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March 26, 2016

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henry

INTP-A. Whatever that is.

Miss Marple 2

Another place I am glad I don't live:

http://www.thefederalistpapers.org/us/british-themed-restaurant-attacked-by-portland-liberals-for-colonialism

anonamom

Henry, per the explanation the school gave my son many moons ago, you:

Seek to develop logical explanations for everything that interests you.
Theoretical and abstract, more interested in ideas than in social interaction. Quiet, contained, flexible and adaptable. Have an unusual ability to focus in depth to solve problems in your area of interest.
Skeptical, sometimes critical, always analytical.

Miss Marple 2

The first time I took a versionof the Myer Briggs I was a freshman in high school and it was billed as a career predictor. The career I was given was "forester" or something which allowed me to be outside.

I thought it was hilarious as I was going to major in journalism or English and be a teacher.

Well, interstingly, when I got to college I discovered that the pay for journalists was small, andI would have to move. One education course toldme I didn't have patience to sit through the rest of the classes.

So I majored in geology, which ended up having me outdoors a lot, and I also spent 30 years here making a garden with lots of trees.

Now my profile is ISTJ - family, practical, duty, loyal etc.

Buckeye

henry

Means you and I are wired the same way. anonamoms description describes me pretty well.

When I was a young pup, right out of school, I was the engineer that they sent in a chartered aircraft with an oscilliscope when something needed fixed. Knew I wouldn't come back until problem was solved.

Sound familiar?


maryrose

ENTP
I would never stay forever to figure out how to fix something
I don't have a lot of creative ideas but I don't mind the grunt work
I see the whole picture but miss important details
I know I am a combination of introvert and extrovert

maryrose

Happy birthday Cathyf
I was unable to post yesterday as it was a nine hour Easter visitation marathon

maryrose


MM
I could totally see you as a forester
These tests do provide kerns of truth about who we are
Has anyone here ever done the Enegram?
That test really reveals the strengths and weaknesses of your personality
It tells whether you are a Head. Heart or Gut person
Surprisingly I am a Head person who doesn't worry very much with a positive attitude toward life

maryrose

Should be kernels of truth

anonamom

Lifted from Insty--VDH on the apology tour our next president will need to make:

pjmedia.com/victordavishanson/potus-45-apology-tour/

Miss Marple 2

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/03/28/us/politics/donald-trump-republican-voters.html?referer=https://t.co/2IHWEl0yAv">https://t.co/2IHWEl0yAv">http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/03/28/us/politics/donald-trump-republican-voters.html?referer=https://t.co/2IHWEl0yAv

Headline: How the GOP elite lost its voters to Donald Trump

Pretty good synopsis of the last 2 years.

Miss Marple 2

http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/28/us/pavlof-volcano-eruption-alaska/index.html?sr=fbCNN032816pavlof-volcano-eruption-alaska1135AMStoryLink&linkId=22774127

Not near daddy- out in the Aleutians.

DebinNC

Very good summation, MM, especially coming from the NYT. Depending on where you live and personal life experiences, different things in it would stick out. For me, it was Paul Ryan's "That's not who we are" response to the idea of helping struggling Americans and small business owners who haven't benefitted from the R agenda's tax cuts for the wealthy fetish the last decade. Ryan, raised in solidly middle class, overwhelmingly white WI, doesn't have a clue about the people or problems in GA.

Miss Marple 2

Morning, Deb!

Apparently, we aren't the only ones who noticed stuff like that. Apparently the Wisconsin presidential primary is in March, but the primary for other offices is in August:

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/mar/28/paul-ryan-faces-primary-challenge-wealthy-business/#.VvjAF8iDFvM.twitter

RIF

"Apparently the Wisconsin presidential primary is in March"

Here's hoping all Trump supporters show up in March to vote in the Wisconsin presidential primary.

henry

Miss M, the presidential primary is the same day as the Spring "non-partisan" election (WI SC, lots of mayors, county execs, and judges)- April 5. Primaries for November partisan offices are in August. (Except for President as noted).

As far as a "businessman to be named later"... chances are slim to none of unseating Ryan. Too many of my neighbors default to the incumbent. (Which is why Van Wanggaard won his primary over a Tea Party challenger).

