Losing Their Religion

John Tierney revisits the non-utility of recycling. Read it all, but I will bait you with these two snippets. OK, three:

But how much difference does it make? Here’s some perspective: To offset the greenhouse impact of one passenger’s round-trip flight between New York and London, you’d have to recycle roughly 40,000 plastic bottles, assuming you fly coach. If you sit in business- or first-class, where each passenger takes up more space, it could be more like 100,000.

Even those statistics might be misleading. New York and other cities instruct people to rinse the bottles before putting them in the recycling bin, but the E.P.A.’s life-cycle calculation doesn’t take that water into account. That single omission can make a big difference, according to Chris Goodall, the author of “How to Live a Low-Carbon Life.” Mr. Goodall calculates that if you wash plastic in water that was heated by coal-derived electricity, then the net effect of your recycling could be more carbon in the atmosphere.

Pushing against the tide:

As a business, recycling is on the wrong side of two long-term global economic trends. For centuries, the real cost of labor has been increasing while the real cost of raw materials has been declining. That’s why we can afford to buy so much more stuff than our ancestors could. As a labor-intensive activity, recycling is an increasingly expensive way to produce materials that are less and less valuable.

Losing their religion:

Then why do so many public officials keep vowing to do more of it? Special-interest politics is one reason — pressure from green groups — but it’s also because recycling intuitively appeals to many voters: It makes people feel virtuous, especially affluent people who feel guilty about their enormous environmental footprint. It is less an ethical activity than a religious ritual, like the ones performed by Catholics to obtain indulgences for their sins.

Religious rituals don’t need any practical justification for the believers who perform them voluntarily. But many recyclers want more than just the freedom to practice their religion. They want to make these rituals mandatory for everyone else, too, with stiff fines for sinners who don’t sort properly. Seattle has become so aggressive that the city is being sued by residents who maintain that the inspectors rooting through their trash are violating their constitutional right to privacy.

I think he had fun writing that passage but he knows it is hatebait. Here is Mr. Tierney writing at InstaPundit:

RECYCLING IS STILL GARBAGE: I was curious to see the reaction to my piece in today’s New York Times on the follies of recycling. It’s a sequel to a 1996 article that set a record for hate mail at the New York Times Magazine, and I wondered if green-minded readers would be any more receptive this time...

My own little recycling story from my time in the Greatest City in the World in the late 80's is this: Our building would dutifully put out its trash on our assigned night, with most of the residents earnestly segregating the bottles into separate plastic bags. Distrustful of our diligence, the homeless would then slash open all the bags and toss the garbage around looking for additional recyclable bottles worth a $.05 deposit.

In the morning the trash trucks would come by and scoop up everything; sometimes, due to budget issues, the trucks were not equipped with a separate recycling section so all the garbage would be tossed into the same place. And as a bonus, from time to time our building would be warned that if our sorting was not even more diligent we would be fined. Some of the less motivated residents would then note that the police could probably go a mile or so north and cite the buildings up there for failing to recycle the glass containers littering over the sidewalk. For even more excitement they could then cite them for selling crack cocaine. Or why take a chance? That might get scary, whereas writing up a bunch of garbage-sorting NYC professionals is only hazardous if you ask them for tax planning advice.

Well, we have all passed a lot of water since then...

Comments

[henry]

Just plain dumb, but as insty says-- more opportunity for graft.

[Porchlight]

Recycling is stupid and part of the giant eco scam. I do it anyway though; such is the power of peer pressure. Except when I am cranky and throw the recycling in the trash. A favorite Earth Day activity (only stupid libs say "ritual") of mine.

[Janet S. ~ et al.]

Except when I am cranky and throw the recycling in the trash.

I hear ya, I do the exact same thing.

[henry]

The announcers think the 49ers will recycle Gabberts and toss Kapeneck in the trash.

