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May 14, 2016

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Captain Hate

I hope one of the lessons the GOPe learned from 2012 was what a self serving goof Kasich is. R$ travelled to Cowlumbus to help the effort to plunge a wooden stake in state government unions as did Wisconsin through an issue on the November ballot. What he didn't anticipate was that the mailman's son considered that issue to have insufficient postage and that Saint Peter wanted him to return it to the sender.

I hope the party brain trust doesn't develop amnesia on that when they consider team players for the VP slot.

henry

CH, Kasich does line up with the Jen Rubin list of "conservative" positions. The GOPe will like that -- its who they are.

Old Lurker

I would advise against holding your breath on that, Cap'n.

jimmyk on iPhone

Meanwhile, fun times ahead in NY:

http://nypost.com/2016/05/15/cuomos-team-on-lockdown-as-preet-bharara-digs-deeper/

2016 would be a banner year if Cuomo, Mayor Bane, and Hillary all get Dilmaed.

RattlerGator

RattlerGator must be a Florida A&M and UF grad. Rattlers are the team name for A&M. And we all know who the Gators are, don't we?
Posted by: Jack is Back! | May 15, 2016 at 12:14 PM

Close, JiB. I'm a proud UF (historically the "white" flagship in Florida) grad with strong family connections to Florida A&M (historically the "black" flagship in Florida) and my wife works at Florida A&M.

Clarice / Iggy, et al: Thanks. I was a major lurker back in the day, Clarice, and remain a fan of your columns at American Thinker.

For a man who became Republican because of 9/11, the Obama presidency has definitely been a challenge. I've been proud of him at times, outraged by his actions many other times.

My oldest sister is a Penn grad and strong Democrat. She has a friend who is a big fundraiser for the Democrats. He and I had a MAJOR, LOUD argument in Philly over Hillary months ago. I bet him that Hillary would never, ever be President of these United States. Trump, thankfully, is making me feel better and better about that bet. No more playing the game by rules designed to keep the GOP in the role of Charlie Brown.

Captain Hate

That's true, henry, balancing the ticket to minimize the RINO stampede.

maryrose

Kasich might be able to swing Ohio to The Republicans in November.
Operative word here is might.

JMHanes

Captain Hate:

"Meanwhile the RINO herd was stampeded to reject Akin because he articulated, albeit painfully awkwardly, a pro life position."

Plenty of Republlicans forthrightly articulate pro-life positions, althhough most of them do not reject the abortion exception in the case of rape and incest. The party did not abandon Akin because he was pro-life, he lost them because of his fatuously offensive comments on rape and pregnancy. There was no way he was going to beat General War-on-Women McCaskill after handing her, and the press, that club to bludgeon him (and every other Republican in the field) with. I don't blame anyone for not wanting to associate themselves with Akin's remarks.

The Democrat advantage is not just that they observe Reagan's commandment better than Republicans do, it's also that the press lets them get away with not having to explicitly defend every last thing their candidates say or do. In the case of Akin, it's also worth noting that Democrats also have no compunction about last minute substitutions when they realize they're fighting a loosing battle.

GUS

I agree JMH. I'm praying the Bernout/Rodham feud gets ugly and if I dare say so...bloody....and long...and permanent.

Captain Hate

Yeah I don't know what to think about that, maryrose. The thing that bothers me is that he barely beat Twitch in a race I thought should have been a landslide against a failed sitting governor who had zero success in four years. Granted four years later he trounced Fitzgerald, an absolutely horrible candidate who wasn't well liked by anybody in his own party, but I view that as a modest accomplishment at best. Maybe incumbency is incredibly strong here.

Captain Hate

In the case of Akin, it's also worth noting that Democrats also have no compunction about last minute substitutions when they realize they're fighting a loosing battle.

I'm not trying to be overly argumentative but do you have an example of this happening? The only time I can remember this happening was when they substituted the barely animated corpse of Frank Lautenberg for Torricelli when it became obvious the Torch was about to become a real life felon. I'm probably overlooking something obvious.

jimmyk on iPhone

They may be tested on replacing the Red Witch.

