If You Are Not Nervous About The Upcoming Election...

If you are not nervous about the impending Presidential election I envy and applaud you.

But for the rest of us (the Trembling Majority?), David Sanger of the Times presents a new concern that should easily crack anyone's Top 100 list of potential electoral disasters. As a disclaimer, I should add that when the White House wants an authoritative, sympathetic source to present their spin on international events they seek out Mr. Sanger. So this article is a lightly-edited press release rather than hard-hitting investigative journalism, but still - it is interesting to know what the Administration wants us to believe. Here we go, on cyberwar and the many complexities of a US response:

U.S. Wrestles With How to Fight Back Against Cyberattacks

ASPEN, Colo. — It has been an open secret throughout the Obama presidency that world powers have escalated their use of cyberpower. But the recent revelations of hacking into Democratic campaign computer systems in an apparent attempt to manipulate the 2016 election is forcing the White House to confront a new question: whether, and if so how, to retaliate.

So far, the administration has stopped short of publicly accusing the Russian government of President Vladimir V. Putin of engineering the theft of research and emails from the Democratic National Committee and hacking into other campaign computer systems. However, private investigators have identified the suspects, and American intelligence agencies have told the White House that they have “high confidence” that the Russian government was responsible.

Less certain is who is behind the selective leaks of the material, and whether they have a clear political objective. Suspecting such meddling is different from proving it with a certainty sufficient for any American president to order a response.

Because Obama is far too calm and reflective, don'cha know? I don't think game theorists recommend extreme predictability as a winning strategy, but I am not a genius like Obama either.

Oh, yeah, Obama is a visionary as well, as per this vignette from 2009:

While setting up his new administration, he was also learning the dark arts of cyberwar, descending into the Situation Room to oversee a complex American-Israeli offensive operation to disable Iran’s nuclear centrifuges. He expressed concern to his aides that the operation would help fuel the escalation of cyberattacks and counterattacks.

Right, because no one else anywhere realized that computer power was more widely available than nuclear power. Whatever. On to the new concern:

At the event in Aspen on Saturday afternoon, Lisa O. Monaco, Mr. Obama’s homeland security adviser, sidestepped specific discussion of the D.N.C. hacking but acknowledged that the administration might soon have to consider whether the United States’ electoral system constitutes “critical infrastructure,” like the power grid or the cellphone network.

“I think it’s a serious question,” she said, especially if there is “coercion, destruction, manipulation of data.” Ms. Monaco noted that whenever the United States thinks about retaliation, “the danger of escalation and misinterpretation is such that we have to be responsible about it.” But she also said that if an event were serious enough, “we have to be very clear we will respond.”

The cost of doing nothing could be high. As the United States and other nations move to more electronic voting systems, the opportunities for mischief rise. Imagine, for example, a vote as close as the 2000 presidential election between George W. Bush and Al Gore, but with accusations about impossible-to-trace foreign manipulation of the ballots or the vote count, leaving Americans wondering about the validity of the outcome.

Oh, brother. Florida 2000 becomes Florida/Ohio/Pennsylvania 2016? With a 4-4 Supreme Court unable to swing the result to Hillary? And who among us honestly believes that Obama, Lynch and the establishment Republicans running the FBI could investigate an election-tampering scheme and conclude that Hillary was the beneficiary and Trump won the election? Well, never ask a rhetorical question - I am confident that Democrats and establishment Republicans would insist that their investigation was fair and balanced, but in a close election, the half of the voters that went for Trump won't buy it.

Of course, if Russian manipulation secretly swings the election to Hillary this will get as much attention from the DoJ as Lois Lerner of the IRS. And whoever wins, the hint of Russian meddling makes it possible that the losers will not accept the legitimacy of the "winner", leaving our next leader in charge of an even-more divided country.

Our leaders and institutions have lost their credibility and the Russians may be inclined to exploit that. Yike.

MADMAN ACROSS THE WATER: Let me just snip a fair-use excerpt form the Foreign Policy link above:

Madman in the White House

Why looking crazy can be an asset when you’re staring down the Russians.

