Saving Mental Health, And Lives

Aside from the glaring VoxFail belabored earlier ("HERE WE GO AGAIN", in an earlier post) this Michelle Hackman piece on the mental health bill put up by Rep. Tim Murphy (R-PA), "the only clinical psychologist in Congress" is very helpful.

According to Mother Jones’s ongoing tracker, 43 of the 99 mass shooters they’ve tracked definitely have a history of mental illness, and nine more potentially did as well. If we want to tackle one potential solution to stopping more mass shootings in the United States, it makes sense to look at how to increase access to treatment for mental illness.

That is roughly half of mass shooters, including, in my mental list, most of the famous ones. In fact, as I think of Newtown, the Aurora cinema, Planned Parenthood, the Charleston Church, Gabby Gifford, the first Ft. Hood, or (obviously) San Bernardino, I am wondering how so many were not clear cases of mental illness. Things to do...

Comments

[PDinDetroit]

First?

[PDinDetroit]

First?

[rse]

And second

[Threadkiller]

I wonder how many were not clear cases of Democrats gone wild

[PDinDetroit]

I have a very bad feeling something is terribly wrong...

[Beasts of England]

Expand on that, please, PD.

[Threadkiller]

Adam Housley is saying GoPro packaging was found in the car.

[glasater]

Whoa, Loretta Lynch was by Comey's side to make sure he didn't get 'too carried away' when commenting on SB.

[henry]

How many jihadis were the FBI tracking? 200?

[Thomas Collins]

I don't know what PD meant, but what I think is wrong is that the so-called sleeper cells will be awakening throughout the country while (i) our POTUS pushes air taxes, massive subsidies for windmills and solar panels, and flooding the US with more Religion of Peace "refugees", (ii) our immigration vetting authorities will vet as they did the San Bernardino female jihadist, and (iii) our AG concentrates on prosecuting people who raise their voice against jihadism.

[Thomas Collins]

Oh, and firearms confiscation. But that is a constant refrain no matter what type of murderous rampage occurs.

[maryrose]

Glasater
We can't have Comey going rogue and veering off the reservation or plantation

[Marlene]

I just turned on the TV, I can't believe the reporters were in the apartment. That apartment didn't look like a crime scene that had been cleared. This is very bizarre.

[maryrose]

Marlene
Agreed
Same carelessness in Benghazi as Jimmyk has stated

[maryrose]

Marlene
Agreed
Same carelessness in Benghazi as Jimmyk has stated

[Thomas Collins]

So, which of the POTUS candidates is best equipped to deal with tougher immigration control, the jihadists already here, and what needs to be done in the Middle East? Here's my ranking:

1. Christie

2. Fiorina

3. Cruz

4. Rubio

5. Trump

6. Bush

Is Christie so superior on this score that it's worth supporting a RINO? I think it's a tough question. Of course, for those who think Cruz is the best on this score, it's an easier decision.

[maryrose]

I think Obama cringes every time Muslims reek havoc in America
Cavuto says Obama wants to dial back Comey on terrorism
Caviuto agrees with us
Ashcroft is not as sure

[maryrose]

Ashcroft says they both should be in sync on their efforts to combat terrorism
Hard to do when Bammy has no interest or motivation to do so

[Beasts of England]

Thanks, TC - my presumption, as well. If there's anything positive that can come out of this terrorist attack it's that the libertarian and conservative sites I read are truly enraged at the mendacity of this administration and their media fluffers. They're also done with the muzzie mitigation scheme of 'most are good' and have moved to 'they better fix it or we will'.

The leftard sites have come completely unglued. They know that they'll have to defend the 10,000+ 'migrants' that their moronic leaders are on record as demanding. They're toast. And if the lose the presidency, they're completely irrelevant for the first time in generations. It's really ugly for them. As it should be. Fuckers.

[Old Lurker]

You are WAY to trusting of Christie TC.

And I would have Trump over Rubio and Bush both; Rubio & Bush must at the end of the list.

[Threadkiller]

1. Trump
2. Cruz
3. Fiorina
4. Christie
5. Bush/Rubio

[Threadkiller]

What OL said.

