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February 22, 2016

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Thomas Collins

James D, I agree the Cantor-types and Cantor-aide types are not going to derail The Donald Express. But if the PACs decide that it's time to attack, the PACs are quite capable of a derailing operation. The question is whether Cruz and Rubio are savvy enough to figure this out and to communicate to the "independent" PACs to do the deed to The Donald.

lyle

I can't post the picture from Powerline's TWiP but the one with Trump and Perot side by side with the caption:

Isn't it funny how whenever a Clinton runs for President a billionaire shows up to split the Republican vote?

...is rather interesting, yes?

Thomas Collins

In the NH primary, the Cruz, Rubio, Bush and Kasich PACs were brutal to each other. The Donald was barely attacked at all.

hrtshpdbox

"...did anyone foresee the majority of Jeb's voter going to Trump??"

I'm extremely dubious that's actually the case.

derwill

Rick, I think it depends on why those voters are supporting Cruz in the first place. If it is the "outsider" issue, then I can see them going to Trump vice Rubio, who, whether he wanted it or not, has assumed from Jeb the mantle of the Establishment Candidate. If it's the evangelical issue, then maybe Kasich? But apparently Trump got a good portion of the evangelicals in SC, so who knows?

maryrose

Not time yet for Cruz or Rubio to get out
The Dems want Rubio or Trump
We can't give them what they want
They are afraid of Cruz and don't want Kasich either
Will be doing some phone banking for Kasich this afternoon

Beasts of England

To be sure: I'm not claiming that Cruz is either a creep or a liar, I'm just observing the narrative. And I'd hate to see that narrative do damage to him in his political future - one that I hope continues for decades.

Jeff Dobbs

"...did anyone foresee the majority of Jeb's voter going to Trump??"

I'm extremely dubious that's actually the case.

It's especially dubious considering Stephanie's link shows 11% going to Trump - behind Rubio, Kasich and Cruz.

I mean, maybe 11% is higher than what people were expecting, but, um, majority?

Old Lurker

This should be fun:

WaPo "Judge orders discovery to go forward over Clinton’s private email system
A federal judge ruled that State Department officials and top aides to Hillary Clinton should be questioned under oath about whether they intentionally thwarted federal open records laws by using or allowing the use of a private email server."

Threadkiller

I'm extremely dubious that's actually the case.

I concur.

First we need validate that he had any supporters.

Old Lurker

Then if you find any, TK, you have to determine if they can find their way out of a paper bag.

Beasts of England

I'd build on Rick's earlier comment: get out now while his endorsement would be substantial; cut a deal to be nominated to the Supreme Court; and look forward to being Scalia's replacement a year from now. That would be yuuuuge!

Beasts of England

1% would have been higher than I was expecting. :)

daddy

Rush says in Hour 3, after a long previous segment in Hour 2 on Rubio and the Gang of 8, and what Schumer and the Dem's were ultimately pushing regardless how they camouflaged it (Exoansion of the Dem Voting Roles in any way possible) that the reason Trump is running away with it is that it is about a last gasp effort to stop the country we have known unraveling and this is a last effort to save it---it's no more complicated than that says El Rushbo.

Rush and Newt obviously see eye to eye on this.

Now Rush is going into the particulars of the latest efforts linked by Clarice across the country to get undocumented aliens to vote in our elections--He mentions some new proposal in New York City to allow illegals to vote in City elections.

Stephanie

The point of the article I posted on who is going where, is that Trump's lead is so large that the 11% going to him plus the undecideds which will not all break against him is not enough for either Cruz or Rubio to overcome. Incrementalism this late in the game does not help the others.

derwill

If Trump jumping on the Bush Lied, People Died liberal meme in SC didn't derail his candidacy, then I can't imagine what affect attacks by the PACs will have. What are they going to say that hasn't already been said a million times already? That he's not a true conservative? That he bloviates and flip flops? Eminent domain? Bankruptcies? Orange hair? The Clintons came to his wedding--OMG! There've been enough op-eds and essays and talking heads spouting about his awfulness to fill the NYC phone book, and none of that has made a dent.

A part of me understands his appeal, and another part of me is, if not horrified, then at least gravely concerned by it. We seem to be unchartered seas now--to the point where I'm starting to think that even a President Sanders is not outside the realm of possibility. Heaven forfend.

