Wow. And Ouch.

In the long history of Irish suffering this merits a mention. More here.

Comments

[BlueOx]

Typical Irish. So drunk she can't even stay on her feet at the end.

[Threadkiller]

Same announcer?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wvnP2VwQb6E

[Threadkiller]

LOL, BlueOx!

[Porchlight]

A nice piece from Kudlow, which seems to apply to JOM, if we will let it.

Please let us respect ourselves. Please let us be civil. Please let us talk to each other. Keep the friendships, even while we disagree. It's okay, it's okay, let's try to make it all better. Let's try to make the country better, make the candidates better. I know people believe they are doing good all the time, but somehow, maybe we have to pull back once in a while. It really should be more about policies and not personality.

"And Abram said unto Lot, let there be no strife, I pray thee between me and thee, and between thy herdmen and my herdmen, for we be brethren."

My conservative friends: All of you, including me, let us be brethren.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/04/25/larry_kudlow_a_plea_to_my_conservative_brethren.html

[Jack is Back!]

I had to watch that race 3 times to believe it. It seems to me that the Irish Olymic Committee needs to sit down and evaluate who they want on their team. The so-called "future Olympian" was passed like she was standing still.

TK,

One of the delights of spending 6 years in the UK was watching Phil Taylor ruin everyones beer drinking by dominating the dart world. He was unbeatable back in the late 90's early 00's. And the only reason it was interesting was those commentators bringing it as if it was the last period of the 7th game of the Stanley Cup finals tied up 3-3:)

[Jack is Back!]

...Olympic committee...

[jimmyk]

Dare I point out that the winner's name is "Phil"?

(Ok, probably short for Philomena or Philippa.)

[Buckeye]

I ran on a 4 x 100 relay team in high school. Of course in those days we were talking about yards not meters.

I have always admired anyone who could run past about 15 seconds;)

[jimmyk]

The first girl who surged past everyone reminded me of Secretariat's run in the Preakness (not that the girl looked like a horse or anything :)). It was right at that far point on the track, and he just ran past the other horses like they were standing still. But he didn't get passed later on, of course.

[Miss Marple 2]

In junior high (now called middle school) I was on a relay team in gym. I was the last leg and passed everyone to win. I still remember doing that all these years later.

Alas, no track teams (or any other athletic teams) for girls in those days. I therefore took up other activities, including smoking and worrying about make-up and hair, so developed an aversion to exercise.

I am so glad my granddaughters got a chance to participate in organized sports, although the older one mainly played golf.

I think it is really good for girls to be able to do stuff like that.

[Miss Marple 2]

I am not a fan of the London Eye, and now this:

http://olympics.nbcsports.com/2016/04/26/london-olympic-park-orbit-tunnel-slide/?utm_network=twitter&utm_post=5643694&utm_source=TW%20%40NBCOlympics&utm_tags=srm[olympics%2Carticle]

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Phil Healy was moving like a tremendous machine!

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

If anyone didn't read Wretchard's latest when it was linked earlier, they should. One of his best.
The Surprising Weakness of Invincible Institutions

Hate, as a political strategy. Law, used to divide and conquer. Regulation used to punish. Elections used to cement dictatorship. Corruption bleeding out the lifeblood in drips, filling the buckets of a successive line of bureaucrats before they are destroyed, only to be replaced time and again....

That quote is ostensibly about the quasi Marxist, quasi dictatorship of Venezuela.
Anything seem familiar?

[daddy]

Good Morning!

[Thomas Collins]

Cruz is considering a Schweiker type move.

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2016/04/26/report-cruz-vetting-fiorina-for-vp-n2153504

Although Cruz would lose a negotiating chip in a contested convention, if Cruz has concluded that a pre-convention move is needed to stop The Donald from locking up 1237 pre-Cleveland, this would be as good as any.

[centralcal]

TM - thanks for posting this. Very exciting!!!

[sbw]

daddy: Good Morning!

Hmmm. Ending in "ing". Does that make it a gerund?

[Miss Marple 2]

sbw,

No, because morning is always used as a noun. You cannot go morning.

However, MOURNING is a gerund when used in the phrase "She is in mourning." When you say "I am mourning the loss of the election" then mourning is a verb.

H/T to my mother, Rosemary, the English stickler!

[Miss Marple 2]

daddy,

Pretty funny sign!

[Theo]

I agree with Kudlow and Porchlight.

