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February 07, 2016

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Marlene

Good Morning!

Marlene

First. :)

Threadkiller

Here is Chritie turning Sippy into Norman the robot:

https://youtu.be/U_Gg6ggghoI

Everyone, especially those who skipped the debate, can be on the same page now.

Marlene

Why did Hillary go to Flint? Never let a crisis go to waste? She knows Bernie will win on Tuesday,so why bother staying in NH?

Threadkiller

...Christie...

Captain Hate

Since everybody seems to love the mailman's son in NH maybe he should stay there, since he'll need to find a new job in two years anyway. I'm sure that would be fine with Ann and Buckeye, with only maryrose wanting him back; that right there is the state attitude in a microcosm.

Thomas Collins

Jebster is at 10 percent at UMass Lowell tracking. Jebster's performance will be the surprise of Tuesday. Of Christie, Kasich and Jebster, Jebster will be the one hanging on by the skin of his upper crust teeth.

Beasts of England

A quick Super Bowl™ question: is Denver's defense truly exceptional or was the Patriot's offensive line just marginal? I'm trying to remember the comments made about same during the playoff game.

I'm asking because I'm hearing some irrational exhuberance from the Panther Nation regarding a blowout by the Camsters. I may want to capitalize on that at the party later...

Jeff Dobbs

Huh, I hadn't realized that Huntsman got 17% in NH four years ago. I would have guessed something closer to 9-10.

Interestingly, two days before the NH primary, Huntsman was polling at 9. I'm sad that I don't remember all the Huntsmentum Mania.

Kasich is obviously vying for the same voters - and is polling a little ahead of where Huntsman was...but I don't think he'll get to 17%.

Captain Hate

Fat RINO Bastard should figure out whose cock he wants to suck more: 404's or Springsteen's, both of whom despise him. I've heard more than enough from that self serving tub of shit.

Jeff Dobbs

How about Jerry Jones, CH....

Thomas Collins

BOE, Pats were 3-5 in their last 8 games, and much of the issue was their offensive line. Broncs D is not at '85 Bears level, but it us quite good enough to make those who took the apanthers -6 micturating their Bud Light throughout the game.

Cecil Turner

"Vivisection"? I deplore the eliminationist rhetoric.

But I'll have to join you on the virtual Carolina sideline. Normally on these things you bet on the defense . . . but I think there's a more significant overall gap than the O/D divide. It's also funny how little respect the Panthers get, even after a 15-1 season.

Thomas Collins

I've observed more lack of respect for the Broncos and for Manning becoming an efficient 2001 season Tom Brady type QB.

Buckeye

CH

Well Kasich's daughters are anchoring their volleyball team, so might be a few Ahians that would be sad to see him leave.

Marlene

Shrillary got out of town to avoid the ridicule. She is going to Flint to try to make herself look touchy feely sympathetic and suck up to some black voters

Marlene

Hillary went to Flint and Bill has two rallies in NH today. Poor guy is starting to look like he's on a death march.

Buckeye

"Of Christie, Kasich and Jebster, Jebster will be the one hanging on by the skin of his upper crust teeth."

Never underestimate what can be done with $100 million.

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

As I've said before Rubio is at best number two maybe three with me.
Having said that and recognizing the awkward and kind of embarrassing way he kept returning to his canned theme I found Christie repeatedly returning to the fact that he manages a fleet of snow plows just as canned and just as embarrassing.
The idea a governor is held accountable while a Senator isn't seems slightly odd to me. They're both given a job by their constituents and fired at the next election if they don't do it satisfactorily. It is not the accountability that is different but the job description. had he made that argument he would have had a point.

However in his awkward and stilted way Rubio was making an important point that explains why Christie should be unacceptable to a conservative. When he says Barry's destruction is unintentional he is making the point that ideas matter. Christie's ideas stink because they're the same mushy middle of the road pabulum that has allowed the left to advance.
Rubio unfortunately seems to have a less than rigid spine so he is less than trustworthy policy wise but at least he recognizes that Barry isn't a good guy whose incompetence has been the problem and at least he starts out with pretty conservative principles in most areas unlike Christie.

