This Week Will End

Why not enjoy a beautiful Saturday afternoon with a gunfight?

First, unexpected common sense (no, real common sense) from Michael Rosenwald of the Washington Post:

Why banning AR-15s and other assault weapons won’t stop mass shootings

Nothing he says will surprise anyone knowledgeable about the topic, which means that plenty of Beltway progressives will find this to be Book of Revelation material:

In the days after Omar Mateen used a Sig Sauer rifle to kill 49 people in Orlando and wound 53 others — the worst mass shooting in American history — the push to ban assault weapons as a way to stop rampages has gained new momentum across the country, from cable news networks to social media to petition-signing sites.

Even horror author Anne Rice weighed in on Facebook, writing: “The one thing we do know for certain about these weapons is that they have figured in one horrific criminal massacre of innocent civilians after another.”

Well, not exactly. Lost in the diatribes about banning assault weapons is this inconvenient fact: the vast majority of mass shooters use handguns, not assault rifles, in their attacks. That includes Seung-Hui Cho, who used two handguns, including a Glock 19, in 2007 to kill 32 people at Virginia Tech University, the previous worst mass shooting in American history.

A study last year by the Congressional Research Service found that from 1999 to 2013 assault rifles were used in 27 percent public mass shootings, which it defines as the killing of four or more people in a relatively public place. Dating back to 1982, the rate is 24 percent, according to research by James Alan Fox, a Northeastern University professor who studies mass murder.

In addition to the public mass shooting database the FBI has compiled an "Active Shooter" database of incidents from 2000 to 2015. On a rainy day I hope to chart the various weapons used, but a quick glance shows lots of handguns and maybe not so many rifles.

And do remember - the problem is generaly the person, not the tool:

[James Alan Fox, a Northeastern University professor who studies mass murder] makes an important point about what probably happened during the ban: Mass shooters can rather “easily” come up with “alternate means of mass casualty if that were necessary.”

In other words, if they can’t get an AR-15, they get a Glock. And that’s the problem, experts say, of hoping that a ban on assault weapons will stop mass shootings. It’s not really about the gun.

Sure, some stats show higher kill counts with assault weapons than with handguns, but as Cho proved, that’s not always the case. (As my Wonkblog colleague Christopher Ingraham points out, high-capacity magazines — for rifles or handguns — might make a better focus for gun control advocates, but the symbolic images of clips aren’t as striking as an AR-15.)

Oh dear - "clips" is not synonymous with "magazines", as I have learned myself. But let's not DQ the author for that.

Left unmentioned - rather than substituting a Glock handgun for a scary looking black rifle, a determined killer could simply buy a semiautomatic rifle that does not terrify Dianne Feinstein. From an old post, I have "scary" and "not scary" rifles below; personally I would not want to be shot by either one but progressives aren't afraid of the latter, which makes them braver than me so go figure.

For ruthless, relentless killing we have this scary Weapon of War (not an AR-15, BTW):

And for running off varmints around the ranch or plinking with the family on a Sunday afternoon we have this utility rifle:

So much better.

Well. The NY Times provides cryptic reporting on a due process compromise wafting about the Senate with respect to banning gun purchases by those on the no-fly list:

Spurred by Orlando Shooting, G.O.P. Senator Offers a Gun Control Compromise

By DAVID M. HERSZENHORN   JUNE 17, 2016

The legislation being drafted by Ms. Collins would bar the sale of guns to terrorism suspects who appear on either the government’s no-fly list or the so-called “selectee” list, in which individuals are subjected to additional security screening before being allowed to board an airplane. Those lists are far more narrow than the federal terrorist screening database, which is the focus of a proposal sponsored by Senator Dianne Feinstein, Democrat of California, one of the four measures to be voted on Monday.

So when they say "no fly list" it is actually what they mean, unlike the slippery rhetoric we saw last time around this track. As to the due process bit:

But while the gun restrictions proposed by Ms. Collins would target a narrower group of individuals, her measure does not require federal prosecutors to demonstrate “probable cause” of criminal terrorist activity, which is required in an alternative to the Feinstein measure sponsored by Senator John Cornyn of Texas, the No. 2 Republican.

