Dark Shadows

The NY Times grudgingly notes trouble in Their Blue Heaven:

Hillary Clinton’s 15,000 New Emails to Get Timetable for Release

By Mark Landler and Steven Lee Myers    Aug 22, 2016

Well, they have toned down the gloomier front page headline, which reads:

"New Clinton Emails Raise Shadow Over Her Campaign"

Let the sun shine!

There is also a bit of bad-news management in their opening (4th paragraph):

WASHINGTON — The dispute over Hillary Clinton’s email practices now threatens to shadow her for the rest of the presidential campaign after the disclosure on Monday that the F.B.I. collected nearly 15,000 new emails in its investigation of her and a federal judge’s order that the State Department accelerate the documents’ release.

As a result, thousands of emails that Mrs. Clinton did not voluntarily turn over to the State Department last year could be released just weeks before the election in November. The order, by Judge James E. Boasberg of Federal District Court, came the same day a conservative watchdog group separately released hundreds of emails from one of Mrs. Clinton’s closest aides, Huma Abedin, which put a new focus on the sometimes awkward ties between the Clinton Foundation and the State Department.

The F.B.I. discovered the roughly 14,900 emails by scouring Mrs. Clinton’s server and the computer archives of government officials with whom she corresponded. In late July, it turned them over to the State Department, which now must set a timetable for their release, according to Judge Boasberg’s order.

While the emails were not in the original trove of 55,000 pages that Mrs. Clinton’s lawyers handed to the State Department last year, the F.B.I. director, James B. Comey, said in July that he did not believe they had been “intentionally deleted.” Still, he characterized Mrs. Clinton’s handling of classified information during her years at the State Department as “extremely careless.”

As to the "intentionally deleted" question, it is clear, if we can believe anything at all that Hillary has said, that her team deleted thousands of emails. We were assured that the deleted emails related to wedding plans and yoga schedules, but that was debunked by James Comey of the FBI when he announced that the FBI had recovered thousands of work-related emails.

And his take about intentional deletion was quite different from the Times presentation today:

The F.B.I. discovered “several thousand” work-related emails that were not in the original trove of 30,000 turned over by Mrs. Clinton to the State Department. Three of those contained information that agencies have concluded was classified, though Mr. Comey said he did not believe Mrs. Clinton deliberately deleted or withheld them from investigators.

The FBI was not investigating violations of the Freedom of Information Act or the National Archives Act, both of which relate to record-keeping and neither of which have criminal penalties. His comment about intentional deletion related to the intentional, or inadvertent, deletion of evidence of mishandling of classified information. In that context, his meaning is clear - Hillary may or may not have lied about circumventing the FOIA and the National Archives Act (OK, she lied) but per Comey she did not deliberately conceal evidence relevant to the FBI investigation.

So I suppose the next Hillary spin will be that these newly discovered work-related emails were just deleted in the normal course of this and that. When they are released, and the push is on to get them out before the election, we may see for ourselves just what sort of "work-related" stuff the FBI found, and whether it overlaps with the pay-to-play connection between State Department access and Clinton Foundation donations.

Will these revelations change any minds? A majority of the US public already considers Hillary untrustworthy.

Comments

[buccaneer morgan]

ah tiger beat doesn't dissapoint,

[henry]

"What difference, at this point, does it make?"

[Porchlight]

Surprising number of stories about the emails today. Maybe the Morning Joe tweets were as effective as planned. ;)

[buccaneer morgan]

carrying over from the other thread,

http://dailycaller.com/2016/08/22/emails-huma-abedin-left-classified-material-unsecured-in-the-front-seat-of-her-car/

[Porchlight]

OT already,

Gearing up for the Trump rally this evening. Stopped by 7-11 for gas, saw several police motorcycles parked up front. Thought to myself "these look like the motorcade guys." Sure enough, was chatting with the officers inside while getting coffee and they were getting ready to "bring Trump in." I mentioned that I was going to the rally. The (Hispanic) officer I was chatting with didn't know when it started, so I'm guessing not a Trump supporter, but he was very polite and said "we'll see you down there."