Thomas Collins

I wonder whether the pure snobbery that has accompanied a lot of comments on Trump's supporters is clouding the judgment of the advisors to the Cruz and Rubio campaigns. It's hard for me to believe, but it's possible that these folks have thought all along that Trump would fall of his own weight (or casino chips) because he would have only a limited albeit cultish like following among the bitter clingers. I hope that if this is the case, the campaign mucky-mucks have been disabused of that notion. What need to be done to Trump is what most of the other candidates have done to each other.

Stephanie

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/02/cruz-staffer-goes-rogue-campaign-is-done-he-cannot-win-the-nomination/

Rats, ship... some assembly required.

Anyone doubt that the staffers are GOPe? Saving their skin at the expense of the campaign...

Thomas Collins

I think, derwill, that Trump's Bush Lied People Died comment could still seriously damage his candidacy if the PACs would spend real money with ads hammering on that quote. Keep in mind that JOMers follow the campaign a lot more closely than most voters. If my experience watching TV before the NH primary is an indication, Trump has not been savaged as much as the other candidates in the TV ads (he was barely nicked). Let's see how he holds up when he is subjected to those clever and vicious attack ads (at this point, if the PACs don't start playing hardball with Trump, he might very well win the nomination).

daddy

Koch Brothers top political advisor, some guy named Mark Short, endorses Rubio.

You guys are probably way ahead of me on knowing that.

Ed Rollins replies on hearing that:

FOX Reporter: How big a deal should we make of that?

Rollins: It's a very big deal. I don't care about the Bob Dole's of the world or what have you, wonderful men, but their endorsement doesn't mean as much the people with money, and the Koch Brothers obviously have heavy (unintelligible word). Rubio needs the resources to stay in this race a long time, and what you don't want with all the big names endorsing you, not the money people but the big names, is you don't want to become the Establishment Candidate in this cycle. You need the money of the establishment but you don't want to be the Establishment candidate.

sidwhite

Trump may well win, but 11% of the Bush supporters will not be the reason. Remember, 11% of Bush supporters is almost 0.5% of the total poll spread. Hell, Cruz and Rubio out performed several of the polls in the SC primary by way more than 0.5%. 0.5% increase while others are picking up 89% more of the support does not increase the Trump lead.

daddy

Followed by the breaking News that some:

FOX: "Federal Judge has now ruled that the State department top Aides to Hillary Clinton should be questioned under oath about whether they intentionally thwarted Federal Open Records Laws by using or allowing the use of Hillary's Private E-Mail Server through Secretary Clinton's tenure as Secretary of State."
---------------------

If there was ever a question that these guys wouldn't have had to be put under oath and ordered to answer these questions, then we are more broken as a country than I imagined.

derwill

--is you don't want to become the Establishment Candidate in this cycle. You need the money of the establishment but you don't want to be the Establishment candidate.--

I think that horse has left the barn and is already about 10 miles down the road.

hrtshpdbox

"What are they going to say that hasn't already been said a million times already?"

They certainly won't be saying the type of things the Dems and their media lapdogs will say the day after Trump is nominated - that's when the juicy stuff will emerge.

Jeff Dobbs

In the last national poll I see that had second choices with crosstabs - a PPP poll in early Feb, people who named Jeb as their first choice for the nomination indicated that their second choice was:

Rubio 24
Carson 15
Trump 11
Kasich 8
Cruz 5

Maybe Trump polling at 11 in terms of picking up Jeb supporters now shouldn't be as surprising as we think it is.

Beasts of England

Not arguing with your math, sidwhite, I'm just saying that a Venn diagram with an intersection of Bush/Trump supporters should have been rarer than unobtanium.

Threadkiller

you have to determine if they can find their way out of a paper bag.

LOL

A job for Frank Luntz.

hrtshpdbox

First we need validate that he had any supporters.

Oh ouchy ouch ouch. Maybe six months from now, or the day after election day in November, there will be a Woodstock-type phenomena; y'know, where millions of people now say they were at Woodstock, although far fewer actually were. Maybe if Hillary carries 42 states and the Senate flips, there will be lots and lots of "I supported Jeb, it's not my fault" people.