Democrats say Mr. Cornyn’s measure, which will also be voted on Monday, sets such a high burden of proof that it renders useless the underlying gun restrictions.

Instead, Ms. Collins has proposed an appeals process that would award attorney’s fees to anyone who successfully challenged the government’s effort to prevent the sale of a firearm.

“If you are either on the no-fly list or the selectee list, which is the list where you are subjected to additional screening before you are allowed to board a plane, then you would be prohibited from purchasing a gun,” Ms. Collins said.

She said she agreed that Mr. Cornyn’s measure set a standard too difficult to meet.

“If probable cause is found, then probably law enforcement could arrest you,” she said. “If you have got that, you are going to be arrested, unless they are leaving you out there in order to catch others.”

I have not dug around for a copy of the proposed bill, is I am not sure what the basis for an appeal would be. Something lower than "probable cause", apparently, but what? Or, lacking some standard, how could someone ever win a reversal and attorney's fees, other than in a case of outright error (a mispelled name, for example)?

Puzzling.

 

Comments

[Stephanie]

Boo! and foist...

[henry]

I thought TM was talking about the TV show "This Week" which should end in a giant fire. But no...

Accidental gun sense from the Bezos Daily Worker.

[Frau Schiessgewehr]

You earned it, Stephanie.

...and there ain't no flies on me.

[Threadkiller]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WzHG-ibZaKM

[buccaneer morgan]

So the shooter was muscle, a mere trigger, who was his handler.

[Miss Marple 2]

Buccaneeer, I figure the wife, who has conveniently disappeared, after telling everyone he was gay.

Question: could one get a husband's phone, text to a gay web site, then delete it so husband doesn't know? Very disturbing that he was posting while shooting, but then the French perrp was posting his crime on Facebook while in progress.

[Captain Hate]

Have they found Omar's whore wife yet? Until she and his father are under arrest all talk of gun control should stop.

[Momto2]

From previous thread on dog rolling behavior:

I've been told that rolling in a scent or rubbing it on them was an instinctual behavior they got from wolves. Apparently the reason is to take the scent back to the den to the others and relay information about what they've found.

If true, it's interesting that after all of the years of domestication, they still have that impulse. If only they knew it would lead to more and more baths they might give it up!

[Captain Hate]

Today must be dog bath day because Teddy got one today.

We really really need rain in NE Ahia, all the promised storms have disappeared, which hasn't stopped the dimwits who run the local parks from cutting the grass so short it looks as parched as mid August.

[Lurker Susie]

Look, they put wife on no fly list after she disappeared

The Independent
The Independent – Verified account ‏@Independent

Orlando nightclub shooter Omar Mateen’s wife and father put on FBI no-fly list http://ind.pn/1SaYeUa
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[Miss Marple 2]

Captain Hate,

What if she has been disappeared.

Tell her the private escape plane is waiting, take her up and then shove her out the door. Sharks do the rest.

No tracking, no tracing, no arrest, no one to connect her to ISIS or whoever was behind it.

In case this was some other crime disguised as terrorism, I would look to see who benefits from the death of each person in that nightclub.

For example, what if one guy in there was the heir to a fortune, but in case of his demise it goes to someone else? If he were shot by himself, suspicion would fall on the heir.

If the guy is one of 49, who is going to check on that? What if the wife was in on it?

I would be checking every single victim and survivor for things like that.

[cheerleader]

A long time ago when Michelle Bachman was whistle-blowing about who was in control of the WH, John Boehner removed her from all her committees and virtually forced her retirement.

[lyle]

What CH said. End of story.

[Lurker Susie]

Fox Nation
Fox Nation – Verified account ‏@foxnation

Senate Mulls Narrow Gun Ban Based On 'Smaller' Security Lists http://bit.ly/1UCx3aG
Fox News
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Senate Mulls Narrow Gun Ban Based On 'Smaller' Security Lists

By Joel Gehrke, Washington ExaminerSenate lawmakers are exploring whether a gun control compromise might be reached that bans weapons sales to "smaller lists" of people who national security and law
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[Captain Hate]

That makes intuitive sense, Momto2; rubbing in a dead fish is particularly pungent.