Of course, trying to be constructive and build coalitions is not as much FUN as being snarky and forming middle school cliques defined by who is "out" more than by who is "in," but if we are going to create a better country (or preserve the one we inherited) we need to make common cause with people who mostly agree with us even if they do not entirely do so.

[sbw]

To pull a daddyesque interesting irrelevancy:

Please let it be known that that tar used to tar and feather is pine tar that has a lower boiling point than bitumen or asphalt tar -- still hot, but unlikely to do permanent damage . . . or be outlawed by the Constitutional ban on cruel or unusual punishment.

Tar and feathering has happened as recently as 100 years ago and, before that, Mormon founder Joseph Smith endured the indignity.

[Dave (in MA)]

My conservative friends: All of you, including me, let us be brethren.

And sistren.

[Porchlight]

Hmmm, but something is doing something in the words morning, evening, lightning, and shortening, even if the words are used as nouns. I wonder if there's a name for that kind of noun.

[Porchlight]

Ah, I didn't know that, sbw. That makes me feel a little better.

[Miss Marple 2]

Porch,

Shortening is a gerund because you can shorten something like a skirt ("Shorten the hem one inch, please.")or by making the pastry short ("Shorten the pastry enough to make it flaky.")

Evening is a gerund if it is derived from the verb "to even" ("Evening out the sides of that flower bed will make a better shape.") If you are talking evening meaning nightfall, it is a noun only.

Lightning is a noun but lightening is a gerund, taken from the verb "to lighten." ("Lightening the load will make the wagon move faster.")

Morning is always a noun only.

[Old Lurker]

SBW, you meant "lower melting point" not "boiling point".

:-)

Yes I looked it up.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

I believe the correct spelling is cistern.

[daddy]

Is there any other school activity we do, where we subject ourselves to such unnecessary instruction, creating names for speech that we all already know how to say and would be just as proficient at saying whether we knew the invented name and definition of the thing or not?

But I rest my case:)

[Porchlight]

MM, I'm just wondering if there is a name for the type of nouns that have -ing like that.

Shortening shortens, but shortening is still just a noun.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

And God said "Let There Be Light"

[Miss Marple 2]

Has anyone ever seen antique bells shaped like small barbells? I have a set of 3 in graduated sizes I bought this week. Each end is shaped like a round sleighbell, only much heavier metal and I think these were originally brass plated. The center bar piece seems to be cast at the same time as the ends, which were then subsequently bent inward to enclose the metal ringer. Rope-design trim on both ends of the bar, with a scattered star or snowflake design on the bell portion. 5, 6.5 and 7.5 inches long.

I have been looking for something similar in searches for over an hour and have just about given up.

They are too heavy to be baby rattles. Possibly they are early rhythm band instruments, but seem awfully elaborate for that. The only two-ended bells I could find were Tibetan ceremonial bells for Buddhist worship, and these do not seem to have Asian design at all.

I thought perhaps someone here would know what they are, or at least could point me to a site that might have some information.

Thanks!

[Porchlight]

Sorry. I meant that the "shortening" that is a fat used in baking is still just a noun. Even though it is used to "shorten" something.

[sbw]

SBW, you meant "lower melting point" not "boiling point".

OL, I know you think you understood what you think I said but what I said isn’t what I meant.

[daddy]

Listening to Dr Ben Carson on the FOX Show with the 4 women. What a well spoken, sensible, decent man.

[jimmyk]

Speaking of "ing" words, I am still bothered by the fact that I got to age 50+ before learning that the "ing" in "finger" and "singer" are pronounced differently. I wouldn't have cared, but when I mentioned my astonishment, people acted like it was common knowledge akin to the earth not being flat.

[Miss Marple 2]

Porchlight,

The word you are looking for (and this will get daddy's head to expload) is a "verbal noun."

LOL!

Here is a site with definitions and examples, along with another term which causes confusion, "present participles."

http://linguapress.com/grammar/gerunds.htm

[Old Lurker]

The earth is not flat?

[Porchlight]

Aha. Wiki says "morning" and "ceiling" are "fossilized words."

-ing is a suffix used to make one of the inflected forms of English verbs. This verb form is used as a present participle, as a gerund, and sometimes as an independent noun or adjective. The suffix is also found in certain fossilized words like morning and ceiling, and in names such as Browning.

[jimmyk]

another term which causes confusion, "present participles."

That's easy. "I am going" is a present participle, "Ah'm a goin'" is a gerund because it's preceded by "a."

[You might have something rare there.]

