The Times On Hillary's Emails - Everybody's Doing It

The Times fronts the latest Admin spin as they brace for Team Obama's cover-up on Hillary's emails:

Released Emails Show Use of Unclassified Systems Was Routine

By STEVEN LEE MYERS MAY 10, 2016

...

A review of the 30,322 emails from Mrs. Clinton’s private server that the State Department has made public under the Freedom of Information Act provides an extensive record of how such sensitive information often looped throughout President Obama’s foreign policy apparatus on unclassified systems, from embassies to the United Nations to the White House.

The senders included Denis R. McDonough, currently the White House chief of staff and previously the deputy national security adviser, and Susan E. Rice, the former American representative at the United Nations who is now Mr. Obama’s national security adviser.

Many of the emails were sent over the State Department’s unclassified system, state.gov, which is considered secure but not at the level of the State Department’s system for emailing classified information.

At the State Department, the Pentagon and the White House, among other agencies, officials have two systems for email, one for classified messages and one for more routine business. They are nicknamed the “high side” and the “low side.”

And below the "low side" we have...

Mrs. Clinton’s private server — set up in her home in Westchester County, N.Y. — was assumed to be even less secure than the State Department’s “low side,” although the unclassified servers at some government agencies have been hacked in recent years.

Their gist - officials routinely use the "low side" for stuff that arguably ought to be classified and put on the high side. Therefore, Hillary's use of an even less secure server has no criminal implications relative to national security, State Department record-keeping requirements, or the Freedom of Information Act.

Yeah, whatever. I live for the day when a top Goldman Sachs official explains that all these SEC and Dodd-Frank electronic record keeping requirements puzzle and confuse him, so he put all his email on a private server. Who wouldn't?

 

Comments

[James D]

henry @ 8:45

Trump should tell the press he'll release his tax returns when the Clinton Family Foundation releases theirs, along with all their financial statements and donor lists. In full. For the last 10 years.

[Beasts of England]

Rience will also be there.

My phone tried to autocorrect 'Rience' as 'Dems'. lol

And that dude's name is pronounced Ryence, like rye bread? I'll save my snark allowance for the after-RNC kerfuffle...

[Momto2]

On the tax return kerfluffle - I believe we are about to witness what happens when someone on our side (FOR ONCE) stands up to the press and their "demands" and simply says, "No!"

[henry]

Beasts, Rience was considered a guy "most likely to be wedgied" by my state senator buddy long before he became WIGOP then RNC head. Ever hear Rience speak?

[Threadkiller]

The mob?

Romney had no problem accepting mob dough in 2012 when Trump endorsed him, I guess.

Didn't that endorsement happen in Vegas?

[Miss Marple 2]

Threadkiller,

Why yes, yes it did.

I am finding this quite amusing this morning.

I am eventually going to have to get some work done, but gosh, this is too funny.

Ryan's motorcade arriving now. Trump, too, who got out of his car behind the jam and is walking.

Protestors of course outside yelling in mostly Spanish.

[Beasts of England]

I've never heard the guy speak, henry, but he looks like the poster boy for the atomic wedgie! :)

[Captain Hate]

There were a lot of things Quayle should have responded to that loathsome backbencher, Lloyd Bentsen. The fact was that it was an incredible line, on par with what Reagan nailed Carter and Mondale with, because we're still talking about it today. I guess the only effective response would be to acknowledge that it was a good zinger but when the laughter died down people might want to consider how far the values of JFK differ from the the donk party today that a GOP candidate is embracing them against his opponent. I'm not even sure that would have worked.

[Janet S.]

Trump should just say all of his tax returns were stored on a private server in his basement but they were lost when the hot water heater sprung a leak.

and

Trump should tell the press he'll release his tax returns after Obama releases his college transcripts.

Both good responses. Are the talking heads implying they don't trust the IRS?

[Captain Hate]

Protestors of course outside yelling in mostly Spanish.

Send their lifeless bodies back to Vincente Fox's third world toilet. COD.

[rich@gmu]

Posted by: Miss Marple 2 | May 12, 2016 at 08:55 AM

so the media is covering it like the OJ slow chase or an old Tyson fight ...

[Johns_Creek_Bill]

Responding to two posts overnight:

Lurker Suzy: I am supporting neither Trump nor PIAPS, hence my reference to the Mets vs. Yankees World Series.

Ignatz: The back up to our tax returns Indicates itemized charitable contributions. While tax returns do not list net worth they can provide a clue.

[Johns_Creek_Bill]

And in the really big news - could Bruce Jenner be making a comeback (link LUN)?