James D

This is so telling, from the end of the article MM linked:

In Mississippi and Michigan, both of which Mr. Trump won, six in 10 Republican primary voters said that free trade cost the country more jobs that it produced, exit polls showed.

But it has done little to convince Republican leaders that they need to rethink their approach or devise new proposals for blue-collar workers who are hurting.

Of course not. Why would the GOP leadership change it's approach. It's been working so well.

A big chunk of their voters are in revolt.

A candidate they fear and despise is currently the frontrunner for their presidential nomination.

They spent $125 million for their preferred candidate to get less than 5% of the primary vote.

Why would they change their thinking now, right?

Miss Marple 2

RIF,

I should have said April. I wasn't processing because am just now starting on my 2nd cup of coffee. I am sure Wisconsin voters know when the elections are.

James D

Why Trump is leading in the primaries, reason #103:

I think it says a lot about the conscience of Washington D.C. how many hours we’ve spent discussing a retweet. And it would be nice if one-tenth the outrage that has been spent in feigned indignation over this retweet had instead been spent this summer when Kate Steinle was murdered in cold blood by an illegal immigrant in San Francisco. Congress did nothing when an American citizen was murdered and died in her father’s arms in cold blood.

Hard to argue with that.

Miss Marple 2

Food snobs oppose Trump:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/food/trump-can-afford-to-eat-the-finest-food-instead-he-eats-the-most-generic/2016/03/24/63aedb18-eaf0-11e5-bc08-3e03a5b41910_story.html

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

Per the LAT, Hillary will not be prosecuted because she didn't really do anything illegal, unlike Petraeus whose crimes "were far more serious".
And you thought she wouldn't be prosecuted because she and the system are corrupt.
Silly.

Buckeye

Why would they change their thinking now, right?

They won't change their thinking.

If Mrs. Buckeye's relatives are an indicator, they are your grandpa's Buick.

I'm sure the baby boomer segment of this crowd would score below 25 on the bubble test we took last night.

Agility and thinking "outta the box" just not who they are.

DebinNC

Anyone tried to buy a good sofa since the NC furniture industry was forced to shut down? It's not only the 1000s of previously employed blue collar workers that got shafted, it's also we furniture buyers who now must either buy junk furniture made overseas, pay outrageous amounts, or, like me at the moment, search Craigslist for quality sofas of yore that can be recovered. Smith Brothers in Indiana is one of the few remaining makers of good sofas in the quasi-reasonable price range that I've discovered. Blue collar job losses affect far more people than the workers.

James D

No doubt, Buckeye.

But the thing is, even if they don't change their policies, they have a crying need to change how they promote them to voters.

I get why the GOP would be unwilling to change positions on free trade, but it's clearly a matter of concern to a lot of voters, and failing to address those concerns will kill them in November.

Neo

John Kerry Says World Leaders Are 'Shocked' ... by GOP Campaign Rhetoric

"Everywhere I go, every leader I meet, they ask about what is happening in America," Kerry told CBS's Face the Nation on Sunday. "They cannot believe it. I think it is fair to say that they're shocked. They don't know where it's taking the United States of America. And to some degree I must say to you, some of the questions, the way they're posed to me, it's clear to me that what's happening is an embarrassment to our country."

... this seems to be a perfect description of Obama's foreign policy. The author then proceeds to cast blame ...
Although he didn’t mention anyone by name, it seemed evident Kerry was referring to the rhetoric in the GOP camp with Sen. Ted Cruz and Donald Trump calling for greater surveillance of Muslim communities.,
... but seems to miss the target completely.

Denial is in Egypt I'm told.

Buckeye

DebinNC

A few years ago, Mrs. Buckeye's 20 year old dryer started screeching and of course yours truly is Mr. Fixit at our house.

Went to the appliance parts store to get new rollers for the drum. Told the guy behind the counter the model # and he said "whatever you do, keep it running. the new junk won't last 5 years"

LaZBoy still makes furniture here with good quality, but pricey and a little dull design wise.

