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January 11, 2016



I apologize too, Cecil. I thought you had directed a statement to me, and I really thought I asked a meaningful question that related.

Yes, I accept the terms.

Miss Marple

Stephen Miller ‏@redsteeze 8m8 minutes ago

Good news. About 30 minutes of Obama's speech on the Iran deal was just edited out.

Cecil Turner

I just Stroll on by when the conversation turns "birther" or "truther".

Tonight, I guess "the squirrels ARE back in the attic".

It's in the news. It was the years when it wasn't that it was truly obnoxious.

Cecil Turner

Yes, I accept the terms.

Thanks. I'll also apologize for that last comment, and avoid such in the future.



Why would you capitalize Carter's name and not mine? That is very insulting. But you know that.

Okay I'm going to pledge to ignore the people who bug me. And yes, they are sailors.

Clarice, we'll see. I think Iran is into showing Obama that he's an idiot.


Why would 404 need 30 minutes to tell us the Iran "deal" is bad for all except Iran?


A legitimate state escorts or tows a vessel with mechanical difficulty out of claimed waters. It doesn't 'seize' vessel and crew, pirate regimes like the NorKs and Mullahs do that. This highlights the idiocy of handing the Mullahs terrorism $$$$, in exchange for what they consider not to even be a 'binding agreement'.


Actually it's not possible to show Obama he's an idiot.

Beasts of England

Our lurker noted the two ships being captured. I'm not finding much on the web about it. Let's hope it's nothing.


here is an NBC report: http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/pentagon-2-u-s-navy-boats-held-iran-military-n495031


Fox isn't convinced it's not nothing, nor are they convinced it is.

Jack is Back (but On Alert)!

Heh. John Huntsman is still alive and tanned.

Jack is Back (but On Alert)!


My apologies. Blame fat fingers not me. I have no control over them.

BTW, can someone capsulize what the hell happened in re Iggy being insulted by who and why? I saw some posts by Rick Ballard but they seemed so out of character that I knew they were trolls.


Maybe the republicans can hustle and get a family member of one of the crew to make a statement before the SOTU

Miss Marple

Jeb donor on Cavuto who says he will vote for Trump if he's the nominee.

Of course, Jeb is his first choice but he does understand why Trump gets support.

This is a guy who would probably like his money back.


New Trier high school jumps the pc shark:http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/01/12/racial-identity-mlk-new-trier/

Jack is Back (but On Alert)!

Maybe the republicans can hustle and get a family member of one of the crew to make a statement before the SOTU

Obama and his crew would just call them liars or misinformed.

Miss Marple

Now this has popped up on Twitter:



Another one of our betters in the GOPe journal ist class let's us know how the real world works:


No hints as to whom he refers.

Cecil Turner

This highlights the idiocy of handing the Mullahs terrorism $$$$, in exchange for what they consider not to even be a 'binding agreement'.

The tiny sliver of silver lining is the LEU turnover . . . but I have no idea about the compliance measures or the actual impact on the Mullahs' capability to produce a weapon. I strongly doubt it is as hobbling as the spin would have it.

Jack is Back (but On Alert)!


Are the Brown of daddy's Blue and Red? Aviator living in L,Ville sort makes me wonder. Do Brown pilots never turn starboard like the drivers?

Jack is Back (but On Alert)!

...Are You the Brown....

buccaneer morgan

New trier is Rumsfeld and David asman's alma mater, well Romans seems on point.

buccaneer morgan

Did all the Texan common sense get shaken out of him?


MissM-- that story claims that the Mullahs (Rev Guardsmen) seized that merchantman. More piracy.


As it happens I have managed to piss off Jimmyk

Really? Like I said, I'm not perfect, but at least I don't think I responded with name-calling and expletives.

Anyway, best not to clutter the thread with more such discussion, so here's a semi-on-topic question: Does Charles Blow pronounce his name as in the word "blow" or like the more common last name Blau (i.e. rhymes with "wow")? I would think the former would have resulted in merciless beatings as a grade-schooler.

Miss Marple

Greta Van Susteren ‏@greta 26m26 minutes ago

If Iranians are releasing our sailors,could they throw in Marine Hekmati,Pastor Abedini,Journo Rezain and FBI Bob Levinson ?


Related...our crap media & religion

the late Michael Crichton’s 2002 essay “Why Speculate?”:

Media carries with it a credibility that is totally undeserved. You have all experienced this, in what I call the Murray Gell-Mann Amnesia effect. (I call it by this name because I once discussed it with Murray Gell-Mann, and by dropping a famous name I imply greater importance to myself, and to the effect, than it would otherwise have.)

Briefly stated, the Gell-Mann Amnesia effect works as follows. You open the newspaper to an article on some subject you know well. In Murray’s case, physics. In mine, show business. You read the article and see the journalist has absolutely no understanding of either the facts or the issues. Often, the article is so wrong it actually presents the story backward-reversing cause and effect. I call these the “wet streets cause rain” stories. Paper’s full of them.

In any case, you read with exasperation or amusement the multiple errors in a story-and then turn the page to national or international affairs, and read with renewed interest as if the rest of the newspaper was somehow more accurate about far-off Palestine than it was about the story you just read. You turn the page, and forget what you know.

That is the Gell-Mann Amnesia effect. I’d point out it does not operate in other arenas of life. In ordinary life, if somebody consistently exaggerates or lies to you, you soon discount everything they say. In court, there is the legal doctrine of falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus, which means untruthful in one part, untruthful in all.

But when it comes to the media, we believe against evidence that it is probably worth our time to read other parts of the paper. When, in fact, it almost certainly isn’t. The only possible explanation for our behavior is amnesia.

Miss Marple


Man Tran


A Great RINO Hunt doesn't make sense in '16 but '18 should keep taxidermists very busy.

I find the added phrase read some time ago as being clarifying:

Hunting them with dogs. :)

Jeff Dobbs

new sotu thread....

Cecil Turner

Yes and no. But not nearly as cool as daddy . . .


No chance these guys will be released before the SOTU is over.

Thanks for the apology JIB. I have no idea why that bothers me so much, but it does.

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

--BTW, can someone capsulize what the hell happened in re Iggy being insulted by who and why? --

It was nothing. Not worth wasting the time to look it up.

Cecil Turner

Classy. Previous apology was implied, please consider it explicit.





Janet: Excellent excerpt from Crichton!


Fun to see my name in lights! I was reading the Free Beacon's story about Bernie Sanders steering money to various friends and family members, and thinking how utterly disproportionate the scale of Clinton corruption is in comparison. The fact that even such monumentally venal grifting is still not enough to prop her up decisively in the polls is one of the few political bright spots, imo.

Texas Liberty Gal

Janet - great link!!!!

Texas Liberty Gal

What a dilemma-I hate that the Iranians have seized our vessels but I love that it makes Obama look like a fool. And I feel awful that I feel that way!!!


Fox 10 live link to the rally - 10 year "guest" of Hanoi Hilton talking now


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