I always half suspected it might be a scam to bleed more money out of what ever network funds the Kardashiens.

[Miss Marple 2]

Code Pink outside the RNC:

Note Medea Benjamin holding the sign.

[Marlene]

The protesters are mingled in with the press.
That seems like a security issue. I'm touchy about the rent-a-mob,because the daughter's office is periodically a rent-a-mob protest site.
JamesD,you mentioned the homeless in D.C.
The daughter told us that her area (Gallery Place) is terrible. She said she was walking back to the office from an appointment the other day and someone was sprawled on the sidewalk. She thought the person was dead. She nudged him and said, wake up! Then a policewoman on a Segway came down the sidewalk and took care of the situation.

[buccaneer morgan]

Thin of it like Michael's meet with mccluskey and turk solozzo.

So roussef, the scarlet queen has been impeached, would that there would this kind of courage here.

[rich@gmu]

Johns_Creek_Bill-

not sure I would call charitable deducting each piece of dirty drawers someone donated to the Salvation Army ...

additionally, using that measure, I'm pretty sure Clinton would win the most generous contest-because she can donate to a foundation she controls-not dissimilar to Grandpa Buffett donating billions to a foundation he controls.

[Miss Marple 2]

http://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2016-05-12/u-s-stopped-blacklisting-domestic-terror-charities-under-obama

[Jack is Back!]

Dan Quayle, scratch golfer unlike Zippy and Bubba who both request 10 foot gimme's.

Ginni Thomas emails that there is an Air Force whistleblower who has stated they could have made it to Benghazi from Aviano in 3 hours to at least have cancelled the 2nd mortar attack that killed the two ex-SEALS. And that the Obama admin wouldn't pull the trigger which pissed off the crews. Of course, this will go nowhere.

There is no way in hell you can even guess net worth from a tax return. You don't list assets or liabilities on tax returns. Plus you don't have to list medical expenses if you don't want to take that deduction or charitable contributions if you don't want to take that deduction, etc. So a tax return won't always reveal someone's medical condition or scrooge mentality.

[rich@gmu]

or more generally ... I'm unpersuaded that the charitable deductions on a tax form would show someone's charitability.

is the argument really going to be Hillary is more generous than The Donald?

[buccaneer morgan]

Aviano didn't occur to me, McEwen did outline 6 other ways one could have releaved the garrison.

[henry]

rich, Hillary wont be mentioned. Donald will be more miserly than whatever strawman is at hand (Romney?)

[buccaneer morgan]

In the end it didn't work because Quayle stayed on the ticket, and poppy won. Which gives him ten points over maverick.

[Miss Marple 2]

Fox just had a voice-garbled interview from the Air Force whistleblower. Says crews are upset but are afraid of retribution.

NONE have been interviewed by Benghazi committee.

[Captain Hate]

the homeless in D.C.
The daughter told us that her area (Gallery Place) is terrible.

Zippy's America.

[Janet S.]

"Trump should just say all of his tax returns were stored on a private server in his basement but they were lost when the hot water heater sprung a leak."

a FB friend wrote - "or, that he emailed them (as attachments) to Hillary Clinton back in 2014, so we should look there first."

Hah!

[Johns_Creek_Bill]

Rich - it's all about the optics. It is suspected that Trump is not charitable. If that is the case it gives the MSM/DNC another hammer to pound Trump with.

It certainly would not be fair because the Clinton's biggest charity is themselves.

But then fairness or truth are not exactly considerations when it comes the MSM/DNC when a narrative is being advanced.

So far Trump has been able to move in beyond issues and statements that would have sunk other candidates. If he can continue to due so he just might win.

[James D]

Marlene @ 9:17

I work about 5 blocks from the White House. In the two blocks between my office and the bus stop, there are 5 regular homeless panhandlers, every day, staked out in their constant spots.

[Miss Marple 2]

What is the point of Romney doing this?

Trying to wrest the nomination in a floor fight?

Sabotaging the campaign so he can not look like the only loser?

Taking advice from his loser campaign consultant?

[Threadkiller]

Romney is trying to please people who can't bring themselves to vote for Trump.

[Beasts of England]

Moar rebar.

[buccaneer morgan]

Probably all three, but they forget the first rule of fight club.

[henry]

Romney is going for the Guinness Book listing for "Cleanest Toga"

[Captain Hate]

NONE have been interviewed by Benghazi committee.

*Gasp*. You mean GOPe heartthrob TREY GOWDY has left a stone unturned? Unpossible. Maybe it interfered with his standup routine on the floating fainting couch.

