The State Dept. Inspector General Email Report

The WaPo gets a leaked version of the upcoming IG report into Hillary's private email server:

State Dept. inspector general report sharply criticizes Clinton’s email practices

By Rosalind S. Helderman and Tom Hamburger May 25 at 10:18 AM

The State Department’s independent watchdog has issued a highly critical analysis of Hillary Clinton’s email practices while running the department, concluding that she failed to seek legal approval for her use of a private email server and that department staff would not have given its blessing because of the “security risks in doing so.”

The inspector general, in a long awaited review obtained Wednesday by The Washington Post in advance of its publication, found that Clinton’s use of private email for public business was “not an appropriate method” of preserving documents and that her practices failed to comply with department policies meant to ensure federal record laws are followed.

The report says she should have printed and saved her emails during her four years in office or surrendered her work-related correspondence immediately upon stepping down in February 2013. Instead, Clinton provided those records in December 2014, nearly two years after leaving office.

The report found that a top Clinton aide was warned in 2010 that the system may not properly preserve records but dismissed those worries, indicating that the system had passed legal muster. But the inspector general said it could not show evidence of a review by legal counsel.

IANAL and someone can doublecheck but when I looked recently my conclusion was that these [the record-keeping stuff, not the handling classified info stuff] are administrative, not criminal violations. Utter disdain for the FOIA, for example, earns a dressing-down from one's supervisor or a federal judge, not fines or imprisonment. Back to the WaPo:

The new report focuses on record keeping and how Clinton and previous secretaries of state have maintained documents regarding public business. She has said she complied with laws requiring the preservation of documents, including emails, because she emailed other government officials at their official accounts, knowing their emails would be retained on public servers.

However, she has not explained how she intended emails sent to private citizens, who did not use government email, to be preserved. Some emails have emerged, particularly from Clinton’s first months in office in 2009 when her aides have said she was transitioning technology, that she did not provide to the State Department.

 ERRATA: This is from the FOIA, section 4:

(F) Whenever the court orders the production of any agency records improperly withheld from the complainant and assesses against the United States reasonable attorney fees and other litigation costs, and the court additionally issues a written finding that the circumstances surrounding the withholding raise questions whether agency personnel acted arbitrarily or capriciously with respect to the withholding, the Special Counsel shall promptly initiate a proceeding to determine whether disciplinary action is warranted against the officer or employee who was primarily responsible for the withholding. The Special Counsel, after investigation and consideration of the evidence submitted, shall submit his findings and recommendations to the administrative authority of the agency concerned and shall send copies of the findings and recommendations to the officer or employee or his representative. The administrative authority shall take the corrective action that the Special Counsel recommends.

(G) In the event of noncompliance with the order of the court, the district court may punish for contempt the responsible employee, and in the case of a uniformed service, the responsible member.

I guess a contempt of court finding could result in jail time but it is still not a felony, as best I know. Still, what a weird Hillary defense - she broke the law but the penalties are minor, so what's the big deal? Uhh, she broke the law? And now wants to be Chief Executive?

TO BE CLEAR: I am focusing on the record-keeping violations, not the potential mishandling of classified information.

Comments

[narciso]

and how many have been released too soon,

http://hotair.com/headlines/archives/2016/05/25/report-finds-federal-prisons-held-157-inmates-too-long-one-by-almost-three-years/

[Janet S.]

more on the gun story lies - http://freebeacon.com/issues/audio-shows-katie-couric-gun-documentary-deceptively-edited-interview-pro-gun-activists/

this link has the audio clip & the video clip

[jimmyk]

Catching up, seeing that Edsall nonsense, and this:

What does not appear in this supposedly magnificent résumé is an actual record of accomplishment. It reads more like the vitae of an especially determined high school student anxious to get into an elite college -- lots of violin lessons but no recitals.

It's hard to find good comparisons because so few people with a record of incompetence and criminality like Hillary's ever rise to being close to getting nominated for President, but would it be unfair to say that Hillary's experience in public service is more akin to Mohammed Atta's as a pilot? Except that she didn't get herself killed of course.

[cheerleader]

I was wondering today if Ryan is angling to be Mr. Trump's VP pick.

[Old Lurker]

No, Jimmy. Atta was able to, you know, fly the plane.

[Old Lurker]

Cheerleader, because he does so well in debates?

