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January 14, 2016

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Jack is Back (but On Alert)!

Yeah, MM, another victim of Same-Sex Marriage. My grandfather, who was the senior warden of St. John's just around the corner from me, would be apoplectic to say the least as to the descent into irrelevance that the Episcopal Church in America has sunk.

I forgot OL has already noted that. Wait until he reads that article. The ledge is going to need a bigger wine room.

narciso

have they ever done that before, with an entire protestant denomination?

narciso

well the latter, and he is still quite clueless,

http://reformclub.blogspot.ie/2016/01/is-it-constitution-which-evolves-or.html

Rick Ballard

Here's very good WaPo assessment of Clinton's current trajectory.

I hope Comey holds off on a referral to JustUs for a few more weeks.

jimmyk

Filing deadlines for the primaries in 31 states will have passed in on January 31. The Torricelli maneuver doesn't appear particularly feasible for Red Squaw or SloJo.

The talking heads on Fox keep saying that the Dems can change the rules whenever they want, at least as far as deciding on who can be the nominee. I presume that means that if Hillary is indicted and they don't want Sanders, they can make rules that allow them to pick Warren or Biden or Jerry Brown, regardless of deadlines.

Jeff Dobbs

Eh, took a quick look at the latest CBS/NYT poll. Top line, Trump 36 Cruz 19.

Add in second choice and it goes to Trump 47 Cruz 39. Cruz gains ground, but Trump getting close to the 50 percent mark.

35% said they've made up their minds - 64% said it's too early.

When asked if they would support each if the nominee was...

Trump
Enthusiastically 40
With Reservations 31
Just because he's the nominee 9
Wouldn't support 18

Cruz
Enthusiastically 37
With Reservations 25
Just because he's the nominee 18
Wouldn't support 16

Trump has more enthusiasm, but loses more to the "wouldn't support" group, but just barely.

On the Dem side....
Hillary 48 Bernie 41

56% said they've made up their minds, 44% said too early.

When asked if they would support each if the nominee was...

Hillary
Enthusiastically 41
With Reservations 26
Just because he's the nominee 16
Wouldn't support 14

Bernie
Enthusiastically 40
With Reservations 31
Just because he's the nominee 19
Wouldn't support 8

There's no real Feelin' the Bern here in terms of an enthusiasm gap...but the avowed socialist would lose fewer Democrats than Hillary would.

Oh and Bill Clinton only has a 39% approval rating. That's the lowest since July 2000. His disapproval is only 29% (way lower than 2000) - the change is that 16% say they don't know or don't have enough info (compared with 1% this time in 2012). Millenials? Self-induced amnesia?

Old Lurker

It's the Dems, Rick.

There are no rules, silly.

Dave (in MA)

Jeff Dobbs | January 14, 2016 at 01:23 PM, I like his 'toons when I happen to run across them, but his blog is a bunch of TL;DR nonsense IMO.

Old Lurker

JiB, As the Episcopal Church USA slides into oblivion, I read yesterday that the Church of England has dropped well below 1M members for the first time since it was established, only something like 700k of whom actually, you know, go to church. As a % of the population, think about that!

Threadkiller

http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/the-buzz-florida-politics/rubio-seeks-to-dismiss-court-challenge-to-his-eligibility-to-be-president/2261269

Miss Marple

FYI,

Fiorina on TV going after Trump. I get the feeling she will go after him in the debate tonight, which will be sort of stupid since he won't be on the stage with her.

All signals are that the GOPe is in DefCon 1, Code Red and are going to pull out all the stops over the next few days.

So far, we have had Haley's attack during the SOTU and the double-down interview on the Today Show, Wehner's column, Wehner's column discussed on Fox, Fiorina going after him on Fox, hints the debate might have some attacks, Jeb hinting he will get his brother to campaign with him, and probably more stuff I've missed.

Sounds to me like they are in full-blown panic.

Pity.

narciso

when will they learn none of that matters, specially when there are real issues at stake,
12 past never I guess,

http://hotair.com/archives/2016/01/14/shocker-msnbcs-ed-schultz-joins-russia-today/

filling the three scoops of crazy quota,

Sandy Daze
(carrying over from last thread)

Thanks Mr. Daze.

I'm not questioning the capability of the boats and personnel to make the trip. I'm wondering why.

A freedom of navigation point can be made with say, a frigate, no? Why small craft?

