An Apparent School Shooting In Arizona

Breaking news from Northern Arizona University [and do let me add: Arizona is a 'stand your ground' state and from what little we know - the shooting took place during a confrontation between two groups of students - self-defense may be on the table. Yike - that alone assures a media firestorm. And what if the shooter was defending a media-sympathetic student from some troglodyte fraternity haters? Oh, brother.]:

Officials: 1 dead, 3 wounded in NAU shooting

One person is dead, three others were injured and a suspect is in custody after a shooting early Friday outside a Northern Arizona University residence hall in Flagstaff, according to a statement posted on the state school's website.

Police were first alerted to shots fired on the northeast end of campus at about 1:20 a.m., the statement said. The shootings reportedly took place outside Mountain View Hall, which houses members of fraternities and sororities.

Three people were being treated for gunshot wounds at Flagstaff Medical Center, according to the NAU statement.

A spokesman said Friday morning that the campus is secure and classes would be held as scheduled. A second spokesman said the incident started with a "confrontation."

A press conference started at 9 AM Eastern.

The FBI standard for a mass shooting is four dead, excluding the perpetrator, so this incident won't enter that database. And until we have more details about the race and motives of the shooter, we won't know if this is ripe for politicization.

FROM THE PRESS CONFERENCE: The WaPo has this:

The suspected gunman — 18-year-old freshman Steven Jones — is in custody, university police chief Greg Fowler said. The injured survivors are being treated at Flagstaff Medical Center.

“We awake this morning to a terrible tragedy on our Flagstaff campus,” university president Rita Cheng said at a news conference.

“This is not going to be a normal day at NAU,” she added. “Our hearts are heavy.”

According to Fowler, the police chief, “two separate student groups got into a confrontation” shortly after 1 a.m. on Friday. “The confrontation turned physical,” Fowler said, and Jones “produced a handgun and shot four other students.”

Delta Chi’s international headquarters confirmed in a statement to The Washington Post that some of its fraternity members were “involved” in the shooting.

“We do not have any information on the victims nor do we know if the deceased individual is a member of the Fraternity,” the statement said. Delta Chi added that the shooting “was not a chapter related incident.”

School officials did not immediately identify the dead student, other than to say he was a freshman. The school has not yet named three wounded students, all of whom are male.

 MORE: AZCentral.com

School administrators identified the victims as Nicholas Prato, Kyle Zientek and Nicholas Piring and said the deceased student is Colin Brough.

This witness account from the Arizon Dail Sun does not jibe with the police statement excerpted above:

According to reports from the scene, it followed a party and occurred in a parking lot outside Mountain View Hall dormitory.

"We had just left a party and were standing in the street getting ready to walk home when a guy walked up with a pistol and just started shooting," said an eyewitness, who asked that his name not be used.

"I heard five or six shots and then my friends just tackled him. They got him really quick. We were leaving and it all happened on the sidewalk across from Mountain View."

The shooter was tackled to the ground.

"He didn't get a chance to hurt himself. I saw him in handcuffs when the cops came."

That doesn't square with:

According to Fowler, the police chief, “two separate student groups got into a confrontation” shortly after 1 a.m. on Friday. “The confrontation turned physical,” Fowler said, and Jones “produced a handgun and shot four other students.”

Per the witness, it was one group versus one shooter, and the confrontation began with shots, not any sort of argument. I assume they spoke to more people and are more familiar with witness unreliability so I am more inclined to trust the police version on this one.

Nick Prato (wounded) and Colin Brough (deceased) were associated with the Delta Chi fraternity. Per his Linked-In profile, so was Nicholas Piring (wounded). Per Facebook, so is Kyle Zientek.

Frat bros as victims? The media will choke on this one.

I can't find a transcript of the video described here:

Dad: Daughter met suspected NAU shooter just hours ago

An NAU official has confirmed that the suspected shooter is in police custody. While the investigation is ongoing, one father says his daughter, a student at the school, met the suspected shooter only hours before the incident.

The father is Mark White, who we hear in a news report embedded at Coed.com, just after the text which reads:

It seems as though this wasn’t a premeditated attack, but rather a situation that escalated and got out of hand. Watch this video interview from a father who claims his daughter was studying with Steven in the library before the shooting...