[Captain Hate]

Notice how many commiecrats came down hard on that gaggle of dullards who couldn't even do a "filibuster" correctly, but it still got the party of stoopid to do what they do best, like Ted Cruz was excoriated for doing? And you wonder why we keep losing?

[Lurker Susie]

Interesting if true. Russia working with Isis

John Schindler
2h2 hours ago
John Schindler ‏@20committee
"US secret agencies came similar conclusions. 'APT 28 is Russian intel, it’s that simple,' explained an NSA expert." http://observer.com/2016/06/false-flags-the-kremlins-hidden-cyber-hand/ …

[rich]

"What if she has been disappeared."

or she was a CI for the fbi or atf and burned them ...

[Momto2]

As I have hounds and foster hounds, I'm always interesting in their noses and attraction to scents. Dogs are individuals, even within the same litter. I've had some that were so scent driven, they could not be trained to ignore it once they were "on it." I've had others that just enjoy walking and looking around and only occasionally put their noses down.

My current foster (a black and tan coonhound) never looks up during a walk. He put his nose down and smells every inch of the trail. (he may have some bloodhound in his DNA.)

I'm in awe of the cold noses that some SAR dogs have - can track an old scent even after rain and much time has passed. They say Bloodhounds have 300 million scent receptors - the most of any breed.

[buccaneer morgan]

Brad thor's latest toys with this notion, an svr asset that forms his own Islamic state cell.

[Beasts of England]

I'd appreciate a trigger warning if posts are going to contain photos of very scary weapons of war, please. Is that asking too much?

[Beasts of England]

Nice to see the whore wife and gay-bashing father on the no-fly list. Faster than a speeding bureaucracy, eh?

[Beasts of England]

Steph!!

[BeenThereDoneThat]

Will it ever be possible turn around the view of those who insist on calling Islam a 'religion of peace'? It's anything but peaceful and merely latent in its brutality, until an Imam instructs its followers to commit jihad! If Americans hadn't cooled culturally to their Judaeo-Christian roots, practicing Islamist's would never have been allowed to enter the country. Islam is totally incompatible with our principles of individual liberty and freedom.

Our founders knew of Muhammad's Quran and the sinister verses therein. They were historically familiar with Islam's cruel and bloodthirsty acts of conquest down through the centuries. They would be aghast at our utter stupidity.

[Captain Hate]

Was anybody's gaydar not pegged by Omar's selfies?

[Captain Hate]

GWB was a charter member of the ROPer descriptors.

[Miss Marple 2]

Captain Hate,

Yep. He spent too much time listening to Prince Bandar, who did a credible impersonation of a charming, secular Muslim.

Pffft.

[Rocco]

Don't let them change the narrative. Did Kennedy's car kill Mary Jo? Keep the focus on the terrorist.

[cheerleader]

I've read that the Arabic word that is translated to "peace" more accurately means "submission".

BTDT, the problem is which Christian roots? What one group of Christians thinks is evil, for example, enabling people to break laws, another group of Christians thinks is holy compassion.

[Jack is Back!]

How about they let her go to follow her and see who "her" handler is and whether there are bigger fish than her and the goofy old man?

I know that's how it works in Hollywood but not in Comey's FBI. Remember he is short handed.

BTW, over at that SPLC link a few threads back, I decided to research all the hate groups they had by state. Found lots of Nazi, white supremacy, Black Panthers, et.al. but no Muslim/Islam hate groups. Now why would that be?

Another prog group to get locked into JamesD's proverbial "burning house".

[Frau Schiessgewehr]

This is not Mother Machree

[Beasts of England]

High capacity assault Oldsmobile.

[Frau Schiessgewehr]

"I know that's how it works in Hollywood but not in Comey's FBI. Remember he is short handed."

Thank goodness he is *not* short fingered, JiB.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

cheerleader,
The word islam itself means "submission".