Posted by: Another Bob | January 14, 2016 at 01:26 PM

Not to be flip, AB, but why did the chicken cross the road? The repositioning from one location to another could be for any one of several reasons, including but not limited to:
1) exercise at the other location
2) heightened threat at other location for which the senior naval commander directed (ordered) a deployment (surge)
3) navigation training
4) redeployment to home base after 1, 2, or 3
etc

~~~~~~~~

The Soviet Navy and now the Russian Navy had/has a philosophy of being "ready to go to sea" which means that Sov/Russian ships mainly stay in port or at anchorage, because when underweigh, bad things can happen, the ship can have mechanical casualties from use, and thus more support is required (fuel, repair, etc). In contrast, the USN operating philosophy has alway been that a Navy should be at sea and that the only way to be certain of being ready when needed is to be at sea constantly. So, the USN likes to deploy. That these boats would be underweigh is not at all unusual nor unprecedented or something 'spooky' (I know you did not suggest that.) Being at sea, operating, is what the Navy does.

We do not know why these boats made the transit. It may have been a FONOP. But, as mentioned earlier, the PG is a very constrained space. Operating there is more a matter of avoidance than challenge due to the many littoral sensitivities and multitude of craft. And please don't get me started on the large number of dhows engaged in all forms of smuggling between all the parties involved.


Yes, there might be a frigate that could/would/should make the same trip. But the boats need to make such trips too. A transit like this one--absent capture by the enemy--is nothing more than routine, happens regularly, and you would never have heard of it. (Have you ever heard of such a trip previously?) Simply, routine naval maneuvers.

What is not/NOT/NOT routine is genuflecting at the feet of iranian goat-bugger-ers. YGBSM.

Thomas Collins

So the 49ers dumped Harbaugh because he was too much of a control freak, and they have now hired Kelly? Perhaps the Niners have decided that there are worse things than control freakery in a coach.

narciso

superlatives, sometimes don't work, specially when you're speaking of rupert pupkin,


http://twitchy.com/2016/01/14/justice-don-willett-spots-cnn-trump-story-that-proves-were-living-in-the-golden-age-of-journalism-photo/

narciso

there really is no logic to anything they do, is there. Don Tomassino,

Art in Newport

.. Sounds to me like they are in full-blown panic ..

Like the Clinton campaign. They now have Chelsea attacking Bernie, saying that he is going to take away everyone's healthcare. Other dems incredulous. Story at AoSHQ.

narciso

so it's like that Colorado River deal, why does Gina hate Blue States so much,


http://dailycaller.com/2016/01/14/epa-knew-about-michigan-water-contamination-for-months-without-telling-the-public/

narciso

well maybe you should inform your rulers about that,


http://moelane.com/2016/01/13/quote-of-the-day-i-dont-think-black-gun-owners-should-give-them-up-either-edition/

Gus

OL, of course there are rules. For us.

Rick Ballard

I'm well aware of the Fascist Politburo's ability to change convention rules to suit its needs but that does not include the ability to change statutory filing deadlines for certification purposes. The performing seals in Blue Hell legislatures under Fascist control such as New Jersey could try (would Christie veto?) but getting a name on the primary ballot in Ohio or Virginia would be problematic.

Iliza

"...when my then Marine SIL visited Nantucket"

I once knew a man from Nantucket.

narciso

I sometimes marvel at how a decision by the City leaders of Flint, who michael moore once had a part in, make a decision like that, and the wurlitzer's echo is blame the Governor, who has nothing to do with it,

Miss Marple

Art,

Enjoyed reading that AOSHQ thread.

Down in the comments I saw something which spiked mu interest level:

Poster said he thinks an illegal won the Powerball in California.

If so, I think that would be worth another 10 points to Trump.

Miss Marple

Rick,

You are assuming that you have to have primary elections in order to choose a nominee.

The dems can simply amend the rules of their nominating process and do the entire nomination from the floor, like they used to do before all of this icky primary stuff came into vogue.

Rick Ballard

"I'm well aware of the Fascist Politburo's ability to change convention rules to suit its needs"

Lacking in clarity? I'll search for shorter words. Filing deadlines are governed by state statute.

Jeff Dobbs

https://twitter.com/SethAMandel/status/687636915907084288

Seth Mandel
‏@SethAMandel Seth Mandel Retweeted Tom Cotton
The things that Sarah Palin didn't say but ppl think she did--Pelosi actually says those things.


Tom Cotton @SenTomCotton