Jeff Dobbs

daddy:
Koch Brothers top political advisor, some guy named Mark Short, endorses Rubio.

Koch Brothers are big time Comprehensive Immigration Reform champions - including the Gang of 8 stuff Rubio was neck deep in.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/361958/gang-eights-coalition-bigs-andrew-stiles

sidwhite

BOE
Agree that even 11% seems incongruent with these two candidates, but Jeff's poll reference above predicted that exactly. My statement was that 11% of Bush's 4%-5% to Trump while 89% of the same is going to the field does not really move Trump up.

Old Lurker

"Maybe if Hillary carries 42 states and the Senate flips"

I am installing a second, and perhaps a third as fast as we are filling up, diving board on the Ledge in case that happens. My goal is to be able to evacuate the Ledge as quickly as the FAA requires 500 people to exit a plane in distress.

Beasts of England

Agree completely, sidwhite. I guess the 11% were the 'tall / rich' preference voters. :)

daddy

JOM Question:

Now with the comments on Trump from Newt and Gulliani and the Press reporting that he has apparently been talking to other big time intellects behind the scenes for advice on how to win, (ie.: Art Laffer, Bill Bennett, etc) can we now agree that Trump actually wants to win the Presidency as opposed to him simply doing a narcissistic sort of Ross Perot (Reality TV pseudo-run) just to stroke his ego?

My belief is that Trump actually wants to win the Presidency.

2 months ago I wasn't sure of that, but that's my opinion now.

Porchlight

Me too daddy.

Unless we are still positing that he is a stalking horse for Hillary. Is that one still going?

daddy

You know it's time to take over the League of Women Voters or establish a competing group.

The League of Vagina Monologers Dialogers.

Stephanie

[They certainly won't be saying the type of things the Dems and their media lapdogs will say the day after Trump is nominated - that's when the juicy stuff will emerge.]

And you think that anything the lapdog media, who those in the Trump camp hate with even more vigor than democrats, claims will be able to dent him? This same group currently downplaying the 'truthiness' of Hillary and the treason she has committed as no big deal?

I've got a bridge in China I can sell ya.

There is NO stopping the Trump train by insiders, outsiders, SuperPacs, endorsements, truth, lies... when those who are slinging the arrows have already de-feathered them due to their own perfidy, you really think that those arrows are going to aim true? NFW.

Jeff Dobbs

daddy:
Now with the comments on Trump from Newt and Gulliani . . . can we now agree that Trump actually wants to win the Presidency

I see a teensy flaw in there regarding getting advice on winning the R nomination. But then again, I guess Trump already has that part sewn up. :)

rse

The people linked to the cruz campaign in Texas I have had dealings with were all quite cocky he had developed a winning strategy that would commence in SC.

Now they seem just a tad hysterical.

Beasts-I think The Federalist was created to advance the cruz juggernaut.

I do think dt wants to win it. His kids' behavior fits with this having become a family project. That's not the behavior of a spoiler.

Dave (in MA)
Mikey Adams Verified account ‏@MikeyAdamsWEEI Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't we spend time, money and American blood and lives to round up these #GITMO pieces of garbage? @POTUS

A little nugget of wisdom from a guy who rarely talks about politics.

NK

I am going to be an optimist, and say this thing swings quickly to Rubio, Rubio/Carly win in a walk over Hilligula (or slo Joe) Cruz is appointed AG, Kasich OMB director, McConnell Senate Majority Leader with at least 54 Repubs (at least one Dem flips). That's my gut.

lyle

http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-trumpkins-lament-1456184997

Bret Stephens has some words for Levin and Limbaugh (and all those "Trumpkins"):

Well, congratulations, fellas. If your avowed purpose was to knock Jeb Bush out of the race, you’ve won. It must feel great.

Then again, it’s looking less great for Ted Cruz, your preferred candidate, who could only manage a third-place finish in a very red state. And it’s looking even worse for the Republican Party, which shows every sign of wanting to give its presidential nomination to an unelectable buffoon who would lose in a rout—to Bernie Sanders.

It’s a lucky thing for conservatives that the likeliest alternative to Mr. Trump for the nomination is the very “establishment Republican” Marco Rubio, the non-jerk of the season who could actually win in November. Too bad his task will be that much harder thanks to the ideological drunks who, when they knew better, cheered the Donald on.