[buccaneer morgan]

a republic, if you can keep it,

http://panampost.com/carlos-sabino/2015/10/02/guatemalans-must-pay-the-price-of-eternal-vigilance-to-be-free/

yes, what happened with him lately,

[buccaneer morgan]

my view of diem, was occasioned by his earlier work

http://nypost.com/2015/10/04/putins-power-grab-in-syria-draws-weak-response-from-dc/

[Porchlight]

Yay Janet. We should make a date to do it simultaneously during the next Human Achievement Hour.

[Janet S. ~ et al.]

An online local news poll asking if there should be stricter gun laws - http://wric.com/2015/10/02/8news-daily-poll-would-you-support-stricter-gun-laws/

It's at 98.68 for NO now.

[Janet S. ~ et al.]

correction - 96.68

[Threadkiller]

California has created a class of citizen that gets paid far less than minimum wage as they bicycle from dumpster to dumpster filling trash bags with aluminum and plastic treasure.

[maryrose]

On diet thread concern about Ritalin causing weight imbalance
I agree with that assessment
Also when teenagers discover depression drugs cause weight gain they immediately want to take something else
Browns lose a heartbreaker
Time to start talking about basketball

[maryrose]

I still recycle
It is the only concession I give to the Greens
Also leave all national parks intact

[maryrose]

It was disheartening watching Fox News Sunday
The obvious solution more money for mental health services and arm personnel at the entrance to the college classrooms and more security guards
Killers scope out soft targets

[buccaneer morgan]

we don't want to wrestle with evil, the darkness in some soul, so we've devised one hundred ways of minimizing dysfunction,

[David in Cal]

Since it's required by law where I live, I recycle. It's like living in a totalitarian state with arbitrary rules. You follow the rules to avoid being punished and just get on with your life.

[Stephanie]

https://www.facebook.com/WTOCJamieErtle/photos/a.551382108283854.1073741825.317345335020867/911325512289510/?type=3&theater

Info on the interstate disaster on I-95

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

I don't recycle precisely because they tell me to. Such is the power of obstinance.

[henry]

Jane is well inland from that right?

[rse]

I knew a lawyer who represented the waste companies years ago and his wife was the one who called it a scam. She said they just put it all back together at the landfills.

It was the beginning of my paradigm epiphany. The other was listening to PP misstate what I knew the Con Law was.

The final straw was knowing healthcare law so cold I saw what would become the blue book answer well in advance. Again anytime anyone in politics spoke they misrepresented the law.

[lyle]

I've always wondered about the water use in recycling. You'd think in CA in particular they might consider it but there's probably no state as much dominated by the Watermelons.

[Old Lurker]

All household trash on Nantucket has to be sorted and placed in clear plastic bags so the trashmen can pickup only bags containing sorted stuff. Non clear bags will not be taken, nor will bags with unsorted material in them.

[lyle]

We don't have to sort. We have large bins so it's pretty easy. We're troglodytes.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Here's how they recycle in other parts of Massachusetts.You take one mixed race laddy whose mommy and daddy got a divorce, toss in a white teacher who used a "trigger" word and then you take her to the bathroom to sort and segregate her by raping her and slitting her throat with a box cutter.
Toss her in a recycle barrel, drag her to the woods and try to compost her.
Only a lad.
I guess school slittings don't warrant presidential attention.

[Dave (in MA)]

How do you throw away an old recycling bin?

[Dave (in MA)]

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[Stephanie]

That is far east of where Jane hopefully drove, but Florence and surrounding areas are about 5 feet deep in water. 3 feet deep in a friend's house.

[sbw]

From an earlier thread ...

Peter: took my son up to see Hamilton College yesterday.

Peter, if he does go to Hamilton or Colgate, I am, respectively, 20 minutes and 40 minutes away in Rome. You can give him our name, address, phone, and email to keep, just in case.

I went to Colgate many years ago.

[sbw]

Peter, what does you son want to study?

[Jim Eagle]

You should see what my 89 y.o. FIL has to go through in Belgium to seperate his trash. He h

as 7 different bin or trash cans he has to use.