.@NancyPelosi says she’s “been to Bahrain & looked right across the Persian Gulf to Iran. Everything is very close.”

narciso

I know this seems like a surprise at Al ghuardian,


http://www.dailywire.com/news/2614/woman-hijab-went-donald-trump-rally-what-happened-hank-berrien

narciso

did she draft the contract clauses as sloppily as this column:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2016/01/14/10-reasons-that-goldman-sachs-loan-is-a-nightmare-for-ted-cruz/?tid=pm_opinions_pop_b

daddy

Good Morning.

I find this completely unsurprising and totally predictable: Hitler's Mein Kampf sells out instantly after being published in Germany for first time in 70 years

Demand for the 2,000-page annotated version of the inflammatory text that hit bookstores on January 8 massively exceeded supply, with 15,000 advance orders for an initial print run of just 4,000 copies.

If they made it available as a cheap paperback mass edition it'd be the highest selling book in Germany for 2016.

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

Norway's oil wells underwater in more ways than one.
The very concept of sovereign wealth funds seems a very, very bad one to me.

Gus

Yes Pelosi looked across San Francisco Bay and saw Long Beach. IT'S VERY CLOSE!!

narciso

quite nearly as absurd, but not quite,

narciso

deputy dreyfus is one the case, these are not the philly droids you're looking for,

daddy

And this also makes me wonder why we have a massive Federal push on to create driverless cars which will naturally create a generation who have no idea how to drive: Department of Transportation: Pilots Are Forgetting How to Fly Manually

with fly-by-wire systems and increasingly competent autopilot, planes more or less fly themselves most of the time. And while that can be great—both for lazy pilots and for safety—it's got the Department of Transportation a little worried. It's afraid pilots don't actually know how to fly anymore.

Old Lurker

Daddy I was waiting to hear your thoughts on that story.

Makes sense to me.

narciso

eloi are not born, they are trained to react that way,

narciso

I mean with the markets doing a bungi jump, sans cord, and fires from Jakarta to Istambul, are they going to go for the same gotcha tactics,

Art in Newport

..he thinks an illegal won the Powerball in California ..

MM: There is the guy who claimed he won and posted a selfie of himself and his ticket; but that's been exposed as a photoshop.

Haven't heard about the 'illegal alien' winner... wouldn't that be something .. !

daddy

I wonder if an illegal won the lottery if he could make a case that he should not be required to pay US taxes on his winnings like US citizens have to.

I have no idea if such a case could be made, but with a cool half a billion in his/her pocket, I think it'd be worth blowing a million or 2 on some Immigration type Lawyers to search for potential Legal loopholes.

Miss Marple

daddy,

Yep. And if all of that money was heading to Mexico, I bet the Mexican government would chime in, too.

Sandy Daze

Two words:

Sandy Daze

Smart power.

daddy

Like the Clinton campaign. They now have Chelsea attacking Bernie, saying that he is going to take away everyone's healthcare. Other dems incredulous. Story at AoSHQ.

From those comments:

Just heard Rush talking about this. He said some dems are concerned that Hillary is misusing her daughter's talents. Then he rightly asked, what are Chelsea's talents?

Ha! MegaDitto's, Maha Rushie:)

Art in Newport

I can hear Trump now: "Do you know how many miles of wall we could build with that kind of money?"

daddy

I think for Hillary to send this gal out to publicly criticize anybody about anything is one of the stupidest political moves ever made.


Now she's "Fair Game," and boy is she an inviting target.

Thomas Collins

It's a smart move to have Chelsea out front and have Bill in the background raising money. As far as whether it's a good idea to have Chelsea go negative, The Hill now realizes that Comrade Sanders is not going to be part of a Hill coronation, so I can see going negative.

PDinDetroit

On the 1/6/2016 $500M PowerBall, I missed winning by single number (got 4 + PowerBall). If I had won in any other State than California, I would have won $50K but California is a "variable win" lottery so I only won $21,307 (I know "only"). It should be about $15K after taxes, which will likely be used for a house project (Windows are likely the priority).

Missed it by that much!

lyle

I dunno, I find the Howdy Doodie Dominatrix kind of...hot. ;)

Old Lurker

Go to your room, Lyle.

pagar a bacon, ham and sausage supporter

" whose wealth accumulation tactics might not hold up to the strictest of scrutiny?"

These words can be used together without the word Clintons in the sentence?

Unbelievable!

Art in Newport

TC: Right; Sanders & Co are suddenly realizing that they have a real shot at winning the nomination. And Hillary now recognizes Bernie as a genuine threat.

