Toll A Doleful Bell

Bob Dole knows losing:

Bob Dole Warns of ‘Cataclysmic’ Losses With Ted Cruz, and Says Donald Trump Would Do Better

Bob Dole is a great American but not so great a Presidential nominee, although he did run against an incumbent with a growing economy, yada yada. But why Trump would be less of a disaster than Cruz, or why either would be a disaster in the current climate, is not at all obvious to me.

Sure, if the economy doesn't crater, Hillary is not indicted, and Ms. Clinton somehow finds some mojo and actual voter appeal against Sanders, and we don't experience too many more San Bernardino style attacks, than the Republicans will be underdogs. If, if, if if and if.

NOT THAT WE ARE KEEPING SCORE BUT... Off the top of my head there have been recent attacks in Beirut, Paris, San Bernardino, Istanbul, Djarkata, Baghdad, hmm, Pakistan, Burkina Faso - not good. Are Hillary supporters sure the US won't be hit again? or do they hope a 'rally round the flag' effect will swing the public behind our cool and detached (not to say 'out of touch') C-in-C?

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[anonamom]

Myself, I'm looking for chuck roast recipes tonight.
Beasts? Lyle? clarice? Anybody?

[Jack is Back (but On Alert with his Percocet and Prune Juice )]

Heh!

Just when you thought it was safe to go outside:

Stephen Gutowski ‏@StephenGutowski 32m32 minutes ago
Bill Clinton will be in Vegas tomorrow. The AVN porn awards will be in Vegas tomorrow.

[boatbuilder, Esq., Lord of All He Surveys]

“I question his allegiance to the party,” Mr. Dole said of Mr. Cruz.

Me too, Bob. It's one of the things I like about him.

[boatbuilder, Esq., Lord of All He Surveys]

Not a word of substance on policy from Dole in that piece---it's all about how the candidate will or won't get along with the powers that be in DC. That's why we are in this mess, Bob.

[Jack is Back (but On Alert with his Percocet and Prune Juice )]

Was he speaking from Russell, KS or from his condo at the Watergate.

[Threadkiller]

Sounds like Dole has gone "best candidate that can win" on us.

For shame.

[ThirdMan]

Cruz should have a narrator read Dole's quote in its entirety, and run that as an ad.

[Jack is Back (but On Alert with his Percocet and Prune Juice )]

Pot Roast or Chuck = olive oil+salt and pepper. Rub in. Set in pan.

Surround with carrots, onions and potatoes or parships. Chop some celery. Add red wine, canned chopped tomatoes, beef stock a garni bouquet. Sprinkle with minced garlic and roast, baby roast. 165F for medium rare. Oh, pre-heat oven to 375.

Its what I do in a pinch.

[anonamom]

Thanks JiB--sounds delicious. For tomorrow.

Glad you're downstairs.

[clarice]

This one sounds good:http://www.williams-sonoma.com/recipe/moms-home-style-pot-roast.html

[buccaneer morgan]

Could be the one in bal harbour, bob dole people!

[Dave (in MA)]

I just heard Hugh Hewitt claim that Bob Dole is out of touch because he doesn't use Snapchat.

[lyle]

Oven roasted, anonomom? I'd start with heavy seasoning of s&p, onion and garlic powder, chopped rosemary and paprika. I sear mine over very high heat on my grill in a cast iron pan then transfer to the oven on a rack in a roaster pan. Add dry red wine, minced garlic, and some beef stock, a bay leaf and roast until done. Remove roast, tent it with foil and let stand. Heat the pan liquid on the stovetop and add a slurry of corn starch and water to thicken it up. More s&p to taste.

[lyle]

You should probably strain your pan sauce before adding the cs slurry but if you don't make sure to remove the bay leaf. Bon appetite!

[lyle]

Clarice's link sounds better.

[buccaneer morgan]

Bob dole was wrong 36 years ago, and he's wrong now, bob dole.

[lyle]

So does Jack's.

[lyle]

Monkey Boy in the middle seat on Bret's show tonight. Puke.

