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November 06, 2015

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maryrose

Jeb says he respects Carson and believes him
Classy move
Good interview on Cavuto

narciso

Mr. Mcardle puts his foot in it again.

Jack is Back!

I hate these journalist f*&kers with a vengance. None of them have the cajones to even go through ROTC in high school or serve in the armed forces. They, like with firearms knowledge, have zilch when it comes to anything military especially the Academies and how that acceptance stuff works.

These people who write these stories need to be sued for their life fortunes and let them start over with that lesson in life. They are professional liars and no wonder its the Dems who support them.

centralcal

Noah Rothman on Twitter still claiming Carson's Westmoreland story is a problem - says he changed his story from dinner with the General, to a conversation with the General.

Whatevs - I hate the media - right and left.

narciso

Erickson had previously repaired to the fainting couch.

Jack is Back!

CC,

They are all circling the wagons to protect their credibility even though the Politico piece is "the Fabrication" not what Carson has ever written or said. BTW, when we burn them down can we include ex-Admiral John Kirby who proves everyday that the USNA is not perfect.

Jack is Back!

Sorry, Kirby did not attend the USNA but USF and Troy. My bad.

Sorry DoT if lurking.

maryrose

Hi centra al
So true. Media like Politico trash the good people of this world
Obama. Really selfishly rejects Keystone
We will undue every stupid decision of his come 2017

Marlene

Hubby just walked in and he is livid about the media lies about Ben Carson.
Wasn't Obama in the Choom Gang at age 17? Compare and contrast Ben Carson and Obama.We are living in an alternate universe!

maryrose

Should be undo

maryrose

Marlene
It is called Bizarro World

narciso

Come on Annapolis has standards.

Threadkiller
“I am the son of of an immigrant who came legally from Cuba,” Cruz continued. “And for the Democratic leader to cynically suggest that somehow immigrants should be lumped into the same bucket with murderers and rapists demonstrates the cynicism of the modern Democratic party.”

http://m.therightscoop.com/ted-cruz-destroys-harry-reid-on-senate-floor/

I would say "destroys" does apply. Cruz is great!

I do have a question. Did Cruz's dad immigrate to the US a second time when he was done in Canada?

narciso

Reason would drive Descartes to distraction and Erasmus to homicide.

Abadman

I looked at it like a scholarship. I got a letter from West Point as a Junior offering me the opportunity to apply. With the service academies offering is not the same as giving. There is also recruitment at the service academies for athletics. I got a letter from the Naval Academy wanting me to come look at their wrestling program and talk about going to Annapolis. That seemed like an athletic scholarship offer at the time. I am not sure how not applying means the offer was not made.

narciso

Its like the carp that red queen didn't have 'highly classified' information on her server. Winning the future!!

MaryD

People who are accepted at the Service Academies receive Appointments, not scholarships. Dr. Carson's confusion at age 17 is understandable.
The sleazy creeps who are trying to make a mountain out of this molehill are quite another story.

Jack is Back!

Abadman,

There are mutlitple levels of "acadamy acceptance": Congressional appointments including Senators; Athletic "scbolarships"; legacy appointments (wish DoT was here for discourse on that); senior flag rank appointments; Presidentail appointments, etc.

The issue here is the LIV like the MFM have no idea what they are talking about, writing about or understanding. A travesty of truth where a puposeful falsehood has been spread and given credibitlity it has no place in being considered.

henry

I'm a bit younger than Dr Carson. I too had a general tell me I could go to West Point (I also only applied to one school, the same one Carson applied to). If you qualify on the merits as by all accounts Carson did, a General can work the system to make sure you get an appointment.

This is BS on stilts.

Abadman

JIB
Yes, I understand, I was just trying to give some concrete examples why, outside of the tax code, one might think service academies offer scholarships. It is really a matter of semantics, something that people who deal with words for a living, like journalists, would get if they had a shred of honesty.

narciso

Btw it seems it was a bomb, involved in the Sinai crash.

narciso

So wrong way Cornyn is tied to these class war anarchists, holy daleks!

