it's Dreadful vs. Awful, Take One. I can't imagine either candidate changing my mind but there are plenty of undecideds out there to be swayed. Over to Nate Silver, who is taking flak for exposing ardent progressives to the notion that the nation just isn't that into Hillary:
Not all 2-point leads are created equal, and Clinton’s is on the less-safe side, certainly as compared with the roughly 2-point lead that President Obama had over Mitt Romney on the eve of the 2012 election.
Perhaps the most important reason for that is the higher-than-usual number of undecided and third-party voters. Clinton leads Trump roughly 42-40, based on our national polling average; late in the 2012 race, by contrast, Obama led Romney about 48-46. That means about 18 percent of the electorate isn’t yet committed to one of the major-party candidates, as compared with 6 percent late in 2012.1 The number of undecided and third-party voters has a strong historical correlation with both polling volatility and polling error — and in fact, the polls have been considerably more volatile this year than in 2012.
My debate home!
Posted by: Pagar a bacon, ham and sausage supporter | September 26, 2016 at 08:24 PM
Goody!
Posted by: BeenThereDoneThat | September 26, 2016 at 08:26 PM
I already voted. (Yawn.) When's the Football Game start?
Posted by: daddy on iPad on the Library run | September 26, 2016 at 08:27 PM
Indecision. Yeah, that's definitely not it. :)
Posted by: Porchlight | September 26, 2016 at 08:27 PM
Have beer, will observe for a while before relying on notes here.
Posted by: henry the deplorable | September 26, 2016 at 08:29 PM
No yawning allowed, daddy - we need you primed up for pithy comments!
Posted by: BeenThereDoneThat | September 26, 2016 at 08:31 PM
Reddit Gazette, Og!
Posted by: Dinah blow your horn. | September 26, 2016 at 08:32 PM
I won't be watching, but I'll hover around and for those who are watching:
Freedom from contamination by association :)
Posted by: BR | September 26, 2016 at 08:32 PM
Apparently "Godzilla - King of Monsters" is not the debate. I though it was MSM speak for Trump... need more beer and my remote.
Posted by: henry the deplorable | September 26, 2016 at 08:33 PM
I'm yawning already, hope Trump is fired up. Hume and BOR are putting me to sleep
Posted by: Buckeye | September 26, 2016 at 08:34 PM
I will check in from time to time. There is one candidate who is dreadful and awful. On the other hand, I happen to like Trump a lot so will follow the debate on his web site and comment here from time to time.
Lots of internet sites are loading slow tonight, so I imagine everyone and his brother is watching.
I know that there are large numbers in Britain, Australia, and many countries in Europe watching.
Posted by: Miss Marple 2, Deplorable and Proud of it | September 26, 2016 at 08:35 PM
Fact-Checking: Hillary’s 'The FBI Has Exonerated Me' Claim
BY ANDREW C. MCCARTHY SEPTEMBER 26, 2016
I recall transcribing George Wiils exact phrase that "if the FBI did not recommend her for indictment she could claim
With some justification that she was innocent."
It was Bulls*** then and it's still Bulls*** George.
Posted by: daddy on iPad on Taco Bell drive through | September 26, 2016 at 08:35 PM
However, at least half of that 18% is committed to Stein or Johnson, so the nation isn't so uncommitted as may seem.
I still believe there are more turning from Hillary than from Trump.
It took no commitment to prefer Hillary, but it always has to prefer Trump.
Posted by: Second Law of Voterdynamics. | September 26, 2016 at 08:36 PM
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/trump-reaches-292-electoral-votes-in-new-tracking-poll/article/2602872?custom_click=rss
Posted by: Miss Marple 2, Deplorable and Proud of it | September 26, 2016 at 08:36 PM
Drink!!
Oh. Sorry. Just getting ready...
Posted by: Beasts of England | September 26, 2016 at 08:37 PM
FIRST!!!!
Posted by: GUS | September 26, 2016 at 08:38 PM
I'm way ahead of you Beasts.
Posted by: henry the deplorable | September 26, 2016 at 08:38 PM
I'll be on the dog walk with the headsets BTDT. Sorry.