...

Nixon wanted to impress upon the Soviets that the president of the United States was, in a word, mad: unstable, erratic in his decision-making, and capable of anything. The American commander-in-chief wanted the Kremlin to know that he was willing to escalate even localized conventional military conflicts to the nuclear level. Kissinger understood: "I’ll tell [the Soviets] tomorrow night," he vowed. The national security advisor even rehearsed for the president specific lines from the good cop/bad cop routine he intended to put on. "The more we do now," he would tell his Soviet interlocutor, "the better." He was akin to saying: On the shoulders of reasonable men, like you and me, rests the responsibility of preventing a madman, like Nixon, from taking things too far.

It wasn’t the first time the national security advisor had been exposed to the strategic potential of madness. The concept had originated, amid the nuclear anxieties of the 1950s, in the academic circles Kissinger had formerly inhabited. It was a product of game theory, a mathematic discipline — often applied to national security policymaking — that can be used to assess competitive situations and predict actors’ choices, based on prior actions by their competitors. Kissinger himself had endorsed the concept in his writings, as a professor of international relations at Harvard, a full decade before he came to the White House. "The more reckless we appear [the better]," he told Nixon that afternoon, "because after all, Mr. President, what we’re trying to convince them of is that we are ready to go all the way."

In his post-Watergate memoir The Ends of Power, former White House chief of staff H.R. Haldeman wrote that his boss’s use of the strategy was hardly unconscious. "I call it the Madman Theory," Haldeman recalled the president telling him. "I want the North Vietnamese to believe I’ve reached the point where I might do anything to stop the war. We’ll just slip the word to them that, ‘for God’s sake, you know Nixon is obsessed about communism. We can’t restrain him when he’s angry — and he has his hand on the nuclear button,’ and Ho Chi Minh himself will be in Paris in two days begging for peace."

Comments

[Buckeye]

Thanks JiB

Will pass it along.

[Miss Marple 2]

TBT thinks all of us old ladies will clutch their pearls, faint and stay home as we cannot have that brazen hussy in the White House or something.

NOTHING compares to the vulgar clothing Michelle has worn over the last 8 years, so no clothes is fine by me!

[lyle]

Ham, pepper, onion, zucchini, mushroom, spinach, fresh basil linguini frittata with grated fresh parm for brunch by the pool. I smell a nap soon. Might have to do with that Beasts-sized Bloody Mary...😎

Anything else going on today?

[Captain Hate]

In case you thought I was taking license in the play by play:

http://www.weaselzippers.us/286965-wait-what-hillary-director-comey-said-i-was-telling-the-truth-about-email/

As most of you know I'm no fan of Chris Wallace but I'd grade his performance questioning Rodham as a B. You can only badger her about her howlers so much when you have so much to cover. The only thing I'd nick him for was going overboard on historical wonderfulness.

[Miss Marple 2]

Packed for auction 7 (SEVEN) miniature oil lamps I have accumulated.

I don't even like Victorian decor!

Loaded up another trunk in the Jeep to take to Goodwill, which I may or may not do today. Humidity is rising again and I don't feel like making the drive.

[Lurker Susie]

JM Hanes,

Comey said the FBI was able to retrieve 2000 emails
from the destroyed servers.

[Old Lurker]

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/EU_POLAND_POPE?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-07-31-09-18-59

We say it every time, but does nobody explain to the Pope that he himself runs the only country in the entire world that is surrounded by a tall guarded wall 24x7? How can he preach for all other countries to remove their own borders while he posts guards on his own?

Words fail.

[Beasts of England]

You may wanna take a gander at Mrs. Trump's photos before you retire to your bunk, lyle. :)

[Captain Hate]

Watching the PGA means enduring kumurshuls such as "America loves the Late Show with Stephen Colbert" which is at great odds with its crummy ratings.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

I always liked this Lays commercial and after reading a couple of nevertrump things I realized it's a perfect metaphor for American politics.
The little girl with the chips = Dems
The dopey guy with his face splatted on the train window = GOP
The chip itself = whatever squirrel the Dems wave in front of the dopey GOPe's face to distract them from winning.