NK

hat Prof Vladeck is some kind of shill for Hilligula. People pay tuition to pay his salary? Of course I'm sure he gets nice honoraria from the Fundacion Clintonista.

jimmyk

I get why the GOP would be unwilling to change positions on free trade, but it's clearly a matter of concern to a lot of voters, and failing to address those concerns will kill them in November.

Agreed, James D. I am a free trader, but the GOP needs to communicate better on this issue. We regulate and tax our domestic businesses to death, it becomes tempting to scapegoat trade when it is more our own policies that are doing the damage. Failing to speak to people's concerns in an honest way is a prescription for political death.

At the same time, telling people that the it's the government's job to protect them from the marketplace is IMO the wrong message for the GOP. How do you square attacking individual dependency while encouraging corporate dependency?

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

Free trade and tax cuts are being blamed for the ills caused by gigantic government, overregulation and terrible, destructive fiscal and monetary policy.

Restrict trade and refuse to reform taxes further without fixing what is actually wrong and we will have bled a patient as a treatment for anemia.

What will be the solution to revive the pale corpse on the slab? More government.

jimmyk

Went to the appliance parts store to get new rollers for the drum. Told the guy behind the counter the model # and he said "whatever you do, keep it running. the new junk won't last 5 years"

I've had the same experience. We've kept our 14-year-old laundry equipment going with duct tape and prayers (and expensive repairs) because we hear such bad things about the current products.

Captain Hate

jimmyk is correct; the GOP has lost the ability to address issues in a way that appeals to voters because they've made it clear that they only care about the donor class.

sbw

How many points do I get for giving up on the first question of the test?

Miss Marple 2

Deb,

I noticed the beginning of the trend back in the 90's, when I was working at what had previously been a high-end furniture store. All of a sudden the owners started buying cheap sofas like Kloussner and non-name brands which were really made poorly. (Rickety frames, patterns not matched, no welted seams, etc.)

The explanation was that they wanted to get beginning households who couldn't afford the higher end. Well, knowing the owners like I did, I assumed the real reason was the better profit marging.

Anyway, what buyer is going to order a thousand-dollar sofa when there is one right there on the showroom floor (and in stock for immediate delivery) for $399? Maybe only 1 in 50 would care about the quality.

I do the same thing as you, especially on case goods. You might also try a local auction house. At the one I have gone to I have seen sofas go for $50.

I also saw a Henredon Pierre Deux French country armoir so for $75. It had been debuted when I worked at the furniture store and its original price was $10,000.

DebinNC

Buckeye, Lazy-Boy is a name which will forever live in infamy imo. They bought and then ruined previously reliable brands like Clayton Marcus and Pennsylvania House. JMO, but I'd avoid anything by Lazy-Boy completely.

NK

jimmyk-- 30 years of evidence is in. worldwide markets has driven down USA wages for HS grads/dropouts. Period. 'Policy' positions are irrelevant, markets trump policy. Are USA workers strong enough to accept that they must keep adapting and learning to maintain their standard of living? Will Big Corps leave a few dollars on the balance sheet to keep their main customers employed? The Fed Guv can help by getting out of the way; slashing corporate tax rates and slashing thousands of pages from the IRS Code and slashing enviro and Obamacare mandates which are taxes on employment. The rest is up to employers and workers.

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

Which test SB? Bristol Myers Squibb or the hick/plutocrat one?

jimmyk

And here's an egregious example of the GOP sacrificing its principles (assuming it ever had any):

http://www.buffalonews.com/city-region/politics/state-gop-open-to-minimum-wage-raise-in-exchange-for-small-business-breaks-20160323

Of course the NY state GOP has always been a joke.

James D

At the same time, telling people that the it's the government's job to protect them from the marketplace is IMO the wrong message for the GOP. How do you square attacking individual dependency while encouraging corporate dependency?

It's a tough issue, I agree. But that's why the consultants are experts and genuises and are paid tens of millions of dollars - to come up with those answers.

But also, I do think that, when government is the one changing the marketplace, there is a responsibility there to help the people who will lose out.

If we trade with a country that doesn't have the same environmental protections that we do, and nothing is done to adjust for that, then companies here are at a huge disadvantage.

