Lost In The Bushes

The NY Times describes the travails of Jeb on the road in the Summer of Trump:

A Once-Sunny Jeb Bush, Bristling in the Long Shadow of Donald Trump

However, we are offered surprising evidence that Jeb Bush is clueless to the ways of the world:

But the torment goes deeper than that. Emphasizing bluster over ideas, Mr. Trump has turned the campaign into a tabloid-style clash of personalities, heavy on provocation and insults. What little policy that has been discussed mostly revolves around Mr. Trump’s appeals to anxious white conservatives: stoking fears about immigrants, gang members and foreign countries that, in his telling, are eclipsing the United States.

...

Still, seemingly powerless to pull Mr. Trump down, Mr. Bush and his advisers are expressing anger over what they see as the news media’s enabling of Mr. Trump by not scrutinizing his far-fetched plans, such as making Mexico pay for a wall along the United States’ southern border.

“Look, this guy’s the front-runner,” Mr. Bush said last week at a town-hall-style meeting in Norfolk, Va. “He should be treated like a front-runner, not like some kind of alternative universe to the political system.”

At a private fund-raiser the night before in Richmond, Va., Mr. Bush was even more direct when asked by a contributor what he would do about Mr. Trump. Mr. Bush said with a touch of wonder that Mr. Trump’s rise reminded him of reality TV, adding that he was the only candidate taking him on and that he hoped the news media would begin aggressively vetting Mr. Trump, according to an attendee, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to talk candidly about a private event.

Mr. Bush’s aides have recently asked reporters why they will not say outright that Mr. Trump’s ideas on, to name two issues, mass deportations and trade tariffs, are fantasy.

For heaven's sake. Most of the legacy media is delighted to promote a colorful, say-anything gadfly who makes Republicans look ridiculous. Knocking Trump down is the opposite of their objective.

Secondly, the Republican voters responding to Trump are not exactly taking their political cues from that legacy media - a blistering expose of Trump's foolishness in the NY Times, however unlikely, would probably boost Trump among his supporters.

How Team Jeb could have reached this point with any hope at all that the media would present Republicans fairly is a mystery.

But to be fair, the Times does include this "to be fair" caveat - if Trump is sucking the oxygen from Jeb, surely the many lesser-knows are already unconscious from asphyxiation:

Of course, Mr. Trump’s strength could ultimately be a political gift to Mr. Bush. If the real estate mogul remains atop the polls heading into next year and denies attention to other hard-line candidates, Republicans could flock to support Mr. Bush, the safe, well-credentialed and well-funded son and brother of presidents, to stop Mr. Trump.

Are the Republicans angry enough to nominate The Donald? Are they stupid enough to nominate the one guy who can't make the "No more dynasties" case against Hillary? Time will tell!

 

Comments

[Thomas Collins]

I can't find the opinion. Is it clear Judge Berman wiped out the NFL, as opposed to staying the suspension and sending the case back to the NFL for further arbitration?

Request permission of TM and Jeff to make, just for today, every thread eligible for all Brady all the time talk.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/09/03/report-judge-berman-overturns-brady-suspension/

[Captain Hate on the iPad]

Jeb should be thankful that the MFM won't be airing his family's dirty laundry in a general campaign. I'm still in shock that he seemed blissfully unconcerned about that.

[Thomas Collins]

CH, I am so unsympathetic to Jebster. He had the dough, right from the get go, to run an aggressive campaign, as opposed to a coronation campaign. Hell, The Hill is running less of a coronation campaign than Jebster (of course, given that The Hill could be facing indictment, running a 100% coronation campaign is difficult for her).

[narciso]

well when he signed up, mike murphy, I could already see the lifeboats,

[Neo]

Salon:

The right wing's hideous crusade against Michelle Obama has completely fallen apart

For years, the likes of Rush Limbaugh have lobbed racist, sexist invective at the First Lady. But it didn't matter

Summary:
That's right. Rush Limbaugh thinks Michelle Obama is fat.