1. Paper
2. Cans and Plastic
3. Bottles and glass
4. Food stuff like leftovers, peels, skins, etc.
5. Regular trash not in the above
6. Large wood or metal objects like pots or pans or utensils
7. Yard waste like leaves, grass, limbus,etc.

Each day is a different pickup and you need a special stick on label you pick up at the local council offices to affix to the containers. They actually inspect the stuff at the source to make sure you are not cheating. Talk about broken windows economy.

Coming soon to a neighborhood near you if the progs and watermelon party will have it.

[Jim Eagle]

For my friend OL:)

Charlie Smith is on his deathbed and knows the end is near.

His nurse, his wife Sarah, his daughter Sybil and 2 sons, Bernie and Jamie, are with him.

He asks for 2 witnesses to be present and a camcorder be in place to record his last wishes, and when all is ready he begins to speak:

My son, "Bernie, I want you to take the Mayfair houses."

"My daughter "Sybil, you take the apartments over in the east end."

" My son, "Jamie, I want you to take the offices over in the City Centre."
"Sarah, my dear wife, please take all the residential buildings on the banks of the river."

The nurse and witnesses are blown away as they did not realize his extensive holdings, and as Doug slips away, the nurse says, "Mrs. Smith, your husband must have been such a hard-working man to have accumulated all this property".

Sarah replies, "Property ? ... the asshole has a paper route!"

[Dave (in MA)]

I don't really mind recycling, but I voted against the stupid Bottle Bill in my first election.

[Dave (in MA)]

from a Fark PS contest - not mine

[buccaneer morgan]

tell us oh wise one:

http://hotair.com/headlines/archives/2015/10/04/what-christians-get-wrong-about-forgiveness/

she's the one that doesn't believe there were any christian martyrs,

[buccaneer morgan]

a couple of threads, ago, Ignatz, mentioned blake lively, he didn't know who she was,

[buccaneer morgan]

since recycling of a sort is featured here.

http://thefederalist.com/2015/10/03/what-the-martian-tells-us-about-life-on-earth/#disqus_thread

[boatbuilder]

Tierney is a brave man.

Next up: solar power.

[buccaneer morgan]

that would be too abrupt a step, 'he should transition through stage, like say' banking,

I liked Interstellar, when I dvr'd it, but as with all chris nolan project, I had to see it twice,

[Miss Marple]

Out here in the county we have to PAY to recycle.

My daughter got me to do it for a while, but when I cut the budget I told her we would only recycle if she paid.

Ha!

We are not recycling.

[clarice]

My son when he was a teen was always big on recycling. Good as he is I never recall him moving the stuff out to the street to be picked up.

[Miss Marple]

Fclarice,

You see how we have to nip that bossiness in the bud.

Daughter was the same about a lot of stuff.

She still has tendencies but is much better. All it took was asking for bills to be paid.

[clarice]

MM, it's why I get so much joy watching young adults getting their first pay stub and seeing what was deducted to cover what as teens they believed every person has a "right" to. I'm a sadist.

Nytol

[daddy]

I'm skeptical, but its interesting that we're seeing reports like this after only a couple days of Russian Airstrikes:

ISIS left so weakened by airstrikes and desertion it could be destroyed in just HOURS

I've been watching a bit of the Russia Today News Channel and it says no civilians have been hit whatsoever, it's nothing but dead terrorists, and that things are going swimmingly.

Is that what you guys are hearing?

:)

[Threadkiller]

Each day is a different pickup...

Seven trips down the same street every week and these clowns claim the moral high ground in eco-friendliness?

Fuel, emissions, wear and tear on the pavement, etc.

What is worse is that nobody was able to stop this madness.

[Miss Marple]

daddy,

Not hearing much here at all. Mostly we are hearing about gun control and GOP polls.

[buccaneer morgan]

I'm reminded of the original V series, they had Howard K Smith, broadcast the Freedom Network,
which told the real story of the resistance, all around the world,

[Threadkiller]

"They have built up this superhero status because of the way the Iraqi army just fell apart when they confronted it. But that was not very much to do with their ability to fight, it was to do with the Iraqi army, which just doesn't have a leadership that inspires. Once you've got a General running off you don't expect the soldiers to stand and fight. 