Captain Hate

I agree they're gripping hard on that, jimmyk.

Janet S.

Akin is controversial but ripping babies apart & selling their eyes, scalps, brains, arms & legs is a-okay....nothing controversial about THAT.
Our own money should even fund the multimillion dollar business that rips the babies apart. It is cool & acceptable & not controversial at all.

....but ol' pro-life Akin should be thrown to the wolves. He's an embarrassment in polite society. Now, how much will you pay me for this baby's heart?

buccaneer morgan

He was establishment, a veteran congressman but a prolifer, I think jrove's reaction was pivotal, that year.

Miss Marple 2

Captain Hate, don't forget about Mel Carnahan of Missouri!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mel_Carnahan

Because the state's election law would not allow Carnahan's name to be removed from the November 7, 2000 ballot, the campaign appointed Carnahan's widow, Jean Carnahan, to unofficially become the new Democratic candidate. Wilson promised to appoint her to the seat, if it became vacant as a result of Mel Carnahan's win in the election. Carnahan's campaign continued using the slogan "I'm Still With Mel." A Senate first, Carnahan posthumously won by a 2% margin. Jean Carnahan was then appointed to the Senate and served until November 2002, when she was narrowly defeated in a special election by James Talent (R)

buccaneer morgan

Only death, wellstone,carnahan or indictment, well there's weiner and client no 9, but in both cases their replacement were worser

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

The totality of Akin's crime;

“It seems to me, from what I understand from doctors, that’s really rare,” Mr. Akin said of pregnancies from rape. “If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down. But let’s assume that maybe that didn’t work or something: I think there should be some punishment, but the punishment ought to be of the rapist, and not attacking the child.”

In the case of "shutting down" there is evidence high stress does result in fewer pregnancies.
In the case of legitimate rape, surely Duke and UVA alone demonstrate there are a great many illegitimate rapes.

We don't know if Akin would have beaten McCaskill, because just like every other time a Rep says something that embarrasses the GOPe he was left dangling in the wind to be beaten like a pinata while the rest of the party tut-tutted his uncoolness and kicked at the dirt as they turned red at being associated with such a turnip seed.
Had they [or he for that matter] responded as Trump would have he would probably be Senator Akin.

Beasts of England

Of course they're floating some replacement dems. They can see how uniquely awful Cankles is as a candidate and it should be obvious to them that Trump has her number.

I hope they don't, as I think she is easily defeated - and I want her to be humiliated during the entire campaign on the national stage. Kicking her to the curb now would deny me my unalienable right to see her suffer.

buccaneer morgan

There isn't any atrocity (stem express) or sky dragon scam they won't hesitatebto pitch.

 _peter

Sargent Shriver for Tom Eagleton

Miss Marple 2

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/280001-supreme-court-calls-for-compromise-on-contraceptive-mandate

This is the Little Sisters of the Poor case.

Man Tran

Iggy,

Great link on Says law. I'm a complete nimnode re the financial world, but my engineering instincts are always twitching when I try to make sense of the blathergab that passes for insight in that realm.

JiB, sorry I messed up on the Picnic/SeaRay discussion. We're a little perplexed why our new buddy wants one. Most consider that open back style to be a 'dock to dock' machine and not particularly useful out here for more general use.

Captain Hate

I'm with Beasts; I don't want some centrist squish like Evan Bayh to give the RINO herd some place to stampede to and we'd have socialism with a smiley face. Plus we'd need Miss Marple to head up opposition research so that Trump could say "Why won't my opponent let his lovely wife wear slacks? Talk about a war on women. I challenge anybody to come up with a photo of Mrs Bayh wearing slacks; all photoshops will be detected. Evan, when she goes to the Middle East with you will you make her wear a burka, because frankly I'm concerned for her."

Old Lurker

As usual, I too am with Cap'n & Beasts.

No More Squish's.

It is time to man up and declare one side or the other for the country's sake.

Compromising with evil will always result in more and more evil.

Duh.

Threadkiller

This:

There was no way he was going to beat General War-on-Women McCaskill after handing her, and the press, that club to bludgeon him (and every other Republican in the field) with. I don't blame anyone for not wanting to associate themselves with Akin's remarks.

