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June 15, 2016

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Janet

The one I have is day 9.

jimmyk

I've seen three articles from the left, re: Orlando, that tied Republican opposition to gay marriage to the open climate of hate that provided cover to the Islamic terrorist.

Apparently Anderson Cooper among others has suggested that it's hypocritical to condemn the Orlando attack while opposing SSM. His defenders say that to oppose SSM "dehumanizes" gays.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/06/15/anderson-cooper-hypocritical-oppose-gay-marriage-orlando-massacre/

It seems that the left cannot even see that there are two sides to some issues, so to oppose SSM is akin to murder, or something.

cheerleader

Maybe some of the protestors will protest the new rules and they'll start fighting each other.

Sue

I read Mr. French's article and I thought he said he didn't like the term radical Islam because it makes it seem like there is a segment of Islam that is radical when in fact all of Islam believes gays should be killed, etc. Maybe I read it wrong, but I thought he was saying Islam itself is radical.

henry

His petulance is in Orlando... how fast does he blow off victims / families and commandeer the nearest golf course?

henry

Sue, I agree. French appeared to say the problem is normal Islam, to declare a radical subset the problem is to deny reality.

Dave (in MA)

One of the major party Presidential candidates currently in the race ran for President with an anti-SSM position.

The other one didn't.

(I didn't check about Johnson. Who gives a crap?)

Miss Marple 2

http://nationalinterest.org/feature/hillarys-huge-libya-disaster-16600

Miss Marple 2

The MP who was attacked has died.

cheerleader

I hope Mr. Trump addresses Cooper's equating cold blooded mass murder with Christian dissent to gay marriage.

Janet

One of the major party Presidential candidates currently in the race ran for President with an anti-SSM position.

The other one didn't.

Yeah...& what about the uber evil, #1 most awful thing anyone could do...vote for the Iraq war issue?
Does THAT not matter anymore?

Janet

Will Code Pink be shoving their bloody hands into Hillary's face?...or throwing shoes at her?

They should put on their vagina costumes & pummel Hillary for her Iraq War vote.

Miss Marple 2

Let me recommend this article again:

http://nationalinterest.org/feature/hillarys-huge-libya-disaster-16600

The formatting makes it a bit difficult to read (big unboroken paragraphs) but it is well worth reading to se what ELSE the administtration is trying to push on the Libyan people, including undermining their elected, non-ISIS government.

It is written by former Admiral Charles Kubric, who is now a national security advisor to Donald Trump.

RattlerGator

Random question (not really): do the millennials think Wikileaks is a valid source of info or not? I think Assange is a stooge for Russia, but do they?
Posted by: henry | June 16, 2016 at 11:30 AM

Henry, one of my great disappointments has been the national lack of contemplation re Russian operatives in this country. Many on the left have been used by Russian interests without the exercise of anything remotely close to healthy skepticism.

I have no doubt Wikileaks acts as something of a stooge for them (and, somewhat off-topic, that Snowden is a Russian operative and an American traitor) but -- yes -- they will likely be seen as sufficiently legit by enough millenials to matter.

With respect to these eMails, it will be interesting to see what kind of bombs they attempt to drop.

rse

On the rewiring aspect that I was not quite expecting, but is now quite clear this is an example. http://www.learningandthebrain.com/Event-338/Neuroscience-and-Classroom-Engagement/Program

In Santa Barbara this summer. Most of my evidence is neither succinct or easily linkable but that just came from june newsletter.

I noticed yesterday Duke has renamed its department of Psych with "& neuroscience" now.

Miss Marple 2

rse,

It would be helpful to see some examples of the procedures used int he classroom. Those of us aware of your work understand the pitfalls, but to the lay person reading that news release it just looks like sciencey education techniques and not at all threatening.

squaredance

A nice follow up to that, rse, is a review of just how much pseudo science gets passed along as "neurosciences". You may think that this is somehow a scientific "broadening" of Psychology or psychiatry--both really pseudos sciences to begin with, but it is not. It is really an attempt to give "scientific" cover to these fields.