[boatbuilder, Esq., Lord of All He Surveys]

“If you want to call somebody a liar in the Senate, you go to their office — you don’t go on the Senate floor and make it public,” Mr. Dole said.

Because God forbid the public should catch wind of it!

I wonder if the Times interviewer asked Dole the Imus question: "Well, is he?" "Is he what?" "Is he a liar--was Cruz right about this?"

I don't really wonder...

[jimmyk]

Bob Dole Warns of ‘Cataclysmic’ Losses With Ted Cruz

Reminds me of the Lowell Weicker story I linked yesterday, where he predicted a catastrophe for Republican in 2014, due to the nefarious Tea Partiers.

[Threadkiller]

Bob Dole was wrong 5 years ago... http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/12/bob-dole-endorses-mitt-romney/

[jimmyk]

Sounds like Dole has gone "best candidate that can win" on us.

More that we have to play by Marquess of Queensbury rules. How'd that work in 1996, Bob?

[anonamom]

That ugly bolero jacket SP wore yesterday came from Saks. No accounting for taste, I guess:

http://mashable.com/2016/01/19/sarah-palin-trump-endorsement-jacket/#.Y9FSAXTe8qJ

[Art in Newport]

.. Marquess of Queensbury rules..

Donald Trump?

[boatbuilder, Esq., Lord of All He Surveys]

According to Dole Ted Cruz is not a "mainstream conservative" like . . . Donald Trump.

Wow. The more the party establishment says the more I wonder how I ever bought into the idea that there was an intellectual core or principled base there. No wonder they hated Reagan so much.

[anonamom]

And here's the heroine of the Flint Water Disaster, Dr. Mona Hanna-Attisha

http://mashable.com/2016/01/20/meet-the-erin-brockovich-of-flint/?utm_cid=hp-hh-pri#R0MDnIEyePqx

"We shared these results at a press conference, and you don't usually share research at press conferences," she said. "It's supposed to be shared in published medical journals, which now it is. But we had an ethical, moral, professional responsibility to alert our community about this crisis, this emergency."

[Destiny Ignatz]

Bob Dole = Bob Michel.
The Bobsy twins of gracious losers who never got mad when the Dems ground their boot in their face.

What is with a guy that can shoot Nazis but curls up like a feather on a pot belly stove if Barbara Boxer looks at him sideways.

[Miss Marple]

I feel the same way about the attacks on Cruz the way I felt about those on Trump.

This nastiness and attitude of superiority needs to stop. It drives voters away.

[Rick Ballard]

Kansas? That's where Sam Brownback was said to be just too conservative to win re-election in '14, right? If Brownback had been a real Team GOPe player, he might have had a chance.

[Destiny Ignatz]

Mainstream conservative Trump;

I think that he’s [Barry] really doing a nice job in terms of representation of this country. And he represents such a large part of the country. I mean, to think that a black man was going to be elected president — I watched television for years where the great political analysts were saying maybe in 50, maybe in 100 years. Here’s a man that not only got elected, I think he’s doing a really good job......Oh, yes, he’s a champion. I mean, he won against all odds. If you would have looked — when he first announced, people were giving him virtually no chance. And he’s just done something that’s amazing.

“If they didn’t stuff the banks with money,[TARP] we’d be in depression number two right now, Larry. I mean, we would be strongly in depression number two. So they did the right thing in putting money into the banks.”

"Donald Trump hosted two fundraisers for uber-establishment candidate Charlie Crist in 2009, as Crist tried unsuccessfully to fend off a challenge from conservative upstart Marco Rubio. Trump was all establishment, all the time, as he also donated to Harry Reid to help him defeat Tea Party insurgent Sharron Angle in 2010.

One more thing: Trump contributed $50,000 to help make Rahm Emanuel, the ultimate corrupt Democratic Party politico, the mayor of Chicago. That’s turned out well!"

[buccaneer morgan]

Yes that was exhibits 5 and 6.

[Threadkiller]

Donald Trump?

That would be Marques of Queens borough rules, Art.

[Miss Marple]

Chuck Yeager endorsed Donald Trump.