Or this:

Had they [or he for that matter] responded as Trump would have he would probably be Senator Akin.

Was Akin ever pro-choice? Trump was and it hasn't hurt him in the more conservative primary of the two.

Akin was chucked by cowards.

Old Lurker

GOPe = cowards, TK. Where have you been?

:-)

Threadkiller

:-)

Threadkiller

What gets me is this. When I want to not be associated with someone else's stupid comment, I simply say, go talk to them.

What happened here was, not only did the spineless clowns disassociate themselves they gave the appearance that they were rooting for the baby killers.

And they think they lost because the exit polls suggest that their surname wasn't latino enough.

This is so dumb.

jimmyk

Democrats also have no compunction about last minute substitutions when they realize they're fighting a loosing battle.

The flip side of this, of course, which is the real lesson, is that Dems are very good at closing ranks and rallying behind candidates that make faux pas of one sort or another. Of course it helps that they have the MSM on their side, who don't report on the gaffes in the first place.

James D

I don't blame anyone for not wanting to associate themselves with Akin's remarks.

True. But there is a lot of territory between "Hell, yeah, Akin is my man! He speaks the truth!' and the "Get thee behind me, Satan!" approach that the GOP went with.

And it would be nice if the GOP figured out how to live somewhere in that middle ground.

jimmyk

Kicking her to the curb now would deny me my unalienable right to see her suffer.

The consolation is that she will suffer mightily if kicked to the curb, maybe more than if she loses the general.

JMHanes

Janet:

"Akin is controversial but ripping babies apart & selling their eyes, scalps, brains, arms & legs is a-okay....nothing controversial about THAT. "

I didn't say anything remotely like that. Does being pro-life really mean defending the idea women don't get pregnant from rape unless they want to? Nothing controversial about THAT?


Captain Hate:

The Lautenberg/Toricelli substitution was only the most memorable case -- alas, I'm afraid I'd have to resort to Google for the less memorable examples, myself. Maybe someone else can come up with an effective search string that will pull up the lower profile races and/or down ticket substitutions. Not how I want to spend the morning, so with apologies, I'll have to let you take my assertion as you will.


jimmyk

JMH, that's a bit of a caricature of what he actually said.

Regarding the SCOTUS ruling MM linked at 10:49, this is troublesome:

“Given the gravity of the dispute and the substantial clarification and refinement in the positions of the parties, the parties on remand should be afforded an opportunity to arrive at an approach going forward that accommodates petitioners’ religious exercise while at the same time ensuring that women covered by petitioners’ health plans ‘receive full and equal health coverage, including contraceptive coverage,’” the justices wrote in the decision.

Any "compromise" will be some shell game that makes it seem like the religious organizations are not funding contraception, abortion, etc., but either they will be doing so or we all will be.

Threadkiller

Does being pro-life really mean defending the idea women don't get pregnant from rape unless they want to?

Defending the idea??
Completely false.

He immediately released a statement that he misspoke and that he made an error in what he said.

This was not accepted by the pearl clutchers as they had already prepared his funeral pyre.

I think in his 2014 book he wandered back to the earlier position, but best candidate theory should have prevailed in 2012.

Miss Marple 2

TK,

The GOPe has no trouble defending stupid stuff said by candidates; McCain has been getting by with it for years. (Jokes about Chelsea Clinton's appearance, for example).

Akin was a challenger and aligned with the Tea Party, right?

Why is it that my suspicion is that the refusal to defend him came from his being outside the preferred gravy-train supporter group, and not because his comments were so horrible?

Threadkiller

Absolutely, MM.

This is why Kristol is such a bellwether when it comes to club membership.

JMHanes

jimmyk:

Even if it weren't the logical implication of what he said, that is the proposition Republicans were being challenged to defend. With the possible anomoly of Donald Trump, you know your candidate is in trouble when he starts saying, "That's not what I meant," and even worse when other people start trying to explain what the candidate was really, and worse than that when the whole unwelcome mess drops into all the other candidates laps'. The fact the right still ends up arguing over Akin is like a Q.E.D. of toxicity.

