I Would Say This Captures It

The Ace is a tough grader on the debate last night. [Link corrected.]

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[squaredance]

Bad link?

[Captain Hate]

Here's the right link which is pretty funny, especially about the mailman's son:

http://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=361934

[DebinNC]

Ace's Debate Scorecard

Sorry, TM, if that's not what you meant.

[henry]

I though Ace went easy on Trump...

[_peter]

speaking of bad links, if you want James D to have a book trailer (which I don't even know what the heck that is) you have to put up a voting link not a results link.

[Threadkiller]

Cruz’s new spokesman Ron Nehring, who served as the previous chairman of the California Republican Party, was “busted” for hiring an illegal immigrant who had been ordered to be deported by the Federal government, had failed to complete an I-9 form, and even sued the U.S. government in a multi-million-dollar wrongful arrest lawsuit. Nehring himself had directly hired the illegal immigrant to serve as chief executive of the Republican Party and to run party operations, including the handling of confidential information.

The illegal immigrant hire wasn’t Nehring’s only snafu.

Nehring also caused controversy when he hired another immigrant from Canada...

http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/ted-cruzs-new-spokesman-busted-hiring-illegal-immigrants/

Cruz control

[_peter]

Continued playing to his core supporters of artisinal bong craftsmen and elderly public masturbators.

Poaching Bernie's constituency.

[Marlene]

Former Maine Senator and former Secretary of Defense Bill Cohen said on CNN yesterday that a President Trump could violate international law and order war crimes,based on Trump's foreign policy views.

[James D]

Peter, here's the link:

http://www.easypolls.net/poll.html?p=56d261bae4b01668ec061dbf

[henry]

_peter, the results link is the voting link... you just have a cookie leftover from your prior vote. (the cookies "prevent" multiple voting, unless by some scheme they are erased)

[Michael (fpa Patriot4Freedom)]

JiB - Glad to hear you're getting better, and coming closer to busting out of the big house.

_ _ _ _ _ _

sbw - Best of luck in pursuing the appointment to the Regents. I think you have much to offer them, and would make a terrific Regent.

Just wish that I had some way to cast multiple votes for you in the tradition of our support for JamesD. :)

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[Old Lurker]

Bill Cohen....

Another one.

[DebinNC]

Ace gave Rubio an A- ? And Kasich a B that he made sound like a D? I'd like to know more about Ace's background to understand where he's coming from, because we watched different debates.

[henry]

Deb, the grades follow the write-ups. The do not precede them...

[DebinNC]

Doesn't uber-Cruz supporter Glenn Beck own The Blaze?

[jimmyk]

Except for Trump's which was "off the charts."

[Captain Hate]

Yes, Bill Cohen, the bastard spawn of Nelson Rockefeller who helped Slick gut the military and was ignorant enough to believe him about Monica. Portrait of RINO perfidy.

[Jack is Back!]

14279

James @ 61%. Tasman @ 37%

Thanks, Michael.

[Truthbetold]

The Cohen Group got a piece of every dollar spent reconstructing Iraq

[Threadkiller]

"Megyn Kelly asked about highly-skilled immigration. The H-1B program is neither high-skilled nor immigration: these are temporary foreign workers, imported from abroad, for the explicit purpose of substituting for American workers at lower pay. I remain totally committed to eliminating rampant, widespread H-1B abuse and ending outrageous practices such as those that occurred at Disney in Florida when Americans were forced to train their foreign replacements. I will end forever the use of the H-1B as a cheap labor program, and institute an absolute requirement to hire American workers first for every visa and immigration program. No exceptions."

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/donald-j.-trump-position-on-visas

[Captain Hate]

I'd like to know more about Ace's background

Pretty funny guy with some overwhelming blind spots: obnoxiously ignorant about religion, hates/afraid of women, cultural tastes of a barbarian.

[squaredance]

"artisinal bong craftsmen"

lol. Too funny. I'm using that.

[_peter]

artisanal

[James D]

It looks like about a 3,700 vote lead, which is nice but who knows what the Australians might have planned for the last 36 hours of the voting?

[DebinNC]

Deb, the grades follow the write-ups. The do not precede them...