Posted by: daddy on iPad on Taco Bell drive through | September 26, 2016 at 08:39 PM
You're a pro, henry. :)
Posted by: Beasts of England | September 26, 2016 at 08:39 PM
Did clot waddle out of the rear doors of the van? B. Dicker exited the side doors then they cut away. Her face looked terrible. Something like fuzzy slippers on her feet! What an entrance.
Posted by: Skoot | September 26, 2016 at 08:43 PM
I would think most of those preferring Hillary are already in her corner, ergo, more of the undecideds will eventually trend toward DJT.
Posted by: Beasts of England | September 26, 2016 at 08:44 PM
They have to time the meds Skoot.
Posted by: henry the deplorable | September 26, 2016 at 08:44 PM
Saints up 7-0 but Falcons on the move.
Just back from Meet the Teacher night after the wake for my neighbor.
Beasts, she was up until Sunday, the oldest living member of Shinnecock Hills Golf Club. Went to school with my dad.
Posted by: Jim Eagle | September 26, 2016 at 08:47 PM
Hofstra University placed a 'Trigger Warning' placard outside of the debate hall, specifically regarding sexual violence, sexual assault and abuse. Wow.
Posted by: Beasts of England | September 26, 2016 at 08:48 PM
Dang, JiB - that's impressive! Didn't know they had female members. Also impressive. :)
Posted by: Beasts of England | September 26, 2016 at 08:50 PM
I'm drinking a fine Trump merlot... 😎
Posted by: lyle | September 26, 2016 at 08:50 PM
they get no respect and deserve none,
http://www.weaselzippers.us/297799-hofstra-university-charging-reporters-200-for-wifi-access-personal-wifi-hotspots-are-banned/
Posted by: the deplorable buccaneer morgan | September 26, 2016 at 08:50 PM
It's yuge.
Posted by: lyle | September 26, 2016 at 08:51 PM
They conveniently had her get out of the van on the side hidden from the camera. Looking tired and glum already. Red power suit and what looked like red lipstick. Lots of makeup.
Posted by: Porchlight | September 26, 2016 at 08:51 PM
TM
Thank you for the new thread!
Posted by: maryrose | September 26, 2016 at 08:51 PM
Saints brain fart on punt return leads to fumble and Falcons TD.
7-7. Understand they are bringing the debate on the big TV at the superdome if the Saints don't score next possession.
Posted by: Jim Eagle | September 26, 2016 at 08:52 PM
Porch:
She got a new coif which is supposed to make her look younger.
My dream scenario is she starts to take a header, faints and Trump catches her.
I know, I have become evil.
Posted by: maryrose | September 26, 2016 at 08:53 PM
Porch: Isn't is past Hillary's bedtime?
Posted by: Totally Deplorable Centralcal | September 26, 2016 at 08:54 PM
And next is a tribute to modern pharmacology. The Clinton cocktail is not FDA approved... don't med to these levels at home.
Posted by: henry the deplorable | September 26, 2016 at 08:55 PM
She had a final mock debate this morning! Then naptime.
Posted by: Porchlight | September 26, 2016 at 08:57 PM
nor do this without consulting a physician and signing a release,
http://www.redstate.com/brandon_morse/2016/09/26/right-evan-mcmullin-might-last-valid-candidate-running-president/
Posted by: the deplorable buccaneer morgan | September 26, 2016 at 08:58 PM
Beasts,
Shinnecock first to have women when it opened in 1894. Always women, women's day and Ladies championship since the same date. All the other USGA original clubs were way behind. My mom was a clubhouse member since she didn't play golf but bridge and lunch:)
Posted by: Jim Eagle | September 26, 2016 at 08:59 PM
Hey CC !
Posted by: maryrose | September 26, 2016 at 08:59 PM
Just wondering how much of a cluster f*** this will be.
Any bets on when Hillary will have a seizure or when Trump goes off on a rant?
Posted by: fdcol63 | September 26, 2016 at 08:59 PM
hey br how have you been?