Christie is a better debater. I'm not looking to hire a debater. I'm looking for the guy who has the right ideas and the spine to stick to them. Anyone else is just placeholding til the next and worse Obama comes along.

les nessman

Carson and Trump's continuing whine about Cruz pulling the 'unfair trick' in Iowa is making Carson look whiny and weak.
This tactic may hurt Cruz ( I think it does ding him a bit) but it makes Carson look like a child crying over unfair treatment. Nobody likes child-like, wimpy behavior in a Prez candidate.

Cruz gets slight damage, Carson looks weak. Meanwhile, Trump stirs the pot like the slippery politician that he is, and doesn't get hurt.

Threadkiller

Maybe Christie is enamored with Rubio's flagpole.

Jeff Dobbs

Ig:
I found Christie repeatedly returning to the fact that he manages a fleet of snow plows just as canned and just as embarrassing.


Beasts of England

Thanks, TC - I thought that was the assessment. I just wanna needle a few CamFans from his college days. Maybe get a $5 side bet or two. :)

Buckeye

JiB

Sucks that the rehab is dragging out.

I think the local JOM crowd needs to visit. Maybe with a good Bordeaux hidden under their coat.

Jeff Dobbs

Here's some football...NFL Bad Lip Reading:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtIPmVN6zdc

Captain Hate

When Fat RINO Bastard gets up in the morning he must think "how can I lower the state's credit rating" because he's been very adept at accomplishing that.

Buckeye

Iggy

I missed Carly last night. I think she has more spine and bigger balls than any of the guys.

Jeff Dobbs

Here's Hillary in Flint:


Threadkiller

Christie believes that Obama isn't that smart?

He is alone with that theory.

Buckeye

Hillary must be sweating the black vote in SC.

When she said "rich and white", she forgot to add "like me"

lyle

When was the last time a Heisman winner also won MVP in the pros? I'm no Scam fan but that's quite a feat, yes?

jimmyk

However in his awkward and stilted way Rubio was making an important point that explains why Christie should be unacceptable to a conservative.

Agreed, but he could have responded more directly along the lines you say. I also really wanted Marco to come back at Christie's brag about having to respond to Hurricane Sandy with some snark about The Hug. Disappointing that he repeated his talking point like one of those old dolls with the cord that you pull out.

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

TK,
Rubio was making the exact point you have made time and again about Barry, a correct point I might add, and all you seem to care about is his delivery.

Christie seems to think;
1. If he makes the welfare state trains run on time he's done his job and,
2. Government is the manner in which society solves problems rather than a necessary evil which more often than not creates the problems it's allegedly trying to solve.

Captain Hate

I missed Carly last night. I think she has more spine and bigger balls than any of the guys

They should've refused to take part in it without her. They had a real chance to make a statement of principle and blew it like they always do. Another squandered opportunity.

Threadkiller

Anyhoo, I like Christie as much as I like Rubio and my opinion of Chrisite is well known since the hug. JOM archivists can double check if so inclined.

I do not trust Rubio or Christie. What I was hoping for with the two of them:

Off to dig up stuff on Cruz. Have a good SuperBowl Sunday.

PEYTON MANNING!

jimmyk

Lyle @11:59, I think it was Barry Sanders.

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

There is no doubt Rubio is awkward in the debate and extemporaneous format.
That is not an indication of how he would govern.
There are other worrisome indices for that.

jimmyk

They should've refused to take part in it without her.

Would have been win-win, since the debate was evidently just a vehicle for ABC's Hillary shills to fire potshots at the Republicans.

Jeff Dobbs

CH:
They should've refused to take part in it without her. They had a real chance to make a statement of principle and blew it like they always do. Another squandered opportunity.

