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May 18, 2016


Dave (in MA)

Disproportional response.

When confronted by a man wielding a knife, the appropriate way to respond is to pull out your police knife.




I thought I was first, but I am really just 3rd.


The main reason I'd prefer the police not shoot unless necessary is not for the criminal's sake but for innocent bystanders.

From the ABC story:

A female bystander was also injured during the incident, sustaining a graze wound from one of the shots fired at the suspect.

That could as easily have been fatal.


Actually, you are really Appalled.

Jack is Back!

WOR was all over this this morning. They had the blade at 8" also. When I heard that I could understand the shooting in self-defense. Not that a 4" blade can't do the same level of damage. Nothing like a little excitement in Mid-Town on nice sunny morning.

I'll bet the Nake Cowboy was pissed at all the attention it pulled away from him and the M&M characters.


[The main reason I'd prefer the police not shoot unless necessary is not for the criminal's sake but for innocent bystanders.]

If one of the bystanders had used their gun instead, the innocent bystander would not have been shot. Police somehow are the worst shots of all.


Police somehow are the worst shots of all.

True. The typical gun owner spends a lot more time at the range than the typical cop. I know this because I know a few cops and former cops who admitted it.


Completely OT but very funny video:



We do not know the whole story or the details, but I am with jimmyk on this. Nine shots to bring down a knife wielding guy seems like a lot. Particularly in a place where bystanders could be -- and apparently were -- shot as well.

But let's avoid leaping to conclusions just this once....

James D

If one of the bystanders had used their gun instead...

They'd be at Rikers island right now, awaiting arraignment on a felony gun possession charge, thanks to NYC's gun control laws.


James D, I believe it is possible to own and carry a gun legally in NYC, but it is fantastically difficult. So it is quite likely that anyone who has a gun is a criminal, and not just from having the gun.


Speaking of NYC:


Simon predicts that the average commie like Bernie and Hilligula would scream about it but your average voter would be all for it. Hmmm.....

James D

Nine shots to bring down a knife wielding guy seems like a lot.

It's a function of training. I've read often enough that (in general) police don't get nearly as much time at the shooting range as they probably need to, which would at least partly explain the poor marksmanship.


The assumption that a single round will stop a person does not hold up very often. The gentle giant Mike Brown required an emptied magazine to stop. Shots required is independent of the guy wielding a knife, or fists, or a cupcake. A 4" knife blade can do plenty of damage -- depending on how used. We have little useful info at this point, but the usual pile on of scary details.


Evidently TM isn't going to abandon all of us basement dwellers and is dazzling us with a bunch of new threads.

Thanks, TM!


Yeah, number of shots is not meaningful as a single data point.

Let's wait for the facts.

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

--When confronted by a man wielding a knife, the appropriate way to respond is to pull out your police knife.--

Wouldn't be prudent.
The police were outknifed, as the assailant was clearly in possession of a deadly assault knife.


The assumption that a single round will stop a person does not hold up very often.

No, but it will likely get his attention--for better or worse.

We have little useful info at this point, but the usual pile on of scary details.

Agreed, and I certainly wasn't making a judgment, but just noting that in midtown Manhattan a bullet is very likely to hit someone else if it doesn't hit the perp. Or even if it does.


A few days after the Michael Brown shooting, in nearby St. Louis two white cops shot and killed a 25 yo black man holding a knife" in an obvious suicide-by-cops situation. The black man said some alarming things in a nearby store, prompting the clerk to call the cops as the wannabe-dead guy calmly proceeded outside to await the arrival of his killers. To me this killing was much more problematic than Officer Wilson's defense of his life as the giant Brown bore down on him as there were two officers who presumably had tasers and the black man wasn't threatening passersby and curious onlookers, but there was no blow back or second-guessing reported iirc.


Nine shots to bring down a knife wielding guy seems like a lot.

Nine shots from even one cop could happen in less than 5 seconds. More than one cop could reduce the time to split seconds.


No, but it will likely get his attention--for better or worse

Not always. There's loads of stories where a perp received multiple shots and kept right on coming. Esp if the perp is amped up on certain kinds of drugs.


Agreed, and I certainly wasn't making a judgment, but just noting that in midtown Manhattan a bullet is very likely to hit someone else if it doesn't hit the perp. Or even if it does.