Well, MM, I thought that would be easy, a bar bell. Searching didn't help much, but 'dumbell' might be a clue.

[Porchlight]

Ah, thanks MM!

Re: the bells, you know I love an ebay search. Do you have any kind of photo or link you can share?

[Thomas Collins]

The critter in the hat pulls a less dramatic comeback than Phil's, but on a bigger stage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LHid-nC45k

[daddy]

let it be known that that tar used to tar and feather is pine tar that has a lower boiling point than bitumen or asphalt tar -- still hot, but unlikely to do permanent damage . . . or be... cruel or unusual punishment.

George Brett begs to differ!

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Nobody voted for this bossy shemale but she keeps getting to dictate what kids eat.
Why?

[_peter]

new one on me Jimmyk, that singer finger not being perfect rhymes. I remember as a freshman at U. Va. being part of a psychology experiment where I had to work in small groups and come up with the most homonyms in a given time period. Was astonished when a co-ed in my group insisted the words, "pin" and "pen" were homonyms, and you know what? in the part of the South she came from, they were.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

The IRS and the CA AG are lawless crooks who should be on the receiving end of the criminal justice system rather than "administering" it.
Unexpected.

[Porchlight]

Was astonished when a co-ed in my group insisted the words, "pin" and "pen" were homonyms, and you know what? in the part of the South she came from, they were.

My husband from Louisiana says "pin" for "pen."

And "peenk" for pink.

[daddy]

The 4 Women and Dr Ben started talking about Kelly Ripa going banana on her morning TV Show because the big gap toothed black guy, Michael Strayhan, is off the show and going on some other Morning Show.

All the girls knew all about it, but only the Dem woman thought Kelly Ripa's behavior was acceptable.

Dr Ben merely said that if Neuro-Surgeons let such small events effect their behavior so much, there would be a lot of dead brain surgery patients.

Anyone here have an opinion on whatever Kelly Ripa did?

I don't.

[Porchlight]

Bell idea, MM.

Take a very plain photo of one of the bells on a white background.

Upload it to the web - Facebook, anywhere.

On the Chrome browser, right click on the photo and select "Search Google for this image." You will get a "similar images" link.

Or just send it to me and I'll search Google for you if you don't want to bother with Chrome.

[Miss Marple 2]

If you can get to that link, scroll down past the text and large photos are there.

[Porchlight]

Which link, MM?

[Captain Hate]

Listening to Dr Ben Carson on the FOX Show with the 4 women. What a well spoken, sensible, decent man.

Probably but he ran an almost incoherent campaign which diminished him imo. He surely was poorly served by his Top Men approved consultants, who will be penalized with future seats at the trough.

[Miss Marple 2]

Porchlight,

Typepad has eaten my link twice, which may be because it is a members-only site.

My pictures are on my iPad and not on-line.

Let me think a minute on how to get them here without having to find my cord which connects iPad to computer.

This is an example of how, although I am pretty good with computers for my age, the hardware stuff gets me nutso.

[daddy]

Shortening shortens, but shortening is still just a noun.

Porchlights line above reminded me of some song I recall from my very early years that went something like

Momma's Little baby likes short'nin' and short'nin',
Momma's little baby likes short'nin' and bread.

Without googling, does anyone else remember that song, and have any idea what it meant and where it came from? Was it an ad jingle?

[Marlene]

I posted a comment on the end of the previous thread. Geez. Anyway...CH,DeMatha is in the daughter's neighborhood. I think it is the "new" DeMatha? What a beautiful school.
Did you wear a navy blue blazer and khakis?

[Porchlight]

Never mind, I found them, MM!

See if this one works:

https://www.google.com/search?q=band+instruments+bells&espv=2&biw=1280&bih=963&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwih06-15azMAhWD6iYKHePGB2oQ_AUIBigB#tbm=isch&q=antique+baby+rattle+heavy&imgrc=6U2HqWdK_RT1uM%3A

If you go to the page, it's not there, probably because the listing was replaced at some point. If you go to the image, a jpg will automatically download. But they were apparently listed as "Vintage Ornate Heavy Brass Graduated Baby Rattles With Sleigh Bell Like Tones" on terapeak.com.

[Captain Hate]

I'm pretty old, Marlene, and khakis weren't nearly as popular then as grey slacks; but absolutely a navy blue blazer.

Tammy Bruce has pledged IVR.

[Porchlight]

That's a very old Southern song, daddy. One of my favorites.