Cruz offered his support for Carly both in an interview and in a tweet calling for her to be included. As far as I can tell (I didn't look exhaustively) Carson was the only other candidate to call for Carly to be included.

That's a low cost/no risk way of picking up some brownie points. Thing is - they didn't ACTUALLY want her there - they wanted the good pr that comes with saying they want her there.

No one among the candidates wanted her there - she a damn good debater and could well have taken the spotlight away from them as a result - if not deliver a stinging blow.

Captain Hate

Scam has given the doubters a heaping order of STFU. I'm not a big fan but have never doubted his ability.

Meanwhile the dumbasses voting for the HOF have left me with such a cold blinding rage that I'll ignore the Super Bowl again.

Jeff Dobbs

I cheated and looked it up...

1. Frank Sinkwich – Georgia/Detroit Lions
Heisman: 1942
Joe F. Carr Trophy (MVP): 1944

2. Paul Hornung – Notre Dame/Green Bay
Heisman: 1956
MVP: 1961

3. Roger Staubach – Navy Midshipmen
Heisman: 1963
Bert Bell Award (MVP): 1971

4. O.J. Simpson – USC/Buffalo
Heisman: 1968
MVP: 1973

5. Earl Campbell – Texas/Houston
Heisman: 1977
Pro Football Writers Association MVP: 1978,1979;
Bert Bell: 1979
Associated Press: 1979

6. Marcus Allen – USC/Los Angeles
Heisman: 1981
MVP: 1985

7. Barry Sanders – Oklahoma State/Detroit
Heisman: 1988
MVP: 1997

8. Cam Newton – Auburn/Carolina
Heisman: 2010
MVP: 2015

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

A depressing juxtaposition demonstrating where our society is and the intolerance and authoritarianism of the left.
Andrew Cuomo joins in the nationwide effort to prevent homosexuals who would like to attempt to no longer be homosexuals from even trying or receiving therapy from licensed therapists.
At the same time they push to make hormonal therapy, psychotherapy and the most drastic surgeries available to any person including children suffering from the delusion they are trapped in a body of the wrong sex.
This despite the fact there are indications the latter group is harmed a great deal more than the former by the respective therapies.

It's a sick world and the left's prescription is bring on the disease.

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

That's some pretty good company. Now, if Newton would try adopting some of their onfield demeanor it would be a hell of a lot easier to root for the showboating creep.

Captain Hate

Jeff, I think the network didn't want her there because she's very good at handling gotcha questions and usually turns them into digs at Rodham.

Jeff Dobbs

Rest up, folks. There's a lot of work to do after the Super Bowl.

The James Vote will reset at midnight tonight. (putting the link in this comment to the site running the contest got my comment thrown into the naught bin. boo.)

With a new poll - there will be a new link to go directly to the poll. Once up, I'll link it - and encourage everyone to do so as well.

Old Lurker

"Would have been win-win"

Except for all the big boys who would have looked like the wimps they are compared to Carly.

Jeff Dobbs

I agree, CH - which is one of the reasons it was cheap and easy and risk free for Cruz and Carson to speak out strongly for her to be included....they knew ABC had no will to have her on there - and they knew the RNC would shelter in place on the issue.

clarice

I read ABC wouldn't even let her run an ad during the debate4s--that's how good she is.

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

Wretchard's latest in which he characteristically takes on the ideas regarding whether Barry is incompetent or evil rather than the delivery systems of the conflicting ideas.

lyle

Guess I could have looked up the Heisman/MVP list myself but I got Jeff to do it instead. Score one for me!

jimmyk

OL, I was thinking of the "debate cancelled" outcome. If they let Carly in it would also be a win in the sense of CH's comment that she would have been most effective at responding to Hillary supporting journos' gotcha questions.

Jeff Dobbs

Ig:
Now, if Newton would try adopting some of their onfield demeanor it would be a hell of a lot easier to root for the showboating creep.