Maybe so, but if it were to get around the NY perp community that Manhattan cops were less willing to discharge their weapons because of fear of collateral damage.....


Wouldn't you know it, these same arguments are used against concealed and open carry.

"You won't even able to stop a perp with a gun if he's all amped up on X!"

"You might shoot some innocent bystanders!"


Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

If you decide to shoot, you shoot until the perpetrator is no longer a threat.
You don't pop a round off and then inquire as to whether or not he's still feeling chipper.



Anyone believe this? Yeah...me neither.

daddy squinting at iPad

On AM talk radio top of the hour news, probably ABC News, heard a bit about Facebook's Zuckerberg meeting with some Conaervatives. They played a sound bite from some Dem that it is inappropriate for Republicans to try to put pressure on any business to influence their behavior. I'll think about that next time I'm at Chic-Filet.


I doesn't really matter who wrote this, does it?

In small groups, Hillary Clinton answers questions in perfect paragraphs, sometimes long ones. It can be a dazzling display. She is so prepared that she rarely needs a pause to think about what to say.

One aspect of her precision and careful phrasing, with nary a “like” or “you know” ever tumbling from her mouth, is that you need to listen hard to take it all in.

[Mrs.] Clinton is definitely the candidate for voters with long attention spans.

That could be a challenge in a world where the human attention span has fallen to eight seconds, shorter than a goldfish, according to a recent Microsoft study.

Okay, here's a hint: this is from a former editor of a prominent daily publication. An editor.

Captain Hate

Regarding the Zuckerberg damage control meeting, Tammy Bruce said if they're all about transparency they'd live stream the whole meeting.


Or Fox News, daddy.

Or various bakers and pizza makers and photographers around the nation.

Robin, in the Ten Square Miles surrounded by Reality

Gadzooks! This is why I never comment - I can't keep up with the threads.

From two back:

Didn't see the interview, but it sounds like mission accomplished.



Scott Adams sure can predict 'em, Robin.


[Mrs.] Clinton is definitely the candidate for voters with long attention spans.

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

--One aspect of her precision and careful phrasing, with nary a “like” or “you know” ever tumbling from her mouth, is that you need to listen hard to take it all in.--

Yeah; it's when she gets to "I'll be back" you've got a problem.


I don't know, daddy. I have been paying attention to her for 25 years now and I despise her.


Welcome to posting here and I hope you will continue to do so.


You are a fair and good arbiter of the conversation
Your arguments are well thought out and constructive.
Always enjoy reading them.

Robin, in the Ten Square Miles surrounded by Reality

Thank you, Maryrose and Porchlight!

I think Scott Dilbert has quite the ego, but he sure has earned bragging rights on the Trump trajectory. I didn't vote for Trump in the NY primary, much to my son's disgust, but I'm not that sorry he's earned the right to run against Clinton, who I despise with the heat of a thousand suns.

It is a glorious day here in upstate NY and I'm heading out to plant a few more seeds in the veggie garden and contemplate what the late spring has done to my sheep shearing plans! Later!


Thank you, maryrose. I appreciate that and I appreciate your thoughtful responses.


Female Dem Strategist on FOX Business, Jessica Ehrlich, is complaining that Trump putting out his possible Supreme Court picks is inappropriate:

Jessica: First of all, no potential Presidential Nominee, he's not you know President yet, has ever put forth a list that we know of, of potential candidates to be viewed for the Supreme Court.

27 January, 2016---Hillary Clinton ‘loves’ the idea of appointing Obama to Supreme Court

Democratic presidential front-runner Hillary Clinton said she “loves” the idea of appointing Barack Obama to the Supreme Court if she’s elected president...“I mean, he’s brilliant, he can set forth an argument and he was a law professor,” she added. “So he’s got all the credentials, but we would have to get a Democratic Senate to get him confirmed.”

Dave (in MA)

Maybe it was even bigger than 8".


On the drive home from the auto-shop, caught part of the Schnit Show, and he was playing recordings of voice mail death threats left by Bernie supporters on the phone of some big pro-Hillary person, possibly Debbie Waserman Schultz. I didn't catch it all, but am waiting to see if the MSM now levels charges of Fascism and Nazism against the belligerent goons of comrade Bernie like they did against the nonexistent hordes of Donald "Der Furher" Trump.

Dave (in MA)

daddy, the story going around was about voicemail threats against the Person Of Chair of the Nevada Democrats, Roberta Lange.