GMax

Politico apparently changes both headline and lede on the Carson story? Now who is the liar?

Never ever forget. Politico is Democrats for Democrats, 24/7/366.

narciso

We have always been at war with Eurasia.

Beasts of England

If you go to school and they pay for it, it's a fucking scholarship. My Father (USMA '50) would approve of my expletive in the face of this liberal media quibbling.

daddy

Just in from the Dog Walk rant.

I would like to strangle Sean Hannity. He has multiple Academy Grads calling in and relating their stories, and one speaks of being offered a slot at West Point prior to even putting in an application. he details how he was contacted, where interest was expressed, how the whole procedure went, and after he was told he had the slot, then he applied. What makes me angry is that Hannity cannot shut up and let his excellent callers speak. He has to constantly interrupt to make extraneous points. Grrrrrr!

At least Hannity is fighting back---I'll give him that.

James D.

Oh, Peter Suderman. Libertarian Peter Suderman. aka Mr. Megan McArdle.

He can die in a fire.

Beasts of England

One more thing: Dad was also president of the local West Point society and the people he wanted to get appointments got appointments. And, given Carson's intelligence and ROTC merit along with Westmoreland's endorsement, anyone doubting his certainty of getting into the academy is a mother fucking moron. I am fucking pissed.

Be right back - need to send some money to the good doctor.

daddy

David Burge @iowahawkblog
The truth is, in media playbooks all right-of-center figures must be cast as (A) evil, or (B) stupid. (A) wasn't available for Carson.

GMax

I guess in retrospect, Carson should have claimed he was dodging sniper fire in the Detroit ghetto. Even better if he decides it happened on foreign soil, like say Bosnia...

narciso


found this on Norrisey's update,

http://www.dailywire.com/news/960/no-ben-carson-didnt-lie-about-west-point-its-ben-shapiro

MaryD

Beasts, I have to beg to differ. I understand that there are different roads to an appointment, but in the end that's what they are.

MaryD

P.S. I am anything BUT the liberal media.

henry

The other part they skip: Carson paid to go to Yale. (probably had financial aid, probably worked in the dining hall while there, but definitely paid a chunk somehow). Yale and USMA have equivalent admittance requirements -- you get accepted at one you are qualified for the other.

As far as Carson deciding the military commitment would slow down his path through med school... I know another guy who was "in" USMA on the word of a general, who chose Yale, then went to Hopkins (he runs the cancer center there today). A colleague and friend of Carson's. (And for those scoring at home, my brother).

Beasts of England

Donation made.

And that's my plan for this election. Every time these media cretins falsely attack one of the four candidates I like, a donation is made. Every time.

Beasts of England

I'm not sure that I understand your issue, MaryD, but I'm still pissed off and it's probably not a good idea for me to argue with a beloved JOMer at this moment. Cheers!

MaryD

PS3 -- Seems to me it would be very un-military for an academy to differentiate between "scholarship kids" and Appointees.

MaryD

PS 4 -- Another time, Beasts!
I know we're on the same side, so nlet'scall a truce.
XXOO

narciso

musket morgan has to chime in:

https://mobile.twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/662759682151419906

Beasts of England

XOXO, MaryD! Same side, indeed! :)

boatbuilder, Esq., Lord of All He Surveys

TM--The guy's name is ErikSON.

daddy

Just wasn't to give credit to Charles Payne, FOX's black Business Reporter, for doing a great job on this Ben Carson Media lynching effort. Payne is angry and really doing a good job highlighting the hypocrisy and illegitimacy of this Lefty effort.

MaryD

PS % --Cool that your dad is a West Point grad -- I spent my terrible twos playing and climbing on the cannons that overlook the Hudson

narciso

but it's pronounced throat warbler mangrove,

https://twitter.com/ewerickson

go back seven hours and we see the rorschach test,

daddy

I think Trump's mistaken if he thinks jumping on Carson is a good idea.