The relevant portion begins at the 1:00 mark. The gist - the shooter met the young lady and a friend in the library around 12-12:30. They got texts about parties and went their separate ways. later, two groups met up, a fight broke out, and shots were fired.

 

 

Comments

[Threadkiller]

Will Obama skip coming to San Diego now?

More exploitation please.

[Threadkiller]

From the previous thread:

If the Republicans had been half as willing to serve the American people as to sell them out, they might have been trusted more.

http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2015/10/08/game-postponed/

But they did such a banner job with the issue of NBC?? No sellout there.

Good job coming around...

[henry]

I'll stick with the 24 hour rule on this one. One question is where did train hero #3 go to school?

[Threadkiller]

I am of the opinion that McCarthy may have done a far more amazing thing than what will be understood to have happened.

He was being groomed for the speakership and they already had this dirt on him. He was told that once he became #3 in the nation he was going to subscribe to the uniparty agenda or else he gets National Inquirer-erd.

Instead of being a limp-dick to the powers that be, he called their bluff and let the chips fall.

The crying at the cacus event was because the uniparty does not have their next blackmail victim prepped yet. Unexpected to say the least.

That is my speculation.

[Extraneus]

White House ends Syrian rebel training program

[Jack is Back! :]

henry,

Cal State Sacremento.

[Miss Marple 2]

henry,

I looked. (Took a while to find it.) Sacramento University.

[henry]

Thanks. This appears to be late night stupidity... but given the coincidence of the last shooting and a stabbing it popped into my head.

[narciso]

notice how this whole story has gotten just a squib of attention,

http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/timblair/index.php/dailytelegraph/comments/late_and_lame/

[henry]

Coming down the street from me next month...

The event will includes a private roundtable with Rubio, radio host Charlie Sykes and no more than 20 donors -- with the cost to attend at $2,500 per person.

Hosted by Robin Vos, WI Assembly leader.

I don't want to be in a small room with Sykes though -- don't like his smugness (worse than Bill Kristol if you can believe such a thing is possible).

[narciso]

'leadership candidate for speaker realized he didn't have the votes' is that so hard to spell out,

[Jeff Dobbs]

TM:
The FBI standard for a mass shooting is four dead, excluding the perpetrator, so this incident won't enter that database.

Obama will implement a new standard: more than four bullets fired.

Fundamental Change.

[narciso]

for a labour guy, latham shows a little more sense than usual,

http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/tv-and-radio/mark-latham-claims-western-sydney-has-a-muslim-problem-on-the-verdict-20151009-gk4ty0.html

[henry]

From our lurking unit, good news 6th Circuit halts EPA water rules.

[Miss Marple 2]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/britain-facing-snow-within-two-6601591#ICID=sharebar_twitter

[East Bay Jay]

Doesn't this happen in a inner city Chicago neighborhood roughly every other day? I guess the attraction for the media is 'college' - they can use it to sell gun control to white liberals. Inner city Chicago deaths, not so much marketing potential there.

[Beasts of England]

Inner city shootings would require the leftards to confront some very inconvenient truths, ergo, they don't exist.

[narciso]

mr. mckisson, referenced in the other thread, was a public school teacher,

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

--Doesn't this happen in a inner city Chicago neighborhood roughly every other day?--

Chicago had 370 murders as of two days ago so it happens somewhat more than once every day.

[Jeff Dobbs]

I have seen the future.

Presidential line of succession: President, Vice President, Speaker of the House.

Speaker of the House does not have to be an elected Congressman.

We're going to elect a ticket in 2016, who then both step down* giving the presidency to whoever will be elected Speaker in the coming weeks.

This is obviously a Koch Brothers plot to implement their Grand Libertarian Coup. The question is, who have they selected to fill this role?

-------------
*they would be paid off to do so, blackmailed into doing it, or forced out by scandal if the blackmailing is not threat enough.