Threadkiller

So when Romney's camp said that his birther joke isn't what he ment, he was doomed?

Beasts of England

I think we have to fight like the enemy or lose to the enemy. Say something stupid or awful? Tell the other side/press to get over it - not interested in a discussion. Never look back and never concede an inch. This ain't rocket surgery.

Old Lurker

It is not Brain Science either, Beasts!

:-)

Porchlight

I think the right still argues over Akin just in the way we're doing here today - whether or not the GOP should have abandoned him as they did.

What was wrong with "He misspoke - get over it"?

Every candidate is going to do something really boneheaded at some point. Reagan did a number of such things. What did his people do? Put their heads down and kept going.

Beasts of England

Not yet, OL!! :)

Old Lurker

Did you buy that boat yet?

The updated Babe Pics have not appeared yet Beasts.

Beasts of England

Get out of my head, New York Times!!

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/05/17/us/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton.html?referer=http://www.drudgereport.com/">http://www.drudgereport.com/">http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/05/17/us/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton.html?referer=http://www.drudgereport.com/

Old Lurker

Ya think?

The Lede is in Paragraph 6.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/15/sunday-review/sorry-we-dont-take-obamacare.html?ref=opinion

Beasts of England

Still on hold, OL. If they get their numbers right, I'll probably pull the trigger. The Bikini Babes need the refrigerator upgrade and a fancier head - with a sink and mirror. lol

Janet S.

I think we have to fight like the enemy or lose to the enemy. Say something stupid or awful? Tell the other side/press to get over it - not interested in a discussion. Never look back and never concede an inch. This ain't rocket surgery.

Amen, Amen, AMEN!!!

clarice

I am in agreement with JMH on Akin and how it was handled.
I do think before R's run for office they ought to be given a course in how to deal with the press--too often they seem utterly clueless.

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

We're still arguing over Akin because we are trying to determine what kind of party the GOP is.
The left, whether pols or the media, are hyenas and Republicans either really are elephants or they're wildebeest.
Hyenas trail a herd testing it until a weak member is found, usually a juvenile. Wildebeest being small, venal and dishonorable generally abandon the calf, although mama often fights individually and usually unsuccessfully.
Elephants will generally surround the youngster under threat as a herd and are usually successful in saving the little squirt. They're not always successful but at least the whole herd knows each has the others back and will not simply abandon the wounded.

Difficult to poll wildebeest of course but it's not hard to imagine they are a uniformly morose and dispirited bunch of ungulates whereas elephants seem to have a good bit more joie de vivre.
Coincidental? Highly doubtful.

clarice

Heh, Iggy--aren't elephants wonderful! (Just say a video of a once-orphaned elephant returning to a sanctuary from the wild to give birth and watched how all the elephants helped it up and surrounded it in loving protection.)

Here's a thoughtful essay by Spengler, who like Wretchard is such a joy to read:https://pjmedia.com/spengler/2016/05/11/journey-to-canaan-at-the-heart-of-america/

clarice

*saw* not say.

Truthbetold5

Statement of Richard Perle before the United States Senate Committees on
Foreign Relations and Energy and Natural Resources
May 21, 1998

http://fas.org/spp/starwars/congress/1998_h/s980521-rp.htm

JMHanes

clarice:

"*saw* not say."

As is often the case, I didn't even realize that you'd typed "say" until I saw your revision. When it comes to typos, the brain seems to have a spellcheck auto-correction feature of its own. I had a Dutch friend who said colleagues always used to ask him to proofread their work, because native English speakers were far less likely to catch the errors.

JMHanes

TBTZZzzzzzzzz

clarice

when we wrote a weekly newspaper in high school, we proofread by having someone else read what we wrote. Unfortunately, I don't have someone looking over my stuff to do that now. It remains the best way.

Penn Jillette on Hillary:https://fee.org/articles/penn-jillette-on-the-clintons-quote-of-the-day/

Truthbetold5

JMH

Do you think Newt Gingrich is a good pick for VP?

JMHanes

TBT:

I don't like the guy, but he might not be a bad pick.

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