... I think I missed the email for this crusade

[Beasts of England]

Trump-Brady 2016

[narciso]

maybe dr. evil jumped onto this waterlogged tug,

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/09/ugh-jeb-bush-hurls-nasty-insults-at-trump-while-pretending-hes-uplifting-and-hopeful-candidate-video/

[Thomas Collins]

https://twitter.com/search?q=judge+berman's+opinion&ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Esearch

The above link has another link through which Judge Berman's opinion can be accessed.

[rich@gmu]

>>>Are they stupid enough to nominate the one guy who can't make the "No more dynasties" case against Hillary? Time will tell!<<<

they could nominate Romney for another go ... he'll get the porridge just right this time.

[Dave (in MA)]

Even the PBS Person of Ombuds takes President Potato Head's hagiographer to task about her anti-Semitic twittage:

http://www.pbs.org/ombudsman/home/

[henry]

Again, the notion that Trump is responding to unmet demand in the voting base is blown off by the GOPe chosen ones. If Trump stumbles, in what way does Jeb! or Romney satisfy that unmet demand? Nice of the Times to constrain options to crony approved ones.

[Dave (in MA)]

Trump-Brady 2016

You just want to see lots of pictures of Ivanka, Melania and Giselle.

[Thomas Collins]

" The Court is fully aware

of

the deference afforded to arbitral decisions, but, nevertheless, concludes that the Award should be vacated. The Award is premised upon several significant legal deficiencies, including (A) inadequate notice to Brady

of

both his potential discipline (fourgame suspension) and his alleged misconduct; (B) denial

of

the opportunity for Brady to examine one

of

two lead investigators, namely NFL Executive Vice President and General 20
Counsel JeffPash; and (C) denial of equal access to investigative files, including witness interview notes."

The above is from pages 20-21 of Judge Berman's opinion.

[narciso]

they got Jonathan Martin, fmr?? Politico journolister, to take that round,

[narciso]

some of his earlier work

http://www.politico.com/story/2011/03/palin-becoming-al-sharpton-051218

[narciso]

he just makes carp up,

https://caffeinatedthoughts.com/2009/10/jonathan-martin-creator-of-palin-controversies/

[narciso]

note most of the quoted sources on that first piece. 'it's that strange feeling of deja vu'

[Cecil Turner]

Dumb decision. I guess it means: the Pats cheated (again), but they should've been warned that if they were ever caught deflating footballs . . .

Seriously, I don't even try to call court cases any more.

But even that's preferable to watching Trump and JEB argue. (Or do a "no third party" pledge dog-and-pony show.)

[Thomas Collins]

Judge Berman did not send the case back to the NFL. Award was vacated. NFL must now decide whether to appeal. NFL will need to take into account that if it appeals and the Second Circuit adopts Judge Berman's approach, there will be a decision from a federal circuit court excoriating the NFL's procedures.

The decision is not vindication for Brady. It is a slapdown of the NFL management in general, and Goodell in particular.

[Thomas Collins]

Now, from a PR standpoint, Team Brady and Team Kraft can spin this as a vindication. And I don't blame them.

[narciso]

the NFL and their legacy minions at ESPN operate the same way, they barely know how to tie their shoes, yet they get buy with emanations of secret knowledge,

Brady's atty just cut through that Gordian knot that the Wells Report had put up,

[Thomas Collins]

Jimmy G, we hardly knew ye as the starting Pats QB!

[Thomas Collins]

I am rarely, narciso, embarrassed to say I am in the same field as a fellow lawyer. But I can say that Lester Munson's analysis was truly an embarrassment to the profession.

[Thomas Collins]

I am pleased, on the other hand, to say I am in the same line of work as Michael McCann.

http://www.si.com/nfl/2015/09/03/deflategate-tom-brady-suspension-overturned-roger-goodell-nfl-nflpa

[Extraneus]

Is this the Brady thread? I'm going back to the previous one.