In fact, neurosciences today, as with Psychology or Sociology, are mostly matter of opinion back by some vert dubious "statistical studies".

Often it is little more than politically oriented psychobabble.

This is why the left loves them all so much; they do not have to prove anything at all, and they do not have to engage in the tough rigor that the hard sciences do.

The real disaster is not that they have some grim but successful science fir they do not; it that they are wrong and it cannot work, but meantime they are destroying education and with it society itself.

So I would urge you to do a little study on your own about the actual state of "neurosciences" today.

Porchlight

Thanks Janet and MM! I

Miss Marple 2

David Burge Retweeted
David Wooding ‏@DavidWooding 2h2 hours ago London, England

Earlier I posted Mail report which said man who shot Jo Cox shouted "Britain First". Doubts now cast on his words.

Porchlight

Sent too soon. Meant to say I appreciate it!

Does anyone think this terrible assassination in the UK will doom Brexit?

Miss Marple 2

https://www.propublica.org/article/senator-red-cross-misled-congress-refused-to-level-with-people-haiti-money

Miss Marple 2

Porchlight,

Hard to say. A lot will depend on the real motivation of the shooter, not the made-up stuff the media will push.

lyle

Does anyone think this terrible assassination in the UK will doom Brexit?

I'd bet not. Might even stiffen the spines of the pro-exit people. But what do I know? 'Bout to find out.

James D

I hope it doesn't, Porch. But from the initial articles, it sure looks like the EU supporters will do everything in their power to use it that way.

clarice

http://www.wsj.com/articles/americans-are-sometimes-collateral-damage-1466098940

FTA:It is difficult to see how an attack on a nightclub in Florida (or local employees in San Bernardino, Calif., or the Boston Marathon, or the World Trade Center, or any number of non-Islamic targets outside the U.S.) is part of a war within Islam as opposed to a war that a part of Islam is waging against Western civilization.

But even if we’re wrong about that and Obama is right, shouldn’t the top priority of the U.S. president be to prevent the Muslim civil war from being waged on American soil?

Porchlight

Thanks, all.

Don't let us down, Britain. Do it for PeterUK!

boris

"French appeared to say the problem is normal Islam, to declare a radical subset the problem is to deny reality"

Compassionate conservative was an example of that. Possible response would be that "subset" is inferred rather than implied.

jimmyk

I believe Brian Ross was the source of the claim that the killer shouted "Britain First!"

Beasts of England

I'll re-read French's piece again this afternoon. Maybe my utter disdain for the turd colored my perception. :)

Miss Marple 2

http://thehill.com/policy/technology/283771-powerful-chairman-says-he-wont-endorse-trump

Fred Upton, the light bulb ban guy.

Anyone surprised?

rse

SQ-I would describe neuroscience today as aspirational and I have books old enough that they acknowledge this is just a theory. It is more than that now and what goes under various names in the states as the common core but are actually demonstrations of behavior and especially in digital environments is the expected mother lode of data and what can be changed and how that has always been needed.

The teacher candidates get told something will make for better learning and they will not get a license or tenure if they do not go along and so they do. I have had ed profs essentially smuggle me in to listen so this is not speculation. Because the mandated practice is designed to have a certain effect whatever the teacher's personal intentions or motivations, just mandated x can have the rewiring effect with teachers not necessarily being the wiser.

So what is actually just an aspiration can turn into a rewired brain just by being mandated under a false explanation of why it is needed. Then the brain really does work that way.

MM-I do have the required change in practices which is why I know in many cases we are dealing with teachers being turned into Inadvertent Change Agents. That is where the not easily linkable comes in but very amenable to a powerpoint.

Also when this hits full force varies with who the administrators are. Lose a traditional principal and ideological change agents do seem to be the replacements. Most of the people who comment most regularly on my blog actually have kids in private schools.