[Threadkiller]

“There was a fear that the whole economic system of America would collapse — that all of our banks, or virtually all, would go out of business,” Romney said. “In that circumstance, President Bush and Hank Paulson said we’ve got to do something to show we’re not going to let the whole system go out of business. I think they were right. I know some people disagree with me. I think they were right to do that.”

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/294167/romney-offers-praise-tarp-katrina-trinko

[Michael (fpa Patriot4Freedom)]

I share lyle's angst from the previous thread:

"There is the possiblity that Trump's support could prove a mile wide, but an inch deep."

A recent poll by ABC has some telling numbers that Iggy also referred to yesterday. Trump's favorable numbers are *even worse* than Hil-LIAR-y's favorable numbers among the total electorate.

"There are some telling differences among groups. Trump’s favorability rating is just 18 percent among Hispanics and blacks alike, vs. 44 percent among whites. And Trump is seen favorably only by 28 percent of women, vs. 42 percent of men.

There’s a sharp gender gap on Trump even within the GOP: He’s popular with 67 percent of Republican men, compared with 48 percent of Republican women. He’s lost 19 points among GOP women since November, vs. a scant -3 among GOP men. He also has dropped 16 points among less-educated Republicans, one of Trump’s central support groups."

IOW, if the Trumpster were to win the vote of *every single voter* who has a favorable opinion of him, he is limited to less than 35% of the vote.

That would seem to be the very epitome of support that is "a mile wide, but an inch deep."

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/cruz-christie-gain-popularity-trump-carson-bush-stumble/story?id=36249854

[Dave (in MA)]

Cruz doesn't appear to sufficiently swab the rumps of top men, but the other frontrunner has shown that he's willing to play along even with the party he's recently decided he's against.

[Destiny Ignatz]

Vote for Trump!
He agrees with the last mushy loser!!!

[Threadkiller]

That Dole's theory.

[Threadkiller]

That's...

[Thomas Collins]

I can see the logic of establishment politicians being tougher on Cruz than Trump. Cruz is a bigger threat to run the table (or at least most of it) than Trump. The third man in, whether he be Rubio, Kasich, Christie or Bush, has a better chance after the March 1st primaries if Trump is in the delegate lead than if Cruz is.

[lyle]

With apologies to Jack, our Cincy alum, I really dislike Huggins. That is all.

[Ann on iPad]

Anonamom:
Google "three envelope pot roast". You will never look back. It is so EASY and delicious. You can also add any vegetables of course.

[anonamom]

Thanks Ann!

[DebinNC]

Senate Dems block bill requiring tighter Syrian refugee screening. McConnell made the Dems vote? Excellent. Maybe Ryan has shamed Mitch into getting off his patootie and doing his job.

[lyle]

I doubt it, Deb. Say, does anyone need some cynicism? I have a surfeit.

[anonamom]

Lyle, thank you as well. I'm inspired!

[buccaneer morgan]

Maybe if the jayvees struck in searchlight's bailiwick, he might get a clue, lemmings are telling the dems, you're embarassing is.

[buccaneer morgan]

Nearly half a million expired visas, Carlos slim tells squirrel of course.

[GUS]

What would know about the "best candidate that could win". If he was that smart, he wouldn't have run himself.

Bob Dole??? Nuggets?????? hehehehehheehhehe.

[lyle]

De nada, anonomom.

[lyle]

We just finished some awesome fish tacos at Casa de lyle. Panko crusted cod with green chile cabbage, minced jalapeño, fresh lime, and sriracha on corn tortillas. Muy bueno.

[Jane on Ipad]

Clarice,

It looks like you may get stuck here.

[Threadkiller]

Just saw this commercial:

https://www.nranews.com/series/freedoms-safest-place/video/freedoms-safest-place-south-side/episode/freedoms-safest-place-season-1-episode-12-south-side

[Rick Ballard]

Lyle,

How can you be cynical about Calvinball politics featuring the finest credentialed morons to ever engage in political science? Sure, the script for The Princess Bride Meets Young Frankenstein is a little uneven but the transition to pure improv should smooth things out within just a few weeks. A couple of months at most. By the convention, at any rate.

