We Are Governed By A Bloviating Moron Not Named Trump

Barack "Buy High" Obama on the political process, as reported by CNN:

Obama on debate: Nothing patriotic 'about talking down America'

Washington (CNN)As Republican presidential candidates lay into his record, President Barack Obama on Wednesday chalked up the attacks to expected election-year politics but said there was "nothing particularly patriotic" about their rhetoric.

"Despite the perennial doom and gloom that I guess is inevitably part of a presidential campaign, America is winning right now," Obama said at a meeting of the Business Roundtable in Washington. "America is great right now. We can do even better."

He cited job creation, the rising stock market and millions of Americans who now have health insurance as examples of a successful presidential run.

I'm sorry, is he questioning the patriotism of his critics? This is from the transcript:

I’m here to say that there’s nothing particularly patriotic or American about talking down America, especially when we stand as one of the few sources of economic strength in the world. 

groan. And for a quick bit of history - under Bush the stock market peaked in, yes, September 2007, 14 months before the election. Maybe like now? Let's hope not! But does anyone think a rising stock market in 2007 proved Bush had everything working?

And I bet if I looked up some Obama rhetoric from 2007 I could find one or two criticisms of Bush. Maybe even some suggesting that Iraq was an utter failure. It was only later that even Obama kinda sorta admitted that the surge had been a military success, which he subsequently squandered.

 DOWN MEMORY LANE: Here in the NY Times archives is a gem from Aug 22, 2007:

Obama Sees a ‘Complete Failure’ in Iraq

KANSAS CITY, Mo., Aug. 21 — Senator Barack Obama said Tuesday that even if the military escalation in Iraq was showing limited signs of progress, efforts to stabilize the country had been a “complete failure” and American troops should not be entangled in the sectarian strife.

“No military surge, no matter how brilliantly performed, can succeed without political reconciliation and a surge of diplomacy in Iraq and the region,” Mr. Obama said. “Iraq’s leaders are not reconciling. They are not achieving political benchmarks.”

That was patriotic?  And if by "complete failure" he meant "partial success", then we are all in agreement.

As to the future of  Iraq, here is a campaign idea from Aug 11, 2007 that went under the bus when his re-election loomed:

Democrats Say Leaving Iraq May Take Years

DES MOINES, Aug. 11 — Even as they call for an end to the war and pledge to bring the troops home, the Democratic presidential candidates are setting out positions that could leave the United States engaged in Iraq for years.

...

Senator Barack Obama of Illinois would leave a military presence of as-yet unspecified size in Iraq to provide security for American personnel, fight terrorism and train Iraqis.

These positions and those of some rivals suggest that the Democratic bumper-sticker message of a quick end to the conflict — however much it appeals to primary voters — oversimplifies the problems likely to be inherited by the next commander in chief. Antiwar advocates have raised little challenge to such positions by Democrats.

Cut and run came later then.

Closer to home, an August debate spent a very brief time with what I guess Obama would characterize as an unpatriotic discussion of a looming mortgage crisis. Obviously those fears (if not the policy proposals) were ultimately vindicated despite a rising stock market. Yet eight years later people with worries about our economic future are just engaging in politics as usual and unpatriotically talking down America?

If we want a President who is a bit more humble and less in love with himself than the current office holder we really could use Trump.

 

 

 

 

Comments

[daddy (Vote for Pedro!)]

“I'm sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and disagree with this administration, somehow you're not patriotic. We need to stand up and say we're Americans, and we have the right to debate and disagree with any administration.”

You tell 'em, Hillary TM!

[Beasts of England]

Dissent is the truest form of patriotism!!

-- any libtard during the Bush years

[A trickster, and we're tricked.]

Eight or ten extra trillion in debt explains the stock market rise.

Heh, he didn't bring up foreign affairs. Hey, Nobel Peace Prize winner, ain't you the One?

[henry]

Well, if we didn't stick all the bloviating morons inside the beltway they would live next door. (Yes that includes you Turtle, and you Bonerhead, along with the media and lobbyists of your cocktail circuit). Since SMOD is ignoring us, we are contemplating sending an anti-spin bloviating moron in hopes of an annilhation event on contact.