"As a result, they have given the impression that they are far more capable than they are. If we had serious forces fighting in a coordinated battle against these people they wouldn't last very long at all"

Quite some time ago I complained that Fox seemed to only play one set of footage over and over. That footage helped solidify the impression that ISIS was a superior force.

I hate Fox News.

[Jane]

I'm home. Good night

[Dave (in MA)]

Congrats, Jane!

[daddy]

we have to nip that bossiness in the bud.

Daughter was the same about a lot of stuff.

Miss M,

A nice thing about living up here where we don't have recycling is that the "Save The Earth" memes of recycling never took off with the girls. Nor did "Save The Wolves", since wolves up here eat people, and all the locals know it. Nor did "Global Warming", due to our 8 month long winters, nor campaigns to "Bike To Work" and "Go Solar."

The girls were bossy about making sure our Garbage Cans were bear proof, but ours were bear proof so they only hated our lazy neighbors for that.

In the long run there was a real benefit in raising them so far away from Big City "Kumbaya" memes.

And just for interest, the Asian channels are showing the destruction in Palmyra of the ancient arch monument. That seems to have really hit a nerve over here, as they have a deep respect for ancient civilizations, and such anti-civilizational destruction resonates with true civilized people of all stripes.

[buccaneer morgan]

congrats, Jane,

[Threadkiller]

Good job, Jane!

Goodnight as well.

[buccaneer morgan]

in one of the tales I mentioned earlier, the fantasy spy tale, the left handed way, there's a brief scene, set in Istanbul, where there are two statues of Theodosia and Justinian, in the forms suggested by Procopius's secret history,

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Who's Doug?

[DrJ]

Wretchard has a parable for tonight:

http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2015/10/04/what-would-jfk-do/

[buccaneer morgan]

yes, that would be the lesson he would glean from that experience,

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Johnathon Alter being his usual hideous, odious little self and having a very bad idea for his side in the bargain;
Barry should challenge Wayne LaPierre to a debate on gun control.

[lyle]

Watching the local NBC affiliate, the ads for tomorrow's Today Show are a puke-inducing Hilligula tongue bath. Consider this a massive thigh cellulite warning. NBC: all in for the soulless scrunt.

[Miss Marple]

Daddy,

Grandson's final eye opener were the Chin refugees with new cars and no jobs while he was working 2 jobs and driving our old pick up truck.

That kid will always be a conservative!

[lyle]

I don't know who Doug is but I can't say this strongly enough: go for it, Wayne! If you can't make it, please let me stand in for you.

[lyle]

Puhleeeeeeeze???

[daddy]

Hi Jane,

Glad you 2 made it.

Finished my Lafayette Escadrille History Book last night of WW1, and in the last chapter, as the war is winding down, one of the Escadrille pilots who now no longer has a plane to fly, says "The office housing Americnan aviation headquarters in Paris was filled with fliers veterans like him called "kiwis": birds that had wings but never flew."

I would love to see the Beeb or someone make a decent miniseries of the Lafayette Escadrill and their wartime roll from 1914-1918 in the skies over the French/German front. Absolutely fascinating characters all, plus a very wealthy American "den-Mother" sort, Alice Weeks, who set up a Paris Chateau residence, and became the sort of Mom to all and place to meet, after her son was killed at the front. It would beautifully lend itself I would think to a miniseries, and included would be Patriotism and courage and Love of Country and freedom and all the rest that we almost never get on TV any more.

Here's one of the best of them, Raoul Lufbery and his Pet Lion, "Whiskey:"
They bought him during a drunken liberty in Paris, and eventually they got "Whiskey" a female lion girlfriend, which they named "Soda."

