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[henry]

Desperate meetings to come up with new Journolist talking points to veer away from the gay muslim immigrant threat to Queen Hilligula. Apparently the squirrel supply ran out.

[James D]

Since it's a new thread, I'll share something not news-related...

Here's the cover for the new book (due out July 29th, if I can get the first draft finished by this weekend)...

And here's the very rough draft of the description. I'm not thrilled with it, but it does get the plot across...

Jane Barnaby had everything going her way. She had a prestigious internship at the Museum of Natural History. She had a fantastic sublet apartment on the Upper West Side. And she was excited to help a newly-engaged college friend plan her wedding.

She didn’t have a care in the world, until a casual lunch with her friend’s fiancé set off alarm bells. And as Jane began digging into his past, she found that the rabbit hole just kept getting deeper.

She never imagined it would lead her and her and her on-again, off-again boyfriend to the English countryside, uncovering secrets dating back to World War 2, searching for priceless art treasures looted by the Nazis, and fighting off the thieves who will kill to get those treasures for themselves.

[Porchlight]

I bought Finders Keepers, James D.! It's great so far.

For cheerleader:

Happy birthday Big Don and Happy Flag Day all!

[Captain Hate]

Sally Kohn is seriously mentally ill. Any group that allows her to be a spokesthing suffers from low self esteem.

[James D]

Thanks, Porch! Glad you're enjoying it!

[maryrose]

JamesD
Will my library have your books or can I purchase them at Barnes and Noble?

[henry]

Amazon has them.

[cheerleader]

That is a very effective teaser JamesD

Thank you Porchlight :-)

[henry]

The UW has plenty of fat in its budget if its doing this nonsense.

[Momto2]

Posted on old thread:

Amid all of the admonishments of, "if you see something, say something" - someone remembered how things went down that time when Americans (teachers and police officers) suspected Ahmed of bringing a strange device to school.

"President, media, White House mocked and smeared Americans concerned by Achmed suitcase bomb looking clock. Achmed was invited to Facebook, UN, given tens of thousands of dollar in cash and gifts.. then moved to Qatar a month later.

So yeah, for some reason "saying something" is not the average American's first instinct for some reason.

[Marlene]

Good Morning! Yesterday my news came from listening to the car radio. Listening and concentrating on the words is a good brain exercise. Mark Steyn was outstanding. One thing that was missing from Hillary's speech was the visual of Sherrod Brown sitting behind Hillary during her speech,which I saw later while watching TV news.
My impression from all the news is that the issues of terrorism,guns and gays are being conflated to the extent of total confusion. We know the motivation.

[Captain Hate]

Wasn't King Zippy's awesome wonderfulness supposed to eliminate the need for that? Shouldn't he be taken to task for that?

[buccaneer morgan]

Yes momto2, in fact clockboy had a similar profile to mateen.

The court made another sacrifice to skydragons.

[Marlene]

Momto2,yesterday I almost told a woman she was rude,because I saw her being unkind to a child. I just glared at her instead. I do think we shy away from the instinct to confront other people. My example is simple...I stopped for a milkshake before bringing the dog to the vet. The dairy bar had two windows open and as I was taking my turn being served,a school bus drove in and parked. The bus was full of excited and from my observation,special needs kids. The kids ran into the line (they had teachers with them). The woman at the window next to me snapped at one of the kids and said,get in line! His teacher gently led him into the line and glared at the woman.
I gave her a look also.

[James D]

maryrose, they are also available through Barnes & NOble.

You can buy them as eBooks for the Nook on the website, and you can order the paperbacks the same way. They aren't physically in any stores, but you can also order them at the customer service desk there. Just search for "J.J. DiBenedetto"

(and then I will see the paperback order show up in 4-6 months on my reports; or the ebook order will show up tomorrow)

[Marlene]

I guess my point is if we won't tell a person she is being rude to a special needs child, will we confront a possible terrorist next door?

[buccaneer morgan]

No probably not, did fallon's puerile effusion, what you heard of it, nag you as much as it did me. And don't even me get me started on Anderson vanderbilt.

[maryrose]

All weird behavior should be reported.
These are the times we live in.
Obama's security team is a bust.
It is every man for himself.
Over a million New Yorkers voted for Hillary.
Those values I do not share.
I prefer the voters of Montana,Nebraska North Dakota,Alaska.
Decent freedom loving folks that love America and despise tyranny that Hillary and Obama support.