I'm not one who cares one way or another on the showboating stuff (unless it's against my team!), but it really is something to go back and watch Barry Sanders after a touchdown - flips the ball to the ref, teammates pat him on the back, and he casually runs back to the sideline. No dancing, no jumping around, no taunting or jabbering.

It's the old proverbial saying - he acted like he had been there before.

Classy.

jimmyk

I got Jeff to do it instead

Jeez, what does a guy have to do to get some credit around here? :)

Rick Ballard

I believe the idea behind selecting Comrade Sanders was that Hilary's performance on Super Tuesday would be so spectacular as to give him reason to withdraw while she advanced in a blaze of glory. The strength of ABH sentiment is such that the initial plan may prove to have been rather misguided. Should Comrade Sanders not withdraw, Hilary's march of triumph in the second half may come to resemble the Bataan Death March.

Has anyone else noticed the denial of free publicity to Trump since Iowa? The strength of the ABT vote has the MFM second guessing their 'one weird trick' tactic.

Captain Hate

The only record of #666 that Manning won't touch no matter how long he plays: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_int_career.htm

Jeff Dobbs

CNN says this about the Clinton's speeches (via Powerline):

In total, the two gave 729 speeches from February 2001 until May

That's roughly 5,200 days.

If we assume that they both gave an equal number of speeches - and frame it so that they took turns and spoke on a regular schedule - there would have been one Clinton speech every week for 14 years.

clarice

Love the Bataan analogy , Rick--still the master of the phrase.

Rick Ballard

Clarice,

The Fascists believed that if the choice were Commie or Witch, the Witch would naturally prevail. They neglected to ascertain the impact of their own indoctrination system in making the Commie acceptable and minimized the antipathy which the wicked old Witch elicits. I certainly don't count the Witch out, her true core, F>50 w/teaching credential, has too much influence for that. OTOH - the ABH factor may be far greater and the demographic 'majority' far weaker than the Fascist Fractured Fairytale envisions.

middyfeek

Re Christie - he's no bargain but he damn well took down your little newspaperboy.

Re candidates football predictions - why would anyone think they know anymore about football than they know about anything else

lyle

If commie Bernie REALLY went after Hilligula on the emails and her criminal "charity" foundation--which he won't--he could turn off the young 'uns to fading appeal. Might cost him his life, though...

narciso

Re carpet bombings, had there been carpet bombings not pinpricks of Kandahar in say 1998, maybe towers 1 & 2 would still be standing. We faces foes like mithridates did in Asia minor

narciso

Maybe it will take a dying city in the west, before we get a clue.

Carlos slims as is their want slobbers all over doc Brown's willful negligence

Captain Hate

Levin suggested instead of a $10 tax per barrel on oil that there be a $10 tax on every brief filed by the slip and fall lawyers to stimulate the economy.

narciso

Re the va, he did what Sutton did in the subprime crisis.

narciso

Or dillinger, who can't keep these bankrobbers apart. Their handiwork helped cripple aly bank.

Buckeye

"Hilary's march of triumph in the second half may come to resemble the Bataan Death March."

I volunteer to march behind her and prod her with a bamboo pole.

glasater

Good grief, Fareed now has on Lewis Alcindor to denigrate Trump..as if that guy's opinion is going to influence anyone.

Frau Papagei mit Baskenmuetze

Iggy @ 12:11 - Reverse discrimination? Those wishing retrofitting will be forced to resort to back alley treatment by quacks with dirty equipment. I hope they sue under the equal protection clause.

Frau Papagei mit Baskenmuetze

I often say my mind has a mind of its own. In reading Clarice's Pieces, my mind first read

[S]ince Secretary Clinton’s tenure began, with Huma Abedin serving as a lap adviser..

instead of
[S]ince Secretary Clinton’s tenure began, with Huma Abedin serving as a top adviser...