[maryrose]

TC
I agree with your rankings
I will vote for whomever is the toughest on terrorism
Ashcroft disses Obama
Love it

[Old Lurker]

So I would have Cruz & Carly as my ticket.

I would place Rubio and Bush at the bottom, just below Christie.

Trump can own the middle slot.

:-)

[Old Lurker]

So I would have Cruz & Carly as my ticket.

I would place Rubio and Bush at the bottom, just below Christie.

Trump can own the middle slot.

:-)

[Old Lurker]

Trump can share that bench with Carson...

[James D.]

From OL on the previous thread:

I assume he is rotten unless and until he proves me wrong. I save a lot of time not reserving judgement on all government overlords.

Truer words were never spoken.

[Old Lurker]

test

[Thomas Collins]

I think a lot of voters are going to agree with you and make that the overriding factor, maryrose. OL and TK, Christie just made a strong statement on how Muslims here would welcome tougher immigration enforcement. I think he went out of his way to swat down the argument that tougher immigration enforcement will be anti-Muslim. Plus, as a former federal prosecutor and current Guv of NJ, I think Christie has more experience than the others on this issue. Trump is the one I don't trust on this. He lost me in the second debate when he continued with his "deport them all and take applications" mantra. Just is not going to happen. Christie is the one most likely to view illegals here in the context of who is the greatest threat. If Trump adjusts his nonsensical rhetoric and begins addressing illegals in the context of jihad, I'll reconsider.

[Threadkiller]

What if Trump said deport the criminals first? Is that possible?

[Threadkiller]

http://www.barstoolsports.com/iowa/reporter-swipes-a-popsicle-while-going-through-the-apartment-of-the-san-bernadino-shooters/

[boris]

If 2016 goes Republican POTUS the Alinsky radicals will reluctantly turn to entrenching their advances made under Obumster. They will see the light and "recognize" the benefits of compromise, comity, and bipartisanship.

Christie, Jeb, Kasich would welcome them with open arms, hugs, and kisses.

Probably master negotiator Trump too.
Even Rubio.

Fiorina and Cruz ... maybe not.

[Thomas Collins]

TK, I still think it's overbroad. The next POTUS needs to set a strong tone that dealing with the overall illegals problem comes after the sleeper/awake cells are rooted out. For example, I would have my DHS and FBI heads tell people in the field that if an illegal gives them good info on a jihadist cell, the DHS and FBI people in the field would go easy on them. Stereotype alert! If Paddy is an Irish illegal working in a bar and taking book on the side, he just isn't a priority with me. I'll deal with him later. Now, if I suspect he's in a money laundering operation for jihadists, I'd put the squeeze on him. The only reason I am not putting Trump last on this issue is because I really believe he is smarter than his rhetoric.

[Thomas Collins]

Not on this issue, boris. Christie will be RINO on entitlement reform, but I think he understands the jihadist threat, and has way more experience than the others in dealing with it.

[Old Lurker]

And Boris, on that "maybe" we are betting the ranch since you are dead right about the others.

[Threadkiller]

I think it is part of the negotiating style pointed out a while ago on these pages, TC.

Trump has to start at the outlandish to secure a deal in the middle. Everyone else is starting too close to amnesty.

[Old Lurker]

But TC, it is a multi front war and a loss on Rino Entitlements and NJ style finance will kill us as surely as the Muslims will.

[Thomas Collins]

I appreciate that argument, TK. But for me, it's time for the bluster to end. Remember that Christie is also a bluster guy, but not on this issue.

Of course, there is the argument that Trump or Cruz is savvy enough to appoint a Christie type as jihadist czar. But I think having the most experienced guy on this issue as POTUS carries a lot of weight for me.

[PDinDetroit]

TC - I am sure that I will have to defend myself, my family, my friends, my country, etc. I rue that day as I will have to become someone that I do not want to be and will have to stand before Almighty God someday to explain my actions. I try my level best to "be at peace with all those around me" (Romans 12:18), but that will not be possible for too much longer.

At one time, I would have welcomed that day but I have changed to the point that I no longer recognize that person.

[Old Lurker]

Go back to the other thread and see Jane's post about Comey at the bottom.