If we trade with a country that actively uses its intelligence services to provide competitive advantage for its companies against American companies, while our government doesn't do that (and doesn't/can't protect its own companies from foreign espionage) then our companies are at a disadvantage.

If we trade with a country that doesn't honor intellectual property agreements, while our government does, that puts our companies at a disdadvantage.

If we trade with a country where the average wage for factory work is $2/day, all our companies are at a massive disadvantage.

I don't consider any of those scenarios "free trade." And the vast majority of Americans don't, either.

Captain Hate

Thank you, sbw; I looked at that and thought "how could I possibly know that" and just stopped and did something else that wasn't so much a waste of time.

DebinNC

MM, I agree. You're definitely preaching to the choir here. I've never even attended an auction, other than the Amazon version, but in person, frenetic bidding is my idea of hell.

narciso

Vladeck is the new chimp back in the 90s it was Steven gillen, who white washed redqueen, oddly it's a like doc Brown supporter like silverstein who turned up her part in the tirado, whose branches that reach to the medici and barbour's shop.

narciso

Ah the new york leg, another den of scum and villainy, trading cows for magic beans.

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

--Worldwide markets has driven down USA wages for HS grads/dropouts. Period. 'Policy' positions are irrelevant, markets trump policy.--

And how have you teased out the effects of immigration and free money causing simultaneously asset bubbles and unsustainable debt along with deflationary pressures elsewhere?

The history of the world is increasing technology and trade leading to a rising tide of productivity for everyone.

All boats are not rising because the tide of wealth is no longer rising. Instead we're treading water in a sea of red ink while the guys in the yachts bob along happy as clams.

jimmyk

All boats are not rising because the tide of wealth is no longer rising. Instead we're treading water in a sea of red ink while the guys in the yachts bob along happy as clams.

You have a gift, Iggy.

narciso

Ah the bezos also makes excuses for red queen, are the laws optional, rhetorical question, ask David Gregory.

Captain Hate

But also, I do think that, when government is the one changing the marketplace, there is a responsibility there to help the people who will lose out.

Unless you repeal Sarbanes Oxley and Dodd Frank, passed with the complicity of RINOs, and geld the EPA, you have a culture of increasing dependency that will stunt economic growth. The GOP badly needs a Jack Kemp type figure; I was hoping Ryan would fill that need but the statists made sure that was in vain.

NK

GDP boat has been rising, and certainly money changer Yachts have been rising. So 'wealth' has indeed been rising for 30+ years. However, wealth has been untethered from 'national' wealth as capital and labor move seemlessly across borders, with minor exceptions like NorK, Cuba and Burma. Open Borders Immigration and national debt mongering are consequences of wide open trade, not the the cause. No cause/effect teasing out needed there. Pat Buchanan pushed back against this Reagan/Bush open trade interconnected world 35 years ago. I still think economic nationalism is loser, but the costs to USA workers of wide open trade can no longer be ignored.

DebinNC

This WH BOzo vanity video might surpass them all, as it's not easy to politicize the "Easter egg roll" taking place there today.

narciso

Yes it's just terms of more paperwork, which apparently failed in the next crisis, because the diligence and fidelity are a thing of the past.

Appalled

James D (quoting):

I think it says a lot about the conscience of Washington D.C. how many hours we’ve spent discussing a retweet. And it would be nice if one-tenth the outrage that has been spent in feigned indignation over this retweet had instead been spent this summer when Kate Steinle was murdered in cold blood by an illegal immigrant in San Francisco. Congress did nothing when an American citizen was murdered and died in her father’s arms in cold blood.

I agree with the thrust (if not quite all the blood and thunder) of this quote. Problem is, Trump is exploiting this particular cultural failure brilliantly. So -- yes, thunder on. But recognize who doesn't want to talk about the issues, really, because that discussion doesn't help him all that much.

And when is the last time Trump used his considerable media power to turn attention on Sanctuary Cities? Like, pressure Congress to make the President actually, um, enforce the law?

Miss Marple 2

Ignatz,

I do know about the furniture industry.

First of all, when I was working the average mark-up on a piece of furniture like a sofa was 300%. This is because unlike clothing, the average sofa is replaced only every 7 years, and the average dining room only every 25 years.