[maryrose]

Marlene:
I really enjoy your posts
Hope you are having an enjoyable summer.

[Janet]

THis was on my neighborhood listserv today -

"As June 20 World Refugee Day approaches, I want to highlight an upcoming event at my church at St. George's Episcopal Church of Arlington. We are hosting a refugee forum on Thursday (6/16) 7-8:30 pm to inform the Arlington community about international and local nonprofits working on refugee issues and offer insights into the best ways you can get involved in the greater DC area.

Organizations featured included UNHCR, Upwardly Global, No One Left Behind, Church World Service, Catholic Charities of Arlington, the Episcopal Church etc."...

[sbw]

I just posted this on FB after have received a post that someone had liked another post that said “Trump is a d**che!”:

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Hey, anti-Trumpers. Consider the echo chamber where you get your news. When FB posts say, “Trump is a *#%!” you contribute to the noise. You give your news habits away. You trust big media that often is wrong. Read the transcripts and then read the “news” reports. Much journalism is broken and being used as a weapon against you.

Putting together a newspaper each day I send back wire service stories for re-write because the junior woodchucks hired to report may have a degree, but they never learned how to give readers an accurate map to use.

Real news is worthwhile information put in context so you can plan your future. Not opinion. Not rumor. Not irrelevancies. Not cherry-picked “facts” that while true may be misleading out of context.

Please read from many sources. Check and re-check. Become expert at checking expertise.

[buccaneer morgan]

Yes it is striking how uniform and facile is the take on an event on practically every story

[Frau Nie Wieder]

Andrew Klavan, The Question of Our Time

Islamism is the great evil of our age, and the great question of our age is whether this foulness is the natural child of Islam itself or a cancer on its body. This is not a question that can be decided by comparing the number of “good” Muslims to the number of “bad” ones. A religion is a form of philosophy, and a philosophy shapes not just individuals but whole cultures and nations into its own image over time. Any individual may do right or wrong in the name of any given idea. You have to see a much bigger picture before you can judge the moral quality of the idea itself.

The West, over the centuries, has become increasingly tolerant and diversified. This did not happen in spite of our dominant religion but because of it. If you look at a map of the nations that accept the concept of gay rights, for example, you will find that they are almost without exception nations formed by Christianity. Indeed, when one Westerner argues for gay rights and another argues against them, they are both arguing on Christian principles—the Judge-Not versus the Shall-Not. Though it infuriates both sides to hear it, it is nonetheless true: this is an internecine quarrel, a family feud. Our very ability to disagree on such basic issues without murdering one another is what makes all of us, believers or not, helplessly Christian in the end.

When I look at the nations of Islam, I do not see the same sort of development toward tolerance and multiplicity. Almost everywhere Islam is dominant, there is oppression, ignorance, and violence at levels the West does not experience. Almost every act of terrorism worldwide is associated with Islam—so much so that those wishing to defend the creed have to seize on the occasional outlying act of non-Islamic terrorism, or descend into childish moral equivalencies or try to spin the issue as one of “guns” or “hate” or “religion” in order to distract us from the painfully obvious.

It's worth reading the rest at City Journal LUN

[Marlene]

sbw,many,many years ago I worked at a "press clipping" company. This is how long ago,the newspapers were scanned (by people) and literally "clipped" out of the papers. We used huge notebooks full of client names,companies,products,recording artists,movies,generic issues,etc. The company was making baby steps using technology by the early 1990s.
Anyway,we were taught during classes how to "read" a newspaper,a mini journalism class. The way that straight news has morphed into news analysis and opinion over the years is something I've been aware of because of that training. I really enjoy your comments about publishing a newspaper.

[Beasts of England]

Well done, sbw!!

And amen, maryrose!!

[Buckeye]

JamesD...what I want to know is if you get to meet the hotties on the cover of your books:)

[Frau Nie Wieder]

Today is Flag Day *and* The Donald's birthday.

[Man Tran]

Yeah, the Donald gets to be my age one day a year. :)

[Frau Nie Wieder]

sbw - FB is too small a platform for your excellent professional observations.

[James D]

Sadly no, Buckeye.

It's all stock footage.

I do know some indie authors who actually hire models and have proper photo shoots for their covers, but I'm not quite there yet...

[Buckeye]

sbw,

Excellent advice and I admonish all JOMers to consider what I post as opinion or jokes and rarely news.