As TK proferred weeks ago, I read the WSJ so you don't have to. And, earth to Stephens: your preferred candidate was a shitty candidate and put himself out of the race all by his lonesome.

daddy

I think he wants to close Gitmo so he can hand it back to Cuba. As long as there is a military presence there we are using it and can keep it through the treaty. If it is abandoned, I think it becomes far easier to hand it back.

Miss Marple,

That was my opinion a year or so ago when I spent a day going thru how we wound up technically giving back the Panama Canal, and also giving back our US Military bases in the Philippines that we acquired in the Spanish American War.

I am probably an outlier, but I think if he orders the troops out as CIC there is significant legal wiggle room in the couple treaties we've resigned since then that can be interpreted as allowing him to give it back.

Hope I'm wrong.

Captain Hate

Maybe if Hillary carries 42 states and the Senate flips, there will be lots and lots of "I supported Jeb, it's not my fault" people.

Probably among the country clubbers but a more useful expenditure of time would be decorating lampposts with Priebus and every [redacted for Lent] one of the geniuses that steered the garbage scow GOP into every [redacted for Lent] iceberg in the smooth sea.

narciso

meanwhile, the skydragon acolytes, insists their flapping wings, can force waves, krakenlike, on to our fragile shores

Old Lurker

I'm going to place NK's 4:03 in my time capsule right beside DoT's statement in 2008 that "this country will not elect Barack Obama President of the US."

daddy

FWIF,

Fred Barnes on FOX Business says he believes that if Trump wins the nomination, then the Dem's will win the Presidency because he says he knows so many Repubs that will refuse to vote for Trump that the Dem's will take it all.

Old Lurker

Fred Barnes also said yesterday, as mentioned by a laughing Rush, that the whole anti GOPe thing was caused by Talk Radio.

Way paste your sell date, Freddie.

NK

I'm stickin to the optimistic case OL.

Daddy- no the CINC has no authority to transfer USA Sovereign territory, he can order the military to leave US Territory undefended.

Captain Hate

Bret Stephens is a worthless little [Redacted for Lent] who is part and parcel of why I let my Rupert's Enquirer subscription lapse after around forty years.

daddy

Reading that Bret Stevens bit, it strike me as funny how back in the days of Pappa Bush the campaign slogan was this:

"Annoy the Media, Vote Bush!"

Yet now we've annoyed the Media by not voting for Bush:)

Bite my arse, Bret.

hrtshpdbox

I've got a bridge in China I can sell ya.

Right, because I'm so stupid, you've said so before. I believe the media wants Hillary, that they will do their very best to paint Trump as a debauched lunatic, and that they've been keeping their powder dry so far. We'll see how it goes.

Old Lurker

NK "I'm stickin to the optimistic case OL."

Then you and I average out as, well, "dour".

You play your role and I will play mine.

narciso

reverse reverse psychology,


http://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/02/23/model-claims-future-heat-waves-to-roast-60-of-the-planetary-surface-by-2075/

lyle

A palate cleanser to Stephens:

http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/media-elite-dismiss-trump-voters-as-racist-rubes/

Trump is connecting with average Americans. He speaks to voters in terms they can understand, eschewing political correctness and fancy inside-the-Beltway language, and he speaks to issues they care about, namely immigration.

In fact, Trump won over 78% of voters who said the top quality they seek in a candidate is someone who “tells it like it is.”

This is the media elite’s real fear — that Trump will tell it like it is in a general election match-up with Hillary Clinton, maybe even calling her a liar to her face.

One can only hope...

hrtshpdbox

I am going to be an optimist, and say this thing swings quickly to Rubio, Rubio/Carly win in a walk over Hilligula (or slo Joe.."
I'll be that optimist too, NK, though Cruz/Rubio sounds alright to me as well, or Cruz/Susanna Martinez or anything along those lines.

derwill

In other words, Lyle, we were all supposed to acquiesce and quietly allow Jeb to be crowned the heir apparent, rather than go through that messy democratic process of multiple candidates and contested primaries.

jimmyk

Catching up, lyle from a couple of hours ago about Barry's claims:

would lower costs by up to $85 million a year

Yeah, the math is wrong, but the operative words in that quote are "by up to...." That's beltway for "I have no idea but I'll just pull this number out of my ***."

