Took the beagles to the beach for a walk and missed the Gowdy questioning but according to Mrs. JiB he was scathing. Any comments? I understand he brought up Sid Vicious and Drumheller.
--I strongly suspect they'd prefer to compromise with the FC. However, if no compromise will satisfy the conservatives in their own party, yes, they'll look for votes elsewhere.--
So "they" have offered all compromises to the conservatives and the nasty conservatives have turned all of them down?
A supermajority of the FC just voted to support Ryan for Speaker but they turn down every other possible compromise the leadership makes?
What you "suspect" and what the FC reports as actually occurring; repeatedly no amendments allowed, no compromises offered or only meaningless ones, punitive measures taken for even voicing dissent or not supporting meaningless compromises and closed door promises repeatedly broken are vastly different. What the FC reports coincides very well with public observations of the leadership's performance, so you can suspect what you want but my lyin eyes see what GOP leadership does and they see quite clearly where the problem lies.
When Barry and Pelosi and Reid start screaming about how unfair and combative and hard to work with Boehner, McTurtle and the rest of the mopes at the top are then I'll believe they're doing their job. When Reid and Pelosi are sticking up for the GOP leadership there's a problem and it isn't the FC.
James D, squaredance, and Ignatz bringing the hammer down on the GOPe makes me think I'm at Ace's place!
I find your collective contributions persuasive. The GOPe's subversion of small d democracy over the last five years isn't much different from how the Ds passed Obamacare. Trump and the non politicians have a huge advantage accordingly.
And it's truly a GOPe own goal. And not even the 'good faith effort where you get 90% of your foot on the ball when you needed 95%' kind of own goal. It's the fullback passing back to the goalie hitting the ball over his head kind of own goal. Lots of folks identify with the goalie these days.
I cannot remember a time when there was this sort of partisan collusion nor where a CEO of a large firm stood so stridently against half the country. Of course, the country knows nothing about it.
Given the cornyism, this is really too much.
Our political system is now so corrupt, I wonder if it can be saved.
OH of course, Hillary will get away with this. It will even look like it she was being bullied.
But think about it. This is dastardly stuff. I do not recall any high official being caught out like this, ever. It is far worse than Nixon.
Yet the nation as whole does not seem to care. Certainly the Democrats do not care in the slightest--it is just politics to them; it is like a football game. Nowhere do I hear democrats owning up to what this costs the country; not one seems to want to look beyond petty partisan politics.
It is a sad comment on the nation that she is running at all, let alone that she has a very real chance of winning. (And do not kid yourselves, she has a good shot at this.)
I predict that all of her perfidy will not really matter in the coming elections. After this Fall we will not really here much of this outside of the GOP candidates' speeches.
After the start of the year, this will be a non-issue.
What you "suspect" and what the FC reports as actually occurring; repeatedly no amendments allowed, no compromises offered or only meaningless ones, punitive measures taken for even voicing dissent or not supporting meaningless compromises and closed door promises repeatedly broken are vastly different.
In at least one of those ("punitive measures taken for even voicing dissent"), we know the problem was a negative procedural vote, by Mark Meadows, discussed here at some length. Meadows was then at least somewhat responsible for recalling Boehner. So what the "FC reports" might be taken with just a bit of salt.
Get your 40 stalwarts together and run the House. Oh, wait, that's right, you can't. And they at least seem to've figured that out.
~$7M per second, I think.
Posted by: Beasts of England | October 22, 2015 at 01:34 PM
Took the beagles to the beach for a walk and missed the Gowdy questioning but according to Mrs. JiB he was scathing. Any comments? I understand he brought up Sid Vicious and Drumheller.
Posted by: Jim Eagle | October 22, 2015 at 01:48 PM
Pointed out that although she said Sid's emails were unsolicited, there were numerous examples of her asking him to send information.
Passed along Sid's emails with his name redacted to State, including Stevens, even though she didn't know where some of the information came from.
Didn't know that some other guy wrote a lot of Sid's emails.
She said something about her iPad and Gowdy said they would revisit the iPad this afternoon.
Posted by: Miss Marple 2 | October 22, 2015 at 01:58 PM
--I strongly suspect they'd prefer to compromise with the FC. However, if no compromise will satisfy the conservatives in their own party, yes, they'll look for votes elsewhere.--
So "they" have offered all compromises to the conservatives and the nasty conservatives have turned all of them down?