[Truthbetold5]

MM

TBT could not care less what you do or do not do with your pearls.

[Jack is Back!]

To me its inconceivable that none of our security agencies (NSA, FBI, CIA, NRO) do not have all her emails. Surely, her unsecured private server versus a secure DoS server was not a compartmented Top Secret only known to her, Jake Sullivan and Huma.

It's almost as if it is purposefully left closed until October.

[Captain Hate]

OL, the Poles are turning a deaf ear to Che.

[daddy on iPad pondering his next drink]

SBW needs to add "public Servant" to his list of words that have altered their intended meaning.

It is is a strange linguistic category. It is still flung around as if to shield it's user in a cloak of uncritical able moral philanthropy, yet what the publicl perceives it as is absolute moral corruption and unleashed venality.

[Art in Newport]

My oldest boy was in the Army, intelligence, electronic intercept, deployed from Ft Lewis with the first SF, mostly. He knows a lot of people who are still in. He says the entire Intel community is livid over what Hillary did, and that she got away with it.

He doesn't know anything for sure, but he has speculated that US Intel is behind this.

[daddy on iPad vin rouge]

Michael Savage: "Borders, Language, Culture."

Pope Francis: "No Borders, No Language, No Culture."

One of them is an enemy of Western Civilization, and the other one is banned from entry to Britain.

[DrJ]

Public Servant

I was one of those for a bit. I didn't last long, as you might expect for one who is a free-market capitalist.

Suggestion for afternoon listening: Beethoven Piano Concerto No. 5, Rudolph Serkin, Philadelphia, Ormandy (1950). I love the energy, though the recording is not great.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8EbAvP879g

The Serkins are proof that musicality is not transmitted genetically.

squaredance, I'd love to hear some of your favorite Richter selections. Would you post links to a few of them please?

[Jack is Back!]

BTW, for you watching the PGA, does that guy in the National car rental ad remind you of the most god awful prick you ever worked with?

[rse]

So Loretta Lynch's old law firm that is profiled here for its ties to clinton is also where Khazr Kahn worked.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/attorney-general-loretta-lynchs-law-firm-tied-to-hillary-clinton/5527877

Can't imagine where someone got the idea to exploit this young man's death to try to create a meme that trump couldn't combat without the grief card being raised.

[Jack is Back!]

DrJ,

Today on the dog drive down the Ocean I had on Haydn's Four Seasons: Autumn. Perfect for a grey day. All my knowledge of the classics comes from Sirius and their hosts whom I love to listen to for the ins and outs of the genre. Keep posting those selections you have.

[lyle]

You mean "Putty," JiB?

What's this about nekkid pix of Melania? Can't some caring soul post them here? 😬

[lyle]

Haydn's Four Seasons, you say?

[Jack is Back!]

lyle,

You think bermuda is slow? Not when they go dormant.

[rse]

http://www.hoganlovells.de/files/Publication/553864ff-1d85-41a8-bfaa-7520cd55619e/Presentation/PublicationAttachment/048de04c-6641-471a-97fa-4a74801d9859/2105_Jurors%20Watch%20the%20Screen.pdf

He was Hogan & Hartson's Litigation Technology Manager in 2005, the year after his son's death.

[lyle]

Putty is the National car rental dude, Jack. Seinfeld character.

[DrJ]

lyle, I didn't want to go there.

[Beasts of England]

They're at the NY Post, lyle. TBT linked them about an hour ago on this thread.

[lyle]

So TBT is a perv? Shocking.

[Truthbetold5]

lyle, I believe you said "caring soul"

[Jack is Back!]

lyle,

sorry but I have no idea who is who on Seinfeld. Only watched it once with Frederick. Found it ho-hum. Thought you were referring to my comment on putting on Bermuda greens for buckeye.

remind me to not play trivial pursuit with you guys.