[cheerleader]

If Ryan is angling to be Trump's VP, and that happens, it will be my first major disappointment with Mr. Trump. After Ryan's debate with Biden I can't think of a worse choice.

[lyle]

Ace's top post is worth a read right now.

[Beasts of England]

The Ewok has fired against the NeverTrumpers. Progress.

[Janet S.]

Powerline on the report - http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2016/05/inspector-general-blasts-hillarys-violation-of-email-rules.php

[Strawman Cometh]

Gus,
http://m.tomshardware.com

[lyle]

Forget Ryan. Give me a vertebrate.

[narciso]

yes, his blanc mange behavior just this week, on puerto rico and ole mcdonald, doesn't commend him for further advancement,

[lyle]

I know he had bad choices on PR but I'm still not convinced he made the correct one.

[cheerleader]

Exactly Old Lurker you read my mind.

[narciso]

this kind of a week,

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/books/authors/the-hitchhikers-guide-to-the-galaxy-the-best-douglas-adams-quote/

[Threadkiller]

Thanks for that follow up link, Janet.

A ground rule for anyone going into one of these interviews should be to have your own copy of the raw audio or footage.

I like how the question starts with Curic saying "I already know the answer to this question."

This wasn't an afterthought in the editing room, it was premeditated.

[narciso]

and this one is particularly timely,

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/books/authors/the-hitchhikers-guide-to-the-galaxy-the-best-douglas-adams-quote/douglas-adams-on-democracy-from-so-long-and-thanks-for-all-the/

[daddy on the iPad at Happy Mexican-Gate]

The part I'm missing in all this Dem pushback is all the debunking.

When and where was all this stuff debunked?

Billy Dale and Travel-Gate, Bimbo's and 20 Dollar Bills in a Trailer Park-Gate, Craig Livingston and FBI files-Gate, Cattle Futures-Gate, Fort Marcy Park-Gate, WhiteWater-Gate, Rose-Law Firm-Gate, the meaning of "Is"-Gate, Email-Gate, Weiner-Gate, "I wanted to join the Marines"-Gate, Benghazi-Gate, Pedpohile Airplane-Gate, "I broke my leg falling over a fence at Greg Norman's house"-Gate, Bosnian Tarmac-Gate, "We left the White-House dead broke"-Gate, "No Controlling authority"-Gate, 30,000 Yoga E-Mails-Gate, Chelsea "I don't care about money" $60,000 a speech Gate, IRS-Gate, Lois Lerner-Gate, Fast and Furious-Gate, Swift-Boat-Gate, "I'll release my DD214 in _____Days-Gate, ISIS, ISIL Daesh is contained-Gate, "What difference, at this point, does it Make?"-Gate, Build the White House Fence 10 feet higher and the Gate-Gate...

Somehow I missed all the debunking.

Hell, Fry and Scout "debunk" me more than the Mainstream Media.

[lyle]

Did anyone hit my earlier link about Katie and the appropriation of her last name by South Park? A "couric" is the approximate equivalent of 1.5 ounces of human feces.

[Dave (in MA)]

sed 's/Gate/Quiddick/'

[Threadkiller]

I saw that, lyle.

The FreeBeacon link I considered a follow-up to that.

[narciso]

quelle surprise,

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3608418/Is-Senate-bill-allowing-9-11-families-sue-Saudi-Arabia-Lawmaker-added-loophole-allows-State-department-stall-action.html

[Janet S.]

Yes, lyle. I posted your link on FB & the Freebeacon link & the Ammoland link.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

--When and where was all this stuff debunked?--

It wasn't.
The Dems said "So?" and the Reps said "Oh right, let's move on."

[DrJ]

http://m.tomshardware.com/

Oh noes. Back in the day Tom's was a reasonable site. These days I don't think it is worth visiting.

Try TechReport or AnandTech for general-purpose hardware reviews. There are others that specialize more, such as to storage, power supplies, monitors and the like.

[Porchlight]

I was just realizing today after an unpleasant wade through the wiener swamps at NRO and the Federalist that the #nevertrump crowd has switched from their almost incessant schoolgirl squealing of doom that "Oh no! Trump can never win!" to "Oh no! Trump is going to win!"

I predicted that a few weeks back but I'll never be able to find it today. :)

[daddy on the iPad give me Otezla or give me death]

Just watched again for the millionth time the Otezla ad again on the overhead TV here at the pub, where the fat homely gal in the brown mumu gives some tiny weed to some skinny bearded guy in glasses a dandelion, and than breaks up into tears of joy. What in the hell is that about?