[narciso]

so assume, 50% Martin is lying at any one time, 25% he's found a convenient dupe, and the rest he's found the nut,

[Thomas Collins]

Tell you what, Extraneus. If the Jets win the AFC East this year, I'll do a day of posting on nothing but Jets history. I'll even go back to the AFL NY Titans, the forerunner of the Jets.

[narciso]

as to these reports that Trump will do this or that, he will do this or that, and he doesn't send messengers,

[James D]

Mr. Bush’s aides have recently asked reporters why they will not say outright that Mr. Trump’s ideas on, to name two issues, mass deportations and trade tariffs, are fantasy.

Do Mr. Bush's aides (or the aides of any other major R candidates or officeholders) ask reporters why they will not say outright that President Obama's statesments about, to name two issues, healthcare and the Iran deal, are blatant lies?

Just curious.

[DebinNC]

Maybe it's just me, but John Ellis Bush's promise to "run a joyful campaign" seems to have "deflated".

[Stephanie]

Why is Jeb expecting the media to carry water for him.

[DebinNC]

As to John Ellis Bush calling his detractors "chirpers", I suggest anyone-but-Jeb! folks buy millions of these and serenade him along his joyful journey. Or maybe Trump will give them away free at his rallies and the "chirps" will add to the fun.

[rse]

Steph-my most recent post wrote about GEFF and its troubling agenda and Tom VanderArk;s connection to it. VanderArk ahs been in Utah this week meeting with state officials on competency based ed in K-12 and higher ed. He is working with jeb's ed foundation that he turned over to condi.

Maybe jeb expects the media to carry his water because he works regularly with groups like aspen or the clayton christensen institute or people like VanderArk to push the Left's agenda.

He is either dangerously naive about the agenda, a useful idiot for the Left, or actually promotes the Un agenda because after all poppy was the ambassador there.

I am sick of him saying something is not 'conservative' when he regularly enables the Left's agenda via the schools.

[James D]

Bush's (no doubt highly-paid, well-credentialed) aides also need to stop giving interviews to the press about internal campaign matters. And they need to stop whining.

If Bush wants to campaign against the MSM as part of his strategy, that's a reasonable choice. But there are ways to do that, and off-the-record complaining about inside baseball that will inevitably be used to mock his own campaign, is not one of them.

[DebinNC]

John Ellis Bush was last elected in 2002. He exited as FL guv two weeks into 2007. It's been years since he's faced criticism, and he obviously can't take it. Team Bush never envisioned a Trump upsetting the carefully constructed GOPe apple cart.

[Jane]

TM,

I think (hope) I speak for everyone when I say we will pay you to adopt Hit's "link to the last page".

[Janet]

Excellent James D.

I don't know one person that is for Jeb Bush.

[DebinNC]

OT, but so in Brady. Stephanie, please check to see if your gutter nemesis is a BBB member. If you dealt with the Norcross one, they are and currently rated A+. You could file a complaint online and BBB will contact them and post the result.

[GUS]

This whole Brady episode has been a joke.
The NFL decided in it's infinite wisdom to SHIT ALL OVER ITSELF, IT'S PRODUCT, IT'S OFFICIATING, ONE OF IT'S BEST FRANCHISES and one of it's GREATEST QB'S.
What did it stand to gain???

Having said that, Brady knew and participated in having the footballs suit his personal taste. To believe otherwise is silly.

[DebinNC]

You certainly speak for me, Jane.

[Jeff Dobbs]

I have to admit, when the news said that Obama stared down a glacier yesterday, my first thought was Hillary and my second thought was Jeb.

[Some Guy]

"I have to admit, when the news said that Obama stared down a glacier yesterday, my first thought was Hillary and my second thought was Jeb."

My first thought was the he does that every night.

[Thomas Collins]

DebinNC:

"OT, but so in Brady."

Heaven help anyone who tries to explain the "law of the JOM shop" on OT posts!

[DebinNC]

"In politics, Bugs Bunny always beats Daffy Duck. Daffy's always going berserk, jumping up and down, yelling. Bugs's got that sly smile, like he always knows what's up, like nothing can ruffle him.”