Thanks, henry. So Ace gave Kasich a D, and Rubio a B. Ugh.

[squaredance]

yes peter, and I think you made another mistake: should that not be "craftperson"?

Really now...

[Porchlight]

When does voting close, James? I think we should try to plan for fending off a late surge.

[henry]

maybe insert digideroo festival vids into Tasman's twitter stream to interrupt their vote surge.

[DublinDaveForever]

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[Porchlight]

Ha, henry.

[DublinDaveForever]

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[DublinDaveForever]

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[Rick Ballard]

Henry,

He was a little soft but as TM notes, the soft critique does capture the essence of Trump.

[DublinDaveForever]

JOBS

[squaredance]

Just great...recursive DD.

[James D]

Porch @ 9:33

Saturday at 11 PM Eastern.

[Dave (in MA)]

Let's hope it doesn't go into recursive Hasselhoff territory.

[squaredance]

Dave: Maybe it is just inbreeding finally surfacing.

[Dave (in MA)]

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[Mrs Crabapple]

Ted Cruz Extra Credit Grade:

Booger Eating A+

[Porchlight]

Thanks James! I'm on it.

[DublinDaveForever]

Labor participation numbers have dramatically improved this month.

[Aces Biographer]

" I'd like to know more about Ace's background"

He's mostly known for being fat, boozing, writing rambling posts and saying stupid shit. Oh, and he is a big fan of Mitt Romney.

[Rick Ballard]

Marlene,

Cohen cannot argue that reprisal killing is not effective. The Czech resistance was effectively stifled after Lidice and both the French and Italian partisans were noted for selecting targets far from each unit's area of domicile due to reluctance to put families and friends at risk.

[Appalled]

TK:

I find myself agreeing with the Donald whole-heartedly on his 9:19. It does happen (and the H-1B visa program is about as close to indentured servitude for the folks imported as things get).

[narciso]

Well we need not go Goodwin rick, examples have been done in other places, after all the vapors over Abu Ghraib I'm a little nonplussed.

[narciso]

Congrats sbw.

[narciso]

Cohen previously known for some bad potboiler he wrote with hartpence.

[Rick Ballard]

Narciso,

Reprisal killings were also common in Japanese controlled territory, it wasn't just the Germans, the Germans were just notorious for the 'just following orders' defense. I suppose the best current example would be the IS in every area which they have controlled.

[jimmyk]

I disagree with Trump (and Appalled) on H1-Bs. In most cases, the primary impact of keeping them out is that the work will move out of the country. In my experience, they don't come in at lower pay; if anything higher, because they are the best for the job.

All immigration is not harmful. Letting people in who either don't share our values, or who want to freeload, is a problem. Letting people come in illegally is a problem. But if you want companies to move their abroad where the best people are because they can't bring them here, by all means agree with Trump.

[Captain Hate]

I agree with jimmyk on the H1-Bs but would also point out that Gates favors expanding them while shoveling money at public schools to guarantee an inferior domestic work force. Nobody ever calls him out on that.

The Horde is the best:

I will deliver adult policies like my Daddy delivered adult magazines to the American public.

Posted by: John Kasich at March 04, 2016 09:00 AM

[henry]

The other part of tech H-1Bs, having experienced tech people is not helpful when skills become obsolete in 3-5 years. Skill set match drives a lot of it. Retraining can help, but it you take a massive productivity hit. Frequently the new tech requires assumption sets very different from those of the recent past. Many do not make the transition, and must be replaced (if you can find up to date people anywhere) or the firm will fail.

[Porchlight]

Meanwhile American students are told that they must all get STEM degrees because it is the way of the future. So they do, only to be cast aside in favor of foreign workers or outright offshoring. I understand the fiscal realities for tech companies, but we should be able to do better. I know that much of it is the schools' fault.

[narciso]

Meanwhile more suppressed documents show boko's direct tie to ubl.

[jimmyk]

CH: Gates, Zuckerberg, Buffett, and lots of other billionaires all got Chomsky Disease: Thinking that success in some endeavor makes you a Great Thinker in All Things. Blech.

[Rick Ballard]

Encouraging the use of H1-Bs to create a rotating scribal class which does not have the means or communication skills to even approach venture capitalists who might fund a startup seems to be a rather effective means of achieving the stasis sought by Gates and Cook.