[History will work its awesome ways upon him.]

He's proud of 94 million unemployed Americans, and he can keep his Obamacare if he wants too.

These are three lies, easily exposed, and that's the best he's got.

[clarice]

Brutal, TM!

[Show me one improvement in seven years.]

Heh, the 'Everything is Bad Party'. They don't get why the Republicans have improved locally, stately and nationally for the last four years.

Some people hope for change. Some people work for change, spare change.

[daddy (Vote for Pedro!)]

How many f---ing Ann Coulters do these people think there are in the United States?

[Beasts of England]

What's the Labor Force Participation Rate, Barry? 62.6%? Progress!

[henry]

Well you gotta hit him where it hurts him.... what is the union membership percent?

[Buckeye]

good one henry!

[Beasts of England]

Excellent point, henry!!

[lyle]

He cited job creation, the rising stock market and millions of Americans who now have health insurance were forced out of their old policies they generally liked and legally coerced into buying worse ones that cost three times as much as examples of a successful presidential run.

Truth edit.

[daddy (Vote for Pedro!)]

On the pollution spill in the Colorado Rover by the EPA, Brett plays video of the EPA's Gina McCarthy getting hammered for revisionism during testimony by Chariman Josh Chaffetz at todays EPA Hearings:

McCarthy: Sir, I have indicated that our notifications could have been better, but that the uhhh, the Navajo was given...

Chaffetz: No you didn't. In your testimony you said that you were working closely with them. You didn't say you screwed up on the communication. Why would it take two days?

McCarthy: I did say that we did take a day Sir. I regret that.

etc.

[He's gotta know it, too.]

Yeah, these are extremely hollow accomplishments, only solid through delusional glasses.

And it's the best he's got. Damning himself with faint and phony praise.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

The ‘Everything is Bad’ party
Think this dumbshit makes the same criticism of Dems when they're trying to unseat a Rep?

[Rick Ballard]

"what is the union membership percent?"

11.1% in 2014 versus 12.4% in 2008. The unions have done much better than Democrat elected representatives in that regard. It must be a lighter application of the Merde Touch...

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Looks like a good spot to repost this;
Obama's Recovery In Just 9 Charts

[Janet S.]

The lying, lawless libs need some worse consequences than just getting yelled at by Congressmen. :(

[daddy (Vote for Pedro!)]

... and millions of Americans who now have health insurance were forced out of their old policies they generally liked and legally coerced into buying worse ones that cost three times as much...

Just as an aside, it is amazing how much time was taken up at our Union Meeting yesterday, discussing the HealthCare revisions in our Tentative New Contract that the company and the Union Negotiating Committee have had to deal with with as a result of mandates in the ObamaCare regulations. The meeting was supposed to be for 2 hours 30 minutes. There are 28 sections in the new Contract, only a dozen or so of which had to have any changes from the previous contract, and the explanation/discussion simply of the HealthCare Section took almost 45 minutes, and had a dedicated HealthCare guy to deal with the issue, plus 2 lawyers sitting by and kibitzing in different points of explanation when needed.

It was all over my head, and is going to take me hours of homework and watching videos to figure out which of the 3 major Plans proposed that I should opt for, should this Contract be agreed upon.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

I've never met daddy. Is this him?

[daddy (Vote for Pedro!)]

The lying, lawless libs need some worse consequences than just getting yelled at by Congressmen. :(

Yep, Janet. I don't think anything's going to change unless/until we change Administrations and start serious prosecutions, or until somebody gets shot.

[daddy (Vote for Pedro!)]

That's me, Iggy!

I'm a great dancer!

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Wow, The Wash Examiner is usually better than this;
Trump is obsessed with an immigration crisis that's already over.
I guess those illegals working for peanuts you guys referenced don't actually exist.
What effing planet do these dumbasses live on?

[Frau Lebensmittel Laden]

Must be, Iggy.