You don't pop a round off and then inquire as to whether or not he's still feeling chipper.

In case it wasn't clear, when I said "it will get his attention," I wasn't seriously suggesting the above.

As to the issue of Manhattan NYC vs Manhattan KS, say: Like it or not, I suspect police will factor in the likelihood of killing innocents when shooting. If the guy had ducked into a crowd I don't think the police would have started shooting, for example.


Hah! Heard on the radio that another on Trump's list is Judge Diane Sykes (7th Circuit). She is the ex-wife of talk radio host Charlie Sykes-- a #NeverTrump guy who claims credit for Cruz's WI victory (and might have an ego inflation issue). Trump may have snuck in some gotchas in that list.


voicemail threats against the Person Of Chair of the Nevada Democrats

That's all?

Carp, Dave,

I was hoping they were aiming at bigger fish:(
Still, I suppose they gotta' start somewhere.


AP Headline


Seriously, daddy - the "Schnit Show?" That's not easy to say.


Rim shot, daddy



The joke when Trump said he would put coal miners back to work:



Like it or not, I suspect police will factor in the likelihood of killing innocents when shooting. If the guy had ducked into a crowd I don't think the police would have started shooting, for example.

Right. That makes sense. You would still want to leave it to their discretion, though, I take it. Others might want to change the ROE, which would be problematic.


Where do you get these pictures, Dave (in MA)? LOL.


Also, Sen. Lee's brother is on the SCOTUS list, Henry.

Jack is Back!


Todd Scnitt is the right-wing nut job to Len Berman's calm and considered middle of road sanity check guy on the WOR morning show. At least that is the way Len portrays it but by himself I understand he is more strident than Hannity. They do some funny stuff each morning and I listen to them on my Ocean drive with the dogs after dropping Frederick off at school.

Robin, in the Ten Square Miles surrounded by Reality

The good news is that SC list is full of judges from swing states and places other than the coastal communities. Great message for the anti-elite vote.


Related and close by: PM-Small Arms denied

Russell noted that he has been “vetted through the Department of Defense security office every five years for the past 25 years”; that he has a “Top Secret (TS) Sensitive Compartmented Information (SCI) clearance”; and that he is already in possession of a “Texas concealed handgun license.” And the powers that be just shrugged.

I feel your pain, Lt. Col. Keep fighting!


If the complaint against Trump is that it is unseemly to list potential Justices to the Supreme Court because it might unfairly influence their decisions in current or upcoming cases, wouldn't you think that Hillary suggesting Obama as a Supreme Court Justice would be that same charge times a million, since he currently has the power of Life and Death over her re: the FBI E-mail Investigation?

Jack is Back!

Regarding one versus nine shots, may I remind you of this particular shooting:


27, 11 stopped by body armor but the rest were in the body.

It a SEAL can take 27 then you empty your piece until the perp is no longer vertical.


well he was kind of blanc mange when I heard him in south florida, but that was two years ago,


yes, that was scalia's lament, too much ivy league, eastern establishment, blue chip law firms among the recruiting pool.


Of course you would
Hillary doesn't get a free pass just because she'sClinton's enabler.
Jane it is essential that you stay. We need you here.
You have made some excellent arguments today and I appreciate it.


You would still want to leave it to their discretion, though, I take it.


Anyone who would suggest Obama on SCOTUS should be disqualified as a serious presidential candidate. Of course Hillary already should be disqualified, so now she's disqualified^2.


Another wise poster.


Here's the transcript of the Bill Clinton anti-Immigration bit from his 1996 State Of The Union speech, for those of you who have not had a chance to watch it or hear it:

President Clinton: But there are some areas that the federal government should not leave and should address and address strongly. One of these areas is the problem of illegal immigration. After years of neglect, this administration has taken a strong stand to stiffen the protection of our borders. We are increasing border controls by 50 percent. We are increasing inspections to prevent the hiring of illegal immigrants. And tonight, I announce I will sign an executive order to deny federal contracts to businesses that hire illegal immigrants.

Let me be very clear about this: We are still a nation of immigrants; we should be proud of it. We should honor every legal immigrant here, working hard to become a new citizen. But we are also a nation of laws.
You'll notice that besides being racist and bigoted and anti-Hispanic and heartless, he is also using grossly inappropriate terms like "illegal."