Concur completely, JimmyK.

boatbuilder, Esq., Lord of All He Surveys

Is there a link to Trump jumping on Carson? I find it hard to believe that this is where his instinctive sense of media BS has been overcome by his belief in his own BS.

narciso

I have concluded most of these kibitzers, really don't care a farthing about real issues, this miguelito lovelace knitpicking while looking past felonies and malpractice, is obvious,

Captain Hate on the iPad

Tammy Bruce is on Payne's show a lot and it's a lot better fit for her than appearing with the "populist historian" who likes to move a lot of Factor gear to THE FOLKS.

daddy

I would believe any representative of an Academy would tell a high performing minority student that a slot with a full ride is yours for the asking.

GMAX,

I agree completely. I have previously mentioned my yearlong sting in Seattle as a recruiter for Naval Aviators specifically and Naval Officers in general. At the time (1985) , Whites had to score such and such on the AQTFAR Test in order for me work them for an Aviation Program. Hispanics had to achieve a score that was about 3/4's of what was required of the "White" candidate.

Blacks did not have to achieve any score at all. They simply had to take the test, and we were then required to send in their scores and their package to DC where each Black candidate's package was evaluated on an individual basis for qualification for Officer programs.

So all that said, in 1969 timeframe, if a young Black kid in Detroit had excellent grades and was the top or near the top ROTC Cadet in a Detroit High School, damn straight West Point would take him, and chances are he was told that.

FTL

That appointment stuff is a little confusing because of the congressional quotas business.

There are 535 members of congress who can have five appointments at a time at USMA. Multiplying that by five gives 2,675. The Corps of Cadets is about 4,500 across all four classes. That means that the other 2,000 come in from other appointment authorities.

Thirty years ago, athletic recruits were usually on Vice Presidential appointments, but I think that has changed. There were also Presidential appointments available for children of active duty and retired lifers. There were also appointments set aside for active duty soldiers and the children of KIA/MIA and Medal of Honor awardees.

The Army JROTC program was a big source for appointments because being designated an honor unit with distinction gives the senior instructor (retired Army officer) three appointments.

I do not mean this negatively, but there was and is a huge slush fund of nominations and appointments available. For someone of Dr. Carson's caliber--especially given the Vietnam War time frame--the nomination and appointment would have been a mere formality.

narciso

magoo's mockingbirds do what they must

http://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=359968

boatbuilder, Esq., Lord of All He Surveys

but it's pronounced throat warbler mangrove

Narciso you are a very silly man. And a very funny one with a very limited audience.

Jack is Back!

Full disclosure. I wanted to be an architect and sort of weird engineer. So when I was offered in 1961 an appointement to the Air Force Acadamey, I turned it down. The offer was prepaered as a "full scholarship, Jack". My Dad, a career AF Officer was apoplex. And for 50 years we were estranged.

To me back then, the offer by a prominent donor to the local congressman meant "scholarship". Today, I know better but shit, lets give Ben a break here. Should he have known a better semaintic when he wrote his book? Sure, so should have the phony in the WH ttoday.

This is such a BS story that if it doesn't help Carson then it should sink the jerk's like Trump who seem to suport it. I hope its the latter and not the former.

narciso

well one has to go for the absurd,

all these people, like Domenech, don't get me started or Styles, who repeat the 'redacted truth'
then posture as truth teller, you see in their feed,

Captain Hate on the iPad

Erickson has a highly developed ability to badly step in it at random intervals.

Jack is Back!

FTL.

Its still that way. Congressional appointments are the majority but the rest are a combo of Athletics, Presidential and legacy/military service.

daddy

I looked at it like a scholarship. I got a letter from West Point as a Junior offering me the opportunity to apply.

Charles Payne on his show today put up a large image of a 1992 AD in some Black Magazine like JET or Ebony or some such which was a West Point Ad which described an appointment as a "Scholarship", and then listed all the nothings you get for free; Tuition, Meals, Room and Board, etc.