[buccaneer morgan]

this season of the strain, ended on a downer,

[buccaneer morgan]

theodora, correction, it plays with a lot of conventions, trying to tie, Marlowe the playwright and spy, to Marlow the narrator of Heart of Darkness to Phillip Marlowe, Chandler's creation,

[buccaneer morgan]

on a lighter note, I started on one Phrynne Fisher's mysteries,

[daddy]

Barry should challenge Wayne LaPierre to a debate on gun control.

Screw Johnathan Alter. In this Obama quote from 2008, he's already explained why the Gun Ownership side is correct.

Obama: ‘If They Bring a Knife to the Fight, We Bring a Gun’

Exactly.

[jorod]

People used to feed garbage to the pigs and burn the rest. People today are clueless.

[daddy]

Interesting Wretchard, DrJ.

Russia Today TV News keeps running clips of some reporter on the ground at Latakia AirBase, showing the Russian jets taking off, describing their armaments, then showing the return of different Russian combat jets and describing what he thinks they accomplished. Then running video clips of explosions etc.

The Asian and Russian Channels have been better today in drawing my eyes than CNN or BBC, as I'm interested in events on the ground and in the air over Syria, and I'm not getting that on CNN/BBC.

Miss Marple,

That's cool about Nate. Hope he's having a great time in school. Momma e-mails me to tell me that ZoBob has fallen in love with a course in GeoPhysics! Yippee! She sounds like your kindred spirit:) Hope I can get her blabbing about it excitedly in discussion during Christmas Break.

[jorod]

There is a movie about the Escadrilles called Flyboys.

[buccaneer morgan]

Alas it's not a very good one.

[daddy]

Thanks Jorod,

I'll keep my eyes open for it.

[daddy]

Narciso,

Maybe I won't look very hard:)

One good episode is that one of the kids is from Oakland Cal, and in 1908 he goes up to Nome. "By 1914 he and a Business partner ...are in the business of raising huskies and training and performing with teams of sled dogs...

When the War begins, the partner contracts with the French Govt to supply 300 huskies for dog sled teams to evacuate wounded French ( mountain troops) from... the Vosges mountains

So these guys haul the dogs on over, then he becomes an ambulance driver like Hemingway, then talks his way into Flight School. Fascinating.

Book says that he died in Palo Alta Cal, in 1963, at 78. He had lived a uniquely American success story---a boy who went into the world and became a decorated fighter pilot, a Hollywood figure, an oilman, and a rancher, married to a movie star.

Sounds like a life very well lived.

Now I see that CNN is interviewing a student who survived the OR shooting. She is obviously of Chinese heritage. The camera is focused only on the back of her head as she talks so I don't know if CNN is doing that to protect her identity, or to not allow the viewers to know she is of Chinese heritage, since if the meme is that he is a "White Power" guy, why is he letting non-Whites live? Beats me, but having read Clarice's Piece I wouldn't be surprised if its 'Identity Politics."

[daddy]

CNN International now covering the Russian move into Syria, but the entire segment is simply asking select Russians on the street to say how terrible the Russian Afghan War was. Segment was about 3 to 4 minutes long. An objective observer would only learn from this segment that the last War was terrible and that this Syria thing will probably fail, and all almost all Russians are against it.

As for the actions in Syria, CNN simply says that Russian sources said 20 airstrikes occurred today. No other comment.

Then on to stories unrelated to Syria.

Here's an alternate take: ISIS jihadis OBLITERATED: Putin jets blast terrorist HQ in Syria with bunker-buster bombs

RUSSIAN bombers have OBLITERATED nine Islamic State (ISIS) outposts in just 24 hours as Vladimir Putin steps up his huge bombing campaign in Syria.

[daddy]

Deutsch TV (DW) says that secret German Govt documents have been uncovered saying that the German Govt knows the refugee numbers coming in to Germany this year will be 1.5 million instead of the 800,000 they have publicly admitted.

The televised report says that the Govt is denying the numbers but that the Govt will issue some comments on these new reported numbers within a few hours. The DW TV report says that Public Opinion in Germany has turned against the refugees and against Merkle's invitation, and that the initial cheering of citizens as the first "Syrian" refugees stepped off the trains in Germany has disappeared and been replaced by anger.