And this is the Nazi Hillary wants to put in charge of the economy?!?

What Does It Matter

"Fox News Poll: Clinton's negatives surpass Trump's

A record 61 percent have a negative view of the likely Democratic nominee, according to a Fox News poll released Wednesday. That’s up from 58 percent in March.

Fifty-six percent have an unfavorable view of Trump -- though that’s actually good news for Donald. Because it was 65 percent two months ago (that was a record high).

Thirty-seven percent have a favorable opinion of Clinton, down two points from 39 percent in March, establishing a new low. The likely Republican nominee’s favorable jumped over the same time period: 41 percent view Trump positively, up from 31 percent in March. "



well it really has gone to the hounds,



Nice. Thanks for the link. I was hoping this would happen (his negatives down, hers up).


so basically wags



Imo, the fact that Ted Cruz shilled for John Roberts automatically disqualified him for the job of making wise judicial picks. He shilled for the worst judicial appointment in history, provable fact.


John Roberts should be a quick confirm.
by Ted Cruz July 20, 2005 2:32 PM



Trump should recruit Lieutenant General William "Jerry" Boykin, ASAP, for a prominent military leadership position in the new administration.

One more lethal arrow to use against the increasing destruction of our military by the progressive leftists.

Put Some Ice On It

"Trump turns up the heat on the Clintons tonight when he raises the specter of 'RAPE' when describing Bill Clinton's past history with women. The bombshell is dropped on FOXNEWS 'HANNITY' during an hour-long interview, set to air at 10 PM ET... MORE... "



in a good term, you get one good nominee, sometimes two, like reagan got with scalia and rehnquist, similarly powell and rehnquist in nixon's era,

Janet S.

from TM's link -

"A 46-year-old man was shot dead by police in midtown Manhattan this morning after the suspect was reportedly assaulting or threatening someone with a knife.

Officers responded to the call and confronted the suspect. One of the police officers sustained an apparent slash wound and is being treated for the nonthreatening injury.

A police sergeant and officer fired nine shots at the suspect, whose name has not been released. ..."



The suspect struggled with an officer, falling to the ground. As the suspect got back up he displayed a knife

" NYPD Chief James O'Neill said that the suspect, whom he described as a 46-year-old white male, got into an altercation with a Food Emporium cashier when he was trying to buy beer.

"He got very aggressive and belligerent," O'Neill said.

A police officer on foot patrol was alerted to the man, and other officers were called to the scene. The man "began to struggle with the officer, and he fell to the ground outside the store," O'Neill said."

I am FOR the police shooting the crap out of anyone wielding a knife. 9 shots?...GOOD.

Janet S.

a joke - Democrat, Republican, or Southerner -

You're walking down a
deserted street with your wife
and two small children.

Suddenly, an Islamic
Terrorist with a huge knife
comes around the corner,
locks eyes with you,
screams obscenities, praises
Allah, raises the knife, and charges at you...

You are carrying a
Kimber 1911 cal. 45 ACP, and you are an expert shot.
You have mere seconds before he reaches you and your family.
What do you do?


Democrat's Answer:

* Well, that's not enough information to answer the question!
* Does the man look poor or oppressed?
* Have I ever done anything to him that would inspire him to attack?
* Could we run away?
* What does my wife think?
* What about the kids?
* Could I possibly swing the gun like a club and knock the knife out of his hand?
* What does the law say about this situation?
* Does the pistol have appropriate safety built into it?
* Why am I carrying a loaded gun anyway, and what kind of message does this send to society and to my children?
* Is it possible he'd be happy with just killing me?
* Does he definitely want to kill me, or would he be content just to wound me?
* If I were to grab his knees and hold on, could my family get away while he was stabbing me?
* Should I call 9-1-1?
* Why is this street so deserted?
* We need to raise taxes, have paint & weed day.
* Can we make this a happier, healthier street that would discourage such behavior.
* I need to debate this with some friends for a few days and try to come to a consensus.
* This is all so confusing!


Republican's Answer:



Southerner's Answer:

Click..... Click... (Sounds of reloading)

Daughter: 'Nice grouping, Daddy!'
'Were those the Winchester Silver Tips or Hollow Points?! '

Son: 'Can I shoot the next one?!'

Wife: 'You ain't taking that to the Taxidermist!