[Jack is Back!]

Well, excuse me. The Seasons. Geez, pretty tough crowd.

Four Seasons was some Italian guy, I know.

[DrJ]

JiB,

tough crowd.

Grin! Vivaldi. At least it wasn't Holst. And thanks for the encouragement.

[Frau Steingehirn]

Art in Neewport - it would renew faith in my country if the leaks were from US Intel.
As Insty sez, "More, faster!"

[Porchlight]

Pat Caddell says Reuters decided they didn't like their "neither candidate" poll option and is amazed and angry that not only have they decided to stop offering it, they've recalculated past polls and reallocated the "neither" votes into either Trump or Clinton and surprise! No more Trump lead.

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/07/30/exclusive-pat-caddell-blasts-reuters-back-rigging-polls-to-show-clinton-winning/

[James D.]

SBW needs to add "public Servant" to his list of words that have altered their intended meaning.

Totally!

That term and its misuse drives me nuts. The fact that someone draws their paycheck from the taxpayers does not automatically make them a public servant; and it certainly doesn't mean that their "service" is desired by or in any way useful to the public at large.

[Beasts of England]

I thought La Primavera is what lyle had today for brunch. By the poooool...

[JM Hanes]

I don't think any of it is beyond the realm of possibility, clarice. I just get tired of clicking on headlines stated as fact, only to find out it's yet another opinion from a source at some considerable remove. Then comes trying to determine whether it's an informed and/or partisan source. In this case it turns out that Binney is still actively plugged into the old familiar VIPS crowd, (although he was already working on the outside by the time they really got rolling). Maybe that's why Breitbart just referred to him as a "famed whistleblower," without offering further details. Daily Caller does a lot of great investigative reporting, but they overhype their actual findings a lot, too. It's really a kind of fake news, imo.

If the NSA does have the other Clinton emails, I feel pretty confident that Comey et al have surely seen them, even though my own opinion hardly qualifies as informed. If those "missing" missives contain the kind of damning material about Clinton Foundation corruption, if not classified info, I suspect they do, I hope someone will take the risk and do the ultimate whistleblowing honors. It was my impression that there was, in fact, a corruption investigation underway. Was it ever explicitly resolved, or is it stiil going on under the radar?

[Jack is Back!]

DrJ,

The Sirius version this morning had some wonderful vocals. Just so damn relaxing I parked on the ramp at Cooper's Beach and just listened and watched the ocean for 5 minutes. Even the Beagles laid down and rested.

BTW, the doe who was playing with the Beagles may have been keeping them at bay. We have found a young fawn in the area beyond our fence that no one keeps up but is wild. She or he looks to be about 4 weeks old. Beautiful.

[Porchlight]

Let's see, a Muslim died valiantly 12 years ago fighting in a war for which Hillary Clinton voted, therefore neither Donald Trump nor anyone else is allowed ever again to have opinions on how many Muslims we should import into the United States.

Do I have that correct?

[Captain Hate]

Porch, good to see you. Jane was concerned you mighty have been in the hot air balloon accident.

[Miss Marple 2]

Porchlight!

Glad to see you. Jane was worried you might have been involved in the balloon disaster.

I have been looking for you ever since!

[Frau Steingehirn]

CH deserves the evening off after actually listening to the Harpy of Park Rige. In most cases that needs medical attention. I hope his TV monitor is still in one piece after this:

“Chris, that’s not what I heard Director Comey say, and I thank you for giving me the opportunity to, in my view, clarify,” Clinton responded. “Director Comey said that my answers were truthful, and what I’ve said is consistent with what I have told the American people, that there were decisions discussed and made to classify retroactively certain of the emails.”

“I was communicating with over 300 people in my emailing. They certainly did not believe and had no reason to believe that what they were sending was classified,” she added. “Now in retrospect, different agencies come in and say, well, it should have been, but that’s not what was happening in real time.