[GUS]

Lyle, here's a confession. I got a George Foreman grill for Christmas.
I just made a hamburger with it.

[Threadkiller]

I was hoping for one of those fancy TFal grills, Gus.

Maybe next Christmas.

[GUS]

Tk, I've got some tfal stuff, it's not bad.

[Threadkiller]

I was hypnotized by an infomercial, Gus.

Couldn't pull the trigger.

[Threadkiller]

Cruz is on Hannity explaining his complete objection to TARP at the time it was initiated.

I wonder if his Goldman Sachs employed wife was upset about the TARP money her company benefited from.

[clarice]

Jane, we made it out. As we were coming from the airport there was a light dusting of snow.It has now frozen solid and cars are slipping and sliding on the hill in front of our house--they can't get up or down--already one collision.We're well enough stocked with provisions for days . I only hope we don't lose power--cause we are trapped at the bottom of an impassable hill..

[lyle]

Burgers rawk, Gus. You're absolved. :)

RB, I can't get enough Calvinball.

[Threadkiller]

http://www.businessinsider.com/buffett-tells-country-tarp-gave-over-1-billion-to-goldman-sachs-2011-3

[buccaneer morgan]

Well buffett, the real life ed Rooney did design the thing, the question is why was Lehman bros sacrificed.

[lyle]

Baker is a partisan hack. Buffet as well but he makes billions off his cronyism. Nice gig, huh?

[Threadkiller]

That is a question.

My question, though, is what was Heidi's cut?

[Porchlight]

This nastiness and attitude of superiority needs to stop. It drives voters away.

Agree, MM. I am seeing the same snobbery from conservatives that I saw from the left in 2008. Very, very disappointing.

People are angry and demoralized and in some cases desperate. But they're unwashed and icky and uneducated and so apparently they deserve nothing but condescension and scorn from pricks like Charles Cooke in the NR article that lyle linked on the last thread.

Screw that. It's everything I stand against and you know what? It makes me want to vote for Trump.

[buccaneer morgan]

Baker, the said a major domo, although he seems to be taking in
The mullahs in retainer.

The notion that she needs trump, as long as she has a contract with mark burnett, well whatever narrative floats their boat.

[glasater]

anonamom,

For pot roast recipes that have come earlier one ingredient I've found useful for seasoning is chinese oyster sauce instead of salt. I rub it it the meat after I've seared the roast and it makes a nice caramel finish and also wonderful gravy.

[lyle]

glasater FTW on pot roast tips!

[Buckeye]

Nearly every position Cruz takes on the issues I agree with. Nonetheless, Trump is more electable.

Would I prefer President Trump? Big fucking question mark. Would he fix things, or just blow it up?

Damned if I know.

[buccaneer morgan]

We're told he's not, but these were the same people who told us McCain and Romney were the sinequanon, and Thompson was too lethargic.

[glasater]

Hey lyle, I so enjoy reading about your menus/meals. Yum!

[Destiny Ignatz]

Guy who is running for pres loved and still loves TARP and Kelo.
Other guy who is running for pres opposed TARP all along and is adamantly against Kelo

Voters who oppose TARP and Kelo shouldn't look to these respective positions but should look to where the second guy's wife worked and make their decision based on that.
Got it.

[Miss Marple]

Hi, Porchlight!

I have been watching old episodes of "Murder She Wrote." I found it better to step away from politics for a while.

I must say that the nastiness of so many in all wings of the party has been disheartening. While people like Cooke and Wilson and others may feel that they are doing God's work, the average people who read their stuff on Twiter or see their columns and such are repelled. At least I am.

So I decided to just step away and do something distracting.

[Buckeye]

buc

I put zero confidence in what the "experts" have to say. At the end of the day, my number one priority is to see Hillary get her fat ass kicked. Beyond that, everything is gravy.

Thompson was one of the most likeable of the bunch, lethargic or not. Sensible, steady. GOPe, perhaps, but I think he would respond to reason. Been a long time since we had a President like that.

[Miss Marple]

No one is a saint amongst those who are running for president. None of them.