Beasts of England

Bret and Fred have dialed their butthurt all the way up to '11'. Any chance that those two turds would accept their share of the blame for creating the electoral atmosphere that enabled Trump?

jimmyk

he says he knows so many Repubs that will refuse to vote for Trump

Fred Barnes wins today's Pauline Kael Award.

Buckeye

I think Trump wants to win the Presidency.

I think he honestly believes he can "fix" things. No shortage of self confidence (OK hubris) with this guy.

I also honestly have no idea if he would be worth a crap as President.

I also honestly have no idea whether Rubio or Cruz would be worth a crap either.

I am confident Hillary will have me right at the edge of The Ledge.

Captain Hate

Too bad the Ewok doesn't do this all the time:

John Kasich should simply disappear. I see his best career path as becoming some kind of reclusive hippie scrapyard artiste, welding together exhaust pipes from old cars and broke-down Jungle Gyms and spraypainting walls with garish tableaus of Jesus flashing gang-signs.

clarice

There's no way Congress will join Obama in allowing Gitmo to close.
There's no way Congress will hold hearings on any nominee he proposes.

Shiny baubles to distract.

I think Trump has it pretty much wrapped up. He will kick over lots of tables. He will do some things wrong. He's going to win, however,

IMO

NK

JimmyK-- well we do know that thus far in 3 small primaries almost 70% of repubs have not voted for Trump.

hrtshpdbox

... we were all supposed to acquiesce and quietly allow Jeb to be crowned the heir apparent, rather than go through that messy democratic process of multiple candidates and contested primaries.

That's exactly what I had been say....oh, I see, you're kidding, never mind.

daddy

At least Trump has spent the last forty years as an executive, unlike Cruz or Rubio. What has either of them done that is an indication of an ability to lead?

Since Rubio is color blind and since it is illegal to operate a vessel (speed-boat)o n the open seas without functional color vision ("Red, Right, Returning"), I think he should be prosecuted to the full extent of the Law for his breaking of Maritime Law.

Book him, Danno, and throw "Child Endangerment" into the charges.

Go Ted!

Captain Hate

Barnes is a pretty good reporter in terms of writing what Top Men and their enablers are saying.

Thomas Collins

Uh-oh, now I need to go up against both Stephanie and lyle.

Stephanie and lyle, nothing has stuck to Trump because Trump has not had to deal with Full Monte attack ads. Even if GOP continues to play pattycake with The Donald, HillPAC or LizPAC or DevalPAC or JoePAC won't. It will be ugly. I'm not saying that Trumpster loses in McGovernesque, Mondaleesque or Goldwateresque proportions. He won't exceed 47% of the popular vote or 35% of the electoral vote. Ironically, his best chance would be if Bloomersberg runs.

Thomas Collins

See? I'm so putting myself out there, don't more JOMers want to join the bet and get a personalized text from me with a pic of my tattoo if I lose?

daddy

Still playing catch-up. Did we figure out yet who was the UR-Marmosetter?

Which came first, the Chicken or the egg Ig?

Why did the chicken Clarice cross the road?

To rip off Rick B and Iggy:)

Buckeye

"well we do know that thus far in 3 small primaries almost 70% of repubs have not voted for Trump."

True that, but nearly 80% have not voted for Cruz or Rubio either.

cindyk

Here in Colorado we have radio spots during Rush by James Dobson (Focus on the Family) supporting Ted Cruz NOT Rubio....

Darn...Rick's support of Rubio has rusted my Groupie chain (but just a bit)...I am very concerned how easily Rubio seems to be manipulated by the GOPe and I love me a man that truly pis$&es off the Washington establishment and the Chamber of Commerce. They all DESPISE Cruz....just saying....

Buckeye

Wrong choice of words, but you know what I meant.

80% voted against Rubio, and 89% voted against Cruz.

Buckeye

80% against Cruz...fat finger day.

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

--Maybe if Hillary carries 42 states and the Senate flips, there will be lots and lots of "I supported Jeb, it's not my fault" people.--

Yeah, because a guy who couldn't even get into double digits in the Rep primary was going to dissolve the Red Witch in a tsunami in the general.

hrtshpdbox

"Yeah, because a guy who couldn't even get into double digits in the Rep primary was going to dissolve the Red Witch in a tsunami in the general."