Sent to me by a TX cousin: Fun from the Wayback Machine - Yeltsin in Houston market. LUN

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Indeed;

[Steve]

Megyn Kelly Focus Group: Carly Fiorina Was the Big Winner at GOP Debate

http://commoncts.blogspot.com/2015/09/kelly-file-focus-group-carly-fiorina.html

[Michael (fpa Patriot4Freedom)]

I own a boat and didn't know the term abaft.
Posted by: Beasts of England | September 17, 2015 at 12:00 PM

Beasts - Hah! You clearly need to watch more pirate movies!

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

White House petition to rename Ohio's tallest mountain after Alaska's best known governor.
Heh.

[daddy (Vote for Pedro!)]

Brett's current panel makes these predictions of who will be the Republican Nominee:

Mort Kondracke:
Bush (40%)
Kasich (35%)
Rubio (25%)

Fred Barnes:
Rubio (30%)
Jeb (25%)
Kasich (15%)
Trump: (10%)
everybody else 5 or less

Jeff Birnbaum:
Bush (10%)
Rubio (10%)
everybody else 5 or less

Their predictions are worth as much as I paid for them.

[Beasts of England]

Where'd y'all get those videos of me dancing?

[Beasts of England]

Who's in the avatar, Ig?

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Depressingly stupid Fed ruminations.

[Extraneus]

New White House Campaign Will Encourage Legal Immigrants to Become Citizens - before the election

http://donotlink.com/www.nytimes.com/2015/09/18/us/white-house-campaign-legal-immigrants-citizenship.html

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

--Who's in the avatar, Ig?--

Young lass I was searching for up Man Tran's way.
Never found her.

[clarice]

Ann Coulter could use a cheeseburger, fries and a malted now and then.

[Beasts of England]

Thought that was her. Never saw her in profile, though.

[Beasts of England]

Exactly, Clarice!

And how out of sync are those panel observations with ours here at JOM? Wonder which group has a better feeling for the populace?

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Ambrose Evans Pritchard uncharacteristically gets just about everything wrong in this one.

[daddy (Vote for Pedro!)]

There used to be some old joke where the punchline was something like "Yeah, but now every time I fart my shoes pop off." Anybody remember it?

And when exactly did he say he'd quit smoking pot?

[lyle]

Mort is dolt. He's also lying about those PP vids.

[Rocco]

I love the nautical lingo! If you were to draw an imaginary line right down the center of your boat and another across the beam, then any boats approaching you from dead on to 22 1/2 degrees abaft the starboard beam, has the right of way.

[daddy (Vote for Pedro!)]

Ann Coulter could use a cheeseburger, fries and a malted now and then.

Clarice,

I love this 1st tweet in response to her "F---ing Jews" post.

@Yair_Rosenberg
The best part of this tweet is how Ann Coulter censored the language to avoid offending people

[Beasts of England]

I thought the most expensive boat had the right of way...

[Threadkiller]

Tallest Choomer gets the best roof-hit, daddy.

[Threadkiller]

Shit-buckets have the right of way.

[Art in Newport]

.. And when exactly did he say he'd quit smoking pot? …

Or, “which Bush was supposed to be the drunken frat boy?”

[Threadkiller]

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Moose+Ears

[Beasts of England]

In my weird sidebar ad of the month, I just got one for cremation! And if that's not weird enough, they're offering a 100% money back guarantee. Now, exactly how does that work?

[narciso]

Eh gruneald, journolister who believes the stimulus worked.

[daddy (Vote for Pedro!)]

Like father, like son daughter?

“Forty years ago I smoked marijuana, and I admit it.”

[narciso]

You'll never guess who the russians say are behind the immigration crisis

[narciso]

Pritchard occasionally does miss the mark, like when he bought some of those crazier stories out of Arkansas in the 90s

[narciso]

Counter seems to have taken up the hard line of brimelow and other extreme restrictionists, it really was uneccessary.