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

The only thing wrong with Trump's list is Janice Rogers Brown wasn't at the top of it.


but narciso Cruz would not allow that Mr. Trump would pick even one good one. That took a lot of nerve considering his John Roberts blunder.

common man

Cruising by with a quick stock tip for my JOM friends. At the open tomorrow buy Kimberly Clark.

I have it on good authority that the supply of one of their most prominent products, is rapidly dwindling as the news of the new poll showing Trump beating her disgustingness. They may have to pay more overtime to make more but these stupid progs always thought she was a lock, but to be losing to Trump is going to make them quite incontinent.

Will the results hold, well it DEPENDS...


I was hoping this would happen (his negatives down, hers up).

It is becoming evident that Trump can bring out a ton of women who he has had dealings with in the past who like him and respect him, and who are not afraid to say so. Even better, they have the ability, because of their looks and their accomplishments and their speaking ability, to convey that to the masses, and to be believed and liked by the masses in the process of saying it.

Hillary, on the other hand, has nobody she can trot out there in a similar fashion. She can only round up the usual suspects that we all already know about and we already are totally sick of and distrust, interspersed with the random planted sob-story or 2 she'll try to trot out in desperation to make herself appear exactly what she ain't, caring and compassionate.

Trump's been "pressing the flesh" with regular folks for forever and enjoying it. She's been hiding from the masses that she despises since at least the last time she drove a car, and probably well before she ever even got to Arkansas. So Trumps holster is full of bullets he can fire to increase his likability, whereas her pistol is dead empty.


narciso Cruz campaigned constantly that Mr. Trump and Hillary were exactly the same, which is bs that stank to high heaven. That's why Mr. Trump called him Lyin' Ted.


Judge in Baltimore Ofc Nero case to hold off issuing verdict until Monday, after Preakness.

Good deal. I really want to see Exaggerator chase down Nyquist at the wire!


Thinking again about Hillary and the notion that a few months back she praised Obama to the skies as a Supreme Court Pick, it reminded me of AB Stoddard's comment yesterday about why Hillary decided to support Obama in 2008 after he clobbered her in the Primary;

AB: AB: The Kentucky win in 2008 was 35 points. She won 118 of 120 counties. This has got to be a huge disappointment, with Low turnout, and a closed Primary, where independents couldn't come in and vote for Bernie Sanders. Its a huge statement that it's to close to call and she might lose. But look, this is the problem when Randi Weingarten and other Dems say "We're going to unite and it's going to be great, because Hillary did it for Barack Obama in 2008.' She supported him and enthusiastically campaigned for him and ultimately nominated him at the Convention, why? because she had Presidential ambitions and they weren't going away, and she had no choice. Bernie Sanders isn't running again. We have no idea how enthusiastically he's going to unite behind her and ask his supporters to dos too. Thats a real outstanding question for her, about Philadelphia and November.

That's correct, and it's exactly the same thing when Hillary praised Obama as a brilliant Constitutional thinker who'd make a marvelous Supreme---it is always self-serving. It is always something that will serve to help her ambition, whether keeping the FBI from putting her in Jail or supporting Obama's Presidency because she knows she'll need his help in the future to support her next Presidential run. She is always self serving. Always.

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

Completely OT, but does it seem bizarre to anyone else that the span of time from Gone With the Wind to Easy Rider is 17 years less than from Easy Rider til now?

I always notice this when I see some star back in the mid thirties who was still going strong in the sixties and it seems so weird.

common man

Heritage Foundation is onboard with all eleven. Good enough for me, since I dont recognize about six or seven.

jimmyk on iPhone

I'm not aware of any conservative other than Anne Coulter who opposed Roberts. Did Trump oppose him?


Charles Payne on FOX Business just ran a clip of Trump's new interview with Hannity for tonight's show. In the clip shown Trump calls Obama "Ignorant."

Hannity: You want Fair Trade, you're not a protectionist? You want better deals?

Trump: I want Fair Trade. The problem with Fair Trade, the people we have now are incompetent. Our President is, you know, he used a word the other day, not a nice word, but he's an Ignorant President. He's an Ignorant President. He doesn't know what's going on, in my opinion, and the opinion of plenty of other people...

So, look what Trump is doing. He is stepping right out there and inviting people to come at him as a Racist for calling our First Black President "Ignorant."