It's not a novel means but it has proven very effective in the past.

[henry]

Porch, in working with the tech schools (ie 2 yr programs) what I find is they take a year to propose a new curriculum, a year to develop, then two years to produce anyone. That is 4 years from discovering a need to producing a skilled graduate -- in the best case. Thus their product is typically at least 1 year obsolete on the tech side. The online learning firms take the same courses, and allow people to run through them at the fastest pace they can -- weeks instead of semesters. These self starters make good employees -- they already know to go on their own and learn newer tech. Unfortunately they are hard to find.

[NK]

Jimmyk-- I think that is true for Gates and little Mark. IMO Buffett is flat out predatory, and he is shaping a workforce that profits him most.

[jimmyk]

And agreed that American schools fail on STEM (and most everything else).

[squaredance]

Actually my experience is that if you manage the transition overtly, upgrading skills is very easy. Upgrading business knowledge is another thing.

I will say that in my experience managing technology teams, HB-1 visas are indeed a scam--at least in digital tech. In some other areas like physics (especailly applied to energy), medicine and aerospace it may be less so.

I have manage US teams, mixed onshore, near shore and off shore, and managed on the ground outside of the US. I have yet to encounter substantial improvement from HB-1 programs (and they are programs, or any sort of offshore hybrid.

I have encountered disaster after disaster from hb-1 hires. Generally somewhere things he has found some magic solution to some ill formed "problem", often not technical at all when all is said and done, and has over sold the capacities of the HB-1 program (and now, they do not start these programs as a case of individual placement needs, but as a larger hiring program almost always geared at the bottom line.)

Let us get this clear, while the Left has an ally in the Establishment GOP's desire for cheap labor, the real goal is to destroy the (mostly white) middle class. HB1 visa are a front in this war.

Corporations need to have skin in the game. Even if it were true that foreigners are more qualified--a woefully false assertion--then the onus is in part on the corporate world to do something about this. This is of course what we once did.

This is a nation. It;s labor markets and its citizenry should not up for grabs for corporate utilitarianism.

I think it absurd to assert that we must import labor or else firm will move over seas. I find it absurd both histrionically and intellectually, but if they do send all of their US management packing to where ever they move, and dig up the caskets of their forebears and drop them on their factories--after we have banned their product from our shore, and extracted payment for the taxpayer on all the R&D payed for by the taxpayer that is used in their product.

Globalism does not and cannot work, and we must start rolling it up.

We appear to have forgotten just what a nation is. It is not a land mass to be filled with whatver "demographic" corporate bosses chose.

People back massive taxation from technology development since the cold war with the promise that this would improve the nation's prospects. They are not tax slaves.

Once this was understood. bell Lab for instance had its own streamlined masters and PhD program, famously at Berkeley. IBM did similar things (at a smaller scale) with places like Columbia Univ.

Trump is quite right here.

[Porchlight]

Yep, just more evidence that traditional schooling, even the best schooling, can't keep up. But it was probably always thus with cutting edge tech.

[squaredance]

Henry, if they take 2 years to produce something then there is something wrong with the firms' management, overall employee profile and onboarding process.

[henry]

That's the tech school square, 2 year de3gree is their thing. The market doesn't let me take 2 years to do anything.

[DebinNC]

I wonder what kinds of jobs the kids graduating from public high schools within 10 mi. of last night's debate are prepared for. And if the answer is nearly none, what's the answer?

[narciso]

that is the fundamental question, first you pull out the constructivist malware, that has been collecting for a dozen years,

[DebinNC]

And by "prepared for" I mean what percentage of those Detroit kids are prepared to complete a 2 yr. vocational program at a community college?