After I said something like "sounds good, be safe" and walked away, I heard a couple of the officers making "choo choo" noises and laughing, so probably making fun, but maybe not. At any rate there were five or six of them and I don't believe for a moment they're *all* voting Clinton.

I'm a bit nervous, but excited. Rally-going not something I've done before. Mr. Porch was (surprisingly) eager to come along. His last political rally was seeing Obama in 2008 here in town with his brother and my brother. That was the rally Obama said later was the point at which he realized he was going to win. Let's hope Mr. Porch brings the same luck to Trump.

[Matt]

Funny how a few e mails have turned into a virtual waterfall of wonders.

Hillary is fast becoming known as the Danny Ortega of Chappaqua with all of her graft and Joe Isuzu has got nothin' on her.

[Marlene]

Don't worry,Hillary told Jimmy Kimmel her e-mails are boring. *CACKLE*

[cheerleader]

Tuesday, Aug 23
1:30 pm Pence, King of Prussia PA
4:00 pm Pence, Pipersville PA
7:30 pm Trump, Austin, TX

Wednesday, Aug 24
1:00 pm Trump, Tampa FL
3:00 pm Pence, Wilmington NC
7:00 pm Trump, Jackson MS

[Marlene]

Porch,I can't wait for your report! Have fun!

[cheerleader]

Appalled is appalled than anyone would think Trump is anything like the Founding Fathers.

One way he is, is that he is courageous. They put themselves at great risk to openly rebel against the establishment's coercive notions of right and wrong, and nd Mr. Trump is doing the same.

[cheerleader]

Porchlight,

Will you be uploading any pictures?

[Porchlight]

Thanks, Marlene! Hope to report back later tonight!

[Truthbetold5]

Imagine that, folks who went to Obama rallies now going to Trump rallies.

[Momto2]

Another tidbit about Huma is she started working for HRC when she was 18 as a college intern - she is now 40!

Seems a remarkably long time for D.C. as aids tend to move around a lot (so I'm told.)

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Obamacare Is Rapidly Becoming The Poster-Child For American Inequality

A halfway honest press would have already crowned Big Mouth Barry as the King of Inequality.
More people out of the labor force, more people on welfare and food stamps, declining median income, more part time and low pay service work, black youth unemployment >50%, crime rates rising, fixed incomes and interest income falling behind inflation, pensions drowning in ZIRP, millions more stuck on Medicaid and Medicaid-like Barrycare plans.

At the same time, more billionaires than ever, more corporate welfare and subsidies, artificially inflated stock markets and luxury assets and Bill Gates approaching the first centi-billionaire status.

Just as in the Great Depression when that other prog icon FDR was shoveling the graft; the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.
Aint we got fun?

[buccaneer morgan]

the sharyl atkinson of mexico gets results,

http://aristeguinoticias.com/

[squaredance]

Porch take some picutres and post them.

[Captain Hate]

Any chance that dear sweet Huma ultimately gets viewed as a liability to the crime family? She already pissed off Rodham once by comparing her dysfunctional "marriage" to the latter day trash pairing of Lady Macbeth and Clenis; reports of frostbitten nether parts have not been confirmed.

[Porchlight]

cheerleader, with Mr Porch's help (I don't have a smartphone) I will do my best. We'll definitely take photos, but it may not be until afterwards that I can upload to JOM, Reddit etc.

[Miss Marple 2]

I still don't get the marriage with Weiner. I especially don't get why she is still married to him.

[henry]

Sharia doesn't allow divorce?

[Porchlight]

squaredance, I used your #PickleStrong hashtag on Reddit this morning. Here's the reaction. :)

[Miss Marple 2]

henry,

Yes, but sharia shouldn't have allowed the marriage to a Jew. That is what puzzles me.

[squaredance]

Porch: I did not mean post them live...just when you get a chance. Would like to see one of these from the POV of someone at JOM. That is all.

[squaredance]

Porch, next time on reddit try #hammerandpickle and see what they say.