[Rocco]

Oh...and boycott O'Reilly's new book, Killing The 2nd Amendment.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Just as an utterly pedantic tidbit, Eugene Stoner the brilliant inventor for Armalite [division of Fairchild] developed first the AR-10 in 7.62 NATO as an alternative to the heavy and bulky M-14.
His associate then scaled the AR-10 down to the AR-15 in 5.56 NATO.

As it happens the Ruger Mini-14 is just a scaled down version of the original M-14, scaled down by the very same dude who was responsible for the AR-15.
His name escapes me at the moment.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

I would buy Killing Bill O'Reilly.

[Miss Marple 2]

I am listening to a replay of Trump in Vegas, and he's currently pledging to never get in a bicycle race when in the middle of negotiations, like Kerry did. Mocks his outfit and said he looked like he thought he was in the Tour de France. HA!

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Let me rephrase that;
I would pay someone for Killing Bill O'Reilly.

[Beasts of England]

Quick question, re: projectiles: I was trying to compare the muzzle energy of a .223 versus a revolutionary war musket, and I'm seeing ~1,500 foot pounds versus ~60. That doesn't seem right at first glance. Any other gun dudes (or dudettes) have an opinion?

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

TM;
-Left unmentioned - rather than substituting a Glock handgun for a scary looking black rifle, a determined killer could simply buy a semiautomatic rifle that does not terrify Dianne Feinstein.--

Yeah, like the one below that shoots calibers from .243 Winchester [somewhat more powerful than a 5.56] to .338 Winchester Magnum [vastly more powerful].

[Manuel Transmission]

Iggy,

From the dead thread. I have no prior knowledge of that site on the GPS blocking/diverting, but I think there is a lot of truthiness lurking in the context. And it certainly wouldn't surprise me if the gigabuck defense guys left some holes in their designs the same way that the Secure InnerTubes have gaping holes.

[buccaneer morgan]

Is it Earle Harvey?

[Threadkiller]

Which is more scary? A Tommy Gun or a 1911?

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

--Any other gun dudes (or dudettes) have an opinion?--

Beasts,
Figures I see for a 5.56 NATO are ~1,300 f/p muzzle energy.
My calcs on a Brown Bess musket ball of 545 grains at 1,000 fps comes out around ~1,500 f/p of me.
Musket ball is 1/3 as fast but 9 times as heavy.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Agreed M/T. Like I said I have no illusions about the vast technical strides the Chinese, Russians and others have been making while we shoot Hellfires at sand fleas and worry about making sure our APCs have biofuels and our transgendered infantry get to squat over the girls latrine trench.
The sidebar of that site was all far left whack job stories so who knows how much was truth and how much outright Iranian propaganda.

[BeenThereDoneThat]

cheerleader @ 3:09 -Christianity doesn't force anyone to believe or to submit under the threat of the sword, as does fundamental Islam. It's all voluntary. Believer's instructions, support and advice are included in the Holy Bible, Yes, there are groups of modern day 'Christians' who misinterpret, or mostly ignore the Bible. The left has infiltrated many denominations and watered down the gospel to the point of their not being Christian any longer. These churches are simply 'of the world' - they cater to the present culture, without enlightening, correcting, or teaching biblical truths. They are no longer true to their ministry or calling. The Bible teaches: Know thy enemy - leftist churches are EMBRACING the enemy!

That's why as many denomination memberships are declining, Bible study groups and non-denominational Bible churches are growing. People long for the real stuff...

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

--Spurred by Orlando Shooting, G.O.P. Senator Offers a Gun Control Compromise--

Can someone identify a single mass or serial shooter who was on such a list?
Orlando? Nope.
San Bernardino? Nope.
West Virginia? Nope.
Fort Hood? Nope.
Sandy Hook, Santa Barbara, Colorado Springs, Charelston, etc? Nope.

If by some freak chance a mass shooter wannabe is denied a gun through a NICS check is there any person who believes they would not find or steal one?

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

I think it was Sun Tzu who said 'know thy enemy'.

Jesus said 'love thy enemy'.