Qumbaya.

[Gentlejim]

Vlad does that while 404 sits in his pajamas drinking his hot cocoa dreaming of draining the winning putt at Augusta.

[daddy]

Vlad does that while 404 sits

Gentlejim,

Reminds me of this scene in The Simpson's Movie where the character Tom Hank's comes out and says,

"The US Government has lost it's credibility so it's borrowing some of mine...This is Tom Hanks saying "If you're going to pick a Government to trust, why not this one?"

[daddy]

Well this blows: No Bad Deed Must Go Unrewarded: A Nobel Peace Prize for Angela Merkel?

The German Chancellor has emerged as the firm favourite for the 2015 peace prize, the winner of which will be announced by the Norwegian Nobel Committee next Friday.

That's for taking in 1.5 Million.

Can you imagine what John Kerry's doing this second?

Kerry: Mister President, we have to immediately announce we're letting in 2 million refugees or Merkle's gonna' beat me out of the Nobel Prize.

Back to the story:

Given family structures in the Middle East, this would mean each individual from that region who is granted asylum bringing an average of four to eight family members over to Germany in due course, Bild quoted the report as saying… “Four to eight” times “up to 1.5 million”, hmmm…

Hopefully they'll all be avid recyclers.

Off to work.

[peter]

sbw: many thanks for your kind offer. He wants to study writing, with a minor in business.

[Extraneus]

Reuters:

BERLIN (Reuters) - When Hesham fled Syria in early August with his pregnant wife and baby, he was sure all would be well once he got to Germany. Instead the hope has turned to despair after weeks of waiting to be registered at an overcrowded reception center in Berlin. The 26-year-old former chef is one of the hundreds of migrants who crowd around a small screen at the registration office every day, desperately waiting for their number to come up so they can go inside and get a certificate that is the first step in the asylum process.

Is that his wife and kid in the pic? Er...

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/germany-faces-logistical-nightmare-refugee-inflows-hit-record-114526581.html

[Gentlejim]

Ext,
There must be a different clearer picture of his better half and child.

[pagar a bacon, ham and sausage supporter]

http://www.weaselzippers.us/235951-12-christians-brutally-executed-by-isis-because-they-refused-to-renounce-christ/

Maybe Putin is not protecting Christians as much as he claims to be.

http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2015/10/03/brit-defense-secretary-only-5-of-russian-air-strikes-in-syria-target-islamic-state/

[DrJ]

Once again it is Nobel season:

Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine Awarded to Three Scientists

Scientists from Ireland, Japan and China won this year’s Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine for discoveries relating to therapies against infections caused by roundworm parasites and malaria.

[Man Tran]

A few dots to connect:
1) Those vast miles of landfills in CA with bulldozers and seagulls you've never seen;
2) Those countless UP trains hauling garbage up the coast to Seattle you've never heard about;
3) (insert Underpants Gnome step) ???
4) Vast Sargasso Sea of plastic and crap in North Pacific.

Yeah, that recycling really works.

[Janet S. ~ et al.]

What's with all the beating up of the NRA?

New York Daily News: State Dept Must Designate the NRA a Terrorist Organization…

Was the latest murdering nutcase man a member of the NRA?

[Jack is Back!]

daddy,

My French associate once took me to the Lafayette Escadrille memorial outside Paris at Marnes-de-Coquette. Very impressive. On the west side past the peripheral road. Next time there you may want to visit. I think the RER can get you close.

[rse]

Have we discussed this Strong Cities Network announcement of Loretta Lynch last week at the UN? http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/launch-strong-cities-network-strengthen-community-resilience-against-violent-extremism

Atlanta is one of the cities signed up and there has been nary a peep here. Minneapolis, Denver, and NYC also aboard.

[rse]

Janet-read my link and ask yourself what is going to be considered violent extremism in a vision of communitarian Living Together with a Saudi Prince as the relevant UN High Commissioner.