But saying he's going to take away everyone's healthcare, when everyone knows he wants to bring in single payer... I don't know how they think that will sell.

Dave (in MA)

This would have to be the funniest non-Pelosi political story I've seen today.
http://www.boston.com/news/local/rhode-island/2016/01/14/cranston-official-resigns-after-allegedly-disguising-man-elderly-woman-for-photo/w4u0pWbFihUc1VF48dOUvN/story.html?p1=feature_sec_hp

Jane

PD, I got the first 2 numbers and the next 3 were 1 number off. How rude is that?

Miss Marple

Congratulations, PD!

PDinDetroit

Since you were seeking to have Jane's Island, quite rude!

Thanks MM!

I am glad I won only what I did. Practically no one has bothered me for anything...

Tee Vee

Who was your favorite celebrities from the Match Game TV show?

Mine were Joyce Bulifant and Charles Nelson Riley

PDinDetroit

Ice age delayed by humans... by 100,000 years

Good that we delayed and/or skipped an Ice Age, but still bad. Very, Very bad.

jimmyk

So if getting all but one number "only" gets you $50,000, or $21,000 or whatever, how did that college student win $1M yesterday? All five regular numbers but miss only the powerball number?

In any case, congrats PDinD, that's a nice haul.

As for the hypothetical illegal, I'm sure the money would be paid out net of taxes, so he'd need to actually win a court case to pry the rest of it out of the IRS.


jimmyk

narc @3:16, shocking that Jen Rubin is all a-quiver about Cruz.

Jack is Back (but On Alert)!

Mrs. JiB got within 70 miles of the winning number in Melbourne.

daddy,

Fy-by-wire is mostly commercial right? Don't the simulators project situations that require computer over-ride and manual aviation?

PDinDetroit

Yes, all 5 numbers but no PowerBall nets you $1M, $2M if PowerPlay is available and was bought for the ticket, and variable in California (1/6/2016 was $1.4M with only 1 winner).

One note of interest: California does not tax lottery winnings. Not sure how that slipped through their greedy fingers...

Jack is Back (but On Alert)!

Congrats, PD.

California prefers the upfront revenue of ticket buys and if the buyer knows it will be taxed equals less buyers and upfront revenue.

My guess.

Jack is Back (but On Alert)!

From the USNA-at-Large Forum:

USNA-At-Large: Dick - just as you feared! The officer who was the boat captain and was in the video apologizing is a USNA grad - 2011 - LT David Nartker - 27!

In saying the U.S. Government didn't apologize, apparently our V.P. believes that U.S. Naval officers aren't speaking for the U.S. Government. Tell that to a long line who have!

EXCERPTS:
LT Nartker:
"That was our fault and we apologize for our mistake." "The Iranian behavior was fantastic while we were here. We thank you very much for your hospitality and your assistance."

Cmdr. John Schofield, an Academy spokesman, said that specialized fleet training, such as that regarding capture, depends on fleet warfare designations.
(Ed: USNA doesn't teach the Code of Conduct anymore? I guess the Extra-Curricular activities used up the time allotted for that.)

"Training for those specific designations does not take place at commissioning accession sources like the Naval Academy," he said. "The Naval Academy trains and educates all of its students morally, mentally and physically to become officers of character and consequence."

Darlene Nartker said her son always wanted to be in the Navy.

"He's very proud of the United States and believes that the country needs to be defended by people who really care," she said.


http://www.capitalgazette.com/news/naval_academy/ph-ac-cn-david-nartker-navy-academy-apology-iran-0115-20160115-story.html

Christina Jedra - Capital Gazette - 15 Jan 15

Navy commander who was taken into custody by Iran with 10 other American sailors on Tuesday — and who appeared on a video apologizing for straying into Iranian waters — graduated from the U.S. Naval Academy in 2011, academy officials confirmed.

Lt. David Nartker, 27, and his fleet were detained after at least one of their vessels experienced mechanical problems near Farsi Island in the Persian Gulf, the AP reported. They were released Wednesday, less than a day after they were captured.

In a video that aired on Iranian TV, Nartker appears to express regret that two vessels sailed into Iranian territory.

"It was a mistake. That was our fault and we apologize for our mistake," Nartker said in the video. "It was a misunderstanding. We did not mean to go into Iranian territorial water. The Iranian behavior was fantastic while we were here. We thank you very much for your hospitality and your assistance."

The sailor's mother, Darlene Nartker, confirmed to The Capital that it was her son in the video. The Navy did not say it was Nartker in the video, the Chicago Tribune reported, but the Navy did confirm Thursday he is a boat captain of a Riverine Command Boat in the Gulf.