[BB Key]

selective editing

I believe JEB . I was watching live and saw him wink after he did the tiptoes

Why question the edit of a Planned Parenthood video and give the debate edit so much attention

operatives with bylines

[Jane]

Daddy, watching Mort et al, you could clearly see how the republican party got to where it is - the get along, don't rock the boat party. His time is passed.

Fox News says (via Instagram and Facebook) that Carly is now tied with Trump.

My realtor was here a while ago and said "Republicans would never vote for a woman, or a black man". She's about Mort's age.

[Frau Lebensmittel Laden]

Not giving any hints, narciso @ 7:52?

I bet Turkey and Assad agree with Russia.

[narciso]

Shockingly, they say it's the us, not the logical suspect's.

[Beasts of England]

I said that ValJar ordered the life jackets.

[narciso]

In that libertarian utopia where anchorage becomes world capitol. The preceding crisis is a chemical attack on Israel that provokes a nuclear retaliation against the Arab states

[Beasts of England]

Why does KC have a rat as its mascot?

[daddy (Vote for Pedro!)]

Jeb's Not Here , man.

Knock, knock, knock.

Cheech: "Who is it?"
Jeb: (Whispering) It's me, Jeb, open up, man, I got the stuff.
Cheech: Who?
Jeb: (Whispering) It's, Jeb, man, open up, I think the cops saw me comin'
...
Knock, knock, knock, knock, knock.

Cheech: Who is it?
Jeb:(Whispering) It's, it's Jeb, man, will you open up? I got the stuff with me!
Cheech: Who?
Jeb: (Whispering) Jeb, man, open up
Cheech: Jeb?
Jeb: (Whispering) Yeah, Jeb. C'mon, man, open up, I think the cops saw me
Cheech: Jeb's not here.
Jeb: No, man, I'm Jeb, man, will you open up? I got the stuff with me.
Cheech: Who?
Jeb: (Louder) Jeb, man, open up!
Cheech: Jeb?
Jeb: (Whispering again) Yeah, Jeb
Cheech: Jeb's not here.
Jeb: (Louder) No, man, I am Jeb!, man, will you open up the door? I got the stuff with me. I think the cops saw me
...
Knock, knock, knock, knock, knock

Cheech: Who is it?
Jebb: (Very Loud) Oh, what the hell, c'mon open up the door, it's Jeb!!!
Cheech: Who?
Jeb: (Banging on door and hollering) Jeb! Dave, J E B, will you open up the goddamn door!!!
Cheech: Jeb?
Jeb: Yeah Jeb!
Cheech: Dave's not here man.

[Jack is Back!]

How the hell does Haiti have a white girl on their team? Is she one of Hillary nieces?

[narciso]

So guess what happened to the veterans group that invited trump the other day?

[Jack is Back!]

Don't know if has been posted but did anyone see the The Five segment where Perino mentioned one of the 15 contenders will mount a 3rd party run and its not Paul or Trump.

Now who the hell could that be? She won't say but she seems pretty certain of herself.

The only one crazy enough in my opinion to do it would be Santorum since I believe he thinks he is the second coming of Christ.

[clarice]

Narciso, IRS yanked it's non-profit status, but apparently they did that before the Trump reception and on the basis they hadn't filled required reports for 3 years.

[daddy (Vote for Pedro!)]

My realtor was here a while ago and said "Republicans would never vote for a woman, or a black man". She's about Mort's age.

Jane,

I am still angry about Pappa Bush not picking Jeanne Kirkpatrick as his VP running mate, back when he choose dan Quayle. She was terrific, the Election of Reagan's 3rd term was as close to a done deal as possible, and it would have gotten that stupid "Republicans would never vote for a woman, or a black man" monkey off our back once an for all.

What an opportunity squandered.

[Jane]

I just don't get that kind of thinking.

[narciso]

Thanks for the clarification, clarice, will the example of rafik y, give angela a clue?

[Threadkiller]

http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/17/politics/donald-trump-obama-muslim-new-hampshire/index.html

:-)

IIRC, McCain told an old lady with a similar question to F.O.