Second, back in the late 80's the furniture manufacturers like Thomasville (primarily case goods) were forced by the EPA to go to water-based finishes due to environmental regulations. This had the unfortunate effect of making less durable finishes while imported pieces were still using the old lacquers, giving them an advantage.

Third, labor costs for furniture are incredibly high. Much of the work cannot be easily automated and it is highly detailed, at least if you want something with cabriole legs or hand-carving. Advantage again to imports.

A lot of retailers like mine started picking up the import lines due to the lower costs (way lower) and the ability to do a 400% profit on a lot of them. The price to the consumer was attractive and since the lower end people were able to buy these, the push then became "At this price you can change your look every couple of years.) You can see the advantage in that to the retailer.

The rise of container ships also made it cheaper to ship furniture here.

So, the furniture industry was hit by both domestic policies (EPA, pressure from retailers) and unfair labor competition from places like China, Indonesia, and the Philippines.

Americans have to understand what they are trading away when they buy less expensive imported goods. A generation of true craftsmen in North Carolina lost their jobs, as well as those from companies in Michigan and upstate New York.

I do not think this is a good thing.

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

Kurt Schlichter with a brilliant article that finally uses a plausible analogy for Trump.
For America, the Fall of the Roman Empire Is the Best Case Scenario

narciso

So James d inspired me to try my Arabian departed take together, then I ran into problems, when to start the tale, because obviously the double agent had not been active for one year.

jimmyk

If we trade with a country where the average wage for factory work is $2/day, all our companies are at a massive disadvantage.

I don't consider any of those scenarios "free trade." And the vast majority of Americans don't, either.

That last one I do consider free trade. Those $2/day workers are using their hands and primitive tools, while our $30/hour workers have equipment and technology that makes them 15 times as productive. I will grant that there may be some issues around the edges with some of the other things you raise, but the vast tide of history is largely not one country stealing another's business by ignoring environmental concerns. It's some completely destitute country finally figuring out that free markets work, so that their populations can go from $100/year to $100/month incomes producing simple things like textiles and toys, while advanced countries turn their attention to producing complex products advancing technology. It's been going on for 200 years.

Art in Newport

Narciso, just catching up. One of them, Batman is standing on a raised platform looking across an empty plain at a burning city. On the plain is carved an immense omega sign. This is the motif of Darkseid, and foreshadows him as the next major villian. Got that from Screen Rant.

Have to get going. And INTP.

narciso

No we're still in late republic phase, we took on jugurtha ubl and mitjridates is next, that will be a long slog, and of we have time we'll tangle with the cimbri.

DebinNC

Remember the singing "Look for the union label" gals from 1981? I remember being completely turned off by it and resolving not to buy anything with that label. I was raising/home-schooling our children while my non-union teacher husband was making far less than those women. I think a "buy American" campaign might work well now if the workers were non-unionized Americans. I'd be willing to pay more in that case.

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

Generations of guys lost their jobs skewering mammoths when agriculture was invented.
Generations of guys who dug up fields with shovels lost their jobs when the plow was invented.
Generations of guys walking behind plows lost their jobs when tractors were invented.

Innovation, productivity growth and identifying unrealized value IS wealth creation. You can either participate in those or you can stick your finger in the dyke you choose to hide behind.
But if you choose the latter don't be surprised when a wall of water, that is the implacable market, tops the dyke and drowns you.

narciso

Yes, i referred to screen rant, why I still don't want to see a film with any adams, Diane land andgail gadot, they are as breathless as politico.

The point being, this is a vision, like that the twins put in Tony star's head, with equally disastrous consequences.

jimmyk

I suspect sbw was talking about the bubble test. I struggled with that first question too. The Meyers-Briggs stuff is navel-gazing. I also rolled my eyes when an employer foisted it on us many years ago. It's not entirely for individuals, sort of like those aptitude tests they used to give school kids to tell them what careers they should consider.

James D

Appalled @ 10:05

My point is not that Trump is doing the right thing, or that he should be praised.