[Beasts of England]

Well, heck, I'm sorry I got busy potting my lovely new Japanese silver adagio and didn't get to rebut Appalled on the previous thread, but Team JOM did a fine job in my stead. :)

And to be sure, Appalled, I find the listed individuals traitors to liberty. Make of that what you will.

[Beasts of England]

That's awesome, Porchlight!! Glad that Mr. Porch is tagging along. :)

[Porchlight]

Looks like Hannity is taping a Trump town hall here in Austin before the rally. It's downtown. Gonna be crazy traffic. I'll be heading in the other direction to the rally arena.

https://www.eventbrite.com/e/hannity-exclusive-two-hour-event-with-trump-in-austin-tickets-27181019160

[Porchlight]

Porch, next time on reddit try #hammerandpickle and see what they say.

LOL, will do.

Will definitely share some pics here at JOM.

[derwill]

Miss M. Weiner was a big up and comer in Dem inner circles until he stepped on his weiner. They were talking about him as a possible Speaker one day and even a presidential candidate. As a MB mole, marriage to him would have given her big time access. Of course as Hillary's lover, she also had, um, access there.

[-peter]

Pickle jar was an OJ glove moment. It didn't impress us but we're not the target audience

[Porchlight]

Beasts,

I'm glad he's going to be with me. Hearing on Reddit that protests are planned for the rally today. Honestly, this is Texas and it seems stupid to be messing with people who might be carrying (not inside the arena but outside).

[Porchlight]

If the lid doesn't pop, she has to stop

[Free James D]

Beasts @ 11:39

You are exactly right. The people you named ARE traitors to liberty and deserve every bit of condemnation thrown their way.

[derwill]

Get serious. Like the pickle jar lid wasn't already loosened ahead of time.

[rich]

Posted by: Beasts of England | August 23, 2016 at 11:39 AM

You're Welcome.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Does anyone think the old fat ass went out there and risked not being able to open a jar lid some SS guy hadn't already cracked for her?

Of course if she really is America's Stepford mother-in-law she could twist Kimmel's little head off with a mere flick of the wrist. While baking cookies.

[derwill]

Of course, Appalled and Theo probably fell for it, so you're right. We weren't the target audience.

[Momto2]

This is obviously a posed shot but my, my isn't it rather harsh?

I am curious why she would agree to this being taken in the first place but then shared publically? (from Jan of this year) - If you zoom in on her face her eyes look like dead shark eyes.

http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/01/weiner-documentary-reveals-about-huma-abedin

[Appalled]

Since I would prefer Kaine to Hillary, I don't care if Hillary is in good or bad health.

[Beasts of England]

rich!!

[Porchlight]

Get serious. Like the pickle jar lid wasn't already loosened ahead of time.

For sure it was. Did you hear a pop? I didn't hear a pop. :)

[Momto2]

Get serious. Like the pickle jar lid wasn't already loosened ahead of time.

I was going to say the same thing. Anyone who would be consoled by that little display is hopelessly destined to vote D anyway.

[Beasts of England]

If Huma is truly a Honey Trap, I wonder if taqiya provides for that level of - dare I say - subterfuge, Miss Marple?

[rich]

hope all is well beasts.

other possibilities:

he is a convert.

they both work for the same "employer".

[Beasts of England]

Doing fine, rich - busy with work and life...

I think there's much more to that relationship than on the surface. Another arranged marriage between two devious and ambitious skunks.

[Buckeye]

Beasts said in the last thread:

I didn't follow the link that Captain, et al. are responding to, but the theme is obvious. And that leads to a very troubling conclusion: I fear that shortly after The Burning Times™ arrive, I'll have used all my ammunition on the Goldbergs and Kristols and Wills of this nation before I get a chance to kill a single [redacted] liberal. It just makes me sad.