[Threadkiller]

This video may be better:

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/09/17/trump-criticized-for-how-he-handles-man-who-says-muslims-are-problem-that-obama-is-secret-muslim/

[Buckeye]

I think Republicans will have no problem voting for a women, particularly if it means kicking Shrillary to the curb.

[Rocco]

Belichick has some coaching advice for Mike Tomlin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iGeo-wZk6Y

[narciso]

And the pledges to moloch's minions never end.

[daddy (Vote for Pedro!)]

Was going to post this: "Since not a single comment has been posted here about Trump's live press conference an hour ago at some TownHall, I assume we are all "trumped out.""

But now I see TK's posted something, so I guess at least one of us was able to muster up the energy to listen to him:)

[Threadkiller]

I have read about him and he's not, he's not uh — he's an Arab. He's not — " before McCain retook the microphone and replied:

"No, ma'am. He's a decent family man [and] citizen that I just happen to have disagreements with on fundamental issues and that's what this campaign's all about. He's not [an Arab]."

http://www.politico.com/story/2008/10/mccain-obama-not-an-arab-crowd-boos-014479

[daddy (Vote for Pedro!)]

Trump declines to correct questioner who says Obama is a Muslim

Obviously George Stephanopoulos wasn't at that TownHall.

[Miss Marple]

Back from the auction.

Despite Deb and Barbara's doubts, the old guy Pete who sits next to me really liked Fiorina and asked me what I thought.

I said "She reminds me of Margaret Thatcher." He said, "Wow! That's what I think, too!"

My sisters (who were interested in Trump) really have gotten interested in her. They hadn't seen much of her (since both of them don't have cable) but I gave them her name and they looked her up on YouTube.

And on the way home, Mark Levin said she was another GOPe person and sort of dismissed her. I don't believe it. The GOPe wouldn't back someone who was so fierce about abortion and Planned Parenthood.

[sbw]

My realtor was here a while ago and said "Republicans would never vote for a woman, or a black man"

Oh, yeah? Well, I would never vote for your realtor.

[narciso]

He seems to concur with the tree house theory of how this event was supposed to go.

[daddy (Vote for Pedro!)]

And on the way home, Mark Levin said she was another GOPe person and sort of dismissed her.

Miss M,

The few bits I heard of Levin in today's first hour sure sounded to me like he was ignoring the reality of Carly's outstanding performance yesterday, and at the same time was disingenuous in his praising of some of Trump's rather boneheaded comments last night (ie.-vaccinations.)

I suppose we are all subject to it, me especially, but its not good when get so wedded to a candidate (even when we don't think we're getting wedded to that candidate) that we overlook or ignore their real faults and invent faults in their opponents that don't exist.

I hate to see Levin doing that, but in the little I heard of him today it seemed to me like that was what he was doing.

[narciso]

Meaning the campaign.

[Jane on Ipad]

Lol SBW. Me neither. I think it was more out of touchness than prejudice. I just found it shocking. Earlier she asked what I thought of the debate because I "know that stuff".

[narciso]

Yes that foolishness on his part, where are we going back to, leaches and humours.

[Ann]

I just came in and turned on FOX. I can't even watch the "Kelly File" anymore. Anyone watch her show?

[narciso]

I was watching the Dr who marathon, ann, they have become so transparent. Maybe in a few says they will get to real news.

[Miss Marple]

daddy,

Agree with you about getting wedded to a candidate, especially too early.

It is why I try to concentrate on defeating democrats rather than dwelling on someone winning.

My personal decision is that I will vote for whoever gets the nomination: Trump, Christie, Fiorina, Huckabee, whatever.

I like some more than others, but my bottom line is that we have to get these people currently in power out of government.

So whoever gets the nomination, I may privately cringe, but in public they will be the neatest thing since sliced bread.

That is why I try to avoid working up a hate on any of the candidates. And it is why I am upset about the destructive attacks on Trump followers. We will need them come the general election.

[peter]

Love Mark Levin but he was off base in his opening monologue today about Carly and Donald. Levin also has a habit of using a word that doesn't exist: assimilization.

But other than that I do think he is a pretty smart guy.