I live in a cutting edge district that keeps showing up in my research without me looking for it because I am, or was, chasing after that final vision. One thing I may have to talk to an IP lawyer about is how to use the graphics that lay out visually what is sought and have been paid for repeatedly with tax dollars but have a copyright symbol on them. If I was doing professional development pushing the practices the permission would be easy.

But using the graphics to disclose what is aimed at is trickier. I can, however, draw myself and that may be the answer.

clarice

How 538 lost all credibility:http://donsurber.blogspot.com/2016/06/one-year-ago-today-538-made-this-bold.html?spref=tw

Beasts of England

I wonder if opposition to plural marriage dehumanizes all people? That's an extension of their 'logic', right? The gays were adamant that marriage was only between two people, by the way.

lyle

shouldn’t the top priority of the U.S. president be to prevent the Muslim civil war from being waged on American soil?

Not this U.S. prez.

I've had it up to here with pundits and hacks on both sides assuring us--to the point of mocking--that Zippy IS-NOT-A-MUSLIM-HAVE-YOU-NO-SHAME? To which many us have posed a simple question that no one will answer. To wit: If King B Hussein O were an openly professed, practicing devout Muslim, how would his words and actions have differed over the past seven and a half years?

James D

If there's not a basic expectation that elected politicians in a party will support their party's other nominees for office, what the (redacted) is the point of having a party in the first place?

And what's the point of having a lavishly paid party leadership (paid by donations solicited from voters)?

jimmyk

Fred Upton, the light bulb ban guy.

More important, that's Kate's uncle.

Old Lurker

I'm confused. The Drudge headline is that MP was "Stabbed and Shot Dead..."

I thought guns were illegal in the UK?

Old Lurker

The only thing good about Fred Upton is his gene pool.

Beasts of England

Exactly, James D! And I still never received a link to Ryan's alleged 'endorsement' of Trump. Wonder why that is? :)

Jack is Back!

The guy who kiled Jo Cox is a small town loner and most likely mentally ill. No effect on Brexit unless the Cameron-Labour-City coalition make it so and if they do they should all die in JamesD's proverbial "locked house".

Hard to belive that it is the Gay Activist Community with their talking head pundits like Cooper and Kohn who are pusing the Christian angle instead of the Muslim angle.

Oh, hell what am I thinking, its not hard to believe. In fact, I am sort of surprised it took more than 24 hours for them to come home to roost.

lyle

http://hotair.com/archives/2016/06/16/no-flyno-buy-is-a-big-fat-lie-and-the-democrats-know-it/

Click on this only to see how a progtard dangerously handles a weapon. Closed breach and finger on the trigger. Yet it's [redacted] fools like her that claim to know what is dangerous and what is not.

lyle

Also, magazine is still attached. All for show to make it a SBG.

Beasts of England

That's not a magazine, lyle, it's a high-capacity killer assault clip!!

lyle

Even MOAR scary, Beasts!!!11!1!!

Old Lurker

Where GOPe realizes an election is coming so they need to fool their base once again:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jun/16/house-gop-congress-must-reclaim-its-powers/

lyle

https://pjmedia.com/trending/2016/06/16/labour-party-mp-jo-cox-murdered-in-britain/2/

Recent polls have shown British public opinion tilting in favor of the "Leave" movement; Ms. Cox was a supporter of "Remain."

I didn't know this. I assumed she was a supporter of "Leave."

lyle

Just as the prospect of a hanging in a fortnight focuses the mind, OL. The [redacted] GOPe is worried sick about...Trump.

Miss Marple 2

The "No Fly" list and the "Under active FBI investigation twice" list are two separate things.

The media is conflating them into one.

Miss Marple 2


John Sexton ‏@verumserum 27m27 minutes ago

Note that Mateen was not motivated by use of phrase "radical Islam" but by bombing/drone campaign which Obama supports.
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Neo

"We all agree,” Manchin said. “How much due process and redressing are we going to allow? How can a person get out of a system they may be put in erroneously? How much caution should we take that you had probably cause. I can tell you to get to the level where the FBI came and took a look at you, there’s more than probable cause.