I'm not asking just for me, I'm asking for the benefit of the aliens from other planets sitting around me at this pub.

What the hell does that ad mean? If I take Otezla, it'll make me happy to receive a tiny weed from a fat ugly gal? And then I'll do what exactly with that dandelion? Cherish it. Eat it? put it up my anal cavity? Give it to Tom Brady?

I am confuzzled. Whoever made that ad I want them put on my Robispiere list, just below Charles Murray and right above Geraldo.

[jimmyk on iPhone]

Dave, I've heard one rule of thumb is that it's 'gate' if no one dies, and 'quiddick' otherwise.

[Marlene]

*So*,the Anaheim protesters are throwing rocks at the police horses. Somebody call PETA.

[Miss Marple 2]

daddy,

Is that the medicine for psoriasis?

The dandelion is to show "connection", as before the medicine she would have been viewed with horror due to her skin condition.

I don't know why they had to put a fat chick in the add, either. It makes me think that one of the side effects is excessive weight gain.

[daddy on the iPad give me Otezla or give me death]

What is the thinking behind saying that Ryan is ready to endorse if Ryan is not yet ready?

Ryan either has to shit or get off the pot.

[Threadkiller]

They are probably thoughtful people willing to have reasoned discussions, Marlene.

[lyle]

Geraldo is in a permanent top ten seed in my Robespierre tournament.

[GUS]

Thanks Strawman.

[narciso]

questions to ponder, daddy,

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/books/authors/the-hitchhikers-guide-to-the-galaxy-the-best-douglas-adams-quote/douglas-adams-on-the-invention-of-the-wheel-from-the-restaurant/

[GUS]

Daddy, seems you are in a hateful mood today.
Gays, children, Wymyn, trannies, and now homely broads in MOO MOO's.

Why do you hate Otezla.

Btw, I just saw the "PRETZELS BABY" commercial and it cracks me up.

[Janet S.]

Somebody call PETA.

They're busy sneaking onto porches, stealing family pets & then killing the pet.

http://www.delmarvanow.com/story/news/local/virginia/2015/11/25/accomack-family-sues-peta-over-9-million/76369868/

[Marlene]

Oh,Governor LePage is awesome! He blasted the University of Maine for renting parking places reserved by the Wilderness Society for proponents of the National Monument. A forum was held in Orono recently and it was very proponent friendly. The Sierra Club paid for a bus to bring people up from Portland.
My opinion is that if they love trees and mosquitoes,then come on up and visit!

[lyle]

Speaking of commercials, am I alone in thinking 'Lil Sweet' is pretty damn funny in the Diet Dr. Pepper ads? The one where he rides off with the cat driving the toy car cracks me up.

[Jack is Back!]

Knowing Trump and The Art of The Deal, he set up Ryan to deny he is endorsing Trump at this time. Makes Ryan weaker in any negotiation having to answer/defend to a negative. Classic negotiating tactic not in political science playbooks but in finanicial deals.

Bravo Zulu, Donald!

Off to Frederick's guitar concert. Fingers crossed.

[narciso]

oh and btw, khamenei's replacement is not a moderate,

http://legalinsurrection.com/2016/05/hows-that-iran-nuclear-deal-working-out/#more-172552

[daddy on the iPad iif undies r worth $2 in 1993, in 2016 they must be worth...]

From Lyle's pasted pieces at 03:26 from the NYTimes on the previous page.

Hillary Clinton, a Yale Law graduate whose résumé includes stints at the Children’s Defense Fund and the House Judiciary Committee working on Watergate, spent more than a decade as first lady of Arkansas...

How amazingly fortunate were the good people of Arkansas that the Marines refused to take HIllary when she begged to get in the Corps, and was shot down for being too old, and she was able to turn all her efforts to improving the status of the Arkansas downtrodden, one $2 Dollar underwear Tax Deduction at a time. Bless her, and their wonderful luck.

[Marlene]

The commercial that drives me nuts is the Swiffer commercial. Someone has dog hair or dust bunnies on the floor and the Swiffer shows up at the front door. Ding,dong! My dog goes into a barking frenzy. I try to mute the TV when I see that commercial.