"THEY did it. The 300. I didn't. Comey said so, and those 300 people are patriotic to the core."

[Buckeye]

lyle, I didn't want to go there.

Dr.J. if you are male, and can still fog a mirror, you do want to go there. Trust me.

TBT's link at 3:12.

[Frau Steingehirn]

"Benghazi security was not my ball to carry."

It was the incompetent 300 who failed. The buck stopped with them.
Pfui!

[JM Hanes]

Lurker Susie:

"Comey said the FBI was able to retrieve 2000 emails
from the destroyed servers."

Thanks, perhaps that's what I was remembering. Now we just need the other 31,000. :-)

[lyle]

It is like pasta prima vera but you stir in four beaten eggs plus the cheese and the cooked pasta and veggies and pour the whole mixture into a sauté pan and brown on both sides then stick in the oven to cook the eggs through. Magnifique!

[Porchlight]

Sorry Jane and everyone! Thank you for your kind concern. I should have checked in earlier. We are safe and sound, in MN visiting my folks. Terrible accident - I was sad to hear of it. We have friends in the area and I was vaguely aware of that hot air balloon company.

[Theo]

Porch light --

Great to see you. And your post is EXACTLY right.

For Jack's benefit, Porch was being sarcastic.

[Frau Steingehirn]

If anyone "should go there" it is Capt.Hate who watched Hillary! spew more lies this morning on TV.

Can some of you email bomb him with NYPost links?

[Beasts of England]

I read right past the eggs ingredient, lyle. That sounds interesting - kind of like a pasta frittata?

[lyle]

Dear gawd what a lying [redacted].

[lyle]

Exactly, Beasts.

[Beasts of England]

Eggsactly, you say? :)

[DrJ]

lyle,

Maybe I can't fog a mirror any longer. I don't care how Melania and the Omen look. I just don't care.

MrsJ is 66, and looks it. The post doc here wears Mormon temple garments. My tech has tattoos that I wouldn't do.

I love them all for what they do. I don't care about how perky their tits are, or how shapely their legs might be. I care about who they are.

So sue me.

[squaredance]

DRj; Will poke around later. My guess is that much of the good stuff is not on Youtube, but could be wrong.

[Buckeye]

"Benghazi security was not my ball to carry."

It was the incompetent 300 who failed. The buck stopped with them.

Chicken shit responce.

[Frau Nie Wieder Clinton]

lyle, She! is a lying [redacted] redacted].

[DrJ]

squaredance,

Thanks! Yes, youtube and other free places often don't have the best stuff. But any links would be much appreciated.

[Captain Hate]

Thanks Frau, I was just there and the world is a better place.

Btw, after that people should take a look at the Kerry Kennedy article. Just when I thought I couldn't think any worse of the Hyannisport trash.

[Beasts of England]

All SAP data is born classified and her signature on the read-in denotes her understanding of 'marked or unmarked' information. She's a disgrace.

[clarice]

Can't isagree with you on those points, JMH>

[clarice]

*disagree*

[Captain Hate]

I think I should've known that Porch was going to MN.

[Threadkiller]

The 300 willingly sent government emails to a non ".gov" address?

[Threadkiller]

Let's see, a Muslim died valiantly 12 years ago fighting in a war for which Hillary Clinton voted, therefore neither Donald Trump nor anyone else is allowed ever again to have opinions on how many Muslims we should import into the United States.

Do I have that correct?

You missed the part where a Muslim killed him.

[Miss Marple 2]

TK,

If so then we need a wholesale cleaning of government.

What she just said is that "everybody" ignores security protocol.

[Frau Nie Wieder Clinton]

JMH - VIPS! I still have my info on them in a bulging Plamegate/Joe Wilson IV folder. Vipers is what they all are and still operating as such.

Valerie on Hillary in 2113:

Let's say she doesn't run. Who's your next pick?

"I think someone like Elizabeth Warren. She's awfully articulate and very attractive. And there is a strong populist feel through the nation right now. And she taps into that."