LUN

henry

Miss M, the govt (DHS) claims right wing Christians are a bigger threat than Muslims. Who would end up on their secret "no guns list"?

Miss Marple 2

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016/06/12/amb-john-bolton-two-critical-conclusions-from-orlando-terror-attack.html?intcmp=hphz03

boris

"little more than politically oriented psychobabble"

The left and islam share a lot of underlying postmodern philosophy. The left would like to duplicate the success of islam indoctrinating group insanity ... as demonstrated by self detonations for example.

It would be wrong to assume it can't be done.

I started listening to Rush early 80s when I heard him talk about what education was attempting to do. Until then I didn't know others were aware of what seemed like a serious problem. The progress since then has been sickening and depressing.

Why parents put up with it is a mystery.

Maybe they can't grasp what is being attempted. Just telling them is too hard to accept. RSE may have all kinds of documented proof but it's like having documented proof of things nobody wants to believe. Aliens or demons or mermen or big foot or abdominal snowmen. Most people need more than documentation.

If RSE could get Don LaFontaine ...

clarice

Heh-- wine lovers:http://fortune.com/2016/06/14/wine-cheap-best-supermarket/?icid=maing-grid7%7Cmain5%7Cdl8%7Csec1_lnk2%26pLid%3D-1798742972_htmlws-main-bb

Miss Marple 2

henry,

Seems to me if a guy has been investigated by the FBI twice because of links to terrorists and he goes to buy guns, maybe there should be a "must monitor" list at the FBI?

The DHS which has been shown to be incompetent shouldn't be near any of this. And, the "No Fly" list shouldn't be used for it, either.

buccaneer morgan

So I scanned brad thor, so you don't have to, there's a series of terror attacks, orchestrated by a survivor of beslan, who became a spetnaz officer, and a rogue operative running a false flag, for russian intelligence,

lyle

https://pjmedia.com/homeland-security/2016/06/16/hey-new-york-times-heres-what-we-know-about-orlando-terrorist-killers-motive/2/

As the investigation into the attack continues, there needs to be a corresponding investigation by Congress as to why these failures by the FBI and the national security establishment repeatedly continue to happen.

Ahem, they "repeatedly continue to happen" because...Zippy's administration won't allow the FBI to target radical Islam!!

Gah.

Old Lurker

I am/was a fan, Narc, until I heard hiom rant about politics a week or two ago.

F'em.

squaredance

RSE: I think you are missing my spoint.

I will say that I spent 5 years of my life working at a leading academic think tank on the computational/mathematical side of neuroscience on the physical level of research, and also have worked a lot with so-called neural networks/machine learning (the later of which, of course, has nothing to do with real sciences or the physical world). I happen to know something about this field, and believe you me, calling it "aspirational" is being widely and wildy polite and forgiving.

From a physical point of view--and that means dealing with this from the rigors of physics, biology, chemistry, etc--it is pretty much pseudo science at this point (as is all the recent claims of AI running about recently).

The fact that they can use a metaphor, and that is all it is, of "rewiring" the brain underscores this. There is in fact no reason to believe that the brains is "wired" in any sense, or that there is some sort of algorithm to consciousness, being or learning.
(an no, neural networks do not "learn" is the sense that we mean it when we apply it to living creatures.) In fact, the notion of the mind residing in a brain, and that brain operating like a computer is a self defeating logical proposition. It shall surly come crashing down as a new generation looks at it rationally. Much of what is happening in the field is driven by the current fads and funny money. Some time in the future results will be require.

Again, the filed to day is full of pseudo science, wild and unsubstantiated claims and sometimes outright fraud. It is inline with the scientism of the time, but one cannot even call some of this stuff scientism. If it cannot be connected to what we know the physical world and proved empirically, it is really just so much speculation. Merely showing some sort of "activity" in a cat scan really does not tell us very much.