[rich@gmu]

jimmyk-

I respectfully disagree (and of course my browser would crash just when I started writing this comment):

If H1Bs were being hired at higher wages then why have wages fallen in STEM fields:

http://spectrum.ieee.org/at-work/education/the-stem-crisis-is-a-myth

And lets not forget the focus on the bottom line as the "great" tech firms got caught in a wage fixing cartel:

http://www.seattletimes.com/business/apple-google-other-tech-firms-to-pay-415m-in-wage-case/

And the doors and windows are left open so as long as you are not an American you can just cheat your way into an academic slot (then after graduation use the OPT then H1 program ...)

http://time.com/3899890/chinese-sat-cheating-conspiracy/

(it was both the SAT and TOFEL in that article and just an example)

[NK]

I wished we lived in the world described by Austin Bay. We don't. The only way Obummer appoints an independent counsel is if OFA decides to destroy the Clintons. National interest means nothing to that crew: http://observer.com/2016/02/hillarys-national-security-crime-needs-a-special-prosecutor/

[rich@gmu]

henry-

from a s/w standpoint?

[Rick Ballard]

The increase in the labor force participation rate indicates success in moving people to work as they time out on EBT receipts. The fact that over 80% of the 'new' jobs were minimum wage reinforces the success of starving the subsidized back to work.

[Thomas Collins]

Here's a plausible scenario: Trump wins Michigan, Rubio wins Florida, Kasich wins Ohio, and Cruz and Trump dominate the other primaries up to March 15th. Bottom line: A brokered convention become a distinct possibility. Trump's possible way to shake up the race: Appear with Susana Martinez and announce she will be his Veep pick. My question: Does the incident described in the article linked below make Martinez too hot to handle?

http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2015/12/24/holiday-party-may-haunt-gop-rising-star-nm-gov-susana-martinez-for-years-to/

[squaredance]

You cannot have a nation where you say to people "fight in our wars, but you children must compete for jobs with foreigners", or pay taxes for government research but your children will have low level jobs".

It will not work. Period.

An no it is not the failures of the schools, there are plenty of talent people. It is globalism pure and simple.

It is a pure excuse, this "knowledge agument".

Goodness, the major Sf tech companies just goit caught colluding on salary caps a couple of years ago (and got a slap on he wrist too). This should tell you everything you need to know about this.

If everything was so wonderful overseas you would see more competition from overseas companies for the likes of google and micro soft. About the only place you see competition for any of these are in China, Korea and Japan, and they have made a point of building up their own peoples skills, or in the case of China excluding American first or forcing them to make R&D investments in their country.

The would "Americans do not have the skills" is nonsense anyway you look at it.

IF they want to be American companies, then they need to be just that.

[henry]

Rich, yes. software.

[narciso]

the reason for that bonus hashtag,

http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2016/03/osama-bin-ladens-files-boko-haram-leader-wanted-to-be-under-one-banner.php

[Miss Marple]

ppagar asked a good question at the end of the last thread:

How many of the new jobs are directly associated with the primaries of both parties?

[rich@gmu]

Posted by: Rick Ballard | March 04, 2016 at 10:55 AM

YIKES.

[jimmyk]

We appear to have forgotten just what a nation is. It is not a land mass to be filled with whatver "demographic" corporate bosses chose.

The problem is not immigration per se, but that we've abandoned the melting pot and instead encourage freeloading, bilingualism, diversity, grievance-mongering, victimization, etc.

[Miss Marple]

Thomas Collins,

I don't think Martinez will be his VP pick. She endorsed Rubio a day or two ago.

[henry]

two cents from our Chitown lurker: Biggest drop in weekly pay backs up what Rick notes, also hours per week fell.

[jimmyk]

rich, re wages I said "in my experience." I'm not in high-tech, I'll let henry and others speak for those industries. But whatever is happening in STEM would happen regardless of H1-Bs. Whether or not "Fortress America" is a good idea, that ship has sailed.

Glad we JOMers can have respectful disagreements here, though.

[narciso]

but wait, didn't they raise the minimum wage, all over the place, asked fox butterfield,

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Zerohedge often demonstrates the folly of untethered libertarianism and the high rate of looniness it draws. Like when they post "fake moon shot" columns and the lunatics outnumber the sane 10-1 in comments.
Stream of consciousness blogging leads to credibility problems regarding all blogging. Why do so many libertarians find it so hard to gasp that while government regulation is usually bad, self regulation is usually not only good but necessary?

[rich@gmu]

henry-

since I'm not at that level can't comment.

was trying to find an article from a few years back about how companies used to have real internal training programs to keep and retain their technical workforce (with the added benefit that they would keep their skill set current) but how that has been gutted and now a luxury good for some marque firms. (iirc the example was General Motors University ...)