No other Repub candidate would do that. They wouldn't have the balls. Trump said it hard and straightforward and now it's out there and they'll have to respond and then he can do his counterpunching of the Racism meme, so that by the time it comes to the Election he'll happily repeat it a dozen times, probably even have it on BaseBall Caps, "He's an IGNORANT President," and he'll roll right on.

It's true and it's refreshing. How will it play? Who the heck knows, but I wouldn't bet against Trump at this stage.

My guess is somewhere in the back he's already got the clips of:

(2008) Majority Leader Reid apologizes to Obama for 2008 remarks--"apologized Saturday for referring to President Obama in private ... presidential campaign as "light-skinned" and as having "no Negro dialect."

(2007) 5. “I mean you’ve got the first sort of mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and nice-looking guy.” – Joe Biden, Vice President

(2008) Bill Clinton 2008 on Obama: A few years ago, this guy would have been carrying our bags.

Game on!

Jack is Back!

It demonstrates Trump has a real pro team and they are producing. Can't wait for his defense and national security team rollout.

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

Ignorant Barry and Crooked Hillary.
Works for me.


(reposting from previous thread....hard to keep up!)

I was scared to death to post on JOM the first time. I was in awe of all of all of you,so smart and funny and with wonderful stories.

Marlene - I felt exactly the same way! I had lurked here forever and didn't feel like I could say anything of comparable value but then, one day, I screwed up my courage posted.

I think it's such an amazing kaleidoscope of opinions, life experiences, and funny banter. I enjoy the rabbit trails that appear out of nowhere about all kinds of things.

I hope the election differences will not cause permanent damage.


from Mirriam-Webster "Simple Definition of ignorant
: lacking knowledge or information
: resulting from or showing a lack of knowledge

That comment is certainly going to get under Obama's
thin skin. He has such a lofty opinion of his intelligence and
superior knowledge of everything! Wouldn't you *LOVE* to be
a fly on the wall when he hears of this!


Lou's up. Here's his opener:

Dobbs: Lets begin with a political earthquake. For the first time Donald Trump has pulled ahead of Hillary Clinton in the FOX News Poll. Clinton has lead Trump in the head to head polling ever since he entered the race on June 16th of last year. But now Trump tops her in a General Election "Head to Head" match-up, 45 to 42%. A 10 point swing from last month...

Frau Edith Steingehirn

How about a "trigger warning" on daddy's 5:41 photo? That bony, bent finger is seared, seared in my memory.
(Monica's, too)

Wait a consarned minute! We all remember when every other word from Hillary!'s lying lips was "ya-know." She had to be reconditioned with a cattle prod to eliminate that irritating part of her dishonest blather.


I hope the election differences will not cause permanent damage.

Me too, Momto2.

I love this place and hope we can keep it chugging along with fun and insight and the occasional "jaw-jaw" for years to come. Thanks again TM. Never say it enough.



Byron York ‏@ByronYork 32m32 minutes ago

Wow: On Fox, @JonahNRO says Donald Trump 'reached out to National Review' in making list of judges.

Frau Edith Steingehirn

Mr. Trump seems to have been vetted more already than BHO and Hillary! combined. The only thing missing to date is how often he has to get up at night.

Call me über-cautious about polls. I wonder who answers the phone and what kind it is.

daddy, I always hope that we denizens in TM's virual basement do not cause too much embarrassment. I, too, am thankful for the opportunity to mingle,listen and sometimes vent.

jimmyk on iPhone

It doesn't matter to me in the least whether Trump came up with the list or others did on his behalf. The list speaks for itself.


common man, and he hasn't even started on her yet.

None of the picks on the list are Ivy League, and there is a wide geographical spread.

jimmyk the issue isn't how many supported him, the issue he was a bad choice, and people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Cruz harped constantly that Mr. Trump would make bad picks.

Lurker Susie

As a long time lurker, I was also scared to post here. When I was lurking I felt like I was part of a great big family. I love the interactions, whether political, travel, families, work, music, books As the middle child of seven I felt right at home. Someone would punch but someone else would punch harder.
I thank you all for letting me be a lurking cousin in the wonderful JOM family.


I said no Ivy League but one is from Princeton.

common man

Thank the lord that the WH spokesnitwit, says none of these people are consensus candidates. If Chuck U and Barbara Boxed Out and Fauxcahantas had said they love the choice, I would have been totally and completely appalled...

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