[Porchlight]

And the Army's birthday, Frau!

[sbw]

You mean “Individuals, Journalism, and Society” didn’t sell because I didn’t put hotties on the cover?!

[Janet]

Thank you for that link, Frau.

[Momto2]

Marlene - I agree with your point. I'll share a personal example. Years ago when my children were little, we were in a used book store. I was in the children's section and a muslim mom and son came into the store. The mom pursued other shelves at the front of the store and the little boy came into the children's room. He was maybe 4 or 5 years old. He came right up to me ( a strange adult) and stated in a very loud voice, "Allah is God - the only God" or something like that.

I was just taken aback. Why would a small child feel it was ok to approach a stranger and say that? I just smiled and said, "We're looking at books so let's be quiet - ok?"

Later, I tried to think through the whole episode. First, it showed that he had certainly been taught to do that. He was too young to do it without instruction. Secondly, the mom was in the store and had to hear it, but did not correct him. As a Christian, I felt an instinct to correct him that no - the Lord is the one true God - but of course as he was a child, I did not.

It was so jarring and strange and this was before 9/11. Today that little boy is an adult and I have to wonder what he's up to now.....

[Frau Nie Wieder]

Train up a child, Momto2.

[Momto2]

yes, Frau - that applies equally to good and bad training.

[James D]

At some point, we're going to have to either acknowledge that Islam is fundamentally incompatible with the values this country (and Western civilization generally) was built on, or we will lose those values (and the country) once and for all.

Individual Muslims can be, and are, wonderful people, good neighbors, positive and contributing members of society.

But Islam as a larger phenomenon is ultimately poisonous. As many others here have commented, it's a total social system - not just religions, but economic, political, everything. It's expansionist and aggressive. And it has no provision for grace or forgiveness.

The only way we should be bringing Muslims into this country is if we are going to aggressively assimilate them, if we are going to force them to give up their identity as Muslims and become Americans first.

That also means first defunding, and then destroying organizations like CAIR, and ISNA and all the rest of them. And slowing or preventing the building of new Mosques. And not allowing closed-off Islamic communities to form, and cracking down on radical, militant Imams.

That all sounds horrible, but the only other choice is to lose the country and get used to living under Sharia law in 20 or 30 years.

[sbw]

All clipping services are digital now, Marlene. Not sure that that is progress.

Thnx, all.

[James D]

One more thought on my post above. It applies to all immigrants, actually.

If we're not going to aggressively force them to assimilate (and fight any groups/forces that try to prevent assimilation, like La Raza, and the poisonous Ethnic Studies departments at most universities, etc)), then we should not be letting them in. Period.

[sbw]

A formal debate question like “All immigrants should assimilate” deflects attention from the difference between culture and the underlying minimum requirements for society.

All immigrants should recognize that

1) respect for others is a minimum requirement for society
2) consideration that your view might be mistaken is a minimum requirement for society.

Assimilation is not required in everything, because America is better for toleration of what others do that respects individuality.

[henry]

BREAKING NEWS: Orlando gunman's wife drove him to Pulse nightclub on prior occasions, and tried to talk him out of the attack

[henry]

I have no idea what to think of that.

[henry]

hillary must have sent an email, Russians hack DNC server.

[Theo]

JamesD @ 11:30 wrote:

"The only way we should be bringing Muslims into this country is if we are going to aggressively assimilate them, if we are going to force them to give up their identity as Muslims."

sbw @ 11:46 wrote:

"1) respect for others is a minimum requirement for society
2) consideration that your view might be mistaken is a minimum requirement for society."

I sense some tension between these two posts.

I stand with sbw.

[RattlerGator]

Until proven otherwise, the wife is a lying jihadist and trained operative.

[Threadkiller]

Theo, did you figure out who the 5 million no-show voters were?

Were they all 2008 Obama voters? That seems like a strange group for Romney to have counted on.

[henry]

Dude arrested with guns / explosives near LA Gay Pride parade is gay.

What are the odds of two gay men (this dude, and the Orlando gay Jihadi) going off on the same weekend?

[maryrose]

TK
Who do you think those stay at home voters were and do you think they will vote for Trump this time?

[Buckeye]

You mean “Individuals, Journalism, and Society” didn’t sell because I didn’t put hotties on the cover?!

Could be sbw:)

I know I didn't pick up a copy.