Iirc Jeff Greenfield was explaining why BOzo was beating a panicked McRINO as the 2008 election winded down. John Ellis Bush is a frustrated Daffy - rattled and dropping in the polls. Carson is Bugs - cool, calm, and steadily rising. Trump is Foghorn Leghorn - big, loud, and brash. Lindsey is Miss Prissy.

[DebinNC]

Heaven help anyone who tries to explain the "law of the JOM shop" on OT posts!

Go for it, TC. I was just trying to help Stephanie with my own OT post.

[Thomas Collins]

I'll get working on my 1000 plus page tome on "Law and Lore of the Shop on JOM OT Posting Substance and Procedure: From Brady's Balls to Michelle's Attire". Think I could get it on Amazon for $99.95? :-)

[Some Guy]

I think my favorite part of this whole Brady fiasco, was the NFL running to the courthouse to confirm the arbitration, then basing their entire case on a 'it's none of your business Judge' argument.

[Some Guy]

Brilliant DebinNC. LOL.

[MarkO on laptop pretending to listen]

There's OT on JOM?

[Rocco]

Vindicated

Well, he's gotta beat Goodell's appeal so
The Foxboro Witch Trials will continues...

[Captain Hate on the iPad]

Good to know that the GOP considers it more important to get a non third party pledge from Trump than expending any effort fighting the Iran deal. Priorities, people!

[Jane]

It's over Rocco. The good guys won!

[DublinDaveForever]

Trump signs loyalty oath-RNC finally put muzzle of the Donald-rance pribus yanks chain and snaps "heeeeel boy,heeeeeeeellllll,good boy,goood goood goood boy...here's a cookie there's a good boy'.

The Donald has been broken in.

[Neo]

A new Yale-led study estimates that there are more than 3 trillion trees on Earth, about seven and a half times more than some previous estimates. But the total number of trees has plummeted by roughly 46% since the start of human civilization, the study estimates.

I blame the $18.371 trillion debt

[henry]

But the total number of trees has plummeted by roughly 46% since the start of human civilization,

study funded by beavers.

[GUS]

Do any of you PRO-BRADY, JOM'ers actually believe Brady was not complicit in having footballs altered to be Brady friendly?
He did. Once again having said that, the NFL "ACTED STUPIDLY".

Go ahead and cheer for Brady. He's honorable. Right?

[Thomas Collins]

Well, if anyone thought the NFL Management Council would recede, anyone would be wrong.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/09/03/goodell-we-disagree-with-the-decision-and-will-appeal/

[Thomas Collins]

GUS, my position remains the same as it has always been. Brady never told Jas or Mac to deflate after the NFL official inspected the balls. Brady made clear to his boys that he wanted low PSI balls. It was reasonably expected that Brady's boys would do the necessary ballwashing, and it's not surprising that might result in post measurement deflation in the men's room. That's my position, and I'm sticking to it.

[Some Guy]

Do any of you PRO-BRADY, JOM'ers actually believe Brady was not complicit in having footballs altered to be Brady friendly?

Since there is now ample evidence that "Brady friendly" was within the legal range, so much so, that he suggested that the officials get shown the rule before each game, what's the issue?

[Neo]

Arctic researchers in northern Russia have been taken hostage after five polar bears surrounded their weather research station.

#PolarBearLivesMatter

LUN

[Dave (in MA)]

Belichik should start Garoppalo on Thursday just to mess with peoples' heads.

[Captain Hate on the iPad]

Dear God, those idiots are even dumber than I thought. I hate Kraft with the heat of a supernova but I love that he has major input for Goodell's compensation.

[Dave (in MA)]

.

[GUS]

It was just a test. Yes, people approve of THEIR GUY cheating. And then RATIONALIZE it.

[Bravo Berman.]

Heh, Gus, the little guy won.

Let's see if Goodell is foolish enough to appeal, and really put his arbitration, and the Wells report, and Exponenent, and heh, Marlow under the microscope.