More popcorn, please.

[Thomas Collins]

Yes, OL, that's the dilemma (which one doesn't have if one disagrees with me on Christie's heft on this issue (I know, I'm making fun of Christie's bulk, but I try to keep a sense of humor even when discussing a serious subject)). But on balance, I think the jihadist threat trumps (there I go again) the entitlement concern about Christie.

[Thomas Collins]

Yes, OL, that's the dilemma (which one doesn't have if one disagrees with me on Christie's heft on this issue (I know, I'm making fun of Christie's bulk, but I try to keep a sense of humor even when discussing a serious subject)). But on balance, I think the jihadist threat trumps (there I go again) the entitlement concern about Christie.

[Thomas Collins]

PD, I've followed your posts here pretty carefully, although I don't necessarily comment on all of them. You're among the people here I would think most likely to be able to keep the swords turned into ploughshares internally while dealing with an external threat forcefully.

[boris]

IMO illegals and jihadis are cats paws of Alinsky radicals to provoke reactions they can exploit for years and years no matter who wins elections.

Enough poison is already in the system and there is no way to deal with it the radicals can't exploit.

Dealing with the exploiters needs to happen first.

[FTL]

All this talk about next year's elections is whistling past the graveyard.

I don't think the federal government as we know it makes it through the next six months.

There is no possible reconciliation between people who trust their lying eyes' telling them that ISIS did their jihading the other day in San Bernardino and the enemies withing who are doing their damnedest to pretend like it was something else.

This will come to a head soon. Pick a side.

[Rick Ballard]

Boris,

+1000. Raqqa and Mosul are both fairly well invested and food will be running out by the end of December with the Turks "oil for wheat" program grinding to a halt. There is already an uptick in bleeding heart bullshit from the usual suspects and IS will lift its iron curtain at the point where loosing another 1 million refugees will do the most damage - and elicit sobs of sympathy from the braindead Muddle.

It's really difficult to discern what will be on what passes for the Muddle's mind come November but "callous disregard of the plight of Mahometans on the part of the heartless GOP" will be served daily by the MFM lice for the foreseeable future.

[boris]

Ya think?

[lyle]

Boris puts into words my nagging suspicions as well. The Alynskis feverishly WANT a muzzie to die at the hand of a private citizen protecting himself or his loved ones in this country. When it happens, expect said citizen to be flayed by a battalion of pro bono legal types. Mark my word. Ugh.

[glasater]

Amen, Boris.

[lyle]

Well, it will LOOK like pro bono but they'll be remunerated by some Soros-backed foundation.

[Skoot]

In other news, the defense for Ofc. Porter in Baltimore seems to be, blame, if any, lies with other officers. Since all separate trials, no conspiracy, one by one officers will blame the others. Sounds like a pretty good strategy.

[anonamom]

Christie can be AG. That's where he'll be most effective, and won't be able to get kissy face with the Ds.

Cruz/Fiorina and AG Christie is my ticket today.

Not that I disagree with FTL--could well be an armed revolt of the citizens of the red states by next summer. As noted by BIL on FB--conservatives own 200+ million guns and have 12 trillion rounds of ammo--THANK GOD.

[henry]

Plus live where the food is anonamom. Logistics...

[Marlene]

This press conference with the family lawyers is strange. Jihad Mom was just a housewife with a six month old baby.

[henry]

Now from the MSM dog eggs. Found at apartment. (ht lurking one)

[Miss Marple 2]

This bizarre press conference made me head for the wine bottle.

And if the attorney says "Catholics bombing abortion clinics" which I cannot think of ONE EXAMPLE, I will lose it.

[Jack is Back! (On Alert!)]

Christie is more BS than experience. Before he was appointed a US Attorney he never tried a criminal case. The only post 911 terror case he did is the Ft. Dix guys in 2007 (?). He is a pompous ass from New Jersey.Enug said.

For Conservatives and national security voters he would be a disaster.

[NK]

TC-- I agree with your list.

[rse]

lyle-the Open Society Foundation is listed as on one of the working groups of the social impact investing vision for the government-Business alliance. The US version only, which actually came first and ties also to GS and JP Morgan, involves the sponsorship of SEDF--Soros Economic Development post.