No comments, lyle. Despite hit's rule, I've denounced myself.

jimmyk

"Top" can work too, Frau, if your mind works that way.

Janet

another link about Clinton speeches - http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-08-03/every-hillary-and-bill-clinton-speech-2013-fees

"Since 2013 Bill Clinton has been paid $26.6 million for 94 speeches; Hillary's grand total is slightly less: $21.7 million for 92 private appearances."

Miss Marple

Good afternoon, all.

I have twisted my hip (probably knelt in an odd position at mass) so now I am walking with a limp and am very irritated.

Peyton Manning still has a fan base here in Indy, so there are a lot of people rooting for Denver.

While Manning was here he did a lot of charitable stuff, including building a children's wing on a hospital.

People have good memories of him, so there will be a lot of cheers for him tonight. I just hope he doesn't get injured.

DebinNC

I can't say you couldn't pay me to go to a Clinton speech, but the price would have to be at least 5 figures and no more than an hour's drive.

Miss Marple

Check you state for the number of mosques:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CakBCzSW0AEeyrv.jpg:large

Janet

My neighbor's house is for sale - http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/3206-22nd-Street-N-Arlington-VA-22201/2099766679_zpid/

I need a conservative neighbor! Please come buy it. I'm beggin' ya....

Thomas Collins

Don't worry, Frau. I probably would have read it as lap dancer.

Miss Marple

Janet,

YOW! That house has the same square footage as mine but is FOUR TIMES the market value!

Sorry I can't oblige! It's a beautiful place, though.

Momto2

OK - somehow I've survived all the political controversy here over the last few weeks...but if everyone starts being nasty about Cam I will have to depart!

Why is it "showboating" to celebrate - he is having FUN! He is always smiling - always seems to be enjoying the GAME - guess what? That's what it is - a GAME! Why not have fun? He is not taunting - he is having fun! He has made so many kids happy by tossing them a football - plus he does amazing things off the field to benefit children. (as do many NFL players)

I understand if you are a Bronco's fan but otherwise - is it really necessary?

Jeff Dobbs

Deb:
I can't say you couldn't pay me to go to a Clinton speech, but the price would have to be at least 5 figures and no more than an hour's drive.

Heh. I skipped the Hillary speech at the San Fran conference a couple years ago --- but I did go to the Bill speech at the same conference 5 or so years ago. It wasn't a bad speech and in a way I'm glad I went . . . but I'd never sit through another one again.

Jane

Re: Trump coverage: I've noticed Rick. "Wall to wall" has morphed into "Maybe another day".

Frau Quatsch

That was to be lyle's remark, jimmyk. I am often lyle's straight man, accidentally or not.

"Lang may yer lum reek"

DebinNC

Amen, Momto2. We'll be rooting for the Panthers, and also hoping Peyton has a good but losing outing.

James D.

the price would have to be at least 5 figures and no more than an hour's drive.

The going rate appears to be $225,000. Why would you give her a discount?

Miss Marple

I don't get the Cam hate, either.

But then, I am not a big football fan, so maybe I am missing something.

I am going to go try to clean up the kitchen and see if my hip is any better.

Buckeye

I will depart when people start being nasty about tonight's go-to guy Ted Ginn Jr. From The Ahia State University.

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

--He is not taunting - he is having fun!--

Opposing players beg to differ, especially because it is so scripted and choreographed rather than spontaneous excitement. He makes Mark Gastineau look respectful.

Would you teach your kid in Little League or Pop Warner to act like that in front of a team they had just defeated or scored on? I hope not and if not why is it tolerable in an adult? Because he tosses some kid a football?

Rocco

I don't like the show boating either. I had a coach that used to teach, "we win with a little humility and lose with a lot of dignity." Bobby Orr seldom raised his stick after scoring a goal. He usually bowed his head and skated away so as not to embarrass the other teams goalie...that's a leader in my estimation.

Tom Maguire
Bill has two rallies in NH today. Poor guy is starting to look like he's on a death march.