[Neo]

I figure Brady will have a career ending injury in the first 4 games of the season

[Beasts of England]

Hmm. One party to the loyalty oath got both houses of Congress and has been outmaneuvered at every turn. The other party to the loyalty oath wrote a best seller called 'The Art of the Deal'.

Advantage: Trump

[Some Guy]

Well, if anyone thought the NFL Management Council would recede, anyone would be wrong.

I was certain they would appeal. However, they won't get a stay, and I seriously doubt they'll even get an expedited appeal.

It's also an incredibly stupid decision, because when they lose it will do the opposite of what they are trying to accomplish.

[GUS]

Number of SABER TOOTH TIGERS down 100%

[GUS]

The "little guy won".

Hahahahahahahahahahhahhahahahaahhhahaahaha.

That is funny.

[Arbitrary arbitration.]

A big tell for me was when Berman, on p. 5 of the 8/19 hearing transcript told one of the lawyers "Just so you know, federal judges always have a little difficulty with deferring(to arbitration), but that is definitely the standard".

[narciso]

and it's not true, the medici is so above board, he just hands other people, like 'Norma Desmond' and Ana Navarro, her replacement on the spew, the kris knife,

[Neo]

The trailer for one of HBO's new specials features President Obama, in a prison and talking to inmates about prison reform.

The special, VICE Special Report: Fixing The System will air Sunday, Sept. 27, and will include Obama's tour in July of the Federal Correctional Institution in El Reno, Okla.

It was the first time a sitting president has ever visited a federal prison.

Obama will unveil the newest reform, the Oval Prison Cell.

Hillary Clinton could not be reached for comment.

[Jane]

Do any of you PRO-BRADY, JOM'ers actually believe Brady was not complicit in having footballs altered to be Brady friendly?

I do. And I have as much proof as you do that he was.

So there.

[Captain Hate on the iPad]

At least Judge Berman and Fat Roger are keeping Mrs Sober Scot from being anywhere close to the top NFL story being discussed. #blessed

[narciso]

even Vizzini would be at a loss for words,

http://therightscoop.com/biden-refuses-to-discuss-iran-being-allowed-to-self-inspect-nuke-facility-with-press-in-the-room/

but he's supposed to be the white knight who will ride to the rescue, to which constituency?

[narciso]

oh frabjous joy:

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/exclusive-msnbc-to-expand-morning-joe-one-more-hour-kate-snow-gets-afternoon-role/?dg

[narciso]

why do you think that is, dave:

http://www.baltimoresun.com/entertainment/tv/z-on-tv-blog/bal-freddie-gray-tv-media-coverage-slight-20150902-story.html?dg

[DebinNC]

BOzo didn't win a single OK county in either election, and he probably needed an OK exhibit of some kind for his hi-tech, $1B+ prez library. Talk about a "captive audience".

[Buckeye]

So I watched a little clip of the big military parade in Beijing today.

It was to celebrate the 70 anniversary of victory over Japan in WWII.

Conspicuously absent were any references to the United States who saved their asses from having to learn to speak Japanese.

They did show off what is reported to be a hyper-sonic missile for whacking our flat tops.

[jimmyk on iPhone]

Accidentally posted to the last thread:

My only comment on Brady: I'm uncomfortable with the legal system getting involved with internal business decisions. Like any business, the NFL should be allowed to screw up (or not, as the case may be).

[Some Guy]

"I do. And I have as much proof as you do that he was.

So there."

Sorry Jane, but that simply is not true.

You have significantly more proof that Brady wanted the balls prepared to a legal specification, than Gus has that anyone cheated. I'd say exponentially more, but you can't multiply zero very effectively.

[DebinNC]

Why should the drive-bys cover a non-event like yesterday's Freddie Gray hearing? The six officers were indicted in May, all charges remain, show trials will soon be held, and there was zero chance yesterday's hearing would change that.

[Jane]

Now Neo, Hillary has not earned an oval prison cell. That will be reserved for Obama.