When I get chance, I will post some links for you to consider.

But my point still stands: you should do a little more research into the state of the field today. As I said before, they are mucking about with things of which they have but little understanding. This is the real danger.

squaredance

RSE: I think you are missing my spoint.

I will say that I spent 5 years of my life working at a leading academic think tank on the computational/mathematical side of neuroscience on the physical level of research, and also have worked a lot with so-called neural networks/machine learning (the later of which, of course, has nothing to do with real sciences or the physical world). I happen to know something about this field, and believe you me, calling it "aspirational" is being widely and wildy polite and forgiving.

From a physical point of view--and that means dealing with this from the rigors of physics, biology, chemistry, etc--it is pretty much pseudo science at this point (as is all the recent claims of AI running about recently).

The fact that they can use a metaphor, and that is all it is, of "rewiring" the brain underscores this. There is in fact no reason to believe that the brains is "wired" in any sense, or that there is some sort of algorithm to consciousness, being or learning.
(an no, neural networks do not "learn" is the sense that we mean it when we apply it to living creatures.) In fact, the notion of the mind residing in a brain, and that brain operating like a computer is a self defeating logical proposition. It shall surly come crashing down as a new generation looks at it rationally. Much of what is happening in the field is driven by the current fads and funny money. Some time in the future results will be require.

Again, the filed to day is full of pseudo science, wild and unsubstantiated claims and sometimes outright fraud. It is inline with the scientism of the time, but one cannot even call some of this stuff scientism. If it cannot be connected to what we know the physical world and proved empirically, it is really just so much speculation. Merely showing some sort of "activity" in a cat scan really does not tell us very much.

When I get chance, I will post some links for you to consider.

But my point still stands: you should do a little more research into the state of the field today. As I said before, they are mucking about with things of which they have but little understanding. This is the real danger.

lyle

All well and good, clarice, until you get to this part of the story:

La Moneda Reserva Malbec—a Chilean wine sold exclusively at the British supermarket chain Asda, a subsidiary of Walmart, no less—beat out around 16,000 other entries from around the globe in a blind taste test to take home the prestigious honor of best single-varietal red under £15, according to the Independent.

We hicks out in flyoverville can't just jet across the pond like you east coast elites. :)

squaredance

Boris: I am not saying that people cannot be manipulated. I an saying that it is not science. I am saying that those claiming that they can manipulate the mind, soul and psyche of humans through some superior understanding of "neurosciences" are lying. Granted that they may be lying to themselves as well. If this battle is to be joined and successfully won, debunking their clams will be necessary.

But Again, I am sure that they can manipulate people and cause a lot of damage. They may not, however even come close to understanding what they are doing.

To give you a metaphor: what is given what is truly a very limited understanding of our genetics, we just started fooling around with our DNA? (and yes, our understanding of genetics is still at a very, very basic level.)

Dave (in MA)

I'd run out of Thor's series of books to read before I heard his comments a few weeks back.

I started reading this guy's stuff last week: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Coes#Books

buccaneer morgan

a little more context, I think they were trying to tucson this,


http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/06/16/breaking-labour-mp-jo-cox-shot-stabbed-constituency-surgery-yorkshire/

Lurker Susie

I love the Ben Coe books.

Oh look!

Michelle Obama's star-studded and taxpayer funded final tour abroad: First Lady and daughters will be joined by Meryl Streep on Spain and Africa tour costing nearly $300,000 in flights alone


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3643489/First-lady-promote-education-Liberia-Morocco-Spain.html

Old Lurker

Dave, I like Ben Coe's books.

buccaneer morgan

yes I think I read his first couple, dewey andreas is more like horvath then mitch flynn, or court gentry.

Dave (in MA)

Dewey Andreas is a lot like Reese.