[James D]

jimmyk@ 11:09

Exactly!

[narciso]

well I would say hunger games or highlander,

https://pjmedia.com/diaryofamadvoter/2016/03/04/the-republican-debates-as-japanese-theatre/

[maryrose]

S BW
Good luck in the nomination for a Regents position

[NK]

henry/RickB-- this is just another month of rearranging low wage deck chairs on the SS Obummer. Employers will not make significant hiring decisions until they see Obamanomics gone. Until then, they will hire min wage on p/t basis and increasingly f/t so long as the employer mandate is deferred. Obamacare has done a tremendous job of creating p/t jobs to avoid the mandate. Real jobs? same 7 year holding pattern, despite incredibly low energy and interest prices. Obamanomics has made the cost of USA labor too high on the regulatory side, so we get less of it. Much less. And jobs created have artificially low wages to pay for insurance mandates. Then there is the $19T debt.

[James D]

And by "prepared for" I mean what percentage of those Detroit kids are prepared to complete a 2 yr. vocational program at a community college?

What percentage of those kids are prepared for showing up at a job - ANY job - for 8 hours a day, 5 days a week?

What percentage of them are prepared to behave like useful, functioning members of society on any level?

[maryrose]

Jimmyk
It is no longer a melting pot. So true.

[Miss Marple]

James D.

That is the big question. Those kids are doomed almost from the get-go, due to chaotic home lives and terrible schools.

I don't know how to even begin to come at a solution.

[NK]

Ignatz pls: few 'libertarians' are responsible adults like yourself or glenn reynolds. Vast majority of libertarians are in reality libertines. They want the freedom to do whatever they want, and no responsibility for negative consequences. They want someone else to clean up their messes.

[maryrose]

Wasn't there a number on Wed about 6000 more applications for unemployment benefits?

[henry]

Rich, the internal training programs are gone -- other benefits squeezed that out of the budget. We still do some, but it is very limited. Reimbursement for the online courses may make more sense (and fit budgets better), we shall see.

NK, we are on the cusp of massive automation of white collar jobs as well as blue collar. The jobs won't come back even if production does.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Further evidence of our flourishing economy;
In the past year the economy has added 360,000 waiters and 12,000 manufacturing jobs.
Since 2007, 1.6 million more waiters and currently rising, 1.4 million fewer manufacturers and falling.
Guess somebody has to serve drinks to all those unemployed blue collar dudes.

[henry]

Maryrose, our lurking friend offers this clarificatio: Weekly unemployment claims comes out every Thursday. They were up 6K, seasonally adjusted, NOn seasonally adjusted they were +17,553.

[Old Lurker]

360,000 more waiters.

Hmmm.

WSJ today has a story about all the formerly great steakhouses in the vicinity of Wall Street that now are pretty empty at lunchtime because more and more at all levels work through lunch at their desks.

[squaredance]

Well "abandoning"the melting pot was part of the problem of course, assuming of course there was ever such a thing as a "global melting pot" in the USA in the firt place(it may be that it n worked because the pot was mostly European, and we actually shut down immigration during crucial periods).

But you cannot have a "melting pot" when you do not have a nation at all--when you are just a "province" in some sort of globalist rationalization of production.

When we had that "melting pot" before, we were not sending factories and whole industries overseas.

I would suggest the what JK proposes as a cause is rather than effect.

This notion of "immigrants" need to be examined though. Do not forget that the New Deal/ Democrat ascendancy was forged from central European immigrants, and much of the cultural turmoil of the 1950 and 1960s where authored by immigrants, their children, epigones or their disciples in the USA in the post war years. This is particularly true in immigrants that came in in the 1920s through ww2.

There have been many waves of immigration in this country--they are not all equivalent in effects, and the effects of all of these waves are not entirely beneficial.

The Left pushes immigrantion because it worked towards their ascendancy for most of the last century; they did not do it because they cared about America. Yet they seem to get away with using it as a political touch stone.

We should really not let them do this. We need to reappraise what it means as a nation. We cannot do this if we cannot see that the Left os out to destroy the native population of this nation.