A supermajority of the FC just voted to support Ryan for Speaker but they turn down every other possible compromise the leadership makes?
What you "suspect" and what the FC reports as actually occurring; repeatedly no amendments allowed, no compromises offered or only meaningless ones, punitive measures taken for even voicing dissent or not supporting meaningless compromises and closed door promises repeatedly broken are vastly different. What the FC reports coincides very well with public observations of the leadership's performance, so you can suspect what you want but my lyin eyes see what GOP leadership does and they see quite clearly where the problem lies.
When Barry and Pelosi and Reid start screaming about how unfair and combative and hard to work with Boehner, McTurtle and the rest of the mopes at the top are then I'll believe they're doing their job. When Reid and Pelosi are sticking up for the GOP leadership there's a problem and it isn't the FC.
Posted by: Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki | October 22, 2015 at 02:04 PM
James D, squaredance, and Ignatz bringing the hammer down on the GOPe makes me think I'm at Ace's place!
I find your collective contributions persuasive. The GOPe's subversion of small d democracy over the last five years isn't much different from how the Ds passed Obamacare. Trump and the non politicians have a huge advantage accordingly.
And it's truly a GOPe own goal. And not even the 'good faith effort where you get 90% of your foot on the ball when you needed 95%' kind of own goal. It's the fullback passing back to the goalie hitting the ball over his head kind of own goal. Lots of folks identify with the goalie these days.
Posted by: East Bay Jay | October 22, 2015 at 02:05 PM
Hil looks incompetent and clueless
Didn't care about Benghazi and it shows in the paperwork difference from 2011
Posted by: maryrose | October 22, 2015 at 02:05 PM
Tonight's news will just show her speechified responses to the Dems' softball questions--poor little Hillary--I guarantee it.
Posted by: clarice | October 22, 2015 at 02:20 PM
And this
(from a link on that last post of mine.)
I cannot remember a time when there was this sort of partisan collusion nor where a CEO of a large firm stood so stridently against half the country. Of course, the country knows nothing about it.
Given the cornyism, this is really too much.
Our political system is now so corrupt, I wonder if it can be saved.
Posted by: squaredance | October 22, 2015 at 02:35 PM
Tammy: Rodham is a lying robot.
Posted by: Captain Hate on the iPad | October 22, 2015 at 02:36 PM
squaredance, in the last seven years I've almost done a 180 on big business and the WSJ. If someone would've predicted that I'd have said NFW.
Posted by: Captain Hate on the iPad | October 22, 2015 at 02:40 PM
OH of course, Hillary will get away with this. It will even look like it she was being bullied.
But think about it. This is dastardly stuff. I do not recall any high official being caught out like this, ever. It is far worse than Nixon.
Yet the nation as whole does not seem to care. Certainly the Democrats do not care in the slightest--it is just politics to them; it is like a football game. Nowhere do I hear democrats owning up to what this costs the country; not one seems to want to look beyond petty partisan politics.
It is a sad comment on the nation that she is running at all, let alone that she has a very real chance of winning. (And do not kid yourselves, she has a good shot at this.)
I predict that all of her perfidy will not really matter in the coming elections. After this Fall we will not really here much of this outside of the GOP candidates' speeches.
After the start of the year, this will be a non-issue.
Posted by: squaredance | October 22, 2015 at 02:41 PM
CH: me too.
Posted by: squaredance | October 22, 2015 at 02:57 PM
What you "suspect" and what the FC reports as actually occurring; repeatedly no amendments allowed, no compromises offered or only meaningless ones, punitive measures taken for even voicing dissent or not supporting meaningless compromises and closed door promises repeatedly broken are vastly different.
In at least one of those ("punitive measures taken for even voicing dissent"), we know the problem was a negative procedural vote, by Mark Meadows, discussed here at some length. Meadows was then at least somewhat responsible for recalling Boehner. So what the "FC reports" might be taken with just a bit of salt.
Get your 40 stalwarts together and run the House. Oh, wait, that's right, you can't. And they at least seem to've figured that out.
Posted by: Cecil Turner | October 22, 2015 at 04:04 PM