Threadkiller

Porch:

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/06/16/signs-reddit-modifies-platform-because-donald-trump-too-popular/

clarice

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/213430#.V2IM9z_2Y5s

boris

"They may not, however even come close to understanding what they are doing"

Agree on that point.

Despite it's name postmodernism isn't new. It comes from an ancient and dark place. Those who summon it to war against reason don't have to understand it.

rse

SQ-I don't think I am missing the point, but twice does help. Would love your links and the point I should have made that occurred to me as I made salsa for crab cakes for dinner is that if I am reading someone being straight forward about how the mind works and how computers made be made to work with semantic nets etc it is totally different than what a neuro grad student or an ed grad student is being told.

Damasio's books for example would never get assigned in an ed program and the teacher candidate gets his associate Immordino-Yang's hype on emotions. Her partnership in an interdisciplinary institute gets left out of her bio in Ed Week on why this is a good idea to change a practice. The fact that they are also tied to the Salk Institute and Jonas shows up advocating some fairly whacky political theories achiievable through biological change also gets left out. He however does jet off to ed conferences in nice cities in Europe to push for the changes in practices that have known, but undisclosed to teachers and parents, likely and intended neural effects.

The books of Damasio's that do get assigned to neuro or psych students are grounded in research on abnormal brains and the effect on normal brains is likely to be alteration. Moreover there is Marxian political theory embedded in the supposed neuro theory that no psych student will pick up on.

That's my point about aspiration. The whole point is to get the altered practices mandated. The head of Knewton was writing about how adaptive software could only really work once lots of students of varying personal characteristics began to be asked to do the same thing. I read that and knew where that motherlode was.

As I said all links are appreciated and I especially adore it when it is actually the straight forward science. Anything that helps me frame what people have every reason not to want to hear is a good thing.

Glad you have experience in this area. Hubby who has a computer science degree from tech practically laughed at me when I told him parallel distributed processing kept coming up until finally I went off to investigate.

I know this is pseudoscience, but the desired biological effects are very real and the rhetoric about how the rewiring will lead to "a fair and just world" is real too. It's also false in the way only those with access to the taxpayer trough regardless of consequences can ever be.

I love help. I love expertise. I wish I was wrong, but we are too far into confessions for that.

Beasts of England

According to WeatherUnderground it feels like 105° outside. Wish I had a boat!

Oh, wait!! Later gators... 😎

rse

Anyone in the dc area want to attend this june 21 program at brookings where Cass Sunstein explains what the US Govt can learn from Star Wars?

http://connect.brookings.edu/register-to-attend-world-according-to-star-wars

rse

http://democracycollaborative.org/greater-university-circle-initiative?mc_cid=a393558670&mc_eid=e86bfa566e is for ch and also explains how anchor institutions are supposed to work generally.

lyle

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2016/06/16/john-mccain-obama-is-directly-responsible-for-orlando-attack/

"My Friends" must be in electoral trouble if he's resorting to this, ya think?

lyle

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/national-politics/article84097527.html

Clinton's new ads try to reintroduce a famous figure

Clinton is one of the most famous political figures in the world, but her aides insist there's much voters don't know about her. They attribute some of her high negative ratings to misperceptions about her past.

See, people? She's just like all those other grannies who've sold influence, taken bribes, viciously attacked her hubby's paramours, raked in millions in speaking fees, callously left four Americans to die, destabilized the ME, and cozied up to America's enemies.

Lurker Susie


See something, say something

Kendall Breitman
Kendall Breitman – Verified account ‏@KendallBreitman

Gun store staff tells CNN Orlando shooter came to store 4-5 wks ago, looking 4 body armor & speaking foreign language - they called police
8:59 AM - 16 Jun 2016

Miss Marple 2

lyle,

I don't know if he's in trouble, although I did get a fundraiser e-mail from Tom Cotton today. Resorting to a junior senator, first-termer, must indicate something.