He'd make a GREAT replacement for Lynch; the transition would be seamless.

[Old Lurker]

Not only is JiB exactly right in his 9:21 comment about tax returns, NOBODY with any serious amount of cash flow and assets (note I did not say "taxable income") who is represented by competent tax lawyers and accountants will reveal anything in an easy to understand form on any tax return. Each box on each return will contain only the number called for in that specific box, which will be honest, but will have as little detail or explanation as is demanded by the law, no more and no less. Period.

[Truthbetold5]

Trump endorses Hillary Clinton

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=N5A02pNcGHs&time_continue=53&ebc=ANyPxKqfh8tj1S8jBBQPWUcYBIJ5cIC47vRUZMVinO6iXZXms3KCT0v5180T--tmiQCar3QF6yUqtgdlT0kZbsWs4D835w5Zfg

[buccaneer morgan]

Meanwhile the turba chief who put out a bounty on Zimmerman is the head of that organization.

[Johns_Creek_Bill]

JIB,

If Trump's tax return showed AGI of $100,000 it would be an issue no matter how legitimate it was.

Trump's returns are probably exceedingly complex. With complexity comes confusion. With confusion comes opportunity for the MSM/DNC to create a narrative.

Whether it is true or not somebody would take something out the returns and spin it. For example: How could Tump be worth $10B when is income is X?. Now we know that it is possible for someone to be worth $100M and collect food stamps, however, narratives avoid such nuances.

[rich@gmu]

>>>it's all about the optics. It is suspected that Trump is not charitable. If that is the case it gives the MSM/DNC another hammer to pound Trump with.<<<

that he is as miserly as Marley and as decadent as a Saudi prince ... pretty sure that easy characterization will get swatted away.

[buccaneer morgan]

Yes gowdy has been dissapointing, then again so was bill clinger, a generation back, as was Thompson.

[Miss Marple 2]

My husband and I had complicated tax returns for our income level:

1. My business with depreciation on items and expenses broken up into obscure categories.

2. Husband's work in foreign country with allowances for taxes paid to foreign countries and such.

The last return we filed jointly before he filed for divorce was about 35 pages, and when I went over it I had to ask about certain items because I had no idea what was being reported.

Trump's returns are about a bazillion times more complicated, and it would be easy for reporters to take one page and misrepresent its significance.

I am also not sure a business should give public access to all that information.

[Old Lurker]

BS "If Trump's tax return showed AGI of $100,000 it would be an issue no matter how legitimate it was."

I know real estate developers with hundreds of millions in assets who reprt legitimate AGI of well less than zero.

I don't think I myself reported any positive AGI for at least twenty years of my active career.

[Johns_Creek_Bill]

I suspect Romney is doing this as part of a long shot effort to damage Trump enough to prompt a floor fight.

It won't work but it's the only arrow left.

[Truthbetold5]

Not voting for Hillary is a vote for Trump. Right?

[Threadkiller]

Boone Pickens: I support Trump and his plan to ban unvetted Muslim immigrantsThe billionaire energy tycoon threw his support behind Donald Trump for president at the SALT Conference on Wednesday.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/boone-pickens-supporting-donald-trump-183315760.html

[rich@gmu]

although R$ couldn't get away from his characterization as the Monopoly Man with a fetish for abusing dogs ...

[buccaneer morgan]

Now mittens having been pwned before, should have stayed silent, just as when they were going to move to go to the next step and accuse him of funding the Salvadoran paramilitaries.

[Old Lurker]

When did low reported charitable deductions ever hurt an Al Gore, Bill Clinton or any other Dem?

[Captain Hate]

This addled fool jumps on the "intent" train

http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/washington-post-bob-woodward-donald-trump-reporters/2016/05/11/id/728416/?ns_mail_uid=32944113&ns_mail_job=1667942_05122016&s=al&dkt_nbr=z1ggkpy3

[James D]

CH @ 9:44

Considering the damage Holder did, and that Lynch is doing and will continue to do for the next seven months, I would happily trade them for an AG who was useless, toothless and ineffectual.

[Threadkiller]

Romney brings arrows to a gun fight.

[buccaneer morgan]

Seriously after 8 years of the solon from scranton, the attack on Quayle seems a tad hypocritical, but that's all they had when they ran the cyberman on the ticket.

[rich@gmu]

OL-

never.

[Threadkiller]

JCB, are you as worried about Gary Johnson's open border policy as you are about Trump's taxes?