[narciso]

this area seems closest to one nuclear site, bonab,

http://www.vocativ.com/news/238465/russians-deny-errant-missiles-crashed-in-iran-on-way-to-syria/

me thinks senior us officials are ignorant of geography as with many other things,

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Barry lying, defaming and torching strawmen by the bushel.

“When I took office, hardworking young people -– Americans in every way but on paper –- lived in constant fear of deportation. Today, more than 680,000 DREAMers live and study and work freely and openly in the country they’ve always called home,” he said..."
“I mean, they have invented this new reality where everything was terrific back in 2008 -– when the unemployment and uninsured rates were rising and DREAMers lived in fear of deportation and we were engaged in two wars, and bin Laden was still at large. That was the golden era, apparently, the good old days,” Obama said to laughter from the audience. “And then I came along and messed it all up.”
“Leadership is not fanning the flames of intolerance, and then acting all surprised when a fire breaks out. Saying clearly inflammatory things and then saying, well, that’s not what I meant — until you do it again, and again, and again,” he said. “So we’ve got to decide whether or not we, as Americans, are willing to stand up against this kind of bigotry.”

“…When I hear folks talking as if somehow those kids are different from my kids, as if they’re less worthy in the eyes of God, that somehow their families are less worthy of our respect and consideration and care, as if somehow back in the day everybody had their papers in order when they came here, but now suddenly nobody has their papers in order, I believe we’re better than that.”

The fools elected and reelected a petty, disgusting, vile little man and we have had nearly seven years of petty, disgusting vile governance and can look forward to probably decades of petty, disgusting and vile preaching from the back forty once he's out out to pasture.

[Cecil Turner]

Well, this doesn't appear to be a campus gun free zone=happy hunting ground for a nutter, but a much more mundane argument gone bad.

But if gun free zones don't even deter that sort of violence (and assuming most would agree they attract the other sort), what good are they?

[henry]

narciso, are the US officials ignorant? or just using it as a shield in order to not defend Iran's nuke facilities as called for in the treaty?

[narciso]

yes, but why would the Russians target the facilities they helped bolster,

[narciso]

that image reminded me of clear and present danger, where Jack Ryan is struggling to discover
the source of the explosion in Columbia, a cruise missile strike would leave wreckage for quite a large area,

[Cecil Turner]

me thinks senior us officials are ignorant of geography as with many other things,

I don't know. I served as a radio relay for guys chasing Tomahawk missiles during testing (back in the early '80s), and several of them missed a turn and kept on going. Not sure what the standard failure mode on one of these is, but doesn't look totally implausible on first blush.

[jimmyk]

Is Typhuspad not allowing comments on the new thread?

[Rick Ballard]

Putin has to exercise a bit more care in his arms fair displays. The market for sorta guided missiles is rather limited.

[Cecil Turner]

Putin has to exercise a bit more care in his arms fair displays. The market for sorta guided missiles is rather limited.

That does appear to be his most likely motivation, doesn't it? And I'd suspect Iran, flush with its signing bonus, is the main target market.

[henry]

WI SC now 5-2 conservative. This should help Bradley in the April election, but we will see.

[Extraneus]

Police: Teen left court docs about auto theft in stolen car

ST. PETERSBURG, Fla. (AP) -- Authorities say an 18-year-old man drove a stolen car to police headquarters to pick up court papers about a previous auto theft he was involved in - documents that were found in yet another stolen car.

Carnell Eugene Butler now faces charges in three stolen car cases.

[Miss Marple 2]

What if Putin has done a double-reverse whammy.

1. Lure Iranian generals into going after Assad's enemies in Syria.

2. Momentarily ignore ISIS.

3. "Accidentally" remove some nuclear installations. (Wonder if Bibi gave him some info.)

4. Overthrow mullahs and solve Iran, keeping them as a loyal client for profit.

5. Solves Iranian problem, nukes ISIS, becomes hero of the West and make Obama look like a moron.

Well, at least I have an imagination. LOL!

[Man Tran]

BoE,

the darned thing had to cost two million. I was off by a factor of five.