My advice to Beasts and all JOMers. You have 10 weeks or so to buy ammo, so start stocking up. If Short Circuit wins, it will zoom in price, so any you don't use can be traded for necessities. The soup lines might be really long:)

[Porchlight]

Hearing now that the Austin event seats 6500 but with room for 3000 on the floor. Makes sense because that's where they hold the rodeo. Going to be YUGE. Hope we get in.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Report Debunks ‘Born That Way’ Narrative And ‘Transgender’ Label For Kids

[Man Tran]

Yeah, haven't even unpacked the latest 170 lb of 'alternative monetary exchange' that arrived with MTJr a few weeks ago.

[buccaneer morgan]

ah yes, kaine, skydragon acolyte, somelives matter proselytizer, an adept of barzinji and other ilkwan big wigs,

[Captain Hate]

Of course if she really is America's Stepford mother-in-law she could twist Kimmel's little head off with a mere flick of the wrist.

Too bad Howie Long didn't take his head off when the not very funny boy was getting exposure on the Fox enneffell pre game show.

[Frau Rutger Gefahrfeld]

From the Interept article. How many more "superdelgates" are padding their pockets?

Previously released emails suggest that Gephardt also lobbied the State Department to set up meetings with business associates. Gephardt, a superdelegate, endorsed Clinton early during the 2016 Democratic primary.

[rich]

this is going to be a strange ot, occasioned by reading a recent Belmont Club piece about the "blockchain" and logging on to another social media account: someone you may know. As a matter of fact I do, and oddly, I can't think of how that social media platform would know.

the blockchain records time and location data for transactions and I wonder if marketing is attempting to get so specific-individualized-that say when I go to the gas station and swipe my card the little tv at the pump has an ad tailored just for me. and since the block chain would have time and location data for months a marketing firm for target me all along my commute. I know that there has been some recent attempts along those lines-if you walk into a mall and one of the anchor stores sends a text message with some exclusive sale.

rambling and brainstorming as I am waiting for my car.

[-peter]

She can unscrew a jar but her server opened a can of worms

[Dave (in MA)]

Janet had "It looks like ShortCircuit is ‪#‎PickleStrong‬" on FB.

[henry]

rich. nail meet head.

[Old Lurker]

Appalled "Since I would prefer Kaine to Hillary, I don't care if Hillary is in good or bad health."

Then you had better hope she goes straight to dead-dead - publicly - otherwise Bill is locking her up in the attic of the White House so he can run the government for her for as long as she has a pulse or at least people think she does. Bill ain't moving aside for Tim Kaine.

[buccaneer morgan]

I think they are working toward blipverts, without the attendant head explosion, I don't want a point of sale terminal, who knows more about me, than I do?

[Dave (in MA)]

Even if it was loosened in advance, they probably had to tell that pampered fatass which way to turn the lid. I'm sure it's the first menial task she's performed in decades.

[Beasts of England]

I'd hate to guess an exact number of rounds that my brother has stored, Buckeye, but I know that he has sixty of those old school ammo boxes filled up. That should be enough for National Review headquarters...

[Miss Marple 2]

Frau,

I saw this old tape of Trump. He was talking about doing the wolfram Ice arena and he said he did it to prove a point, that the city government wasted so much money that the city could be wealthy if they just stopped.

Another tape I saw indicated he thought we should receive some payment from countries like Japan and Saudi Arabia for defending them.

Both of these are old tapes and the amount of corruption and waste has been bothering him for a long time, I think.

I never thought about superdelegates, but you are right. That position obviously has a monetary reward component, as you spotted.

[jimmyk]

Bill ain't moving aside for Tim Kaine.

I'm sure that would be just fine with Appalled, no doubt he prefers Bill to both (and to Trump). Never mind the pesky Constitution-thingy.

[Dave (in MA)]

h/t, Vodkapundit/Insty:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/91-year-man-shoots-man-rob-neck-41588740

"91-Year-Old Man Shoots Man Trying to Rob Him in the Neck
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS"

Layers of editors.

[Miss Marple 2]

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/703019/tinderbox-at-gates-of-europe-real-migration-migrant-surge-on-way-Reiner-Klingholz

[buccaneer morgan]

I remember that was his pitch in the 80s, back then we didn't know about the miti property bubble, then again neither did fallows, and that failure like flathead re shatilla, advanced his career,

[rich]

>>>rich. nail meet head.

