved. After all for those in DC, the only real threat is to one's reputation, and a Roberts blackmailer could not have done worse than Roberts has done to himself.


Thanks, TC. I knew the vest would have a rational answer.

Thomas Collins

I may not be rational, MarkO, but the vest is!


I've seen several people make the point that BAD SUPREME COURT rulings make good political opportunities for the GOP.
Let me see if I understand.
Fucking the country and shitting on the Constitution is GOOD because it will make McConnell and Boehner grow balls.
How fucking stupid have we become?

Eric in Boise

Apparently the Mayor of Memphis is calling for the statue of Nathan Bedford Forrest to be removed from a public park.

Oh, and, um, the body.

You read that right. It's also a gravesite. He wants the body EXHUMED and moved to a local cemetery.

Gonna be a fun summer, folks!

Putin advisor that secretly admires The United States

I really doubt the blackmail gossip . He acts very friendly to Democrats when at State of the Union events --he'd have to be the greatest actor of all time.

Captain Hate

OL, I assume your two 11:43s are to be taken together. Going after the IRS should be a no brainer, even to the Elmer Fudd GOPe. Koskinen is a noxious little dork whom none of the usual interest groups would get behind although he could always say he likes getting his fudge packed and secure the eternal fealty of the mince meats.

How difficult is it to impeach one of those clowns? I knew that Jefferson couldn't impeach Supreme Court Justice Samuel Chase by a large margin but this is a far different animal.


Univision President Apologizes for Comparing Donald Trump to Murderer


Did Mitt get any apologies?


Gus: Roberts and Kennedy were appointed by the GOP.

How stupid have we become? Terminally so, it would seem.

Jack is Back!

An interesting series of questions regarding your stand on major political, cultural and environmental issues. It then shows your preferred candidate based on their positions.

Me? Ted Cruz 96% even though I went with Walker who was 88% of my positions.


Dave (in MA)

In the mid-90s, Bill Weld was under pressure to appoint an African-American to the MA Supreme Judicial Court. In 1996, he did so, nominating white African-American Margaret Marshall, upsetting a lot of liberals because she was an African-American, but not an African-American African-American. You know the rest of the story...

Donald Trump: I Won't Apologize for What I Said About Mexico

...Representatives for Univision announced on Thursday, June 25, that the Spanish-language network is dropping the beauty pageant, and its lineup has continued to slim as more and more celebs chose to distance themselves from the event. Co-hosts Roselyn Sanchez and Cristian de la Fuente decided to drop out, as did scheduled musical performer J Balvin.

We'll get more people," Trump told Us. "We have many people that want to do this. We're just looking right now. We couldn't care less about those two hosts backing out. I never even heard of them quite frankly."


Notice he says "couldn't care less?" More points in my book.

No apologies!


It's getting to be time for a demagogue.

Marlene on the phone

A member of the clergy,whatever denomination is given authority by the state to validate a marriage,correct? This will sound bizarre,but it happened. One of the daughter's friends was married in a big Catholic Italian wedding. Sadly,the marriage didn't last. Her friend is a lawyer,so she filed her own papers.she couldn't find the marriage certificate,because the priest hadn't filed the official forms with the state! In the eyes of the state, there wasn't a marriage. Anyway, I can see the day when churches will hold "blessing of the marriage" ceremonies after a civil marriage has taken place.



NB Forrest did establish the KKK. (First edition.) What the mayor is suggesting is what the USSR did with Stalin, once they noticed he was a mass murdering tyrant.

Not sure I agree with what's happening here, but it is not 100% stupid (like what Apple is doing on civil war games)

Putin advisor that secretly admires The United States

"...time for a demagogue."

She's on your event horizon. You can't miss the pantsuit. (What the hell is she going to wear on Inauguration day--yikes it might become of those kaftan ordeals.)

Thomas Collins

I once practiced law with Margie, Dave (in MA). Smart classy lady. But as to Margie's Goodridge decision, I think the late great Martha Sosman's dissent had it right.

Cispigmented Heteronormative Microagressive Ignatz

Ted Cruz, 98%.


Where should Birth of a Nation Woodrow Wilson's nasty KKKadaver be shipped off to, Appalled?


At the moment he is staining the National Cathedral.


I know I don’t side with Rand Paul but he supposedly came in at 91% versus Scott Walker, my preferred candidate at 88%.

Putting my thumb on the scale, I now give Walker four extra points for being a governor and three extra points for kicking ass.


Was trump on the list, sbw?

I'm asking for a friend.

Eric in Boise

What the mayor is suggesting is what the USSR did with Stalin

Serious question: Since Forrest's body has presumably been there for a while, why wasn't this "suggested" before?

After you answer that, see if you can tell me where this all ends.

but it is not 100% stupid (like what Apple is doing on civil war games)

OK. Pulling an app off of a website is 100% stupid, but digging up bodies from public places is some amount less than 100% stupid.

Glad we got that cleared up.

Cispigmented Heteronormative Microagressive Ignatz

Squaredance is incorrect in his belief this is not good news for the GOP's election prospects. It is.

Unfortunately the GOP is bad news for the rest of us.
We don't yet need a revolution in the country. We need one in the GOP.


Ted Cruz, 98%.

Same here.

Captain Hate

Interesting poll:

Rubio 98%
Santorum (ugh) 92
Cruz 92
Rand 85
Walker 80

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