The point is that the GOP utterly failed to address that situation at all, leaving it wide open for Trump. And the GOP leadership continues to refuse to address their myriad failures throughout the campaign, or even consider the possibility that they've failed on any level.

You and everyone who hates/fears Trump can complain about him until the cows come home, but until the RNC and the lavishly paid genius consultants take a good hard look at the many mistakes they've made, and start rectifying them, the campaign will keep heading in the same direction it's going now.

Miss Marple 2

Funny you should say that, Ignatz. I read the whole thing.

Seems to me that while one can make the case for Trump being Caesar, one could also make the case of him being Cincinnatus.

narciso

Did you get all that, the education courses I did take did give a glimpse into the coding of the malware, in the magic beans.

jimmyk

Generations of guys lost their jobs skewering mammoths when agriculture was invented.

Heh, if only we'd had the EPA/FWS around they could have protected those mammoths from extinction and we'd still be at it.

Julian Simon is the go-to guy for this stuff.

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

We'll have to pass him to find out what's in him, MM.
Whether passing him will be more like a law [Cinncinatus] or a kidney stone [Caesar] remains to be seen.

Captain Hate

Soooo we need Smoot-Hawley 2 to fix everything?

narciso

Take sb 1070, Arizona those without the rosetta, the top men ran way like scalded dogs while the regime went to work, in the media and through lawfare.

narciso

Unfortunately Julian is dead, ehrlich is still kicking and his mad scientist pal is in the white house.

Miss Marple 2

Ignatz,

The vast majority of people in this country cannot change their jobs and skills easily, pick up families and migrate cross country, and do this on nothing more than a pittance of savings and a low unemployment check.

Maybe industries rise and fall according to the market, but what about the people? What about the people who see their life savings evaporate, who lose their homes? What about men forced to start over at age 55, who don't have a prayer of a retirement without penury?

I will not accept that there are not solutions to this besides "every man for himself." In many cases our government has promoted this typeof trade.

And, let me tell you, that huge Apple plant in China isn't run by peasants with primitive tools. Give me a break.

narciso

The way stories are described is the most unimaginative, clearly we are dealing with several cells in brussels, the fact that They are brothers not the tequila they have displayed in determinative.

sbw

Ig: hick/plutocrat one

That one.

narciso

Well I. Europe they turn to the front nationale, and likewise actions, the Tories are a barely disguised shell of themselves.

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

Georgia governor to veto religious liberty bill.
The left will now cheer giant corporations throwing their weight around when it's for stuff they support.

narciso

Not to go all Godwin but ford, sloan, and the Rockefellers found the company of their German counterparts more agreeble then their countrymen

jimmyk

Unfortunately Julian is dead

But his website lives on :)

http://www.juliansimon.com/

narciso

Rse told us he was a feckless wombat, but he was the designated lizard.

Appalled

Miss M:

Maybe industries rise and fall according to the market, but what about the people? What about the people who see their life savings evaporate, who lose their homes? What about men forced to start over at age 55, who don't have a prayer of a retirement without penury?

I will not accept that there are not solutions to this besides "every man for himself." In many cases our government has promoted this typeof trade.

Eloquent. It could have been said by Bernie Sanders.

Ultimately, you can't keep industries going on forever if people don't want to pay for the product. A $5,000 sofa is a better product, I'm sure, but if I can get one at Rooms to Go for $500, and the alternative is to sit on the floor -- don't I, as a consumer, have rights too?

NK

Immigration/Open Borders/Standard of living for workers these are the manifestations of the issue of our times, which is rapid tech/communication/free capital flow which makes economic 'players' detached from the USA as a home. Oh they love the property rights here and still relatively low taxes, but they owe no allegiance to the rank and file American. In fact they want to make us serfs. We hoya poli need to demand they allegiance, and their investment and their loyalty, or they forfeit the protection of our laws and freedom. That said, we owe the players a better business environment, less regs, a sane tax code and a workforce that is legitimately educated. This has to go both ways.

jimmyk

that huge Apple plant in China isn't run by peasants with primitive tools. Give me a break.

Of course I was giving the extreme case, but relatively speaking, those plants are very labor intensive. Is this what what we should have here?

narciso

The Chinese after the mao interlude saw the robber barons, the only capitalism they were exposed to, and thought we can do that.