And here are my favorite versions:

1) "The Happy Organ" by Dave "Baby" Cortez: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNxpU_ITpMQ

2) Dave Brubeck, from the great album of Southern tunes called Gone With The Wind:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBTEQM7gsj0

[Porchlight]

MM,

This link says "Rare vintage brass bell rattle plays the sounds of sleigh bells or Christmas bells."

It's from a stock photo site: http://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-rare-vintage-brass-bell-rattle-plays-the-sounds-of-sleigh-bells-or-5498915.html

[Miss Marple 2]

Those are EXACTLY like mine, Porch! The set of 3 in that link.

I cannot imagine they were baby rattles, unless Victorian children were super-strong. The largest one weighs over a pound!

I will search on eBay under baby rattles.

THANK YOU!

[Porchlight]

Yeah, they really don't seem like they could be baby rattles, even if people seem to think they were.

Fun find!

[Captain Hate]

Marlene, where I went to classes was on a street a block or two west of Rt. 1.

[Buckeye]

My husband from Louisiana says "pin" for "pen."

And "peenk" for pink.

from Louisiana....can he cook?

Now that's what matters!

[Thomas Collins]

What's the big deal with Ripa's speech? She was a lot more Presidential than The Donald and The Hill, the current leading contenders to be the next POTUS.

Ripa for POTUS!

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/04/26/kelly-ripa-owns-her-return-to-live.html

[Ding, dong, the profit's rolling in.]

Yah! Rare! I hope you paid just over scrap price for them.

[daddy]

new one on me Jimmyk, that singer finger not being perfect rhymes.

Me too, JimmyK,

Lorenz Hart wonderfully rhymed "finger" with "sting" in that great R&H Tune, "Mountain Greenery," so I suppose technically "sting" and "finger" don't technically rhyme perfect either.

Here's Bing Crosby doing that tune, tho' an old Verve version of der Bingle doing this standard rocks the pants off this lame version.

Mosquitoes here
Won't bite you Dear,
I'll let 'em sting
me on my finger...

[Miss Marple 2]

Well, looking at several images I found through Porch's list, I am seeing mostly singles listed as baby rattles.

However, 7 1/2 inches long and weighing over a pound does not seem to me to be a baby rattle. If the baby could lift it, he would hit himself in the face and get a shiner!

Since they are in 3 sizes, I am thinking they were perhaps toys for older children, or part of an early rhythm band set.

I only paid $15 for them, so I ought to be able to make a decent profit.

[daddy]

Hmmm, but something is doing something in the words morning, evening, lightning, and shortening...

Is you guys sure you know what you're talking about?

[Miss Marple 2]

Thomas Collins,

The controversy was not about her speech or her return, but that she refused to appear on the show for a few days. The network moved the guy to Good Morning America and didn't tell her (and if I remember, at one time SHE was promised that slot).

Mostly this is one of those TV celebrity dramas which is pointless but seems to consume a lot of news time.

[Neo]

Federal judge upholds law requiring voter ID in NC elections

[Miss Marple 2]

daddy,

Don't know where you are getting those diagrams, but "an gerund" is incorrect. The "g" isn't silent, so it should read "a gerund."

Boy, you even have to correct the grammar sites these days! Harumph and get off my lawn!

[Miss Marple 2]

ThNow, clas:

What is the word "buurning " in this quote?

"The boy stood on the burning deck.."

[Miss Marple 2]

Daggone it!

"NOW, CLASS:"

[Marlene]

CH,that is the school's original location I assume,but with new additions over the years? There are new townhouses near the school,which were built less than 10 years ago.The daughter and son-in-law have a townhouse,it is a pleasant neighborhood. The stretch of Rt.1 between Hyattsville and College Park is booming. She had the townhouse appraised and was quite pleased.

[henry]

Common name of the deck upon which we get to burn things.

[Marlene]

Oh yay! It is snowing here!

[maryrose]

Porch
If your oldest daughter is smart a Catholic high school could be the answer
In Ohio you don't have to be Catholic.
I would check on that again. Because she has siblings she would probably be entitled to financial aid and if you live near the city vouchers if Texas has them
I am an advocate for single sex education for girls because it empowers them.
Daddy
I think the next line is "put on the kettle"
Got the movie "Brooklyn " out of the library.
Wonderful film!

[Manuel Transmission]

Oops, posted on the dead thread...

My edumakation was about as varied as you can imagine. First 1-1/2 yrs were in a one room country school; about six kids across eight grades. They wanted to put me a year ahead when we finally reached civilization over in the farm country near glasater. I passed on the offer, because of the likely hazing I would have endured as the little kid in the class.