There's no correlation there at all, in national polls Bush always ran better against Hillary than Trump did.

lyle

TC, while I consider myself honored to be in the company of fair Stephanie for just about any reason, it wasn't me proposing any Trump imperviousness to D-PAC onslaught should he be the nominee. I have been almost assiduously neutral thus far towards Teh Donald on these boards. Almost...

lyle

Did we figure out yet who was the UR-Marmosetter?

Better yet, can we agree on who was the UR to the UR on this board? I think we can... :)

narciso

yes about that,


http://hotair.com/archives/2016/02/23/mcconnell-to-obama-dont-forget-that-its-illegal-to-transfer-terrorists-to-us/

it's about time that someone go like jim downey on billy madison, re his ridiculous statements,

Thomas Collins

OK, lyle, I stand corrected. You can be the referee when Stephanie and I square off in a Texas Death Match on the advisability of an excise tax on money transfers out of the USA! :-))

Buckeye

"I love me a man that truly pis$&es off the Washington establishment and the Chamber of Commerce. They all DESPISE Cruz....just saying...."

X2 for Trump. No, probably more like they HATE Trump with a passion.

lyle

Done, TC. But let me stipulate that due to my paternal lineage I'm partial to Southerners. Perhaps you could tip my partiality back your way with a more upscale bottle of Champagne when we visit Destiny and Tatiana. Say vintage Cristal Brut Rose? :)

narciso


by the timeline this seems to be the jayvee franchisee nabbed recently,

http://projects.nytimes.com/guantanamo/detainees/267-ahmad-abd-al-rahman-ahmad

pagar a bacon,  country ham and sausage supporter

"that the Dem's will take it all."

Why would any American vote for a Democrat?

http://www.numberofabortions.com/

Every day we hear that the leftists are upset that some people are trying to stop them from killing more.

Beasts of England

There could be a little dirt thrown Hillary's way in the general election, as well. Pure speculation, obviously. She's pretty clean...

Thomas Collins

The finest champagne or wine for you, lyle. And I'll spring for a room for you with Destiny, Tatiana AND Precious!

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

--Even if GOP continues to play pattycake with The Donald, HillPAC or LizPAC or DevalPAC or JoePAC won't.--

Trump has already been called every name in the book by the MFM, as have his supporters. There are endless stories already on his hubris, his wives, the crazy crap WeeDavey regurgitates, his bankruptcies, his misogyny, his crudity, his racism, his...jeebus I could really go on all day.

It has already proven to simply reinforce his appeal. He has high negatives, which is not a small matter, but much of that is because he is already so well known that more of the same isn't going to change that nearly as much as dirt on a relative unknown like Rubio or Cruz.
Moreover, his likely opponent has at least as high negatives and a very large plate glass target she lives in to be throwing stones from.

An economy this weak, after eight years of one party in the WH is a mountain to overcome for anyone. In this case it plays right into Trump's hands and freezes the hideous hag who couldn't drag that 100 pound duffel bag she calls an ass over a gopher mound.
When you add in that she is one of the architects of the FP disaster confronting us worldwide, she's facing a veritable south face of Dhaulagiri with not a sherpa in sight who will get under that mass to try and boost it to the top.

cindyk

Buckeye: Have you heard the Robert Reich infomercial .... Rush played it yesterday...Reich was going on and on how evil Cruz was, but they (liberals) could "work" with Trump!

derwill

--Stephanie and lyle, nothing has stuck to Trump because Trump has not had to deal with Full Monte attack ads. --

Sorry, TC, but I really don't get this argument. We've had the entire GOP establishment and their brothers shouting at the top of their lungs for months now that Trump is a bloviating asshat clown, not a true conservative, as well as a liar, cheater, racist, sexist, and a stupid idiot and none of that has mattered a whit. What is there left for the GOP pacs to attack him with now, when his supporters have already shown that they just DO NOT CARE what is said about him. When Trump said he could shoot a guy on the White House lawn and his supporters wouldn't care, he was right.