Nartker has been criticized for the apology, with some alleging he violated the military Code of Conduct. Article IV of the Code states: "When questioned, should I become a prisoner of war, I am required to give name, rank, service number and date of birth. I will evade answering further questions to the utmost of my ability. I will make no oral or written statements disloyal to my country and its allies or harmful to their cause."

Vice President Joe Biden told "CBS This Morning," said the U.S. government did not issue an apology.

"There's nothing to apologize for," Biden said. "When you have a problem with the boat, you apologize the boat had a problem? No, and there was no looking for any apology. This was just standard nautical practice."

The U.S. Central Command said: "The video appears to be authentic, but we cannot speak to the conditions of the situation or what the crew was experiencing at the time." It said the crew was undergoing "the redintegration process and we will continue to investigate this incident."

Iran's Revolutionary Guard released photos of the U.S. sailors before their release, showing them sitting on the floor of a room, the Tribune reported. The female sailor's hair was covered by a brown cloth.

State TV later released more video and photos of the Americans apparently surrendering on their knees, their hands behind their head, Tribune reported.

"After determining that their entry into Iran's territorial waters was not intentional, and their apology, the detained American sailors were released in international waters," the Guard said.

Nartker studied aerospace engineering while at the Naval Academy. Cmdr. John Schofield, an Academy spokesman, said that specialized fleet training, such as that regarding capture, depends on fleet warfare designations.

"Training for those specific designations does not take place at commissioning accession sources like the Naval Academy," he said. "The Naval Academy trains and educates all of its students morally, mentally and physically to become officers of character and consequence."

Darlene Nartker said her son always wanted to be in the Navy.

"He's very proud of the United States and believes that the country needs to be defended by people who really care," she said.

David Nartker grew up in Naperville, Illinois and excelled at private Catholic schools before his Naval Academy acceptance, his mother said.

"He takes responsibility very seriously," she said. "That's always been a characteristics of him."

U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry credited his personal relationship with Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif in easing the tension and said the result shows the "critical role diplomacy plays in keeping our country secure and strong."

Zarif tweeted Wednesday: "Happy to see dialog (sic) and respect, not threats and impetuousness, swiftly resolved the #sailors episode. Let's learn from this latest example."

Sue

Narciso,

Hans Gruber died. For real this time. ::sad face::

Jack is Back (but On Alert)!

Sue,

Mrs. JiB is inconsolable. Rickman was her favorite. But he will always be around for Christmas:)

Old Lurker

I wonder how soon after they were released they were forced to sign non disclosure agreements by the US Navy?

That is a serious question, BTW.

Janet

Alan Rickman -

from wiki - "My Name is Rachel Corrie is a play based on the diaries and emails of Rachel Corrie, edited by Alan Rickman, who directed it, and journalist Katharine Viner."

buccaneer morgan

Yes I heard, they were playing galaxy quest the other day.

rse

JIB-Red was saying over the holidays that people just do not understand when she says Die Hard is her favorite holiday movie.

When child actors who are now adults are as complimentary as Radcliffe and the actress who played hermione were today, you are a fine person and mentor.

Jack is Back (but On Alert)!

Rickman was a pussy leftist but he was a great actor.

Janet,

Just think about him falling to his death in Die Hard:)

rse,

Looking forward to meeting you in NYC. You like bay scallops, right? I am bring a couple of dozen for the chef to cook up for us.

Oh, sorry, I thought I has back in Singapore where they do that:)

Marlene

Alan Rickman was also in the movie "Bottle Shock", about a California wine winning a blind taste test in a competition against French wines. I'm guessing Dr.J enjoyed that movie!

Miss Marple

Here's something I'm glad I missed (review by Katherine Tmpf):

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/429773/hillary-clinton-lifetime-interview

rse

Yes I am looking forward to seeing everyone as well. I do adore scallops and my husband does not. One of those things then I do not cook at home and do like to eat out.

Shrimp, on the other hand, and crab cakes I have basically perfected at home.