So yes, on Talk radio I head criticism today of a West Point appointment not being a "Scholarship," so it was nice to see it described by West Point as a "Scholarship" in magazines meant to appeal to young Black men. If I can find it I will post it.

MaryD

daddy, that is very enlightening. Thanks for bringing it up.

daddy

I'm trying to dig it up MaryD.

Charles Payne's Show clip is not up yet via my googling of his show today "Making Money with Charles Payne" but I will keep trying to link to it when it does pop up.
Grrrrrr.

It's hard to know what to watch and listen to today. Lou Dobbs is up, but so is Gretta, and Levin's on the radio. I'm so behind I can hardly read TM's posts.

Jack is Back!

Do not go to twitter on the Carson story. There is actually full throttle racism and over the top lying and that is just the conservative types. Forget that idiot Piers Morgan or the Intern killer. It is weird.

Lynch mob in modern social media America. Pretty damn embarrassing. Glad that Frederick is at the theater watching The Peanut Movie.

narciso

oh I just went to Erickson, because the Horde pointed out, the freakout, but like a zombie plague, it cross contaminated,

boatbuilder, Esq., Lord of All He Surveys

So THIS is what they have on Carson?

No sex, no drugs, no speeding tickets?

No ER nurses who claim he ordered them around?

The man is over the target.

boatbuilder, Esq., Lord of All He Surveys

Sorry--OR nurses.

narciso


I didn't even know of these wannabe revolutionaries,

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/nov/06/andrew-fisher-labour-suspends-corbyn-policy-chief

narciso

they seem like occupy but their roots are much older

http://www.classwarparty.org.uk/

Threadkiller

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/11/06/carson-takes-on-cnn-the-media-did-not-vet-obama-as-much-as-me/

The media didn't vet Obama?

The Infamous Ignatz

--we were then required to send in their scores and their package to DC where each Black candidate's package was evaluated on an individual basis for qualification for Officer programs--

That dude clarice linked this morning is getting court martialed for a couple of stolen kisses.
Individual package evaluation has got to be considerably worse, no?

Jane

I think Carson won this one.

daddy

Lou Dobbs doing a good job schooling his panelist on the double standard between how the MSM "vet" black Ben Carson versus how they 'vetted" black Barrack Obama.

The panelist is trying to equate the vetting of Reverend Wright with what's going on with Ben Carson. Lou ain't buying it and neither am I. Obama's mentor, Reverend Wright, was on videotape screaming "God Damn America." That couldn't be ignored no matter how much they wanted to ignore it, so all Barrack had to do was a speech about how he must have missed that particular Sermon, and half if not all of the MSM bought it. Nothing equivalent whatever with Ben Carson's smear job.

jimmyk

boatbuilder @6:38, just google Trump Carson, there are lots of stories:

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/11/06/donald-trump-takes-shots-at-ben-carson-after-accounts-of-his-youth-are-questioned/

There are links from more reputable sources than the NYT.

narciso

ah here's the ad, daddy was talking about,

https://twitter.com/morgenr/status/662699371541065728/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Threadkiller

What about the Khalidi tape? That could have used a little vetting.

Jack is Back!

Vetting? Our betters in the media are not pet doctors. Or are they.

Here, Barry dear, come here. I have a treat for you.

Captain Hate on the iPad

Oh for God's sake, BOR backed off of the Wright questions on his SUPER BOWL interview with 404 because the Indonesian started getting pissy about it and THE FOLKS shouldn't have to see the "populist historian" being confrontational.

boatbuilder, Esq., Lord of All He Surveys

jimmyk. I have to confess that I don't understand Twitter, but if those...ummm...tweets (?) are real then he has jumped the shark. I am surprised. I thought he would self-destruct at some point but I would have thought this was beneath him.

daddy

There is actually full throttle racism and over the top lying and that is just the conservative types.

JiB,

Schnitt of the Schnitt show should have been hung today, and he pretends he's a Conservative. Had to listen to that b**tard on the dog walk. He cares about nothing but elevating his personal ratings.

narciso

here's a more contemporaneous ad

https://twitter.com/morgenr/status/662725553414279172

It's a rad, rad, rad, rad world

Yeah, JiB, the odor rises from the mob. I expect black people to be watching, in living color.