[Buckeye]

What are the odds of two gay men (this dude, and the Orlando gay Jihadi) going off on the same weekend?

Might want to rephrase that henry;)

[Theo]

TK --

Here are the numbers:

2008 white voters -- 97,282,710

2012 white voters -- 92,975,141

2008 Obama white votes -- 41,989,321

2008 McCain white votes -- 53,347,735

2012 Obama white votes -- 36,326,400

2012 Romney white votes -- 54,773,400

Of course, the data can be read a number of ways, but the most reasonable interpretation is this: There were 5 million fewer whites who cast votes in 2012 than in 2008. Romney in fact got MORE white votes than McCain had done in 2008. But Obama got approximately 5 million FEWER white votes in 2012 than in 2008. It appears that the 5 million whites who voted in 2008 but did not vote in 2012 were white voters who had voted for Obama in 2008.

If this is true, it suggests that the "missing" white voters were people who had voted for Obama in 2008 but were not inclined to do so again, but also did not want to cross over and vote for the Republican Romney.

Are these people likely to vote for Trump in 2016? It depends on who they are. If they were white working class people who were traditional Democrats and were willing to vote for Obama in 2008, but were disillusioned with him when he ran for re election but felt Romney was too much of a rich elitist than perhaps Trump's more populist appeal might reach them.

However, I am not sure that Trump should count on getting a lot of votes from people who favored Obama over McCain.

We shall see.

[GUSr]

Glasater reflecting back on the previous thread, and Creepy Don. In your case it may have been DON HO MO.
Not that there's anything wrong with it.
Our Murderer could be HOMOHAMMAD.

[GUSr]

Henry, the odds are slim. Only one real way to find out if it's coincidence of not.
Research on GRINDER or JACK.

I don't know why, but the concept of GRINDER and JACK and the names of the sites, cracks me up.

[henry]

Gus, some things shall remain a mystery.

[[email protected]]

the workers paradise ... return to barter

http://www.globalpost.com/article/6775953/2016/06/13/venezuelans-barter-diapers-food-smartphones

good thing we have an app for that

[cheerleader]

In the past, I could read the content published on FB by public persons like Sarah Palin, Donald Trump etc., just not comment.

But now FB's covering up all that content, making it impossible to read.

[sbw]

Theo: I sense some tension between these two posts.

Actually less tension than one might suspect. So much that is cultural need not be encouraged to change. When others try impose cultural, not societal, behavior, we have problem.

[Frau Nie Wieder]

"yes, Frau - that applies equally to good and bad training."

That was my point, Momto2. Of course, some individuals learn to sort out good from evil on their own...if the "culture" permits. That goes for totalitarian governments, gangs, etc.

[hrtshpdbox]

Please read from many sources. Check and re-check.

I do that. Trump is a d**che.

[Threadkiller]

If this is true, it suggests that the "missing" white voters were people who had voted for Obama in 2008 but were not inclined to do so again, but also did not want to cross over and vote for the Republican Romney.

So Romney didn't lose because of a #NeverRomney contingent of the Republican party?

He actually lost because he couldn't woo disgruntled Obama voters?

[daddy]

President Obama lecturing America. Sorry jerk. You've had 7 and a half years to do the right thing. Take your pathetic preaching and shove it. You have no idea what makes this country great.

[sbw]

One of our viewers asked for code for the narcisolator. I never received the email. We need to keep trying to connect.

[maryrose]

Wow
Obama must have gotten the message from Hillary's campaign to stop the bleeding over Orlando.
Obama saying not fighting individual terrorists just ISIS
All about shared values new campaign buzzword.
Talking today and going there Thursday
Look s like a full court defensive move to me.
Congrats to Cavs!

[Momto2]

RG - Until proven otherwise, the wife is a lying jihadist and trained operative.

EXACTLY! Didn't Trump say something about the families being complicit in these attacks? I refuse to believe that wives, parents, etc. do not know that someone is radical, dangerous, and plotting attacks.

If they are never arrested or held accountable, why should they risk turning their family members in? They have nothing to lose by keeping quiet. I hope a Trump presidency will change that.

[buccaneer morgan]

what a maroon, zaphod is, if the french, albeit non enarques like valls and cazeneuve, understand the nature of the enemy, why can't he,

[Michael (fpa Patriot4Freedom)]

Just finished listening to oBOzo's rant from the White House . . .

oBOzo has *NEVER* been as animated - and angry - about the deaths of Americans as he is about the possibility of offending Muslims or making them uncomfortable.