Heh, my little peashooter would cost $2M, if I was dumb enough to buy it new. That's why I don't have a Ferrari, 'caus I can go 300mph every day and no county mounties around to issue me a speed tax. :)

[narciso]

well that's possible, Suleimani is effective, but he's not a miracle worker,

[anonamom]

Ig,10:51--"...people elected a man" ?

I am not sure what he is, but I take a man to be an adult male, and it struck me reading your comment that he does not fit my definition.

He's a whiney adolescent, at best.

[jimmyk on iPhone]

To clarify my 11:14, Firefox seems to have a glitch, not showing comments on this thread.

[jimmyk on iPhone]

Further clarification: seems to be a Greasemonkey/narcisolator problem, as comments show up if I turn off the narcisolator. Extraneus?

[jimmyk]

Let the jokes begin:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/11/us/politics/in-debate-hillary-clinton-will-display-skills-honed-over-a-lifetime.html

[Extraneus]

Uh oh. It looks fine on Chrome, though, so it's probably a Firefox issue. New update lately?

[rich@gmu]

she's going to stumble out onto stage boozed up and stuffed full of pills ...

[narciso]

and that is different how,

[Miss Marple 2]

Extraneus,

I am on Firefox and no problems.

[rich@gmu]

and thanks for that Belmont link-fantastic article.

[Sue]

Watching yesterday's pre game pundits I was ready to call it quits before we played the game. No way could the Rangers beat the Blujays ace. Same thing during the first innings of the game. I swear Kenny Alberts would have french kissed David Price on national TV if Price would allow it. All of that to say!!!! Gallardo!!!

Today is no different. Listening to pre-game pundits, the Rangers are doomed.

My daughter got me a tshirt with the Dallas skyline on it. Yay me. They are selling on eBay for $80. I'm keeping mine.

Go Rangers!!!!

[narciso]

this character is like right of NCIS, that carpy spy film with chris rock,

fhttp://news.sky.com/story/1565320/the-colonel-dirty-bombs-and-240m-of-uranium

[jimmyk]

New update lately?

That doesn't seem to be the issue: I'm running 39.0 on one computer and 41.0 on another, and the glitch is on both.

I presume Hillary's main skill honed over a lifetime is lying, but there is also lamp-throwing, uttering expletives at the 'help', and so on.

[henry]

per twitter, Ryan still not running for speaker.

[Miss Marple 2]

All I know about debates is that it doesn't matter who wins. It matters that Americans think they could stand seeing you on TV for the next 4 years.

[rich@gmu]

Posted by: narciso | October 09, 2015 at 11:43 AM

she won't be hidden by her handlers and the msm won't be able to quietly ignore it. Still thinking she gets out by Halloween.

[henry]

well they did cut the debate from 3 hours to 2... someone must have read the Geneva Convention and though about viewers.

[Sue]

I was listening to an interview with Dr. Carson on local radio and he was awesome. A lot of my conservative black friends on FB are sitting up and taking notice of him. And getting pissed at liberals for how they treat him. Not sure that is any indication of anything but my small world, but I know they vote democrat by reading their profiles.

[narciso]

yes the CNN debate organizers were not so merciful, then again you have mayor carcetti, defining the word quixotic, he's the youngster, commissar solon,
a possible cameo by the solon, lets rethink this,

[Sue]

They should cut it to one hour. Aren't there just 3 candidates on the left?

[Extraneus]

I'm running 39.0 on one computer and 41.0 on another, and the glitch is on both.

And it just started happening? I know I haven't changed anything. Maybe Greasemonkey had an update?

[Miss Marple 2]

I think the debate has 2 pitfalls:

1. Hillary's personality and disdain for her opponents.

2. Bernie Sanders' likable gruff (albeit crazy) persona.

If they let O'Malley in, she will also be facing a smooth-talker who looks younger than her by 20 years.

I don't think she will get out, though. Her being a presidential candidate keeps the donors at bay, allows her to say investigations on her illegal activities are a political witch hunt, and keeps Obama from dumping all blame on her for foreign policy messes.

[jimmyk]

Yeah, just started this morning with the new thread. Maybe it's time for me to switch to Chrome. I guess I'm the only regular here who uses Firefox with narcisolator?