Posted by: henry | August 23, 2016 at 12:29 PM<<<

I am already late and the tinker gnomes are thinking way beyond that. Lanier touched on a bit of it in "Who Owns the Future" but just thinking about having months (years) of location and time data for transactions ... yikes! figure the data miner would know you better than you know yourself. bad habits, miles you drive, problems you have, route you take to work ... even people that you meet up with at the bar or restaurant.

in re the other social media platform: I think it might be an ip address or mac address that was linked. Can't think of any other connection to the person.

[Buckeye]

Yeah, haven't even unpacked the latest 170 lb of 'alternative monetary exchange' that arrived with MTJr a few weeks ago.

5.56 denomination?

[lyle]

"91-Year-Old Man Shoots Man Trying to Rob Him in the Neck

That's almost as good as the famous Koala bear headline:

"Eats, shoots, and leaves"

[Frau Rutger Gefahrfeld]

To paraphrase Winnie: "We shall defend our country, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight Soros on the beaches, we shall fight him on the landing grounds, we shall fight him in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender."

George Soros is involved in every aspect of manipulating the rules of American elections,” Adams told the Washington Free Beacon. “From funding Pew’s efforts to centralize election administration, to fueling litigation that attacks election integrity laws, to fanning the flames of racial agitation and polarization, Soros dollars are doing all they can to fundamentally transform American elections.”

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Not that Kimmel would ever pitch anything but a softball to the old lamp tosser, but that jar of pickles in her hand had to dissuade him even further.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Soros's definition of an Open Society is an Open Treasury.

[Marlene]

Well,according to reports from the Bangor Daily News,President Pen and Phone will soon use his pen and designate a North Woods National Monument. The Penobscot County Registry of Deeds confirmed that the company owned by Roxanne Quimby (founder of Burt's Bees) transferred 87,563 acres to "The United States of America" (13 deeds). Quimby,the National Park Service and the White House could not be reached for comment.
It seems this announcement should have been made by one of the Senators or maybe the Governor's office. Lepage's head is going to explode. Stay tuned.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Now I'm going to have to boycott another company [Burt's Bees] I never buy anything from.

[Porchlight]

Public Policy ‏@PublicPolicyTX

Austin liberals baffled by the amount of local support for Trump. It seems that some people don't truly know their neighbors. #VoterTurnout

Can confirm. Everyone is so "baffled" by Trump's visit here. If he gets 9K people tonight, maybe they'll get it....but probably not.

[henry]

Project let anyone vote that Soros wants to vote not stopped by 7th circuit.

[Marlene]

Burt's Bees is now owned by Clorox. Quimby made about $300M in the deal and starting buying land in Maine.

[Buckeye]

Beasts and MT.

Would you guys flip a coin to see who gets dibs on George Soros?

[Janet]

Have a great time, Porchlight!!!
I'm jealous.
It is great being with like-minded people....a real energy.

Even some of the small gatherings I've been to were great (pro-life, stand with Israel, tea party). No matter what...win or lose....it is cool to be standing with the right side.

[Captain Hate]

otherwise Bill is locking her up in the attic of the White House so he can run the government for her for as long as she has a pulse or at least people think she does. Bill ain't moving aside for Tim Kaine.

I remember reading in a Ripley's Believe it or Not about the need for some guy who just croaked to sign something when some past ambulance chaser discovered the term "has life in his body", grabbed a housefly, stuck it in the stiff's mouth and a pen through his fingers and guided the hand for a signature. Since Short Circuit looks like she'd attract a swarm of carrion flies and the marginally worse stench of her decomposition ought to up the ante, I could see four years of this.

[Janet]

I made my own magnet bumper stickers out of regular bumper stickers today. One small one for my motorcycle & one for my car.

My husband doesn't want any bumper stickers...& also I can take them off when parked for a long time so nobody will vandalize my car.