He is visibly emotional about being criticized for not using the words "Islamic terrorism", as he makes excuses for his inaction against ISIS.

Years from now, IMO, we will look back upon this speech as proof that oBOzo has a pathological, almost reflexive need to defend Islam from criticism, real or imagined.

What a despicable excuse for a president.

[Theo]

TK --

In the immortal words of the first Chicago Mayor Richard Daley, he lost because he did not get enough votes. It is on some level impossible to identify which votes he did not get -- all we can say for certain is that he did not get enough of them.

There was an argument made at the time of the election that he lost because a whole lot of whites who had voted in 2008 stayed home in 2012. This much is true. But there was speculation was that they stayed home because Romney was not a true blue (or maybe true red) enough of a conservative but too much of a RINO squish. I guess you could call that a #neverRomney faction.

The data appears to refute that contention. Romney appears to have gotten all of the McCain voters and more. (And McCain was hardly a hard core conservative wet dream.) The white voters who stayed home in 2012 after voting in 2008 were apparently Obama 2008 voters.

The real question is what this data tells us about Trump's chances here. There are three possible sources of votes for Trump -- people who voted for Romney in 2012, people who voted for Obama in 2012 and people who did not vote in 2012.

I would expect that Trump would do well among the 2012 Romney voters. They are after all Republican voters. But given how Willard himself and many of his supporters feel about Trump, I don't see Trump getting all of those votes.

I frankly do not think that Trump will get many votes from Obama 2012 voters. I do not see any overlap in the appeal.

So if Trump is going to win, he needs to do well among those who did not vote in 2012 and/or have a lot of Obama 2012 voters stay home.

How do you assess Trump's appeal among (a) first time voters and (b) people who sat out 2012? One significant portion of the latter group is made up of people who voted Obama in 2008. Are these likely to be Trump voters in significant numbers?

[Jack is Back!]

Is your dog a Democrat?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3VLqLLWxbQ

Love the doghouse at the end.

[Threadkiller]

Tought to answer, Theo. I have no idea where you get your numbers.

[buccaneer morgan]

there was a smaller electoral pool, despite considerable increase in the overall voter cohort,

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jun/14/appeals-court-upholds-obama-backed-net-neutrality/

[henry]

The fun never stops:

ACTIVE SHOOTER: - Amarillo, Texas Walmart - Confirmed hostage situation - SWAT, FBI en route

[Beasts of England]

Still waiting on that apology, hrtshpdbox...

[maryrose]

Michael
He defends Muslims because he is one.
He was raised in Indonesia and doesn't understand Catholicism Judaism or Protestant Christianity.
He is soft on terrorism and really hates Republicans with a passion only exceeded by that of Hillary.
They are two peas in a pod and are very dangerous because you cannot reason with them
I am sure at the time of the government shutdown where he told Cantor not to test him he simply said to Boehner
" Shut it down, I dare you!"

[GUSr]

Hey Theo is here. He's a nice little fella.

[buccaneer morgan]

of course, one must follow up, why was the fbi training manuals purged of materials about islamist
militants, this is the nature of the whole cve rigamarole?

[Beasts of England]

Theo: there won't be as many Obama voters (D) this time due to their current candidate and Trump will attract a significant number of new voters and the ones who stayed home for Mitt.

[Threadkiller]

BOE, Theo believes the voters that stayed at home for Mitt were Obama voters in 2008.

I am struggling with the concept.

[maryrose]

Anyone needing to apologize should do so forthwith.
You don't want to burn bridges.
I am still waiting for mine as I am sure Jane is also.

[Threadkiller]

I gave up on waiting for my apologies.

#ThanksTrump

[Jack is Back!]

Is there any doubt why Trump questioned Obama's Islamic symathies and malfeasence toward Radical Islam?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsUJ2wu0iX4

Sure its a compliation but he seems to do a lot of blathering defending and even promoting Islam.

I believe, like Brennan, he is a closet or even openly-in-plain-site a praticiing Muslim.

[Frau Nie Wieder]

Charles Hurt at the Washington Times:

Well, thank goodness we have President Obama on the case. He will get to the bottom of it and finally put a stop to all this murder, madness and mayhem.