So the news isn't all bad. [I deplore this eliminationist rhetoric, however carefully targeted! - ed.]

henry

He took a Packer fan's banner. Real class act that Cam. He is a jerk at heart.

But as far as pro wrestling football goes, they all do it these days. I blame the Madden Football graphics for all the excessive (and very choreographed) celebration on all the meaningless plays. So Fam's hamming it up is not surprising.

lyle

he is having fun!

One assumes so is his dad with that ~$170K he mysteriously came into just about the time Scam matriculated into Auburn...

Jim Miller

Since no one else has said the obvious, I will.


What should you do if you get a call from a member of the Carolina team?

As Ogden Nash said:

"If a panther calls,
don't anther."

Thomas Collins

Cam is an an amateur compared to Red Auerbach, Momto2. When Auerbach coached the Boston Celtics, if the Celtics were well ahead in the fourth quarter, Red would light up a victory cigar on the bench before the game ended. Talk about in yo face. I can imagine what proper post-modern corporate type Adam Silver would have thought.

Rick Ballard

When should Carson announce a shift to running for Rubio's seat in the Senate? He needs 120K signatures and the filing period is June 20th to June 24th. Dropping out before the South Carolina primary would make sense in order to avoid a 'three time loser' tag.

I'd really like to see him in the Senate from Florida.

Jim Miller

henry - Newton took a Seahawks banner from a group of fans.

To me, that's like tearing down another candidate's sign.

Tom Bowler

TM,

Since no one asked, I am a youth, energy, strong defense and big running game guy. I would love to see Peyton go out on top but he is more likely to go out on a golf cart - I don't see Denver winning this thing.

In what little I've seen of Cam and the Panthers, their opponents completely lose composure in the first half of the game. Happened to the Giants, who came back to tie from what? 27 points down to lose on a field goal. It happened to the Seahawks who were down 31 - 0 in the first half.

If Denver can maintain their composure during the initial onslaught, I think they can win it. Easier said than done, I'm sure. Carolina seems to open the game by severely intimidating every team they play, and then the other team collects themselves and makes a game of it. Carolina has to be doing something right to so thoroughly intimidate.

I didn't see the debate. Did Rubio really look that bad. It didn't look so bad in the clips. And Christie, pressed by Chris Wallace on FNS, his answer annoyed hell out me -- "Don't insult the people of New Jersey." Please. Not a fan.

Tom Maguire
When was the last time a Heisman winner also won MVP in the pros?

I read that Cam Newton can complete a sweep only done by Marcus Allen. IIRC, it is college champ, pro champ, Heisman, MVP. Maybe Rookie of Year as well.

Touchdown Tony Dorsett must have missed something (pro MVP?), because I have a vivid recollection of him going from champ at Pitt to rookie champ at Dallas. I mention this just to document my failing memory - on to Google!

Thomas Collins

If Bill drops dead, The Hill's odds of being the next POTUS increase dramatically. I'm wishing for good health for Bill.

lyle

Machiavelli has nothing on Mr. Ballard.

Rick Ballard

É vero.

anonamom

I'm rooting for the Panthers, but I hate the excessive celebration.
Seems narcissistic--- lots of self celebration.
One thing to have a teammate approach you and do a high five or smack your butt or even a chest thump, but the solo stuff doesn't set right by me.

Though now, it's part of Panther Pride. Doing the Dab and Keep Pounding.

Did Cam start giving away the footballs after the criticism started?
Great PR move. The kids love it, and it makes wonderful TV.

Took dessert over to the neighbors where we've been invited to watch The Game. They outfitted their den with astroturf and have a projection TV showing on a ?16x10 screen. Connected two big wedding tents to that room via the slider---more astroturf-- a bar, inflated bounce house for the 27 kids. A big time will be had by all!

GO PANTHERS!

lyle

Same here, TC. But I understand dying of syphilis can be a long painful ordeal...

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