NK

Loyalty to an international cabal of Nazis? Prince of Wakes/ King Edward was such a traitor. Fortunately Britain also had Churchill who was a Brit patriot, even though his beloved mother was from Brooklyn.

NK

wakes = wales

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

--The vast majority of people in this country cannot change their jobs and skills easily, pick up families and migrate cross country, and do this on nothing more than a pittance of savings and a low unemployment check.--

When has that ever been easy and when has it ever not been necessary? For most of history it was done with no savings, no unemployment and on the back of an ox.

--What about men forced to start over at age 55, who don't have a prayer of a retirement without penury?--

After 14 years in court with my psycho brother that's essentially what I'm doing.
You do what you have to do.

When we protect our kids from life they are weaker for it and end up dependents living in an unreal world that they fail at, even though they may feel more secure.
If the state takes on that enabling parental role for its citizens the same thing happens.

narciso

Devils advocate, nk, why do that They for the most part finance the opposition to a transparent regime.

narciso

You answered your own question, nk, and it wasn't just those outliers.

Buckeye

DebinNC

Watched the Easter Egg hunt at the WH video. Made me wanna puke.

Would it make me a bad person if I said I really wouldn't want LGBT SJW types anywhere near my kids??

pagar a bacon,  country ham and sausage supporter

Thanks Ignatz for the 9:19 link.

"Per the LAT, Hillary will not be prosecuted because she didn't really do anything illegal, unlike Petraeus whose crimes "were far more serious".

On a scale of one to a million IMO, Hillary's email acts were a million times worse.

NK

well, that's what has to change isn't it? Personally, I think the Bezos and Blankfeins and Apples and certainly the holly/academics in the citizen of the world crowd are cowards and pussies. Order them to chose America or lose its protection, and they will fold. The hoya poli need a political mechanism to push that (no it's not Trump) I thought the Wisconsin Boys (Walker, Johnson and Ryan) could lead the GOP there.

Buckeye

If the state takes on that enabling parental role for its citizens the same thing happens.

It is even worse because the state insists on "compliance" more strongly than most parents.

NK

The state v. parents? The state does not love you as your parents do. The state is more like the benevolent slave owner.

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

--Order them to chose America or lose its protection, and they will fold.--

You got that right only not in the way you mean.
They'll fold when more efficient and competitive competitors gobble them up.

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

--The state is more like the benevolent slave owner.-

OK, protectionism is worse than an indulgent parent; it's a form of slavery.
Are you arguing against me or for me?

NK

Carrots and sticks is the normal course of negotiation . I am frankly surprised you consider the citizen of the world players and would be oligarchs as being as benign as you seem to. I don't consider them as evil and hold them in the contempt that others here do, but I have no illusions that if they could they would make us all serfs. They need to be pushed, they don't want to go to Putin or the ChiComs or the Utopians, they will accommodate regular Americans' demands, IF regular Americans bite the bullet and give up entitlement fantasies. Besides, pushing back against them and promoting a more broad based economy and wealth model will create American competitors to these players, getting to a better result in a different way.

Miss Marple 2

Ignatz,

Do not lecture me about starting over. I am doing it right now at age 67. I have more resources than most of these people, as I saw a way to use eBay to keep my head above water.

Of course, what I am going to do when I am too old to drive and haul boxes, I don't know. Maybe I can be a poor relation to one of my sisters and live in a spare room.

This attitude that all it takes is some gumption to start over is just hogwash. These guys cannot take a horse and wagon out West and homestead. Many have gone to the Bakken oil fields, but those are now laying off, too.

And what about the families left behind, the houses unmarketable because no one wants to buy in the small towns where the mines or factories were?

First guys like you complain about mooches who take government money. Then you tout policies that make it darn near impossible for people to find work that will support their families.

Next you will accuse these same people of being feckless for having mortgages they can't afford to pay, and then complaints that their kids borrow money to get some schooling.

For a lot of American workers, this type of stuff makes them feel like conservatives want them as a dog to kick, no matter the issue.