“And there also at this stage is no direct evidence that he was part of a larger plot,” a dazed Mr. Obama said haltingly as he — once again — downplayed this crazy notion that America and Western Civilization is under relentless attack from barbaric animals slaughtering humans in the name of Islam.

[Theo]

TK --

The source of my data is (a) the election returns and (b) your favorite source, exit polls.

I was surprised by the data myself. But the numbers are very clear that Obama got 5 million fewer white votes in 2012 than in 2008. It does not appear that these votes went to Romney. It appears that instead these people stayed home.

I am not sure why that concept is such a struggle for you. I can easily imagine voters getting all caught up in "hope and change" in 2008 but being disillusioned by his actual performance in office.

BOE is of course on to something. Rodham will (one assumes) get very few Romney 2012 voters to vote for her. She will do very well among Obama 2012 voters, but a significant number of them (particularly blacks) may not bother to vote for her. How will she do among (a) first time voters and (b) those who sat out 2012? That could make or break this election.

[cheerleader]

Jack I love that video.

[GUSr]

Who needs to apologize to whom maryrose?
Do we know?

[cheerleader]

I meant the video about the dog.

[buccaneer morgan]

of course almost no one is talking about this,

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/06/14/was-orlando-shooter-omar-mateen-inspired-by-this-bank-robbing-ex-marine.html

of the ICFP being tied to the sharia board of america, and the orlando one, being affiliated with the ISNA, wonder why,

[clarice]

For polling watchershttp://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/political_commentary/commentary_by_michael_barone/possible_errors_in_exit_polls_suggest_more_election_surprises_ahead?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=DailyNewsletter

[Beasts of England]

That's a charitable assessment, TK, but I haven't seen the exit polls. ;)

[Threadkiller]

How many people participated in the exit polls and how many locations were they polled at?

[Theo]

BOE --

I question whether Trump will get a lot of voters who "stayed home for Mitt." As I show, the numbers indicate that these were Obama 2008 voters. I am dubious about how many people who voted for Obama in 2008 would vote Trump in 2016. The appeals seem very different to me.

But it is certainly possible.

I think that the key to the election may well be the extent to which Obama 2012 voters stay home. Trump is not going to get any significant number of those votes; can he suppress their turnout for Rodham?

[Threadkiller]

Thanks for that link, clarice.

[Buckeye]

Reasonable that a sizeable number of African-Americans that voted for Obama will puke on their shoes thinking about voting for Hillary.

Also reasonable that some African-Americans, for example middle class blue collar working class people, will see it in their best interest to vote for Trump.

[Dave (in MA)]

http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Gunfire-Hostages-Reportedly-Taken-at-Amarillo-Walmart-382978191.html

Somali hostage-taker, I heard "workplace violence" just as the video started playing.

[Theo]

Buckeye --

I think that there is no doubt that black turnout for Rodham will not match black turnout for Obama. The drop off could potentially be significant. However, other than wishcasting, I do not see any basis to believe that Trump will get a significant share of the black vote. Blacks tend to vote in a bloc regardless of their income.

One might suspect that Trump will do poorly among Hispanic voters, who may in fact turn out in greater numbers in 2016 than in 2012.

All sorts of moving pieces here and a long way to go.

[Robin Surrounded by the 10 Sq. Miles of Crazy]

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/14/politics/obama-pushes-back-against-criticism-over-terrorism-rhetoric/

Just in case you want to know exactly what Obama said. I couldn't watch the video because, well....Obama.

Those numbers are interesting, Theo. I suspect that exit polling will not be very enlightening this election as plenty of people of all races and backgrounds will choose not to share that they vote for Trump.

[JeanD]

I question whether Trump will get a lot of voters who "stayed home for Mitt." As I show, the numbers indicate that these were Obama 2008 voters.

Theo, what if "hope and change" voters have decided to "act and survive" given the ever escalating evidence? Maybe those 2008/2012 voters are rethinking the problem? And looking for a solution?

[lyle]

I believe, like Brennan, he is a closet or even openly-in-plain-site a praticiing Muslim.

I don't know how anyone could possibly think otherwise by now. And I think his admin is full of muzzie symps as well.

[Robin Surrounded by the 10 Sq. Miles of Crazy]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/06/14/admit-it-these-terrorists-are-muslims.html

Sanity among the leftists.

[Beasts of England]

Jane's waiting to apologize for telling me to fuck off?