Posted by: the deplorable buccaneer morgan | September 26, 2016 at 09:01 PM
Megan is speaking in golf-commentator voice.
Posted by: PD | September 26, 2016 at 09:02 PM
I no longer care if Hilligula has a seizure, as long as Shemp has one. When do these idiots shut up?
Posted by: henry the deplorable | September 26, 2016 at 09:02 PM
watching on CSpan to keep the idiocy to a minimum
Posted by: peter | September 26, 2016 at 09:03 PM
Bret is modulating down to match.
Posted by: PD | September 26, 2016 at 09:03 PM
Classical music playing on live stream. Am I missing something?
Posted by: Deplorable Robin, aka Highland Pepe | September 26, 2016 at 09:03 PM
Maybe Megan will have a seizure.
Posted by: fdcol63 | September 26, 2016 at 09:04 PM
Late start as usual for Hillary. Not ready for prime time.
There was a murder in Hempstead today. Woman caught in a cross fire sitting in her car. Little Chicago hosts a debate, heh!
Posted by: Jim Eagle | September 26, 2016 at 09:04 PM
Power Red.
"How are you Donald:)"
Posted by: Jim Eagle | September 26, 2016 at 09:05 PM
Very nice, JiB!!
Posted by: Beasts of England | September 26, 2016 at 09:06 PM
Wow, Trump shakes Ill Hill's hand *and* puts his hand on her back. An obvious attempt to assert male dominance.
Posted by: PD | September 26, 2016 at 09:06 PM
Brutal blinking.
Posted by: henry the deplorable | September 26, 2016 at 09:06 PM
Record economic growth? What planet is Lester on?
Posted by: fdcol63 | September 26, 2016 at 09:07 PM
Granddaughter - drink!!
Posted by: Beasts of England | September 26, 2016 at 09:07 PM
I read a persuasive article today saying less than 1% of likely voteres were undecided, and the debate--despite the hype--is unlikely to substantially change the vote.
Posted by: clarice | September 26, 2016 at 09:07 PM
I'm a grandma. Well guess what, so is Donald.
I have plan which means more income redistribution.
Posted by: Jim Eagle | September 26, 2016 at 09:07 PM
lester puts a spin on the ball, from the get go,
Posted by: the deplorable buccaneer morgan | September 26, 2016 at 09:07 PM
Forced profit sharing? Do we get forced loss sharing too?
Posted by: henry the deplorable | September 26, 2016 at 09:08 PM
make up applied with a trowel and there's that eye thing already.
Posted by: peter | September 26, 2016 at 09:08 PM
In the same class as Pelosi Blinking?
Posted by: PD | September 26, 2016 at 09:08 PM
...grandparent....
Condenscending, to Donald.
Posted by: Jim Eagle | September 26, 2016 at 09:08 PM
ceta alpha 6
Posted by: the deplorable buccaneer morgan | September 26, 2016 at 09:08 PM
Donald already sounds more confident and more real--after half a sentence.
Posted by: peter | September 26, 2016 at 09:08 PM
She looks awful. Helmet hair, lipstick too red for the color of her outfit, and that is unflattering to her complexion.
Way too much pancake.
Posted by: anonamom; formerly adorable, now deplorable | September 26, 2016 at 09:09 PM
Whoops, Trump forgot to thank the people putting on the debate, Holt, and Hillary at the beginning of his opening remarks.
Posted by: PD | September 26, 2016 at 09:09 PM
Exactly, henry...
Posted by: Beasts of England | September 26, 2016 at 09:10 PM
Why thank these pricks?
Posted by: Threadkiller | September 26, 2016 at 09:11 PM
Heh, five o'clock eyeshadow.
Posted by: It's 1960 again. | September 26, 2016 at 09:11 PM
memorized catch phrases already starting to spill out.
Posted by: peter | September 26, 2016 at 09:11 PM
Does her eye look weird or do I need more wine?
Posted by: Marlene | September 26, 2016 at 09:12 PM
He should call America "Hillary Hell" if she gets elected.
Posted by: fdcol63 | September 26, 2016 at 09:12 PM
Her father was a squeegee guy? She's babbling.