Ready for Hillary also involved.

[NK]

TK-- with all possible modesty and affection for you, I point out to you that OL and I have 60+ years of regional real estate experience and we have come to the conclusion that Trump is a con man angling for himself, and is feeding voters a line that they crave to hear. Are you feeling us here?

[lyle]

Not surprised in the least, Robin.

[rse]

Here is a link. http://www.socialimpactinvestment.org/reports/US%20REPORT%20FINAL%20250614.pdf

[FTL]

Not that I disagree with FTL--could well be an armed revolt of the citizens of the red states by next summer.

I don't necessarily mean an armed revolt. A loss of faith is more than enough. The big unknown is what that means for day-to-day lives.

How hard will I clap now that Mary Martin has drank the poison? Sorry about your mom, Major Nelson, but I'm thinking it's a little past her time.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

It does help me to rest easier knowing Jihad Sayed's brother was in the Navy.
Almost as much as knowing Nidal Hassan was a Major in the Army when he shot all those people.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Christie is a big mouth.
I have yet to meet a trustworthy bigmouth.

[NK]

I think he would fit the bill quite nicely as AG. But there are plenty of other options.

[Miss Marple 2]

The Five is going nuts over that press conference.

[Rick Ballard]

NK,

Don't forget - Trump is a natural born citizen of the United States, just like Syed Farook, and is therefore completely free of any suspicion regarding divided loyalty.

That's very, very, very, very, very important.

[rse]

On the global group, bo's Office of Social Innovation & Civic Participation in the person of Jonathan Greenblatt was an observer to the "Impact Measurement Working Group."

That office was created by the co-founder now of the results 4 America I linked to.

Josh Gotbaum from the Pension benefit Guaranty Corporation was in the "Asset Allocation Working Group."

This new vision of government by moneyball is so destructive and Congress sees it as a way to get dollars to localities.

[rse]

On the global group, bo's Office of Social Innovation & Civic Participation in the person of Jonathan Greenblatt was an observer to the "Impact Measurement Working Group."

That office was created by the co-founder now of the results 4 America I linked to.

Josh Gotbaum from the Pension benefit Guaranty Corporation was in the "Asset Allocation Working Group."

This new vision of government by moneyball is so destructive and Congress sees it as a way to get dollars to localities.

[NK]

RickB-- I am in a great mood over my wife's negative result, so let's keep the snark to a minimumish level.

[Miss Marple 2]

TC,

Disagree with your list. I cannot escape Christie sucking up to that mosque.

My thinking on this is that the best for terror would actually Graham, but since he is a doofus in all else he hasn't a chance.

Therefore, I think Cruz, Fiorina, and Trump. Maybe Rubio but that is a very qualified maybe.

I will say that the people in real estate and their opinions on Trump I take seriously. However, the general public is behind Trump, as I pointed out in that Politico article this morning.

[lyle]

If sarcasm could drip pixels, Ig's 5:48 would create quite the cyber mess.

[NK]

MM-- IMO the voter polling on the 'Trump' issues will push pols like Rubio and Christie to do the right thing. I view Cruz and Carly as reliable to be righteous because they actually believe it.

[rse]

I am going to repost today's post if you do not mind. I know just how incendiary this agenda is in an age where the fundamental transformation want outtrumps the historic Watchman state function.

http://www.invisibleserfscollar.com/greed-as-the-driver-to-force-education-to-create-socially-engineered-human-beings-under-federal-law/

[NK]

Is it really 'snark' if it's completely true?

[rse]

http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20130401151715/http://www.education.gov.uk/publications/eOrderingDownload/DCSF-00598-2007.pdf">http://www.education.gov.uk/publications/eOrderingDownload/DCSF-00598-2007.pdf">http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20130401151715/http://www.education.gov.uk/publications/eOrderingDownload/DCSF-00598-2007.pdf

On the schools duty to promote community cohesion by law. When I hear bo and loretta lynch this gaga on rhetoric is precisely what they want here.

[Murphy Audi]

So many of our laws were written assuming that the POTUS was reasonable, acting in good faith and generally pro-America, an assumption that no longer obtains.