[narciso]

I think he's still ticked that arnold stole his gig, back in 2003

http://therightscoop.com/darrell-issa-says-he-could-be-speaker-of-the-house/

[rich@gmu]

think it is 5 candidates: Sanders; O'Malley; Clinton; Webb; Chafee.

lots of Q on display there in Vegas ...

[Rick Ballard]

Cecil,

I'm sure the arms fair aspect is very important to Putin but his main economic driver is extortion of a significant Saudi production reduction. Russia, Iran and Iraq would all be delighted with a 3-5 million bpd reduction by the Sunni states.

I sure wouldn't bet on a diminution in ME dump fires until oil gets back to $70.

[narciso]

ah beeks I had forgotten about him,

http://panampost.com/hana-fischer/2015/10/09/latin-americas-love-affair-with-unfaithful-state-companies/

[Tom Maguire]

Re:

Well, this doesn't appear to be a campus gun free zone=happy hunting ground for a nutter, but a much more mundane argument gone bad.

Given the hour (1:20 AM) this does look like a drug/alcohol argument gone bad.

However! I put in an update at the top noting that (a) Arizona is a stand your ground state; (b) based on the description, self-defense may be an issue, and (c) what is the shooter was defending, for example, a black or gay kid against a fraternity beat-down?

Lots of reasons to think this story goes down the memory hole in a hurry.

One story identified the three wounded but I haven't run down their details.

[rich@gmu]

Posted by: Miss Marple 2 | October 09, 2015 at 11:28 AM

improbable. and the Israelis bombed a nuclear facility in Syria (it was some sort of joint effort with NK and Iran) back in 06 or 07 ...

[rich@gmu]

or just follow Rick's lead.

[Beasts of England]

And that's why I'll never own a plane, ManTran! I can touch the stratosphere in cars, but I could never afford the plane I would want. 300 mph does sound pretty enticing, though. lol

And that King Air sure put a lot of those jets to shame. A regal machine if I've ever seen one! I even looked up some fractional costs for the 350i this morning, given my hatred of commercial air. One day...

[Beasts of England]

And that's why I'll never own a plane, ManTran! I can touch the stratosphere in cars, but I could never afford the plane I would want. 300 mph does sound pretty enticing, though. lol

And that King Air sure put a lot of those jets to shame. A regal machine if I've ever seen one! I even looked up some fractional costs for the 350i this morning, given my hatred of commercial air. One day...

[Beasts of England]

Sorry 'bout dat.

[Miss Marple 2]

Of course it's improbable, rich.

I amuse myself by thinking up plots for spy novels. It's not like I have any idea of what's really going on.

[Threadkiller]

Re Issa and the speakership. Remember his involvement in Gowdy Doody's Benghazi Show?

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/06/17/issa-kicked-out-of-private-benghazi-meeting

[Dave (in MA)]

A Facebook post by Stephanie pertaining to Cuba reminded me that I've been hearing ads on our local news/talk radio station where they're offering a package tour to Cuba, and one of the "highlights" of the tour is a visit to the Che Guevara mausoleum. Eff these people.

DOU BAGs

[Miss Marple 2]

Clemson University apologizes for serving Mexican food.

http://www.campusreform.org/?ID=6873

And with that, I am off to run errands.

[Miss Marple 2]

Hope I fixed the bolding.

[rich@gmu]

wow some old war planes just flew overhead ...

[Dave (in MA)]

</b>
My bad?
Fixed?

[DrJ]

Off.

[rich@gmu]

lol ...

[Extraneus]

So Jimmy, it's thread related? I have no idea what that can be, but can you let me know if it clears up or keeps happening on the next thread?

[Cecil Turner]

improbable.

3 is well beyond improbable. The important Iranian facilities are hardened, and the only way for a cruise missile to destroy 'em would be with a nuke warhead. (Besides, AFAICT there are no credible reports of the errant missiles actually hitting anything.)

I'm sure the arms fair aspect is very important to Putin but his main economic driver is extortion of a significant Saudi production reduction.