[narciso]

this is why I call it rupert pupkin

htt

[GUS]

Daddy, after the Marines wouldn't take her because she was a WYMYN, they told her "the dogs" would want her. I'm sure plenty of bitches have had her.
The list of bull(redacted) from Rodham goes on and on and on. The idea that she tried to join the Marines is about as absurd as it gets.

[daddy on the iPad I'm thinking I can deduct $17 bucks per Charity undies in 2016]

I was wondering today if Ryan is angling to be Mr. Trump's VP pick.

That would make sense if I thought Ryan had it in him to know how to run the Impeachment process. I'd bet he actually has a pretty good handle on the nuts and bolts of that.

[narciso]

remember that snip they took at the texas schoolbooks,

http://libertyunyielding.com/2016/05/25/authoritarian-propaganda-educational-publisher-scholastic-blurs-line-u-s-president-king/

[Marlene]

Gus,I'm reading Rita Coolidge's memoir. My guilty pleasure is reading all the gossipy rock memoirs. She reveals in her book that she and Jim Gordon (the drummer who killed his mother) composed the piano coda on "Layla."
Clapton never credited her.

[Janet S.]

Maybe it is time for a national discussion about ALL news sources - private & professional - having to release their raw video footage.

The MFM throws out accusations about Project Veritas & CMP (PP videos)....but they don't release their raw footage.

CMP actually released the raw footage for all their videos - http://www.centerformedicalprogress.org/cmp/investigative-footage/

[narciso]

Did not know that, about Clapton,

[henry]

JiB's negotiation jujitsu explanation sounds right. Ryan didn't know what hit him. It does knock Ryan off his "I'm the adult here and in control" GOPe snobbery.

[Miss Marple 2]

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/where-obamas-live-dc-after-white-house-223557

Now we have a description of the house, currently owned by Joe Lockhart.

[Beasts of England]

Hey GUS, I got to know Bobby Whitlock pretty well over the last fifteen years and Gordon's coda is a very sore subject. Had a longer comment about it, but Typhus ate it. Ugh.

[daddy on the iPad I'm thinking I can deduct $17 bucks per Charity undies in 2016]

My Wondrous Menage-a-Trois With Hillary and Huma: How My Backside Will Never Recover But I Couldn't Be Happier

The guest host subbing for Hannity on Rdiao today (Mark Simone(sp)) said he had listened to the just out movie that Team Hillary is trying to eliminate "WEINER', and that Hunna comes across in her statements in it not as a genius but as a total dolt.

Anybody seen it?

[narciso]

so I don't see how the flash retcon works out,

[Captain Hate]

she and Jim Gordon (the drummer who killed his mother) composed the piano coda on "Layla."
Clapton never credited her.

They, including Duane Allman, were so wasted on heroin during those sessions that it was probably the studio engineers who documented everything.

Beasts, I'd be interested in hearing some Whitlock inside stories.

[Captain Hate]

Marlene, was Rita Coolidge Jesse Ed Davis's sister? I'm too lazy to look it up.

[narciso]

holy decepticons, they are going to shoot the next transformers in cuba,

[daddy on the iPad with Earth wind and Fire on the overhead at the PuB. God bless Arcjie Abel and the Drells.]

JOM ECONOMiICTeam,

Quiz Time:

TM, JimmyK, , OL, banished good girlfriend Melinda ion Chi-town, TC, NK! and all other JOMers of whatever financial distinction and sexual orientation I have left out, here's the question:

If Hillary deducted $2 per bill's used undies back in 1991, what can a Guy or gal, claim on his/her Tax Return in 2016 for dirty briefs given to Salvation Army?

Kudlow BTW says he has been audited each and every year for the last 7 years so his opinion does not count.

[Miss Marple 2]

daddy!

Archaeology news!

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2016/may/23/eye-watering-scale-of-black-deaths-impact-on-england-revealed

[Marlene]

CH,I don't think so. I just started the book,the next chapter is the Kristofferson years.

[henry]

Daddy: if you are confirmed bundler for DNC, $200/pair; else $0.

[Theo]

Porch light. --

Sorry for the delay in getting back to you on your inquiry about my present thoughts on Trump's chances.

I will remind everyone that I never thought Trump would win the nomination. I was very negative on his chances to win the general if he was nominated.

The early -- probably too early to be meaningful -- polling of late has been better for him than I expected.

So my predictions have not been so good this year.