[rich@gmu]

Johns_Creek_Bill-

or it is pillow talk of all the corporate politicians and their boyfriends that R$ wants to mainstream ...

[glasater]

Being in a peripheral part of the RE biz I got a kick out of this tweet pic:

[Old Lurker]

BTW I have a good friend whose family gives away literally many millions of dollars every year, and in every case, every single one, it is recorded as "Anonymous" by each charity and I assure you that you would have to dig through a very tall stack of corporate, trust and foundation tax returns to find any of the bread crumbs for any of those donations. They could have their names on buildings all over the country if they wanted, but they don't want that.

[Johns_Creek_Bill]

OL - The issue isn't legitimacy, it is optics.

If Trump has to take his time explaining why his tax return does not reflect the lifestyle he lives he is losing the fight.

In order to win Trump has to convince voters who are not inclined to vote for him. If the MSM/DNC can label him as a probable tax cheat, even though it is not true, it makes Trump's job more difficult.

[Threadkiller]

LOL, glasater!

[Threadkiller]

In order to lose so-called conservatives need to prefer a Democrat in the Whitehouse.

[Threadkiller]

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/05/11/oh-dear-lou-dobbs-eviscerates-house-speaker-paul-omnibus-ryan/

[buccaneer morgan]

It this gets any more risiculous, they would have to exhume Cowell from bananas.

[Johns_Creek_Bill]

"When did low reported charitable deductions ever hurt an Al Gore, Bill Clinton or any other Dem?

Posted by: Old Lurker | May 12, 2016 at 09:54 AM"

When did the MSM make an issue of it? When has the MSM not been hypocritical?

There will be an attempt to make Trump's philandering and alleged treatment of women an issue. When have they ever done that to a Democrat?

[Old Lurker]

BS again, JCB.

He does not have to prove exactly when he stopped beating his wife either.

You could never provide me with satisfactory proof that Obama is as smart as they say he is, nor that the Clintons are not crooks, any more than I could convince you of the opposite.

[rich@gmu]

OL-

and since your connected and the man about town do you know what is being built over at Tyson's Corner-about mile marker 45 on the beltway on the right hand side as you are going north. Tall cranes and a pretty deep pit ...

[Johns_Creek_Bill]

BTW I have a good friend whose family gives away literally many millions of dollars every year, and in every case, every single one, it is recorded as "Anonymous" by each charity and I assure you that you would have to dig through a very tall stack of corporate, trust and foundation tax returns to find any of the bread crumbs for any of those donations. They could have their names on buildings all over the country if they wanted, but they don't want that.

Posted by: Old Lurker | May 12, 2016 at 09:59 AM

And we all know that Trump is too humble to put his name on anything.

[Jack is Back!]

JCB,

My point is that you cannot guess net worth or even calculate it from a Federal tax return. No way.

[rich@gmu]

damn it your-> you're

... coffee or I'm not used to being up this early in the morning.

[Beasts of England]

So, Mitt said that Trump's refusal to release his tax forms is 'disqualifying'. Maybe I should go do some work today - or buy a boat - so that my head doesn't explode...

[cheerleader]

Mr. Trump should release the numbers as to how much money he raised for Mitt.

[buccaneer morgan]

And the ministry of love, opening the schlager trial, one week before the election is just coincidence in south Carolina.

[rich@gmu]

glasater

reading about your meet up was a treat.

[Old Lurker]

I was only pulling the rug out from under your tendency to make sweeping generalizations about people not like yourself, JCB, and about whom you know nothing.

[Captain Hate]

Where was this tenacious take no prisoners R$ in October 2012?

[rich@gmu]

and that is a clever ad ...

[Threadkiller]

http://bush.tamu.edu/about/visit/facilities/

Talk about humble.

[Old Lurker]

Rich, several of those cranes are by friends of mine. I think that quadrant of Tysons on both side of the Beltway will see 13 new buildings in the near future now that the Metro is getting extended out to Dulles.

[Johns_Creek_Bill]

JIB - but you can create a narrative from it. That is my only point.

The MSM is going to use any tool, including distortions of the truth, to boost Hillary.

[Captain Hate]

Trump will respond to tax questions by saying reporters don't make enough, even with being hugely overpaid, to understand his forms.

[rich@gmu]

so Trump is going to be painted with a heavy coat of woman-hater, racist, and tax cheat and the R$ constituency is going to play along ... wow it must be a Thursday.

[Threadkiller]

Mitt should nut up and tell us what he suspects the "bombshell" to be.

Lay it out there. Save the country, Mitt.

Do it!