However, I am glad My Friends said this. It isn't ignored as easily as it would be if it came from a newer congressman or a radio talk show host.

lyle

I'm glad he said it as well, Marlene. I'm just a cynical [redacted].

Miss Marple 2

Ahem! I am not Marlene. LOL!

cheerleader

"In a statement released Thursday afternoon after the comments were publicized, McCain said he “misspoke.”

“I did not mean to imply that the President was personally responsible,” he said. “I was referring to President Obama’s national security decisions, not the President himself. As I have said, President Obama’s decision to completely ..."

Jack is Back!

Narc,

Explain your comment that "they are trying to Tuscon this"? Do you believe Mr. Mair is something other than a mentally ill amateur garderner living a lonely life for 40 years in a small village in West Yorkshire?

Do you any evidence he was anything other than the above?

lyle

Oops! So sorry, MM. But I plead innocent: Marlene vs Miss Marple. See? :)

Miss Marple 2

Yes, lyle. :-) I've done it myself. It's amazing it doesn't happen more since the lettering is light gray and teeny-tiny!

jimmyk on iPhone

"any evidence he was anything other than the above?"

I think that's narc's point (and mine with the Brian Ross reference). No there is none, but as with Tucson, the media and the left desperately hoped there was a political angle.

Lurker Susie


Amazing how fast they can work. Who thinks the GOP caves?

Frank
Frank – ‏@Chivas3576

A week after Orlando, Dems have a gun control bill written + submitted. A year after Kate Steinle we have nothing. @instapundit @housecracka
1:24 PM - 16 Jun 2016

Miss Marple 2

https://politicallyshort.com/2016/02/29/the-price-of-resettling-refugees-in-america/

In which we find that since 2009 Obama has admitted one million people, mostly from the Third World.

jorod

I think the Secret Service should get together with the Pentagon and throw a big party with lots of prostitutes and drugs. And maybe some guns. Pancho Villa rides again!

jimmyk on iPhone

Can anyone explain how this Democrat filibuster could induce Republicans to bring gun control up for a vote? Why couldn't the Republicans just let him continue forever? Aren't filibusters normally to prevent votes rather than force them? Or is this just the usual Party of Stupid falling for Democrat tricks again?

Lurker Susie


NRA just called to make sure I call my elected reps in congress to vote
no on gun control law. My reps are schumer and gillibrand.
You know how they will vote.

JMHanes

I'd call them anyway, Lurker Susie. Congress critters track those incoming numbers, and it could make a difference in how hard they fight for something (like a particular bill), if not their basic stance.

GUS

Porch, nothing personal, but your friend is an imbecile.

Name the last LBB attack.
Name the last ISIS attack.
Name the last Islamofascist self radicalized, American born, lone wolf, married, bi-sexual attack that blamed OBAMA'S actions for killing 49.

Obama refusing to NAME the ENEMY leads to IMBECILITIS in those imbeciles willing to believe Obama. There is a CONSEQUENCE to Obama's mental illness.

there is a prize for the 1st JOMer to correctly identify who LBB is.

lyle

Wow, JMH. I applaud your basic point but I don't even think St. Jude (patron saint of lost causes) would recommend that to LS. Ain't no way in hell those two Ds don't pass up a grandstanding issue like this.

Lurker Susie

JMHanes,

I called. They must be getting inundated with phone calls.
The people answering the phones were not happy or polite.

lyle

Good for you, LS!

JMHanes

Lurker Susie:
"The people answering the phones were not happy or polite."

I'd like to think that's because the callers are not singing their representatives' praises. :-)

I'm sure it was someone here who originally told me that it's always worth calling. You don't even have to worry too much about what to say, because they basically just keep track of pros and cons.

Captain Hate

jimmyk, I was thinking the same thing.

A lib friend of mine on Zuckerberg has shocked me by unfriending a bunch of toolboxes for reacting to the Orlando terrorism by calling for gun bans. I'm thinking of doing the same thing to my idiot daughter.

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