For what it's worth I think that Trump is the only conceivable Republican that Rodham could beat. She still has a very good chance of doing so. A long way to go and a lot will happen between now and November. Trump may still get blown out and he could certainly still lose.

But so far -- and it is not very far -- he is doing okay and better than expected.

I despise Rodham both as a person and for her policy stands. But I am not yet convinced that Trump is the better alternative. But that is another subject. In terms of his odds of winning, they are better than I expected at this stage.

[Marlene]

Rita calls out Pattie Boyd for being a fool because Clapton was a heroin addict. I also read Pattie's book and she tiptoes around the fact that Clapton quite likely abused her during drunken rages.

[Miss Marple 2]

Here's Mr. Intellectual Charles Murray:

Charles Murray ‏@charlesmurray 21m21 minutes ago

I confess to some curiosity about what today's twitter feed would look like if I hadn't muted a few hundred people over the last six months.
1 retweet 14 likes
-------------------------------
So, he has muted people who disagree with him. How snooty is this comment?

By the way, how many Trump supporters DEFENDED this jerk when he was attacked over his books? I did, and I even bought one.

[Captain Hate]

Turbotax has an estimator for charitable donations of clothing that are usually broken down by if they were in good or bad shape. Two bucks seems about right for Slick's skid mark repositories.

[Marlene]

Rita Coolidge also opines that Clapton had a sort of Brit elite,snob way about him. She said George Harrison was always a friendly and sweet man.

[Threadkiller]

But I am not yet convinced that Trump is the better alternative
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/clinton-on-qaddafi-we-came-we-saw-he-died/

[Theo]

TK --

Yes. Like a great many people I wish that there were a better alternative than these two truly awful candidates. This really stretches the point about voting for the "lesser evil."

[Miss Marple 2]

TK,

That quote Hillary said on Qaddafi's death was he very worst public comment I ever heard from anyone in government, even surpassing "I did not have sex with that woman" and "I won."

It was flat-out evil. How anyone could vote for her, I don't know.

[Beasts of England]

Bite me, Typhuspad!!

[Dave (in MA)]

"-gate" reminds of Watergate, a scandal associated with a Republican, putative conservative, so "-quiddick" should be used with Democrat scandals.

[narciso]

this story seems to have faded, I wonder why?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/experts-fear-doomed-egyptair-ms804-8050375#rlabs=1%20rt$category%20p$1

[Miss Marple 2]

Theo,

Trump loves the country, makes people feel like there is a way forward, loves the vets, and will probably do something about immigration.

Hillary does not love the country, is depressing to almost everyone, hates the military and the vets, and will open the borders. Plus the cackle and Bill Clinton.

Why sure, I wish Zombie Ronalad Reagan would emerge, but that isn't going to happen.

Choose. Evil or semi-good. Hate of America or patriotism. PC or non-PC.

You don't get to have a perfect candidate. I had to vote for McCain and Romney, because I love the country. The choice is yours, but think hard.

[Threadkiller]

Fast and Furious-quiddick

[Threadkiller]

There is always the Open Borders patriot, MM.

It is amusing to hear Michael Medved banter Johnson's name around, considering his former opinion of "loserrtarians."

[Theo]

MM --

I understand your argument. It's not that I have not heard it.

I am still cogitating. I keep hoping that something will come along and spare us from this ridiculous choice of two very bad candidates. But if these are the choices come November I will make up my mind then. Still time to learn more and still time for things to change.

I am happy for you that you have a candidate you like and agree with.

[Miss Marple 2]

TK,

Is that what Medved is tyling himself as? "Open Borders Patriot?"

How does that work? We let the Third World wander in and take over, and then we all pledge allegiance to Mexico?

Good grief!

[Theo]

TK --

Since I am not the single issue voter that you appear to be, I do think that Gary Johnson is worth considering. He probably comes closest to my personal views on government, which do tend towards libertarian (but with some reservations).

[Captain Hate]

You're right, Marlene. Soooooo she's not a Clapton fan. Was it the Layla thing, which tbh was probably at least as much the fault of Gordon, or something when they were all part of Delaney and Bonnie and Friends, from which EC snagged all the Dominoes?

Gossip, gossip, gossip; it's what the music bidness runs on in large part.

[Miss Marple 2]

Theo,

I am a realist. Trump is who we have. If you are hoping that someone else comes along, it is futile and, in my opinion, wishing for disaster.