Once about 20 years ago when I was in NYC on business with the CEO and COO, we stayed on CPS at the then Ritz. I got upgraded to a suite overlooking the park on maybe the 22nd floor or so and watched the sunset over Central Park. My boos was on the 4th floor and heard the taxis all night.

I joked that that kind of upgrade only happened because I was alone.

Sue

Janet,

I don't think of these people outside of their on camera persona. I just got lucky that Bruce Willis is a republican.

Jack is Back (but On Alert)!

rse,

The Ritz is still there.

Once we were walking in CP when it started to rain and rain like hell. So we made it down to the Garden souvineir shop and bought umbrellas and headed out to CPS and the Ritz where we had lunch with our Nigerian Prince MD and o=ur ex-Fashion model no fashion Photog
who we had called to come and get us.

We were wet and dripping and the management of the Ritz were perfectly accommodating even bringing us towels to use as we ordered lunch.

Great place.

We are at the Park Lane this time. Frederick skates at the Wollman rink in CP across the street.

DrJ

Marlene,

I haven't seen "Bottle Shock," but I sure know the underlying story. The results of that competition are one reason why much of CA Chardonnay is so full of oak and has a slightly syrupy feel.

Personally I don't care much for Chard, however it is vinted. I just don't care much for how it tastes.

maryd

wow, rse. Was that as wicked a crack as I think it was?

lyle

Bottle Shock was an okay movie. Rickman was good but Bill Pullman was miscast. I've been to Chateau Montelena winery a few times and have met Bo Barrett. Opening a bottle of their Chardonnay in a couple of hours, in a strange coincidence.

lyle

DrJ, Montelena's Chardonnay is way more Burgundian than most CA offerings. Not near as much oak and very little malo. Very pleasant.

DrJ

lyle,

That may be true today. If I recall the story properly -- and I might not -- the winning Chard back then essentially was a fermentation mistake to which they applied creative means to make something unique. It worked for the judges, and set the tone for much of what CA Chard became.

And no, I won't try the current Montelena Chard, and will defer to your experience.

Jack is Back (but On Alert)!

i love Chardonnay and it loves me.

My favorites are: Au Bon Climate, McRostie, Newton Unfiltered, Clos Pegase, Sonoma-Cuterrer and Logan.

Not everyone has the same taste as others. I reject no wine. Earth is the only planet that has it.

PDinDetroit

What, no love for Mad Dog 20/20???

Mad Dog 20/20 18% or 13% alc. by vol.

As majestic as the cascading waters of a drain pipe, MD 20/20 is bottled by the 20/20 wine company in Westfield, New York. This is a good place to start for the street wine rookie, but beware; this dog has a bite to back up its bark. Mad Dog Stands for Mogen David, and is affectionately called "Mad Dog 20/20". You'll find this beverage as often in a bum's nest as in the rock quarry where the high school kids sneak off to drink. This beverage is likely the most consumed by non-bums, but that doesn't stop any bums from drinking it! Our research indicates that Mad Dog 20/20 is the best of the bum wines at making you feel warm inside. Some test subjects report a slight numbing agent in Mad Dog 20/20, similar to the banana paste that the dentist puts in your mouth before injecting it with novocain. Anyone that can afford a dentist should steer clear of this disaster. Avaliable in various nauseating tropical flavors that coat your whole system like bathtub scum, but only the full "Red Grape Wine" flavor packs the 18% whallop.

Liquor stores are starting to be infiltrated by a 13% variety of Mad Dog 20/20 Red Grape. There is also a new "Blue Raspberry" flavor with "BLING BLING". Even the lowest functioning of bums will know not to get swindled out of 5%.

DrJ

PDiD,

That sure sounds like a winner!

JiB,

I reject no wine either, but I still have preferences.

Rick Ballard

I'm glad the three hour cruise of the Minnow wasn't interrupted by mechanical problems but I find the NEW! IMPROVED! claim of navigational error somewhat difficult to understand. Did they mistake port for starboard when the GPS gave directions?

What knucklehead forgot to have one boat tow the other when they were released in order to cover the Pentagon's initial lies?

PDinDetroit

Ranking the top 5 bum wines, from Thunderbird to Mad Dog 20/20

Me, I always preferred a fifth of Jack - hold the Coke (or sniff it), some sized bottle of Mohawk with the same of Orange Juice, or 2 bottles of Beringer White Zinfandel.

Glad I knew when to quit! Be dead by now...

DrJ

PDiD,

Thanks for that! While I often drink rather pedestrian wines, I was totally unaware of these. I guess I don't know the right sorts of people!

anonamom

Mogen David was the house wine in my house growing up in Flint, PD.

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