Warren and populism = super
Trump and populism = toxic evil

[Threadkiller]

Yep, MM.

More ammo for Trump.

[Threadkiller]

Another question for the new Dem I-Kahn, is a gay wedding cake Hala or Haram?

[James D.]

he 300 willingly sent government emails to a non ".gov" address?

Yeah, it's funny how that never comes up at all. NOBODY raised an eyebrow about that?

But the bigger thing about the whole story, and it's an argument the GOP hasn't made nearly as clearly as it should have, is:

The specific number of emails, or whether they were deleted or not, or classified or not, is less important than the fact that Hillary deliberately chose not to operate within the rules and under the oversight required of all government officials. She set up a parallel system to do ALL her work as SoS, a system with no oversight, no accountability, no archiving, no anything.

And the ONLY reason to do that is to hide activities that you know are immoral or illegal.

[Beasts of England]

You'd think that an opposition party would be hauling each of those three-hundred in from of Congress for a little testimony, followed by a mass revocation of clearances for any of those who sent or received one single classified document from her private server.

Nah!!

[Beasts of England]

in *front* of

[Jack is Back!]

TK,

And the Muzzie who killed Capt. Khan, was he vetted like the Captain was or was he, like, unknown. He could have been secular since religion has nothing to do with this.

And Khzir being Pakistani knows too well that most Pakis die at the hands of unvettable other Pakis than the USA milliarty. I hope Trump has someone knowledgeable to vamp this up.

[JM Hanes]

DrJ:

Have I told you lately you're my favorite?

[Miss Marple 2]

Beasts,

I am about to the point that I think everyone in that cesspool is blackmailing everyone else.

I think that they all keep dirt on each other. "Tell on me and I will tell on you!"

Out! Out!

[Threadkiller]

He could have been secular since religion has nothing to do with this.

LOL!

Has anyone ever explained why after OBL was purportedly killed he was allegedly given a proper Muslim burial?

[pagar, a bacon, ham and sausage supporter]

IMO, we have just seem the DNC steal an election for Hillary Clinton and she is worried about the Russian hackers, IMO, pure BS.

[Captain Hate]

Trump should have a field day with Slick Hilly's answers.

[Beasts of England]

I think it's multi-faceted, Miss Marple. It's almost impossible to fire those snowflakes and they act like it. At the upper echelon, you're correct that they keep chits on each other. Mutually assured destruction wasn't just for the Rooskies.

[daddy on iPad]

Comey said the FBI was able to retrieve 2000 emails
from the destroyed servers.

My guess is JOM has had a million comments in the last 20 years, yet I bet there's no way they contain more than a dozen mentions of Yoga, and only a couple hundred max mention wedding planning. If she could write 30,000 emails on Yoga and Wedding planning she's unfit to be Prez just due to being so damn boring.

Yevginy:. "Hey, Ivan, what'd the US Secretary of State post today, more Super Top Secret satellite shots of critical installations?"

Igor: Nah, Igor, Vlad is gonna' be pissed! It was more Imperialist shit about Chelsea's wedding dress. Chelsea wanted it made out of Leather, but Ivanka Trump told here no.

Yevgeny: Well is there anything new on illegal arms shipments to Libya? Any new backstabbing at the DNC? Or did she maybe out another undercover CIA Agent we can capture and torture?

Igor: No, it's all E-Mails about Yoga, Yoga and getting that hog of a daughter married off to some sleazeball felons kid! But she did screw up and include some great financial info you and me ought to be able to get rich off personally.

Yevgeny: . What is it?

Igor: Invest heavily in Greek Hedgefunds!

[Jane]

Porch,

TC emailed me earlier to say you were okay. It was a long time without an appearance so....

Trump attacking Khan reminds me of his attack on the Judge. Both huge examples of bad judgment. He just can't help himself. Khan has suffered enough. Attack Hillary instead, endlessly.