Any late entrant will cause disarray in the GOP and cost us the election.

Trump is the guy. Pray on it, think about it, whatever. No one is going to come along and save you from this choice.

[Another Bob]

Curious. Anybody hear from DOT at all?

(I'm obviously not JOM "in crowd" but have mostly lurked enough to care.)

[Theo]

MM --

It is highly likely that this will be the choice. But things have a way of changing. It's been a very strange year and very few predictions have held up well -- certainly not mine.

I will continue to think about it and monitor the campaign. As I said, if the choice does come down to Rodham or Trump or third party or staying home, I will make my mind up at the end of the campaign, not the beginning.

[Captain Hate]

I saw Medved speak once when he had something to say worth listening to; it was a long time ago.

[Theo]

Another Bob --

He is very ill.

[Threadkiller]

Since I am not the single issue voter that you appear to be,

We all have single issues that are enough to count out a potential candidate. Sometimes there are more.

Open Borders are ok in your pro/con list, and not in mine.

It's all good.

[Captain Hate]

Another Bob, I'm sure some others here have emailed DoT and received cordial replies.

[Thomas Collins]

Theo, I would think that anyone of libertarian leanings would want Trump and not The Hill/Biden/Warren/Comrade appointing federal judges. Another four years of Dems appointing federal judges will enhance judicial willingness to uphold whatever anti-natural liberty legislation or regulations that are promulgated.

[Threadkiller]

http://www.luntzglobal.com/join-a-focus-group/

[Theo]

TK --

"Open Borders" is your description of his stance on immigration. I think he would dispute that characterization.

http://www.ontheissues.org/2012/Gary_Johnson_Immigration.htm

It is not the most important issue to me. I am not likely to find a candidate that I agree with on everything. His views on immigration do not make him a non starter for me.

[Miss Marple 2]

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-olympics-rio-corruption-exclusive-idUSKCN0YG2WT

Brazil is investigating Olympic venue corruption.

What a shocker.

[Thomas Collins]

There are probably continuing secret meetings in which a third party candidate such as Romney is being sought. But I don't think there will be a convention challenge to The Donald.

[Threadkiller]

From your link, Theo:

"Open the border; flood of Mexicans would become taxpayers

Q: What is your view of the immigration issue?

A: Hispanics who immigrate care about their families like other Americans care about their families. They're living in poverty in Mexico and can come to the US and do a lot better.

Q: By--according to some--taking away jobs.

A: They work the lowest-paying jobs. And they are taking jobs that other Americans don't necessarily want. They're hardworking people who are taking jobs that others don't want. That's the reality.

Q: Would you open the borders and make it easier to immigrate legally?

A: My vision of the border with Mexico is that a truck from the United States going into Mexico and a truck coming from Mexico into the United States will pass each other at the border going 60 miles an hour. Yes, we should have open borders.

Q: Many Americans fear the flood of immigrants that would follow.

A: They would become taxpayers. They're just pursuing dreams---the same dreams we all have. They work hard. What's wrong with that?"

[narciso]

the ewok's fur is really flying on twitter,

[Theo]

TC --

I was reasonably happy with Trump's list of potential Supreme Court nominees. If I trusted him to deliver, that would be a point in his favor. But even SCOTUS is not the only reason to vote for someone.

Trump is in no ways a libertarian himself. He is a big government man through and through. He does not appear to believe in either free markets or free trade. He is not a conservative. He is a populist and a nationalist with a pugnacious style, which I think explains almost all of his support.

I agree with others here who said that he would not have been my first, second or even fifth choice for the nomination. The question is whether to vote for him in the general and I have not made up my mind.

[Theo]

TK --

"The Governor supports a 2 year grace period for illegals to get work visas, after which those without work visas would be deported. He also believes in a "1 strike and you're out policy" for legal immigrants who violate the terms of their stay in the United States."

[Captain Hate]

When the ewok's few brain cells finally align around a coherent idea after months of rejecting it, it's good to have him on the team but way way at the end of the bench and only put him in to kick Draymond Green in the nards.

[narciso]

it really is turtles all the way down,

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/05/25/the-taliban-s-cruel-new-leader.html

[Threadkiller]

"My vision of the border with Mexico is that a truck from the United States going into Mexico and a truck coming from Mexico into the United States will pass each other at the border going 60 miles an hour. Yes, we should have open borders."