Memeorandum


Powered by TypePad

« Undercover Anti-Abortion Activists Indicted? | Main | Vox Populi, Trump Style »

January 26, 2016

Comments

henry

Pie fights would be more informative than the debates. (Plus better ratings).

Miss Marple

I am really fascinated by this. Conventional wisdom, of course, is that skipping the debate proves Trump is a coward.

After seeing that comment by Fox News, I am not so sure. A coward would meekly show up like we have seen for the last 20 years.

Megyn Kelly has spent the last few weeks trashing Trump on her show. She cannot claim impartiality. The Fox tweet simply supports that view.

If Trump has a rally supporting wounded veterans and it is covered by CNN or MSNBC (or even better, one of the networks), he will win this round and defang the media hold on debates.

Primary debates need to be run by the parties and airtime SoLD to the networks. The fact that the GOP hasn't done it is a testimony to how weak they are.

Ah, now, re-runs of Megyn's greatest moments on the first debate. Not exactly an impartial person.

henry

New thread on Trump debate or Trump vs Kelly or whatever.

narciso

Seriously there are no issues of note, today. Fine if trump doesn't want to be there, but they prove his point.

The Infamous Ignatz

--Trump calculated the odds of getting his clock cleaned right before the first vote is cast.--

So this next debate was going to be what, the fourth, fifth, sixth debate that was finally going to destroy him?

--Trump does that to people...--

I myself have been led to do that, but the fact that the Trump haters, as opposed to those who simply oppose him, are loathe to admit is he's not as bad as they try to portray him. It's not really even rational.
He makes a joke about shooting someone on fifth avenue and we're supposed to believe he's homicidal.
He's a born carny barker; that's how he operates and he does it, I am having to admit, extremely well. So if you keep calling him a carny barker you're not insulting him; it's a compliment. And the more the NYT and NR and even people here label him a buffoon and a clown and all the rest and intimate or just plain state that anyone who not only supports him but entertains the possibility he might do a few of the things he says is a drooling imbecile the more you reinforce his appeal.
If that's the goal keep at it. I guess we can assume that anyone who does is actually working for Hillary to get the unelectable buffoon nominated.

If you want to be listened to then try a little bit of reasonable fact based argument, because the name calling and over the top comparisons at best shuts up people's ears and at worst convinces them to support a guy they might otherwise not.


henry

Well stated Iggy.

JMHanes

Wow. We've gotten to the point where we can even endorse using photo-op fundraising for vets to upstage the other contenders in the press?

You know I'd be a lot more sanguine about Trump's run, if it weren't for the kind of ideological, if not moral, pretzels folks I once thought of as true blue conservatives have been twisting themselves into to support him.

narciso

I find him shallow about an inch deep, but they can't get away from the catnip.

Truthbetold

Amen. JHM.

Iggy, I am not going to go to sensitivity training. I call a spade a spade and that is not going to change.

Captain Hate

Primary debates need to be run by the parties and airtime SoLD to the networks. The fact that the GOP hasn't done it is a testimony to how weak they are.

Levin made this point before the first debate. This should be a complete embarrassment for the RNC but I'll be surprised if anybody walks the plank.

The Infamous Ignatz

--Iggy, I am not going to go to sensitivity training. I call a spade a spade and that is not going to change.--

The problem is people keep calling a spade a Caterpillar 992 front end loader which causes people to tune you out or support the guy you're trying to stop.
If that's your plan then a spade oughta come in handy down there in that hole.

hrtshpdbox

"He's a born carny barker; that's how he operates and he does it, I am having to admit, extremely well."

He should seek out a carnival, I don't want a carny barker (who, incidentally, is a clown and a buffoon) as the President of the United States. Further, I don't much care if calling Trump out on what he is gives him even greater appeal to his dullard followers.

Captain Hate

Welp everyone is getting pretty chippy so rather than typing something I'll probably subsequently regret, for a change I'll listen to music and read.

Truthbetold

Iggy

I do not try to convince people who will not condemn partial birth abortion that Roe v Wade is wrong.

So if someone is hell bent on ignoring the facts about Trump I sure as hell am not going hang my head feeling if only I could have presented the facts in a better way.

Followers will vote for Trump just like they did for Obama regardless of what I say or how I say it.

hrtshpdbox

Sorry, Capn H.

boatbuilder, Esq., Lord of All He Surveys

Amusing that NOW is the point where people start getting their panties in a wad about whether a TV network is violating the tenets of "professionalism." As if CBS, NBC, ABC, PBS, MSNBC, et al have been strictly constrained by some exalted professional code of ethical impartiality lo all these many years, and Donald Trump should have any claim to the protection of any such code even if anybody believed it existed. BS all around. When you throw out the "rules", sometimes you have to live with the consequences.

Threadkiller

There is no time like the present.

The Infamous Ignatz

--He should seek out a carnival...--

He decided to go for something of considerably lower repute with its own sideshow freaks; politics.

-- Further, I don't much care if calling Trump out on what he is gives him even greater appeal to his dullard followers.--

Yes, that's my point and it is especially apt coming from someone who was a booster for Jeb!, a veritable ball of fire.

--So if someone is hell bent on ignoring the facts about Trump I sure as hell am not going hang my head feeling if only I could have presented the facts in a better way.--

If your object is to convince others and you are not, perhaps a little head hanging is in order.

Truthbetold

Iggy

That's on them.

Are you a Trump supporter?

JMHanes

Ignatz:

If you're going to run a campaign fueled by furious, fuck-you-and-your-party-too voters, don't complain when everybody else lights up their flame throwers too. Righteous anger is especially seductive. It feels empowering even when it's at its most destructive. I certainly don't defend the kind of attacks launched by Kevin Williamson's ilk, but I've also come to the conclusion that Trump supporters aren't inclined to listen in any case, no matter how carefully phrased the critique. Unlike their detractors, I think they're smart enough to know what's wrong about Trump without needing me to tell them and are, perhaps, more concerned with convincing themselves that none of that really matters. I think it matters a lot, but that's not really an argument, is it? Especially when someone has already decided to take the gamble.

I've worked really hard to get on board with Cruz, and have mostly succeeded in crossing that bridge. But, Trump? If he's our nominee, somebody's going to have to hold my hand all the way to the polling booth, and promise me that my head is not going to explode when I cast my ballot.

Threadkiller

Who are the "party-too" voters?

Thomas Collins

JMH, I have started the exercise of thinking about which Dems I would consider voting for if Trumpster became the GOP nominee. So far, I have come up with four: James Knox Polk, Scoop Jackson, Barbara Jordan and Ronald Reagan in his Dem phase. Because they have all returned to eternity, I would still vote for Trumpster. I would vote for Trumpster over Bloomersberg. Although Bloomersberg talks a more leader like game, he is essentially in the Trumpster/Wendell Willkie mode (absolute zero foreign policy and domestic experience {I consider Mayor of New York to be a tough job, but essentially having nothing to do with being POTUS [I realize others might vehemently disagree with that]}) and an authoritaraian streak that makes Trumpster look like a libertarian (I wonder whether Bloomersberg would attempt to stop Obama from lighting up a cig before the inauguration).

Thomas Collins

If there is a Trump/Cruz debate, I'll save everyone the time of watching it.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/lens_buddy/8057792918

The comments to this entry are closed.

Wilson/Plame