On the other end, I finished in one of the largest high schools in Phoenix. Even dated the Valedictorian. Sadly, she was self motivated to beat her big sister, who had made Salutatorian. She burned out half way through college and was never heard of again. Had some amazing successes otherwise. One guy ended up Chief Scientist at Raytheon. A few military academies and career service types. Lots of inganeers given the Sputnik push. The saddest were the few who would have probably succeeded in the higher echelons, except for the draft interruption that blew the continuity. I recovered from that particular interruption without much consequence.

[maryrose]

Adjective describing the deck?

[Buckeye]

adjective

[Miss Marple 2]

Adjective is correct!

Good job, maryrose and Buckeye!

Now I have to go take some more photos.

Thanks again to Porchlight!

[Porchlight]

Thanks, maryrose. Yes, the diocesan schools here do accept non-Catholics. I like single-sex education for girls, too. Not college though. :)

[Thomas Collins]

I thought she played that well, MM2. She realized she had enough clout to make the execs squirm, but not enough for an extended absence. In in her return speech she played her audience, Strahan and the execs like a fiddle. Her actions were in your face, not insane.

[maryrose]

MT
Wow what an interesting educational experience.
My daughter went to private Catholic school and my son went to public
Different strokes for different folks.

[Porchlight]

You're welcome, MM! Did some more searching - a similar rattle here is described as Nepalese:

https://www.etsy.com/listing/239300751/outstanding-antique-bronze-alloy-rattle

I love these searches - if anyone else has one, chime in. :)

[maryrose]

Porch
Exactly right
My daughter then attended Cleveland State University

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

--Without googling, does anyone else remember that song--

Yep, although our version was always "mama's little baby loves [not likes] shortnin' [pronounced with only two syllables] bread."

Speaking of grammar n stuff I never remember whether to put the period before or after the quotation marks.

[Buckeye]

Porchlight

You might want to rethink that all girl's Catholic high school for your daughter.

It was well understood when I was in high school that if you wanted to get "lucky", you dated a girl from Julienne.

Since has been merged with the all boy's school.

[Buckeye]

Just sayin'

[James D]

I went to an all boys Catholic high school (Bronx, NY). There were a couple of all girls schools in the neighborhood, but if one of them was the place to look for girls to "get lucky" with, nobody ever told me.

Not that it would have mattered considering my complete lack of social skills at that age.

[MaryD]

JamD, what Bronx High School was that? One of my brothers went to Bishop Loughlin, but that is in Brooklyn.

[Frau Grammatik]

Just keep your participles from dangling.

~ Mrs. Shirley Baxter, who went deer hunting with her husband, is very proud that she was able to shoot a fine buck as well as her husband.

[NK]

JamesD-- which HS did you go to, if I can ask.

[James D]

Mt. St. Michael.

My Mom wanted to send me to Fordham Prep (my uncle went there), but it was twice as expensive, and we got a scholarship for Mt. St. Michael to help cover the tuition, too, so it was no choice at all in the end.

[NK]

In Riverdale, by Manhattan College, correct? You missed the chance for a Jesuit HS education at FP?... hmm... you and the Jesuits would have been an interesting combo.

[Frau Grammatik]

Iggy, before the final " if a statement but after if a question...unless it's the quote of a question.
Frau asks, "Got it?"

daddy, SOB.
For those yearning for more:

At the end of a word if you find silent e,

Then throw it away, -- for there it can't be

When an affix you add with a vowel commencing;

Thus "rogue" will make "roguish," and "fence" will make "fencing";

But if able or ous follow soft c or g,

Then, "change" you make "changeable", keeping the e.

German is much easier!

[James D]

Nope, NK. Nereid Avenue, near E. 241st St, and not far from the city line between the Bronx and Yonkers.

[NK]

Marist Bros., did not know that. BTW, they are playing Fordham Prep in baseball today.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

--Frau asks, "Got it?"--

I think so, but I'll probably just keep doing it my way; "when I use punctuation-it goes just where I choose it to go-neither here nor there.".
.
:)
"

[Porchlight]

With the Catholic h.s. discussion, this thread reminds me of that 1980s Andrew McCarthy movie, Heaven Help Us. I remember it as a pretty good movie. Set in Brooklyn.

http://www.imdb.com/media/rm3659519232/tt0089264?ref_=tt_ov_i