Posted by: henry the deplorable | September 26, 2016 at 09:12 PM
Is she wearing one of those drapery fabrics tonight?
Posted by: Jim Eagle | September 26, 2016 at 09:12 PM
both, Marlene
Posted by: peter | September 26, 2016 at 09:12 PM
She has overdone the make-up. Probably overdone the debate prep,too. (Has she overdone the meds...we will see.)
Posted by: Deplorable Momto2 | September 26, 2016 at 09:12 PM
Greetings Maryrose!!!
Posted by: Totally Deplorable Centralcal | September 26, 2016 at 09:13 PM
didn't he own some kind of mill?
Posted by: the deplorable buccaneer morgan | September 26, 2016 at 09:13 PM
I want you to be very happy!
Posted by: peter | September 26, 2016 at 09:14 PM
Lester leaps in.
Posted by: peter | September 26, 2016 at 09:14 PM
Lester makes his first interruption.
Lets keep a tally.
Posted by: daddy "TinnySaiSai Tuck" | September 26, 2016 at 09:15 PM
I lasted through 11 minutes. Yay me!
Posted by: Buford Gooch | September 26, 2016 at 09:15 PM
What's up with his sniffling?
Posted by: Beasts of England | September 26, 2016 at 09:15 PM
sardonic smirk--careful, the makeup might crack
Posted by: peter | September 26, 2016 at 09:15 PM
Ok, she's been told to provoke.
Posted by: peter | September 26, 2016 at 09:16 PM
Grilling some Trump steaks. Beautiful. I made the Mexican lawn guys pay for them. They were happy to do so.
Posted by: lyle | September 26, 2016 at 09:16 PM
Oh.... taxes were too low in 2007. All those Dems in Fanny & Freddy had nothing to do with it.
Posted by: henry the deplorable | September 26, 2016 at 09:16 PM
If only Trump could explain that it was Bill Clinton's HUD that caused the financial meltdown in the first place.
Posted by: peter | September 26, 2016 at 09:16 PM
She's getting louder by the second.
Posted by: henry the deplorable | September 26, 2016 at 09:17 PM
More Solyndras! Yay!
Posted by: fdcol63 | September 26, 2016 at 09:18 PM
Clean Energy for those who don't mind not having TV or washing machines when they want them.
Posted by: Jim Eagle | September 26, 2016 at 09:18 PM
Actually, I think she's doing well--lying thru her ass but still.
Posted by: clarice | September 26, 2016 at 09:18 PM
clean energy superpower of the 21st century--is that Spain?
Posted by: peter | September 26, 2016 at 09:18 PM
and the justice department's nudge to the banks, all of whom have maxed for red queen,
Posted by: the deplorable buccaneer morgan | September 26, 2016 at 09:18 PM
He has had that sniff fpr as long as I can remember. They have figured out how to amplify it.
Posted by: Threadkiller | September 26, 2016 at 09:18 PM
Enough solar panels to power every home? Unpossible.
Posted by: Beasts of England | September 26, 2016 at 09:18 PM
Why thank these pricks?
Because it's polite and you sound like you don't realize it's an honor to be here?
It rarely the wrong thing to begin by being considerate.
Posted by: PD | September 26, 2016 at 09:18 PM
Listening on the radio. She sounds pretty good at the start. Very well practiced answers. Just saying. I don't believe what she is saying. Momma keeps interupting so I'm am missing his replies.
Posted by: daddy "TinnySaiSai Tuck" | September 26, 2016 at 09:19 PM
Trump is the Dilbert POTUS candidate because of his language. Simple plain words that resonate with Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania. She is very Ivy League, he is joe sixpack.
Posted by: Jim Eagle | September 26, 2016 at 09:19 PM
I think she is getting answers from her earrings
Posted by: Threadkiller | September 26, 2016 at 09:19 PM
I think my husband did a pretty good job in the 1990s
Posted by: peter | September 26, 2016 at 09:20 PM
Smug is not a good look on her
Posted by: henry the deplorable | September 26, 2016 at 09:20 PM