[buccaneer morgan]

For example today's Carlos slim has a piece about thumairy the Saudi diplomat who pulled a pantageli when asked about the two San Diego highjackers.

[sbw]

Googling, found at thefiringline.com:

A Brown Bess loaded with 80 grains of Fg powder and a .69 caliber ball (494 grain) has a MV of 809 fps & ME of 718 (fpe). At 100 yards it's 680 fps and ME 507.

From the Lyman Blackpowder Handbook a Brown Bess with using FFg powder and shooting a 545 grain .715" ball produces the following:

W/20 grs of powder, MV 341 with ME of 141 fps.
W/30 grs, MV 455 w/ME 250 fps.
W/40 grs, MV 569 w/ME 391 fps.
W/50 grs, MV 662 w/ME 530 fps. Energy @ 100 is 410 fps.
W/60 grs, MV 754 w/ME 687 fps. Energy @ 100 is 531 fps.
W/70 grs, MV 817 w/ME 807 fps. Energy @ 100 is 616 fps.
W/80 grs, MV 879 w/ME 934 fps. Energy @ 100 is 700 fps.
W/90 grs, MV 943 w/ME 1075 fps. Energy @ 100 is 782 fps.
W/100 grs, MV 1006 w/ME 1223 fps. Ener. @ 100 is 859 fps.
W/110 grs, MV 1047 w/ME 1325 fps. Ener. @ 100 is 913 fps.
W/120 grs, MV 1088 w/ME 1430 fps. Ener. @ 100 is 966 fps.
w/130 grs, MV 1136 w/ME 1559 fps.
w/140 grs, MV 1184 w/ME 1703 fps.
w/150 grs, MV 1213 w/ME 1778 fps.

[sbw]

TK: Which is more scary? A Tommy Gun or a 1911?

Depends whose finger is on the trigger.

[sbw]

For Father’s Day, my wife is getting me a Mec 600 Jr. 12ga press so I can reload shells for skeet shooting.

Love that woman!

[BeenThereDoneThat]

Of course, you're right, Iggy. I was thinking in terms of Ephesians 6:11-12

11 Put on the full armor of God, so that you will be able to stand firm against the schemes of the devil. 12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.

*And it's important to pray for all Muslims as well. They have been greatly deceived.

[henry]

SBW, nice tool! I use one of these. Note: you shoot faster than you can reload. If you fill a bunch of cases over the winter, you can almost keep up with shooting in nice weather.

[Comanche Voter]

When I was a kid--way back in the way back--I would plink at cans with an old octagonal barrel lever action Marlin Model 39. Dad had it for 20 years before I was born, so the rifle was on the order of 30 plus years old when my brother and I used it.

If I recall correctly the tube magazine held something like 20 LR .22 caliber bullets. Of course you had to work the lever action and pull the trigger for each shot. And it dodtake a while to load the magazine. But if our Gay ISIS Caballero down there in Orlando had a Marlin .39 and a Glock, he could have done just as much damage. And that dear old Marlin Model 39 wouldn't scare Di Fi. OTOH my Dad did kill an elk with it. So there's that.

[buccaneer morgan]

this is the piece I referred to, earlier,

http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2016/06/17/nyu-paid-orlando-jihadis-trip-saudi-arabia/

[Threadkiller]

Right on, sbw!

[buccaneer morgan]

wonderful, sbw,

[sbw]

I use one of these.

Sweet, but saving my pennies for an o/u or an AR. Too bad it would have to be NY-compliant.

[lyle]

What's the u/o on how long before Dustin Johnson chokes? I say...now.

[henry]

Magazines of various sizes are spilled by those nefariously tippy canoes all the time sbw. Funny thing, it is difficult to find a low capacity magazine (say 5 round) for hunting around here. When I bought my AR-10, the manufacturer substituted 20 rd mags for the 5 rd mags they ship standard (and at no extra charge -- may all canoes be damned).

[Another Bob]

lyle | June 18, 2016 at 05:35 PM

So you saw his fancy "off the spectator's head to behind the concession stand" shot?