James D

When has that ever been easy and when has it ever not been necessary? For most of history it was done with no savings, no unemployment and on the back of an ox.

True.

But that is not a winning electoral message to tens of millions of people who have had a decent standard of living and reasonable stability for their whole life.

And I don't know that there is an industry on the horizon that will absorb even a fraction of those people.

Yes, the buggy whip makers got put out of business, but there were new industries that didn't require advanced degrees and could be filled by people with high school-level educations.

Everyone is not cut out to be an app developer or other "creative" type. And all the education in the world won't change that.

If our party's message is: get used to a poorer, more stressful, less secure future for you and your children, we are goimng to lose, badly.

DrJ

MM and Iggy,

--What about men forced to start over at age 55, who don't have a prayer of a retirement without penury?--

After 14 years in court with my psycho brother that's essentially what I'm doing.
You do what you have to do.

I did too, though it was a bit before 50. What I'm doing now is totally self-taught, and I'd never dreamed (or had a nightmare!) of running a company.

Yup, you do what you have to do.

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

No human is wholly benign and some of the least benign are capitalists. I put not my faith in princes or the sons of men.

Free markets master all men and force them to be benevolent neighbors who must provide a good or service to their fellow man at a price they will voluntarily pay.
That is why free markets are hated by oligarchs, capitalists and the state alike; they minimize their power over their fellow man, instead devolving ultimate power to the individual in voluntary, mutually beneficial, unregulated exchange.
Free trade is part of a free market.

Miss Marple 2

So, Dr. J., what would you do if you had little savings left, no advanced degree, a family of young children, and you lived in one of these mining towns?

Of course, you would take a job at Wal-Mart maybe eventually you could be dock foreman! (That is, if there is a Wal-Mart near you and it isn't already fully staffed.) Whoo-hoo!

Because you are not going to be able to sell your house, you don't want your credit ruined by a foreclosure, so you take the Wal-Mart job.

And for the rest of your life, instead of making $50,000 or more a year with your wife at home, you work your crappy Wal-Mart job AND your wife works at the Quickie-Mart, which scares you to death because of robberies, but you have 3 kids to feed and she can't get a job anywhere else. That dream vacation to Disney World you always promised your kids? Forget it.

On days off you pick through garage sales looking for clothes for the kids. You go to the cheapest grocery (probably Wal-Mart where you get a 10% discount). You worry that Wal-Mart might lay off because of declining sales, and then what will you do?

I just am amazed at people who think starting over is possible for these folks. They do, but it's never going to bring them the life-style they had. Not by a long shot.

Michael (fpa Patriot4Freedom)

Per the LAT, Hillary will not be prosecuted because she didn't really do anything illegal, unlike Petraeus whose crimes "were far more serious".
And you thought she wouldn't be prosecuted because she and the system are corrupt. Silly.
Posted by: Ignatz Ratzkywatzky | March 28, 2016 at 09:19 AM


"Legal experts said Petraeus’ actions were far more serious than anything Clinton is accused of doing. Clinton’s emails, even those later deemed classified, were sent to aides cleared to read them, for example, and not private citizens, they said."

Those *legal experts* must be Hil-LIAR-y's personal lawyers.
Sidney Blumenthal, anyone?
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Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

-- I am doing it right now at age 67.--

Well, I'm doing it right now at 57 and you're probably doing it with more resources than I am.

--First guys like you complain about mooches who take government money.--

I try not to. What I complain about instead is a system that makes becoming a government dependent seem like a rational economic choice when in fact it is destructive in the long term.

-- Then you tout policies that make it darn near impossible for people to find work that will support their families.--

I believe you are mistaken why that has occurred. Free trade agreements happened concurrently with massive growth in government regulation, a tidal wave of illegal and legal immigrants and basically insane monetary policies and the public and private debt binges and asset bubbles that those policies created. as a result productivity growth has flattened and malinvestments have proliferated.

With a simplified tax code, deregulation, a temporary moratorium on immigration and a shut down of illegal immigration and a Fed that was intent only on a stable strong currency you would see wealth at all levels increase.
Were we to actually cut the nanny state down to size wealth would expand dramatically at all levels.

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