I doubt the Saudis are going to change production quotas based on such an indirect threat (as opposed to the very direct threat of shale producers). And Saudi production is expected to taper off soon anyway, as shale producers run out of money. However, as noted in the article, Russian actions do provide a ‘geopolitical risk premium’ to oil prices, and that probably is one of their motivators.

[Dave (in MA)]

I have the buccaneerolator on (Chrome & greasemonkey on Windows) and haven't noticed any problems except for some dummy leaving bold on.

[jimmyk]

Will do, ext. There have been no greasemonkey updates in 2 years as far as I can tell.

[narciso]

I forget, no seriously, there was a piece that they need to lower production, to raise prices to counter the Russian/Iranian enclave, some days ago,

[Jack is Back! :]

Rick Ballard,

What if they are "sorta guided missles" that can easily be hacked by the Israelis mid-flight or at launch control? Actually, a benefit not a feature.

[Extraneus]

Must be something about the thread. I hope it's not a Typepad update...

[Man Tran]

Fractionals aren't particularly economic. Only work with corporate overheads that can hide them. Simple partnerships can work, if you find like minded players -- similar to big boats, but more constrained by airworthiness/inspection rules.

[narciso]

I hear their creme brulee is excellent,

http://freebeacon.com/national-security/four-seasons-evades-questions-about-hosting-hamas-terror-leader/

[rich@gmu]

https://www.dmr.nd.gov/oilgas/stats/DailyProdPrice.pdf

the oil shale was coming up on the physical limits on ND anyway ... still 1.2 million bbl a day (won't be for long however). I think Russia has a much more comprehensive plan to deal with Saudi-Aramco than a Shiite Arms Bizarre.

[Cecil Turner]

Lots of reasons to think this story goes down the memory hole in a hurry.

Concur. I'm trying to find the hook that gives it legs (mixed metaphor alert), but so far . . .

I amuse myself by thinking up plots for spy novels.

By that metric it is quite successful. Twisty is good!

[Beasts of England]

I think I just need to become best friends with the owner of the one over here at the lake, ManTran! ;)

[narciso]

it's like that story from down under of the cell in Paramatta, down the rabbit hole,

[GMax]

Dont get on that King Air, Beast. You will be spoiled for life. Nothing else will do, but bring your pocketbook. The operating costs are much higher than any golddigger you have ever run across!

[James D]

Didn't Google once boast of having the motto "don't be evil" ?

http://qz.com/520652/groundwork-eric-schmidt-startup-working-for-hillary-clinton-campaign/

If an R wins the White House, he/she could probably do worse than to sic the FTC, SEC and a few dozen other agencies on Google and Facebook and other Silicon Valley outfits that lean 99% Dem...

[Cecil Turner]

I think Russia has a much more comprehensive plan to deal with Saudi-Aramco than a Shiite Arms Bizarre.

I'm skeptical. The strategic gradient shifts dramatically across the Mideast, especially as they get to the Arabian peninsula, and that might be one of the very few threats that would energize the bumbler-in-chief.

From Vlad's point of view, supporting a resurgent Iran is a far more prudent play.

[Beasts of England]

I've flown on a couple over the years, GMax - I like them much better than the light jets. I'll be over my fantasy lust in the next few days, I'm sure. :)

[narciso]

I must have missed this story, at the time, the Myers were the big deal,

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/convicted-russian-spy-ran-espionage-scheme-prison/story?id=12090721

[DebinNC]

Spencer Stone stabbing update .... He intervened in a fight between a boyfriend-hitting female and her girlfriend's face-punching boyfriend. The ungrateful female fled the scene in Stone's stabber/s car.

[narciso]

a little perspective,

http://www.independent.org/newsroom/article.asp?id=1535

[Dave (in MA)]

In the city, it took 15 minutes for an ambulance to get to the scene. Great.

[Jeff Dobbs]

TM:
I put in an update

With a link to coed.com, even.

What is this place coming to?

[narciso]

well this place also has some details on occasion:

http://heavy.com/news/2015/10/colin-brough-steven-jones-north-arizona-university-shooting-suspect-victims-delta-chi-fraternity-twitter-facebook-tumblr-funeral-date-time/

and something worthy of neuralization,

[narciso]

see I missed that, I apologize,