[Some Guy]

At least Judge Berman and Fat Roger are keeping Mrs Sober Scot from being anywhere close to the top NFL story being discussed. #blessed

Good point. She lucked out.

[Jane]

Some guy,

More reason why I win. The accuser needs proof. The defendant needs nada.

[narciso]

by contrast this is how Martin interpreted things last year:

http://www.aim.org/don-irvine-blog/ny-times-jonathan-martin-obama-administration-going-through-a-rough-patch-video/

[maryrose]

Glad to have some support for my position on Brady
Again all New Englanders should support their favored quarterback
However biggest loser is Grappo in the thwarted understudy role
Appeal is a good idea
Berman obviously star struck by Brady's gee I didn't know any better

[Rocco]

Well we do know that after an 2014 October game against the Jets, Brady complained that the balls were way over-inflated and asked his equipment manager, Dave Schoenfeld for the rule. The EM gave him a highlighted rule written down on a piece of paper which Brady asked to be given to the officials prior to the following game. It just doesn't make sense to me that Brady would under-inflate his balls after showing the officials the rule.

[narciso]

no I quibble with the daffy McCain interpretation, because we know by the time of the first debate,
he had thrown the whole contest, that's what the
Jones memo was about,

[narciso]

what are you going to do today, Brain,

http://www.monmouth.edu/assets/0/32212254770/32212254991/32212254992/32212254994/32212254995/30064771087/6f102b2c-508f-4bc3-8cd9-6f650f4bcc3a.pdf

[maryrose]

Jane's defense doesn't have to prove anything is true
But can he wear his Super Bowl ring in complete certainty that he deserves it
If no one was at fault Some Guy the two flunkies who took the fall will be reinstated Right?

[Porchlight]

The accuser needs proof. The defendant needs nada.

If it were an actual court of law, yes. But it isn't. It's a private organization deciding whether its rules have been violated. According to NFL regs, to which the Patriots must adhere, the league needs only "preponderance of the evidence."

As far as I understand it, Berman ruled on the fairness of the punishment and the failure of the NFL to follow certain players' union's procedures in disciplinary matters. It amounts to "the NFL should have warned Brady in advance that he could be suspended for being aware of X activity" and "the NFL should have given Brady's counsel equal access to investigative files."

In these matters I believe it is a fair ruling on whether or not union rules were followed. But it isn't a ruling on the merits. Brady's punishment disappears, but he is not (yet) vindicated in the ball deflation department.

[maryrose]

Yet the balls were found to be underinflated. Inferred
Done by magic of course

[Some Guy]

maryrose,

You'll have to ask the NFL that question. Their letter to the Patriots states that the two employees cannot be reinstated without Troy Vincent's permission. Since the NFL is foolishly going to prolong this nonsense by appealing Berman's ruling, it's unlikely they'll do anything else intelligent.

[maryrose]

Porch
Your statement. His punishment disappears was Brady's goal all along
How would you all feel if Hillary's punishment just disappeared

[maryrose]

Some Guy
Surely you see how unfair this is to those two employees
All because the Emperor I this case Brady must not be seen without his clothes or his conveniently discarded cell phone

[Some Guy]

Yet the balls were found to be underinflated.

NO. They were found to have reduced internal air pressure -- that is a very different thing.

There is no evidence of any kind, any where, that any air was let out of a football used in that game.

(Well, except maybe when the Colts illegally measured a ball on the sidelines)

[narciso]

yikes, buckeye:

http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/09/03/china-holds-massive-parade-to-celebrate-70th-anniversary-of-victory-against-japan/

[Porchlight]

maryrose,

It would have zero bearing on my opinion of her guilt. The LA Keystone Kops screwed up the investigation six ways to Sunday and possibly even planted evidence, but OJ either did it or he didn't, and nothing that happened afterward can change that truth.

I've never been much interested in whether Brady was directly involved. He seems to have successfully established plausible deniability. Everyone destroys a phone now and again.