Red went shooting with her dad yesterday and said the range was packed. Lots of blacks and hispanics where husbands were teaching wives and brothers were teaching sisters and fathers and daughters least represented.

[Jeff Dobbs]

So on Saturday the Brunswick County sheriff's office had the copter out and about.

Here's an aerial pic of the golf course community we stayed at (we were playing on another course):

In several spots, elderly homeowners were out waving their arms to tell people to slow down. Your first thought at seeing this is just a bunch of old farts being old farts. But you then learn later that every time a car was making a wake - that wake was ending up in their living room.

[Marlene]

Welcome Home Jane! I'm impressed,Roanoke to Port Charlotte is a long day of driving,especially with doggy pee stops.
Frost on the pumpkin this morning.

[Jeff Dobbs]

I'm glad you made it safely Jane!

You know, we're going to have to coordinate your trips much more closely. I've only been paying half attention because of the golf trip - but if you made it to Roanoke there really is no justifiable reason not to swing by my place.

Ok, maybe there's one justifiable reason . . . I wasn't home. But still.

The important thing is you made it and made it safely. Yay!

[Marlene]

Local media is all over the cargo ship story because of the Maine connection. The El Faro previously operated in the company's Tacoma to Anchorage route, which is rugged and dangerous water,according to company officials. If more debris is found today,this story will probably have a bad ending.

[Extraneus]

Biden suggests GOP and other presidential candidates are 'homophobes'

[Janet S. ~ et al.]

Speaking at the Human Rights Campaign’s annual gala in Washington

Did Joe bring up Terry Bean, one of the founders of the Human Rights Campaign?
Was the HRC questioned about Terry having sex with a minor & paying the kid off? Was THAT mentioned?

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2014/11/20/kiah-lawson-terry-bean-human-rights-campaign-gay-sex-obama-prison-column/70021560/

Any tough questions for THAT lobbying organization?

How dare these losers stand up & call us names while their leaders are engaged in child rape.

[Extraneus]

Who has the guts to ask that question? Jeb? Rubio?

Any presidential candidate could get coverage asking about Terry Bean, and most of them need the coverage. Why don't they ever do it?

[Janet S. ~ et al.]

The Human Rights Campaign ::spit::

"Prosecutors could offer the teenager only $5 a day as a witness fee to testify against Bean – along with "the chance to talk about embarrassing details from his past ... in front of a group of strangers," Hasselman said.

"Mr. Bean offered him over $200,000 to civilly compromise this case," Hasselman said. "Now if you're this child and you have the choice between embarrassment and $5 a day and over $200,000 ... it seems to me that would be a highly influential factor in deciding what you're going to do."

Bean, 67, and former boyfriend Kiah Lawson, 25, were charged with having sex with the boy at a Eugene hotel when he was 15 in 2013. Each was charged with two counts of third-degree sodomy, a felony, and third-degree sexual abuse, a misdemeanor. The judge also dismissed the case against Lawson."

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2015/09/225000_offer_by_gay_rights_act.html

[Captain Hate on the iPad]

Since Biden is so quick to point fingers I guess he won't mind any discussion of the substance abuse in his family, right Joe?

[Extraneus]

Homophobe suggests fear of gays. Not even the most gay unfriendly adult actually "fears" gays. Children, however, should obviously "fear" anyone connected with the Human Rights Campaign.

[Extraneus]

Speaking at the Human Rights Campaign’s annual gala in Washington

Do you think the writer did that on purpose?

[Captain Hate on the iPad]

The left constantly uses words incorrectly, which is a sign of being poorly educated no matter how many scam degrees they pay for.

[henry]

That's funny coming from heterophobes and cis-normalphobes, not to mention all the ychromophobes.

[Old Lurker]

Cap'n "The left constantly uses words incorrectly, which is a sign of being poorly educated no matter how many scam degrees they pay for."

I mentioned I am reading "In the Garden of Beasts" about Germany in the 30's. Finding new meanings for existing words was very much one of the tools used to establish the new Group Think which swept the country in short order.

Ask RSE.