Heh, EB, what's 'neuropsychological engineering for a collectivist political purpose' gonna do with that?

Oh, you mean that kind of 'collecting'. No one said anything at all about that, the deniers.

Jack is Back!

Trump is dead man walking but he doesn't know it yet. His punking Carson is a new low for a creepy jerk like him. Is Anerica really ready to elect a loud mouthed New York liberal who would take your Grandma's house in nano second to build a mall? I don't think so.

narciso

ah Schnitt, another top man wannabe, that infest Clear Channel like remora,

The Infamous Ignatz

Trump's issue has always been expanding his appeal beyond the true believers. By attacking the MFM and DC he was possibly doing so.
By attacking Carson based on what appear to be at best nit picky MFM stories he's seriously damaging his appeal outside his sTrumpets.

Jack is Back!

narc,

Schnitt is now here in NYC on WOR with Len Berman in the morning. Where are you going?

MaryD

JiB --from your lips to God's ears

narciso

we were cursed with him in South Florida, when he was based out of Tampa, the question I asked on the other thread, where an up and coming engineer for British Airways likely to live,

daddy

Narciso,

I posted a thank you for digging up that ad, but now I can't find it so let me say it again. Thanks, thanks, thanks. TM ain't paying you enough.

Jack is Back!

Schnitt means well in a New York sort of way but is always confused about message. I give him credit for being my morning imbecile that I can both laguh at and agree with depending on what he says.

Isn't that the way it works?

Threadkiller

I agree on the Trump assessment.

Unless he is holding a phenomenal amount of dirt on Carson, there is no wiggle room for what I believe I heard him say on O'Reilly.

Tuned in late but it sounded like Trump said Carson may be "pathological."

henry

Well, Belling got hung up on the "scholarship" thing here... but has no clue on academy recruiting in the 60s. The rest of Milwaukee media will be worse (they are cheerleaders for the GAB and DAs when not actively conspiring with them). They will serve a local stringers for the MSM for the next debate. Maybe Trump will back the stupid Trolley when talking to the local press... they will push him on that.

Sue

Our local newspaper needs to learn that Westpoint doesn't offer scholarships. Every year the headline says x amount of scholarship money to x number of graduating seniors. Westpoint "not scholarsips" are included in the tally.

narciso

he'll probably blame the intern, as usual,

Jack is Back!

If anyone is pathological its Trump.

He has been nothing but a disaster for anyone who has ever invested or partnerned with him for 20 years. I will give you the doubt why people would do that if they knew his business behavior and performance but he is what he is. A complete buffoon and bullshit artist, nonpareil.

He sounds great about America and bringing it back but he is a doofus in terms of trade, you give this guy the keys to the car then you will get back a wreck.

Captain Hate on the iPad

Welp, I guess we're down to Carson and Cruz for the outsiders.

Jack is Back!

off to bed. Slaap lekker, tots morgen.

For the record. If you believe a full ride appointment to the service academies is not a "scholarship" then I suggest you invest in a course in semantics. Tell me what it is if not a scholarship and if you disagree, what is the semantic difference?

daddy

In light of Narciso's 08:07 posted above about the West Point ad stating the following:

"Each year about 1200 young men and women take advantage of the opportunity to tend West Point on a full government Scholarship, which includes tuition, room and board, medical and dental care, and an annual salary.

I now post Bill O'Reilly 5 minutes ago talking to Ben Carson:

O'Reilly: "I don't know whether you know this or not but there are no Scholarships to West Point. It's all Free Tuition. You get an appointment from a Congressman or a Congresswoman and that's how you get it.

So can we now call Bill O'Reilly a liar, or do we call West Point a liar?

I think I'm now moving to TM's latest thread.

Threadkiller

I'm glad Carson is a birther sympathizer. It will make the shift away from Trump easier, should that be necessary.

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