[rich@gmu]

TK-

the UBS "scandal" ... oddly no names leaked from that-yet.

[Old Lurker]

Cap'n, maybe he will hire Ben Rhodes to opine about the smarts of reporters in the Blob who know nothing about foreign policy also not being able to follow any tax return longer than an EZ Short Form.

[Truthbetold5]

Trump supporters don't care if he shoots someone on 5th ave. Why would they care what his taxes would reveal?

He can do no wrong as far as they are concerned.

[Threadkiller]

including distortions of the truth

Looks like Trump will need the support of voters that don't fall for the MFM trap.

Too bad the necessary bloc of voters first want Trump to fall for the trap.

Tough choices.

[rich@gmu]

thanks OL.

[Captain Hate]

OL, I'd love to hear Trump tell those drones "I, or rather my people, send out W2s; you receive them".

[Miss Marple 2]

Why are we still following Mitt Romney's narrative and discussing tax forms?

It's obvious Romney is trying to hijack the story line and get himself in the news.

I suggest we go back to asking about the Air Force whistleblower and why THAT isn't the number one story!

[cheerleader]

I doubt that Mylo Yiannopolous, one of Mr. Trump's most outspoken supporters, is part of the Chick-Fil-A crowd.

[Truthbetold5]

Lawsuit Filed Against Convicted Felon George Soros & Donald Trump ~ Colluded In Multi $Billion Money Laundering/Bankruptcy Fraud

http://www.truthcontrol.com/forum/lawsuit-filed-against-convicted-felon-george-soros-donald-trump-colluded-multi-billion-money

[Beasts of England]

Once again, maybe Trump's taxes reveal some untoward information - and maybe they don't - but it will pale in comparison to the Clinton Crime Foundation returns. And that is where Mitt and the rest of the White Toga Turds need to have their focus. Otherwise, they're traitors.

[Truthbetold5]

Not voting for Hillary is voting for Trump. Right?

[Lurker Susie]

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[rich@gmu]

NEW THREAD!!!!

[Old Lurker]

Beasts. Go buy a boat. Post a new picture of those two babes shown on the picture of your old boat ASAP, or their younger now-of-age sisters.

Seriously as to Trump's tax returns and business affairs. Who does not assume his tax returns use every device in the book to allow him to pay no more than the amount of tax the law demands and no sooner than the law demands it. Does anyone really think that any building could be built in NYC or Chicago that did not involve services purchased from companies run by guys with broken noses, or assisted by politicians related to them? Would you really really expect every laborer on every job and every employee in every building to possess squeaky clean employment papers?

If so, then you would have to assume LBJ and Harry Reid became multimillionaires by carefully saving their government salaries, right?

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

The issues that began this discussion were knowing who Trump gave to and knowing his net worth.

You don't have to name the charities you gave to on your return and there is self evidently no way to know or even guess someone's net worth from a tax return if you do not know what their assets are or in what form they are. You can WAG from public records but that is not the same thing.

[Old Lurker]

"You can WAG from public records" and even that is very easy to prevent. There is a reason rich families arrange their affairs so that public probate is avoided, or that business people operating in risky fields might make their assets hard to uncover.

[Beasts of England]

We're about thirty thousand apart on the new vessel, OL. It does have a drawer refrigerator and a hydraulic swim platform - two 'necessities' that the current Subterfuge lacks. :(

I am taking donations, though. The ROI sucks, but the intangibles are pretty outrageous!! And you'll get a free copy of the Bikini Babe of the Month calendar. Mrs. OL won't mind. I can call her directly if you think it'll help...

[Old Lurker]

"Mrs. OL won't mind. I can call her directly if you think it'll help..."

There is a reason she banned every one of my Vargas prints to my office above the Pool House.

[Beasts of England]

lol, OL!! I'm just impressed that you remembered the photo of the two girls.

And since it's a dead thread, I'll share my favorite boating event with those two. We had headed out of my place rather early (for us) and it was Mimosa Day, so we had plenty of champagne. I knew I was low on gas, but the marina was 'only' about six miles away.

We took off and didn't make it to the main channel. I called the marina and they said I'd be dead in the water for an hour before they could launch. So the girls - and maybe me - start drinking heavily. By the time the guy came around Buck Island in his dinghy, the two of them were hiding in the bow 'bed', armed with Champagne bottles. They soaked him pretty good. And it's amazing what a couple of smokin' hot chicks in bikinis can get away with...

He's a young guy - and now a buddy - and he thought it was about the best fun ever. I thought it was $350 (plus tip) and two bottles of bubbles, myself. :)