Make America Great Again!!

[Marlene]

The deeds were signed by Quimby as the grantor and the deputy realty officer of the Dept. of the Interior (NPS). The total acreage is nearly twice the size of Acadia.
Who knew the Dept.of the Interior has a realty office?

[Momto2]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/91-year-man-shoots-man-rob-neck-41588740

Thanks lyle - English teachers need incentive like this to keep us going!

[maryrose]

Porch:
Have fun today and represent us in spirit!
The light is shining through on the layers of Clinton corruption.
I don't want a replacement option invoked.
Wikileaks must wait until after early voting begins.
Agree about Bill grabbing the reins.
No one can die before the election.
Sympathy vote would do us in.
Can't Trump or RNC bribe Pagliano?
All the bodies are buried with him

[maryrose]

Good for you Janet!

[Captain Hate]

It's not like Maine doesn't already have huge amounts of land already off limits to development in Baxter, Acadia and the Allagash Waterway; plus I'm sure plenty of others of which I'm not aware. And the state's economy is likewise in the toilet.

[maryrose]

Marlene:
What name will the new government land have.?

[maryrose]

Captain
Clinton did the same thing out west in Utah and Colorado
My husband likes land to stay undeveloped.

[Captain Hate]

The land Slick confiscated contains a lot of low sulfur coal iirc which then became off limit for extraction. Plus there's the state's rights issue which always gets short shrift by the black robed tyrants.

[rse]

CH-there is a well-known atl family going back generations where the dad died at the lake place. Matriarch didn't want to deal with the sheriffs' department in that county so she had deceased put in passenger seat of car. By the time they got to atlanta rigor mortis had set in...

I think this may be the origination of the phrase "more money than sense."

[Captain Hate]

My husband likes land to stay undeveloped.

What about the people who live there who somehow have to make a living? Poverty is very picturesque; I've said that often while driving through the western parts of Maine.

[Miss Marple 2]

maryrose,

Undeveloped land is beautiful, but people have to live somewhere, and peole need jobs.

Tying land up like that can hamper a state's economy.

I am ambivalent about it. When we moved here we had a woods and creek behind our property.

About 15 years ago a huge Meijer store went in, after we fought with the city(city limits is on our back fence line) and the upshot of all of our efforts was we did get a large privacy fence and trees. But instead of the woods I can see the large building in the winter, when the trees have lost their leaves.

I also ended up with a shoplifter arrested at gunpoint in my back yard.

[jimmyk]

rse, that reminds me of "As I Lay Dying."

[Jack is Back!]

Well, since I am the closest to Soros than anyone on this board I can tell you he will be my new hood ornament if he or his doofus son tries to cross the street. He used to live on Old Town road down where it turns and becomes Gin Lane. One summer he got cited for water wastage because he has his sprinklers watering the road instead of his hedges and lawn.

He is no longer in the Blue Book. I think that was for security reasons.

[Marlene]

maryrose,I'm not sure of the name,"North Woods" has been used as a description. This will become federal land,so the infrastructure will have to be built. There are no roads to access the land. Baxter State Park is strictly governed by the Baxter State Park Authority. This tract of land is east of Baxter.
Fun fact...earlier this year, Acadia had a maintenance backlog of $68M.
Another issue is that these small towns aren't prepared for hordes of tourists. It will bring in a niche group of people who want to be in the middle of nowhere and will bring in their gear for hiking and camping. They won't be at the t-shirt stores of restaurants,they will be in the woods.

[Buckeye]

We're counting on you Jack.

Happy hood ornament hunting:)

[Marlene]

*or restaurants*

[Captain Hate]

rse, that strikes me as the type of behavior that will attract more attention than the ditzy crone wanted.

[Man Tran]

5.56 denomination

Equal opportunity denominations: 5.56, 9mm, .22, .357mag, .44mag, .45. ;)

[clarice]

http://www.wsj.com/articles/if-trump-loses-can-the-gop-survive-1471975306

Can the party survive its disloyalty to Trump?