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

--There's no correlation there at all, in national polls Bush always ran better against Hillary than Trump did.--

Even ignoring that those polls are essentially meaningless at this point we find that Jeb lost by one point less than Trump would.
So Jeb would have only lost 41 states?

Thomas Collins

Focused attack ads are different, Ignatz. By the way, in addition to your counterarguments, I acknowledge that when Trumpster has gone mano a mano or mano a womano against candidates in specific dust-ups, Trumpster has done just fine (the best example, I think, being Trumpster besting The Hill in the War on Women kerfuffle).

Of course, if Rubio and Cruz fool me and don't start slinging mud at Trump in the ads, we won't find out whether the mud will stick until the general election.

lyle

she's facing a veritable south face of Dhaulagiri with not a sherpa in sight who will get under that mass to try and boost it to the top.

Sysiphus wouldn't even be so condemned as to take that punishment.

derwill

Or what Ig said . . .

Thomas Collins

Same answer to you as Ignatz, derwill. Well crafted mudslinging attack ads have a psychological impact on primary races that the general garbage thrown at Trump hasn't, especially when his opponents are slinging the mud at each other. I hope my theory gets tested before the general election.

Sandy Daze

Regarding GITMO closure and what to do about the moose limbs incarcerated there...

IINAL, but IIRC, the treaty revocation needs to be voted upon by the Senate.

Saying that, this is the age of the demigod...

The scenario I see for the resident accomplishing the turnover of the entire GITMO base is this:

During the meet and greet in Habana next month, the resident agrees to turnover GITMO, and the Cuban govt agrees to accept all of the prisoners incarcerated there.

Thus, the problem of where to transfer the prisoners (Yemen, Oman, USA supermax, etc) is neatly sidestepped. There is a willing nation and there is an available facility.

US Forces on the island and the Cuban forces conduct a turn-over in place.

Once the prisoners are in Cuban hands, the Cubans can (and will) do anything they like with them. I suspect the prisoners will all be released in very very short order. The Cuban government may extract a "handling fee" from AG / ISIS etc for a speedier release. My guess is that not later than a year fro now, all prisoners will be home, back "goat herding" IYKWIMAITYD.

Within days after release, President Trump will dispatch Mitch Rapp and his buddies to clean up the mess on aisle nine.

Thomas Collins

Jeeezuuusss! My Texas Death Match against Stephanie has now turned into Ignatz, derwill and Stephanie tag teaming against me with lyle extorting champagne rooms from me to keep up a semblance of fairness as the referee!

jimmyk on iPhone

NK, you know this, but not voting for Trump in a primary does not imply *refusing* to vote for him in the general. Ditto for Cruz or Rubio or anyone else.

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

This is not a small point; Trump is Teflon-like for the same reason Reagan was.
They both know that, absent some type of treasonous behavior, attack ads have exactly as much power as you grant them. If you shelter in place and defend and explain and ask forgiveness you're toast.
If you at times ignore and at others punch the a-hole right back in the mouth twice as hard they quickly learn to shut up, as the other Reps have with Trump.
It's not complicated but is not usual human nature either, so it isn't tried that often.
When it is, as we saw in the CNBC debate, it emasculates the attackers.

narciso

civility how does one spell that:

http://babalublog.com/2016/02/23/ted-cruz-and-marco-rubio-are-not-latino-traitors-ok-can-we-talk/traitors/#main

lyle

http://spectator.org/articles/65565/we-did-drill-our-way-2-gas

A little blast from the past:

We can’t just drill our way to lower gas prices,” President Obama told an audience four years ago today at the University of Miami. Like this year, it was an election year and Obama was running for re-election. Later in his speech, he added: “anybody who tells you that we can drill our way out of this problem doesn’t know what they’re talking about, or just isn’t telling you the truth.” He scoffed at the Republicans for believing that drilling would result in $2 gasoline — remember this was when prices at the pump, in many places, spiked to more than $4 a gallon: “You can bet that since it is an election year, they’re already dusting off their three-point plans for $2 gas. I’ll save you the suspense: Step one is drill, step two is drill, step three is drill.”

Step four: admit you're a lying douchebag. wrong.

narciso

exactly maverick and mittens, were almost pitiful, in their unwillingness to confront the libelous slander, actually the former has no excuse,

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