[Ann]

Mark Levin on Carly:

4. Going in, I believe the establishment media were poised to declare Carly Fiorina a victor over Trump and most of the field as she has become one of the establishment favorites. The indications were everywhere. In fact, most of the same voices and writers who opposed Trump and before him Cruz are singing her praises today. They are no longer concerned about lack of governing background of an outsider or flip-flopping, etc. I remember in the 2010 GOP Senate primary race in California she staked out the moderate Republican position against State Representative Chuck DeVore. She didn't sound like a traditional, Reagan conservative back then. And her response to the birthright citizenship questions were wrong and jumbled. In fact, Trump has a superior understanding of the issue. Rand Paul reluctantly had to agreed. And in that Senate campaign, Fiorina mocked Barbara Boxer's looks (understandable), a fact ignored by Tapperl ast night. Why? The audio is public. Finally, her record as a corporate CEO is mixed. But do not expect it to be scrutinized by her cheerleaders in and out of the media. But the Democrats won't ignore it. Let me be clear: I have nothing against Fiorina, but there's reason to be at least a little skeptical.
https://www.facebook.com/notes/mark-levin/my-brief-take-on-the-debate-i-will-discuss-it-more-fully-on-my-program-tonight/10152999840320946?pnref=story

[Jim Miller]

I am old enough to remember when Colin Powell was still an actual Republican -- and led all those test polls for the Republican nomination. I'm thinking that was in 1999, or thereabouts.

Here in Washington state, women have done very well in the Republican party.

Secretary of state: Kim Wyman (the only statewide elected Republican on the West Coast)

Washington 5th: Cathy McMorris Rodgers

Washington 3rd: Jaime Herrera Beutler

(McMorris Rodgers is the best in the delegation, in my opinion.

Both have born children while serving in Congress, which impresses this guy -- a lot. Both, I suspect, have very supportive husbands. Rodgers husband is a retired Navy guy, by the way.)

party chair: Susan Hutchison (It's jard to tell from a distance, but I think she's been better than her two predecessors.

Nothing new about this, either. Many of us still miss Jennifer Dunn, who passed away in 2005. (She had been party chair -- and served six terms in Congress.)

Despite all that the Democrats still use the old "war on women" bit in elections here -- and it seems to have some effect.

[narciso]

I admit stay puft gives me gas, Medici has just been very disappointing, and kasich, just confused about much.

[jorod]

Wait till taxes go up next year. Then we'll see how the economy is doing.

[Jim Miller]

BTW, did any of you know that Trump is an anti-vaxxer, of sorts?

That genuinely surprised me, since it has been easy to learn the facts on the subject, for years now.

[narciso]

A strange tale involving brett o'donell who was perhaps bachmann's best stagger and then went to work for romney.

[Jim Miller]

Greg Mankiw found 12 things to like in Bush's tax plan.

(I have no opinion on it, since I haven't read it, or even one of the serious commentaries on it.)

[Agent J]

Why does KC have a rat as its mascot?

It is supposed to be a wolf. Which makes little or no sense, but what would you have for a team called the Chiefs, in KC.

But the next time he shows up at our Grand kids school, I will call him that and see what he does.

[clarice]

narciso, I can't think the Rafik Y assassination of that policewoman is helping Angela.

[daddy (Vote for Pedro!)]

Via Insty: Clinton lawyer balked at first effort to delete classified email

David Kendall: “I have responded to each preservation request by confirming to the requestor that I would take reasonable steps to preserve the 55,000 pages of former Secretary Clinton’s emails in their present electronic form,” Kendall wrote to Undersecretary of State for Management Patrick Kennedy on June 15. “I therefore do not believe it would be prudent to delete, as you request, the above-referenced email from the master copies of the [Microsoft Outlook] PST file that we are preserving.”

[narciso]

So an October 2007 speech that Obama gave, disdained a measure that would constrain Iranian inflence in oraq, enemy action?

[Beasts of England]

Thanks, Agent J! Makes no sense. How about a slab o' ribs? :)