[clarice]

http://carolineglick.com/obama-and-the-moderate-muslims/

[lyle]

Okay maybe not. 😬

[lyle]

Yep, AB. Thanks again for that link yesterday to Zman. Great stuff.

[pagar a bacon, country ham and sausage supporter]

If you want to feel safe you might want to avoid
Oakland.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-18/shockingly-corrupt-oakland-police-department-destroyed-16-tweets

http://sfist.com/2016/06/18/oakland_loses_third_police_chief_in.php

[clarice]

Mateen's employer probably just faked the psych evaluation he needed to be hired:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3647779/Doctor-listed-psych-evaluation-carried-Omar-Mateen-says-did-not-him.html#ixzz4BwslqaT7

[buccaneer morgan]

this fellow may be like nicholas the 2nd, even before he is installed,

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/u-s-officials-fear-saudi-collapse-if-new-prince-fails-n593996

[James D.]

From clarice's link @ 5:40

I know this was commented on the other day, but it's simply monstrous and deserves to be emphasized again:

On Wednesday Goldberg wrote that in Obama’s view, discussing radical Islam is counterproductive because it harms the moderates who need to stand up to the radicals.

“Obama,” he wrote, “believes that [a] clash is taking place [not between Western and Muslim civilization but] within a single civilization, and that Americans are sometimes collateral damage in this fight between Muslim modernizers and Muslim fundamentalists.”

Why is EVERY SINGLE GOP POLITICIAN AND PUNDIT not shouting about this at the top of their lungs? You have the President of the United States talking to a friendly, compliant journalist and saying that the deaths of American citizens - the people he has sworn an oath to protect and defend - are merely "collateral damage" in a war being waged between factions of a foreign entity. And he is OK with this. He does not see it as a problem, or a crisis.

The 49 people died in Orlando are just "collateral damage" in a fight that is not ours, but which is being conducted in part on our soil nonetheless. And the President of the United States is just fine with that.

And yet, all the GOP seems to be able to do is criticize Trump for speaking a truth about Obama that Obama himself has BRAGGED ABOUT in interviews.

That single quote, just in itself, is grounds for impeachment, and frankly a prosecution for high treason. But we have not heard ONE FREAKING WORD about it from anyone in the supposed opposition party.

to say I am disgusted, and enraged, would be a massive understatement.

[Jack is Back!]

In AFROTC we trained on AR-10 and the AF version of a 911 .45 sidearm which later after tech school all crew members wore and trained with as if you get hit over the artic circle running the race track you will ejejct and end up on Baffin Island with the ability to kill a polar bear for dinner.

Even in the military arms and the training are fickled.

[Jack is Back!]

Welcome to Planet Earth, Mr. Johnston.

Where the hell is Greg Norman? First year Fox gets the US Open they had Norman as their expert color commentor. How can you get over the embarrassment of being replaced by Joe Buck who probably can't even play putt-putt.

[Jack is Back!]

...Johnson...

[lyle]

I stand with James D. Again. I was pissed off when I linked that comment from Zippy on Thursday and I'm STILL pissed off about it. As much as I despise Zippy, I can believe he believes that. What enrages me is the [redacted] spineless GOPe not pouncing on it.

[henry]

Interesting quick phone survey... at the end wanted to know if Ron Johnson was helped by endorsing Trump. I suspect this is one of those campaign internal polls.

[lyle]

That first hole looked good for him, Jack. That save on 2 was impressive but sheesh, he's got a knack for choking.

As I critique the young man from the comfort of my recliner several hundred miles away...😎

[Threadkiller]

to say I am disgusted, and enraged, would be a massive understatement.

I'll put you down as "likely to support Trump assuming he makes no more gaffes that represent something that isn't who we are."

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

This was my source for Brown Bess ballistics.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

--Where the hell is Greg Norman? First year Fox gets the US Open they had Norman as their expert color commentor. How can you get over the embarrassment of being replaced by Joe Buck who probably can't even play putt-putt.--

Joe Buck was there last year as the play by play guy. Think they got Paul Azinger to do the color stuff. I thought Norman did a good job last year but they let him ago several months ago for some reason.
Can't watch it anyway so I'll watch the 24 hours instead. More fun at night anyway.