Put not your trust in princes, even if they seem to be perfect candidates.

[Porchlight]

A fine idea, MM. :)

I'm enjoying the pot roast recipes - I have a small grassfed top round in the freezer that is crying out for proper treatment.

[Buckeye]

agree with that MM.

Where is Abe Lincoln when you need him?

[Miss Marple]

Well, Buckeye, a lot of people hated Lincoln when he got elected.

We are just going to have to hope and pray that God in His Providence will give us a leader to guide. Us through turbulent times.

I am not smart enough to know the answer.

[glasater]

I prefer Cruz certainly but am a realist in what this country has come to under 0bama. And my concern is also that Cruz does not poll well with women.

Also, I'm scared to death of Warren and what kind of voting wave she would engender should she get into this prez race.

[GUS]

Buckeye, there is NO POSSIBILITY that TRUMP could cause the damage that O'LadyJeans has.
Not possible.
Every aspect of governance is in the toilet right now. They found a FAST and FURIOUS 50 CALIBER at El Chapo's pad. I could take a legal pad and fill several pages with shit Obama and his feckless bastards have done to harm this nation. We need to stop the bleeding. If Trump ends up winning the nomination, the GOPeePee CAN GO STRAIGHT TO HELL if they don't like it. The fire needs to be put out, THEN, payback. By any means necessary.
In a perfect world, TRUMP wouldn't be the lynch pin. He might be.

[Comanche Voter]

Bob Dole was a young infantry officer who left a hand on a hill in Italy during the late stages of WW II.

Dole is now a retired Senator and failed Presidential candidate who, when he makes a statement like this, seems to have left his brain somewhere. Maybe on the credenza in his office?

[maryrose]

Well I finally caught up and will say I enjoyed all the comments
Today is my birthday and I had a great one

[Miss Marple]

Dole is from another generation. I think it best just to look at his comment as one from someone who values the country above all else. I think he is terrified th democrats will win, so any port in a storm.

[Miss Marple]

Maryrose,

Happy birthday!

[lyle]

Happy B-day, maryrose! Glad you had a great day.

[Buckeye]

Gus

I agree. And I was being a bit flippant about Trump "blowing it up".

I would prefer a President who would FOLLOW the Constitution, and send half the people in DC packing.

If Trump could convince me that was his intent, I would get behind him 100%, despite the fact that I think he is a blowhard.

We could do worse, we now have a jive ass who is a nightmare. Hard to imagine worse than that.

[Buckeye]

Happy birthday Maryrose!

[buccaneer morgan]

Happybirthday maryrose.

[GUS]

Buckeye, I believe a President who willfully puts himself above the Constitution openly disobeys it, should be called to account each and every time he does so, by CONGRESS and the COURTS.

The GOP is about politics. IF OBAMA is not held accountable for what he has done, it is because the GOP is weak and will not lead this country. We have been let down by losers who love 2nd place in a two man race.

[Threadkiller]

Second guy whose family benefited from the TARP program he opposed shouldn't be scrutinized.

Got it.

[glasater]

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[Buckeye]

MM

My mom left us with many letters from family that were making there way from Ohio & Pennsylvania to the west coast during the Civil War. It was clear that the Southerners that joined them on the Oregon Trail hated his guts.

It was also clear that by the time they got there that the bonds between these couageous people were much more important.

I rarely spend my time worrying about the nature of the my neighbors. I worry a lot about the nature of politicians.

[Threadkiller]

Happy Birthday, Maryrose!

[Buckeye]

GUS @ 11:55

No argument from me. Unfortunately, Zero is going to skate. GOP is far to busy occupying the fainting couches to actually think about doing their job.

[caro]

So glad you had a good birthday, marries. And many more.

[Miss Marple]

I had better get myself to bed.

Goodnight!

[caro]

autocorrect.
sometimes it is funny.

[jimmyk]

Happy Birthday, Maryrose!

Via Taranto, this is today's academia, peer-reviewed (may need to right click for the whole thing):

Nice touch of using "foreground" as a verb.

[daddy]

Via Insty, this made me laugh out loud:

Best Black Actors of 2015