I posted this earlier on the other thread. In a dem debate when asked who our biggest enemies were, Hillary said "republicans". That should be shoved down Miss-I'll unite us' throat every five minutes.

[Threadkiller]

It is ok for Kahn to attack Trump?

[Beasts of England]

lol, daddy!!

[pagar, a bacon, ham and sausage supporter]

Coming soon to a police station near you if we let the leftists run this nation.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2614834/Arrested-quoting-Winston-Churchill-European-election-candidate-accused-religious-racial-harassment-repeats-wartime-prime-ministers-words-Islam-campaign-speech.html

IMO, Europe and Great Britain have already fallen to them.

[common man]

Kahn = Momma Sheehan. He has full moral authority according to the media. He just needs to pitch a tent in a ditch outside Bush's ranch to achieve sainthood in the media's eyes...

[DrJ]

JMH.

Have I told you lately you're my favorite?

Not recently, but we do have a history (wink!).

[Lurker Susie]

Kahn and Kaine are being used by Hillary
for the military vote. Every campaign
speech Caine reminds people that his son
is an active duty Marine.

[Texas Liberty Gal]

JIB - Seinfeld is hilarious-gotta watch more then 1 episode!!! In fact I started watching all the reruns again last week in between DNC coverage. I appreciated being able to laugh before & after viewing the Dems at the convention.

[Threadkiller]

The quote:

Mr Weston told his audience: 'Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.

'Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the faith: all know how to die but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it.

'No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith.'

Pagar, thank you for all the links you provide.

[boris]

"Trump attacking Khan reminds me of his attack on the Judge"

For me a bit of snark does not rate the verb "attack". YMMV. I think it is fair to way that Khan participated in attacking Trump though.

[Threadkiller]

How the hell did the cops get there so fast for such a short quote?

[Miss Marple 2]

Pence's son is an active duty Marine, too, Lurker Susie.

I am more interested in Khan's connection to the Clinton Foundation.

I wonder if he had any contacts with Seth Rich.

[squaredance]

Except he was right about the judge, and not 3 weeks later a Supreme Court Justice just proved the point. The bench is one of the major flanks of the enemy and it is time this is publicly stated. That blew over and so will this. So I really do not see it as bad judgement. Just calling it like it is. What would be worse judgement is not be cowed at this point by the PC police. Let the Democrats own their elevation of Muslims above the rest of us. I fear that now we will see some bad judgement out of Trump: he will cave on this.

And, BTW, Trump did not "attack: this guy.

I can tell you that the people that will be swayed to vote for Trump do not care in the least about this guy. I certainly do not.

Neither o the Democrats, BTW. Once he as ceased to be of use he will be forgotten.

There are several points of attack here. I hope that Trump goes on the attack soon.

[Jane]

TK, Boris,

You hold Trump to no standard at all. You should be democrats - or maybe you are.

[boris]

Are you trolling us Jane?

[Threadkiller]

Jane, are you attacking me and boris?

[squaredance]

Doubtful if kaine can get the military vote: look at him.

If Khan can sway the military we are most certainly doomed. My bet: Trump gets somewhere around 2/3rds of the active military vote.

[Jack is Back!]

When did Trump attack Khan's son or any active duty muslim? Did I miss that part? But it is all okay at the NRO launch party to pre-empt any comment with an attack on a Presidential candidate who only wants to vet the Syrian refugees the same way Captain Khan was vetted by the Army?

What is so wrong about that? And I checked my copy of the Constitution, you know the one in Pushto, and it has nothing about vetting your sworn enemies in it.

BTW, I seem to remember some fragging episodes by Muslim American military before the invasion of Iraq. Just saying.

[Beasts of England]

The guy deserves some slack for the portion of his related to his son, but it was such a small portion of his harangue, that the whole of it is fair game.

[GUS]

JIB @ 1:26 is spot on. I think John's Creek Bill should read it and then come and tell us about his DOGS and his HUNTING.

Everything Jack said in that post paints and accurate picture of a lying pile of shit known as Hillary Rodham. A treasonous bitch at best.