[buccaneer morgan]

because they are professional idiots,

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/18/how-did-the-remain-campaign-get-the-british-character-so-wrong/

now mr, mair doesn't help things with his tourette's

[buccaneer morgan]

if you dial down the ambient noise,

https://pibillwarner.wordpress.com/2016/06/18/new-york-times-fbi-report-indicates-radical-imams-fahad-al-thumairy-anwar-al-awlaki-muneer-arafat-and-lower-ranking-saudi-officials-assisted-911-hijackers-in-usa/

[Beasts of England]

Much thanks!! 60 sounded way low. Although I wouldn't wanna be hit with either one.

[buccaneer morgan]

exhibit y, on why smod, glozelle's scribblings surfaced at walmart, complete with attention to pronoun use, on the cover,

[BeenThereDoneThat]

Ah, Trumpster's - you've been seduced. Apparently, you're not in control of your own reasoning or actions:

http://www.weeklystandard.com/donald-trump-and-the-art-of-seduction-part-ii/article/2002903#.V2VZaS5b9mk.twitter

[buccaneer morgan]

and exhibit r

http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2016/06/17/netflix-childrens-show-builds-trump-wall-dont-touch-stuff/

[buccaneer morgan]

remember this heartwarming story, sarc,

http://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/blog/techflash/2016/06/gravity-payments-trial-ends-decision-still-weeks.html

[henry]

LOL BTDT! A short fat bald Guy's publication is upset that a man with "short fingers" is more seductive. Kristol, get a mirror and look at that scarlet L on your expanding forehead!!!

One nice thing about my AR 10-- about an hour ago I viewed a six pointer at 400 yards, just now 4 turkey in the same spot. Makes me hungry.

[buccaneer morgan]

oh I was worried for a bit there,

http://www.weaselzippers.us/278168-former-gitmo-prisoner-disappears-i-south-america-prompting-search/

I think he's the explosives expert, what could go wrong,

[pagar a bacon, country ham and sausage supporter]

"I think he's the explosives expert,

And is there anything going on in Brazil in the immediate future that might make a big target?

[Ahmed the Friendly Terrorist]

Nope. Can't think of anything.

Now where did I put that truck full of ANFO. I'm always losing things.

[glasater]

A bit off topic and the sound isn't terrific in this video but Allen West takes on a CAIR guy..and is wonderful..

Don't try and blow sunshine up my butt

[buccaneer morgan]

I had forgotten about this, the beginning of the coup against nixon,

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2016/06/1972_we_remember_the_watergate_breakin_.html

[glasater]

This one is better of Allen West..

it has subtitles..

[Gentlejim]

I do like Allen West. Thnx glasater

[pagar a bacon, country ham and sausage supporter]

Before any GOP member votes to allow the govt to put people's names on lists without any type of restrain; they ought to take a look at this govt action.

http://overlawyered.com/2016/06/justice-dept-case-fedex-collapses/

"A criminal trial nearly two years in the making alleging FedEx knowingly delivered illegal prescription drugs to dealers and addicts ended suddenly Friday when prosecutors moved to dismiss all charges against the shipping giant."

[pagar a bacon, country ham and sausage supporter]

glasater @07:49 Great Link. Every American should listen to Allen West doing this great response.

[buccaneer morgan]

since, there isn't anything new, in the fiction trade, at least till ben coes latest I picked up some of the herbie kruger series by john gardner,
notably a lesser known one, the garden of weapons, and some helen macinnes,

[glasater]

You are welcome, GJ :-)

West is about the only political person I truly enjoy watching in videos.

Had an interesting thing happen today on a photo project in our little town.

I met a gal who is the executive assistant to four star general Peter W. Chiarelli - she and her husband are retiring here.

[glasater]

And thanks also to dear Pagar :-)

[buccaneer morgan]

neat, glasater,

yes, colonel west is a fave as usual that means he gets taken out by unscrupulous characters like michelle fields, not spoken for by pajamas media,