That's why this gun-banning president might simply place all NRA members on a no-fly, mental health or terrorist watch list, just as the Daily News did to Wayne LaPierre today.

[NK]

Why people hate lawyers reason #.....:

from ABC News 'family' say it's all a tissue of terrorism lies because:

Today lawyers for the Farook family cast doubt on the reports of the ISIS pledge and said that there hasn’t been any real evidence that the couple has any “extremist tendencies.”

“None of the family knew of him as being extreme, aggressive or having any extreme religious views,” one of the attorneys said.

The other noted that Malik was very soft-spoken and conservative -- so much that Farook's brothers never saw her face, due to the full burqa she always wore in public."

Traveled to Saudi Arabia to marry a Burqa wearing woman, nothing whatever 'extreme' there... oh and slaugtering 14 and trying to murder 1st responders with pipe bombs nothing extreme there. C&^#suckers.

[anonamom]

Watching Rubio's Radical Islamic terrorist commercial.

"Either they win, or we do."

That's how I see it too.

[NK]

We have another Light Bringer, the Donald's Med records are 'perfect'. But we knew that already didn't we. He has lost weight, he looks good. http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-12-04/trump-says-he-ll-release-medical-records-next-week

[windansea]

The family lawyers are ridiculous

The police have video of the chase, with innocent houswife Malik firing 80 rounds from the rear of the Expedition, from which she crawled riddled with bullets to die in a pool of blood at the curb.

not a terrorist though!

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Somebody found a picture of the miserable bitch.
After it was posted some Al Jazeera camel humper said it was "disrespectful" to show her face without her hajib or burkha or jib jab or whatever it's called.
You wanna see disrespectful.....

[henry]

How much respect is due a murdering jihadess? A moment of silence while peeing on her grave, or less?

[Janet]

So many of our laws were written assuming that the POTUS was reasonable, acting in good faith and generally pro-America, an assumption that no longer obtains.

That's why this gun-banning president might simply place all NRA members on a no-fly, mental health or terrorist watch list, just as the Daily News did to Wayne LaPierre today.

True.

[anonamom]

She wasn't wearing her burqua when she shot up the room.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

If she had nothing to do with Islam why would it be disrespectful anyway?
She's just some kafir, right Barry? Val?

[NK]

No Burqa at the scene that is a very good point. It is consistent with the Jihadis throwing the Quran out the window just before and during Jihad, as the Jihad gets them a free pass to paradise without judgment of the rest of their lives. She could dump the Burqa for mass murder; she was Jihadi, no question.

[buccaneer morgan]

No she was the ewuivalent of a balaclava, I respect to a degree those who have pledged to kill me.

[NK]

This morning we were discussing Prog idiocy about firearms:

http://hotair.com/archives/2015/12/04/california-congresswoman-multi-automatic-round-weapons-are-easily-available-you-know/

[buccaneer morgan]

But this mouthpiece is something else entirely.

[NK]

and BTW-- seeing that photo, I'm kinda feeling Farook's anger issues here. ... too soon? I'll see myself out.

[Miss Marple 2]

From Twitter:

[Ann]

Typical Muslim housewife

[Miss Marple 2]

I think she came to the US to get that thing removed from the end of her nose.

Meow.

[Miss Marple 2]

I think she came to the US to get that thing removed from the end of her nose.

Meow.

[henry]

As female as Caitlyn.

[Jane]

As I understand it, a decade or two ago, the democrats decided that parents could not force their children into treatment after the age of 18. Thus if kid had problems, and was not confined before that, they were out of luck. I have a friend this applied to.

Amy worked in a group home before she went to law school and was adamant about parents getting a guardianship before that birthday. My guess in all these case of young mentally ill men, the parent's hands were tied.

[caro]

Was her passport photo in a burqa? No drivers license photo? Why no photo of "Bonnie"?

Whoa, I just wrote that and there she is on Greta.

[Jane]

Sorry for being on - topic.

SO what is your #1 issue in this election? Terrorism? Immigration? The economy?

Something else? And who is the best on that issue?

Mine is terrorism, and I actually think Rubio is best on that.